Dubai seems to be a perfect example of how a place can still flourish, even with over 80% of the inhabitants being foreign.
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You obviously know little about Dubai & its rulers or its workforce do you??

Most of the "workers" are brought in from the Indian sub-continent & are virtual slaves, who have their passports taken off them when they arrive & are then housed in horrendous conditions & forced to work 12 hour days for a pittance.

Thats how they can flourish

comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 4 minutes ago
Dubai seems to be a perfect example of how a place can still flourish, even with over 80% of the inhabitants being foreign.
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That because literally all the foreigners in dubai have a chit load of money. You wouldnt get anywhere in dubai with £5 to your name.
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Even the migrant workers who built the damn place...?

comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 4 minutes ago
Dubai seems to be a perfect example of how a place can still flourish, even with over 80% of the inhabitants being foreign.
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That because literally all the foreigners in dubai have a chit load of money. You wouldnt get anywhere in dubai with £5 to your name.
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No they don't.

It has it's poor, working class and middle class areas as well.

I know a lot of people who work there doing normal jobs, how would the place survive if everybody was a CEO?

comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 27 seconds ago
Just reading on the BBC "Vote Leave say young people will find it harder to get on the housing ladder if UK stays in EU"
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So does this mean that after we leave the EU it will be easier for young people to get on the housing ladder? OR is this just some of the very same scaremongering tactics that the leave group are accusing the remain group of using?

I would suggest it is the latter and so is to be taken as seriously as the idea that leaving will stop immigration.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 7 minutes ago
Just reading on the BBC "Vote Leave say young people will find it harder to get on the housing ladder if UK stays in EU"

So how is the EU stopping the UK government from building more houses? Maybe don't invest in war and instead invest the money into the nation?
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We invest in defence of the nation and global security, not war. (At least until the EU get their own army).

Genius Greaves

I think (from the overwhelming information) the financial debate is dead as a Dodo. Which is why the leave campaign are now focusing attention to immigration.

Brexit (to date) have been unable to provide any details of their planned (financial) exit strategy – forecasts for the first year, second year etc etc.

In short, from a financial perspective, it’s at best a complete jump in the dark, or at worst, as most economists/bodies/governments have predicted, the wrong decision.
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I agree that it is not as clear cut as it should be & I would also agree that it is more a leap into the unknown rather than a leap in the dark.

However, so is remaining very much a leap of faith. We know that their is a massive groundswell of opinion within the EU corridors for a Federal State & a Federal army, which if we remain we will be powerless to prevent.

Those who say we can influence opinion in the EU, are wrong. We have little influence in what happens because we are only ONE vote against 26 votes.

Also if we remain, we will be seen as weak and certain countries will jump on that quickly.

comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 27 seconds ago
Just reading on the BBC "Vote Leave say young people will find it harder to get on the housing ladder if UK stays in EU"
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So does this mean that after we leave the EU it will be easier for young people to get on the housing ladder? OR is this just some of the very same scaremongering tactics that the leave group are accusing the remain group of using?

I would suggest it is the latter and so is to be taken as seriously as the idea that leaving will stop immigration.
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Which part of the OUT argument hasn't been scaremongering? The campaign is driven by right wingers and hardline right wingers, it's there speciality.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 19 minutes ago
Dubai seems to be a perfect example of how a place can still flourish, even with over 80% of the inhabitants being foreign.


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Yet millions would still rather come to Europe?

comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 27 seconds ago
Just reading on the BBC "Vote Leave say young people will find it harder to get on the housing ladder if UK stays in EU"
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So does this mean that after we leave the EU it will be easier for young people to get on the housing ladder? OR is this just some of the very same scaremongering tactics that the leave group are accusing the remain group of using?

I would suggest it is the latter and so is to be taken as seriously as the idea that leaving will stop immigration.
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Which part of the OUT argument hasn't been scaremongering? The campaign is driven by right wingers and hardline right wingers, it's there speciality.
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Which part of the In campaign hasn't been scaremongering WW3,Financial armageddon,Zombies walking the streets.

Which part of the OUT argument hasn't been scaremongering? The campaign is driven by right wingers and hardline right wingers, it's there speciality.
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Unfortunately both camps have been using scare tactics. How you can differentiate between them in terms of right wing leanings I am not sure.

