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lol at King being better than Campbell. His injuries probably only enhanced his reputation rather than hinder it. Good player. One of the best. All the hyperbole isn't necessary .
I'm a big fan of Alderweireld. He's one of the league's best for sure. Whether he is THE best is up for debate. I'd say he's the best in the sweeping role mopping up as the last man. Some are better at winning the ball.
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lol at King being better than Campbell. His injuries probably only enhanced his reputation rather than hinder it. Good player. One of the best. All the hyperbole isn't necessary .
I'm a big fan of Alderweireld. He's one of the league's best for sure. Whether he is THE best is up for debate. I'd say he's the best in the sweeping role mopping up as the last man. Some are better at winning the ball.
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As I said previously, ones opinion on whose 'best' out of King and Campbell is all subjective, but putting 'hyperbole' aside, this is Thierry Henry's verdict: ""I don't like defenders who hold the shirts of other players. The only defender here who doesn't do that and sometimes still gets the ball off my feet easily is Ledley King.
"He is the only guy who doesn't hold players. He will get the ball off you without you even noticing. For me, that is a good defender.
"He plays without any contact yet is somehow still strong and gets the ball without doing any fouls."
Are people seriously saying Ledley King was better than Sol Campbell?
Campbell was the best CB in the world for several years. He was the solo cover star on the UK version of FIFA 2000 (the only defender ever to have a solo cover), the first £100K p/w PL footballer, stronger than Rio and faster than Terry.... an Invincible.
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Not sure what being a "cleaner" player has to do with being better. Ledley King was a more "elegant" defender than Campbell. That has squat to do with ability and effectiveness. I'd trust Campbell against the Drogbas of this world far more than I'd trust Ledley King. I rated the lad highly, but the way Spurs fans go on about him is pretty absurd.
I remember once having a King vs Terry argument on the Spurs board and what amused me wasn't just the fact they thought King was better, but they considered it some kind of insult to compare both players.
Are people seriously saying Ledley King was better than Sol Campbell?
Campbell was the best CB in the world for several years. He was the solo cover star on the UK version of FIFA 2000 (the only defender ever to have a solo cover), the first £100K p/w PL footballer, stronger than Rio and faster than Terry.... an Invincible.
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Not sure what being a "cleaner" player has to do with being better. Ledley King was a more "elegant" defender than Campbell. That has squat to do with ability and effectiveness. I'd trust Campbell against the Drogbas of this world far more than I'd trust Ledley King. I rated the lad highly, but the way Spurs fans go on about him is pretty absurd.
I remember once having a King vs Terry argument on the Spurs board and what amused me wasn't just the fact they thought King was better, but they considered it some kind of insult to compare both players.
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You are perfectly entitled to your opinion that Campbell was a more effective defender, I don't necessarily agree with it, but there really isn't that much between them although I maintain that King was the better 'footballer' in terms of ball control and distribution. With the best will in the world, I don't think Spurs and Arsenal fans are ever going to agree on this one.
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Campbell was not even a central defender, he started off as a forward, but was fecking useless there as well. He was just a big agricultural lump. In my sixty years of supporting Spurs, I have seen at least a dozen central defenders that were head and shoulders above Campbell.
Campbell vs king
Heading: C
One on one defending on the ground : C
Defensive positioning: K
Anticipation: K
Passing: K
Pace: equal
But most spurs fans saw a lot of both and know King was better - no question for me - with him in the team thought we always stood a chance. Campbell had an occasional mistake in him and relied a lot on his speed/strength. He didn't have the technique to help the team play the way King did.
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Henry said King was the best he ever played against also.
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He said he was the best defender he ever played against because he didn't need to foul him to win the ball
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That may be true and I can understand it. Different strikers will find it difficult against certain types of defenders. Certainly King was suited to playing against Henry as he had the pace to keep up with him, with a bit of a head start, hence not needing to foul him.
In contrast Henry said Carragher was one of the best he came up against but that would be in a different way as Carragher had to be smarter as he didn't have the pace and certainly fouling was part of that.
I'm not for a moment saying when King was fit, he was a very good player but Campbell was much better, fitter and had a much better career.
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Of course this is all subjective and down to what attributes you most admire in a player. Both were extremely good and even the most one-eyed Spurs fan will admit that Campbell was top notch...that's why we were so disappointed by his attitude in deciding to run down his contract and join our bitter rivals on a free...I can't think of a more offensive and insulting way to treat your former fans.
But although it's a matter of personal opinion as to who was best as a defender, King