However is it right wing to want to determine your own countries laws through our own elected Parliament??

I think it is more right wing & undemocratic to allow unelected officials to set laws that in essence take precedence over our own courts and legal standing.

comment by SirCastic (U8772)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 7 minutes ago
Just reading on the BBC "Vote Leave say young people will find it harder to get on the housing ladder if UK stays in EU"

So how is the EU stopping the UK government from building more houses? Maybe don't invest in war and instead invest the money into the nation?
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We invest in defence of the nation and global security, not war. (At least until the EU get their own army).
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No we invest in war.

Sovereign nations like Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya didn't pose a threat to the UK especially with Saddam and Gaddafi in charge who kept extremists in check.

As for protecting people, we have managed to wipe out millions of people in the Arab world just in the last decade and billions worth of infrastructure which will kill even more.

Oh and don't forget about the uranium tipped missiles we used in Iraq which are causing birth defects.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/oct/13/world-health-organisation-iraq-war-depleted-uranium

Nobody wants us to 'protect' them, so spend the money on housing, the NHS and the poor so people can stop using food banks in what is supposed to be an advanced country.

Genius Greaves

Despite assurances from remain that the EU is some sort of utopia, when it clearly is riddled with issues, I agree there are many issues which need to be addressed.

However like any negotiation process, being part of the diplomatic process will inevitably strengthen argument(s).

The real shame is that the whole debate (from both sides) has been littered with lies, and mis-information. And I suspect many will be swayed to vote (either way) based on inaccurate propaganda.

The same economic experts' that want us to remain in the EU aldo wanted the UK to join the Euro... I guess that's why they're experts, they're always right hey?

comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 19 minutes ago
Dubai seems to be a perfect example of how a place can still flourish, even with over 80% of the inhabitants being foreign.


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Yet millions would still rather come to Europe?
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Yup, Europe has a debt to pay for taking away peoples homes in other parts of the globe via ballistic missile.

comment by Genius Greaves is 100% behind Poch & The Belgian Revolution! (U1302)
posted 2 minutes ago
Which part of the OUT argument hasn't been scaremongering? The campaign is driven by right wingers and hardline right wingers, it's there speciality.
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Unfortunately both camps have been using scare tactics. How you can differentiate between them in terms of right wing leanings I am not sure.

However is it right wing to want to determine your own countries laws through our own elected Parliament??

I think it is more right wing & undemocratic to allow unelected officials to set laws that in essence take precedence over our own courts and legal standing.
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I'd rather have open borders, I find pathetic and embarrassing that a human being can be illegal on planet earth.

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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Genius Greaves is 100% behind Poch & The Belgian Revolution! (U1302)
posted 2 minutes ago
Which part of the OUT argument hasn't been scaremongering? The campaign is driven by right wingers and hardline right wingers, it's there speciality.
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Unfortunately both camps have been using scare tactics. How you can differentiate between them in terms of right wing leanings I am not sure.

However is it right wing to want to determine your own countries laws through our own elected Parliament??

I think it is more right wing & undemocratic to allow unelected officials to set laws that in essence take precedence over our own courts and legal standing.
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I'd rather have open borders, I find pathetic and embarrassing that a human being can be illegal on planet earth.
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Erm, really? You don't think that's taken it slightly too far?

On a more local scale, that's like having a permanent open-door policy at your house.

comment by Viva Vela (U17571)
posted 3 minutes ago
The same economic experts' that want us to remain in the EU aldo wanted the UK to join the Euro... I guess that's why they're experts, they're always right hey?
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This is untrue.

The Euro debate was largely split. Forecasts were extremely varied. The EU debate is overwhelmingly in favour of remaining.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Genius Greaves is 100% behind Poch & The Belgian Revolution! (U1302)
posted 2 minutes ago
Which part of the OUT argument hasn't been scaremongering? The campaign is driven by right wingers and hardline right wingers, it's there speciality.
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Unfortunately both camps have been using scare tactics. How you can differentiate between them in terms of right wing leanings I am not sure.

However is it right wing to want to determine your own countries laws through our own elected Parliament??

I think it is more right wing & undemocratic to allow unelected officials to set laws that in essence take precedence over our own courts and legal standing.
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I'd rather have open borders, I find pathetic and embarrassing that a human being can be illegal on planet earth.
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Open the border to the whole world, let's see how the UK becomes over popularised, no houses at all, a crash in the NHS etc etc etc... It's all well and good 'we're all humans, let's all live together', but it doesn't actually work like that

comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Genius Greaves is 100% behind Poch & The Belgian Revolution! (U1302)
posted 2 minutes ago
Which part of the OUT argument hasn't been scaremongering? The campaign is driven by right wingers and hardline right wingers, it's there speciality.
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Unfortunately both camps have been using scare tactics. How you can differentiate between them in terms of right wing leanings I am not sure.

However is it right wing to want to determine your own countries laws through our own elected Parliament??

I think it is more right wing & undemocratic to allow unelected officials to set laws that in essence take precedence over our own courts and legal standing.
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I'd rather have open borders, I find pathetic and embarrassing that a human being can be illegal on planet earth.
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Erm, really? You don't think that's taken it slightly too far?

On a more local scale, that's like having a permanent open-door policy at your house.
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You don't agree it's ridiculous that a person born on this planet can be considered illegal for stepping on another bit of soil somewhere else?

the elephant in the room is turkey

if they join the EU it's game over....they know it so they've opened their borders to the terrorists to put pressure on europe and force their hand.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Genius Greaves is 100% behind Poch & The Belgian Revolution! (U1302)
posted 2 minutes ago
Which part of the OUT argument hasn't been scaremongering? The campaign is driven by right wingers and hardline right wingers, it's there speciality.
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Unfortunately both camps have been using scare tactics. How you can differentiate between them in terms of right wing leanings I am not sure.

However is it right wing to want to determine your own countries laws through our own elected Parliament??

I think it is more right wing & undemocratic to allow unelected officials to set laws that in essence take precedence over our own courts and legal standing.
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I'd rather have open borders, I find pathetic and embarrassing that a human being can be illegal on planet earth.
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Erm, really? You don't think that's taken it slightly too far?

On a more local scale, that's like having a permanent open-door policy at your house.
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You don't agree it's ridiculous that a person born on this planet can be considered illegal for stepping on another bit of soil somewhere else?
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There goes people's theories off Jewish illegal settlers.

You don't agree it's ridiculous that a person born on this planet can be considered illegal for stepping on another bit of soil somewhere else?
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I take it I can come into your house whenever I want?

comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Genius Greaves is 100% behind Poch & The Belgian Revolution! (U1302)
posted 2 minutes ago
Which part of the OUT argument hasn't been scaremongering? The campaign is driven by right wingers and hardline right wingers, it's there speciality.
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Unfortunately both camps have been using scare tactics. How you can differentiate between them in terms of right wing leanings I am not sure.

However is it right wing to want to determine your own countries laws through our own elected Parliament??

I think it is more right wing & undemocratic to allow unelected officials to set laws that in essence take precedence over our own courts and legal standing.
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I'd rather have open borders, I find pathetic and embarrassing that a human being can be illegal on planet earth.
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Erm, really? You don't think that's taken it slightly too far?

On a more local scale, that's like having a permanent open-door policy at your house.
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You don't agree it's ridiculous that a person born on this planet can be considered illegal for stepping on another bit of soil somewhere else?
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You don't agree that someone born in your town can be considered trespassing for stepping in your house?

comment by Viva Vela (U17571)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Genius Greaves is 100% behind Poch & The Belgian Revolution! (U1302)
posted 2 minutes ago
Which part of the OUT argument hasn't been scaremongering? The campaign is driven by right wingers and hardline right wingers, it's there speciality.
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Unfortunately both camps have been using scare tactics. How you can differentiate between them in terms of right wing leanings I am not sure.

However is it right wing to want to determine your own countries laws through our own elected Parliament??

I think it is more right wing & undemocratic to allow unelected officials to set laws that in essence take precedence over our own courts and legal standing.
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I'd rather have open borders, I find pathetic and embarrassing that a human being can be illegal on planet earth.
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Open the border to the whole world, let's see how the UK becomes over popularised, no houses at all, a crash in the NHS etc etc etc... It's all well and good 'we're all humans, let's all live together', but it doesn't actually work like that
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How are the Brexit (immigration) assurances going be turned into legislation, given that Ukip are a million miles away from Government?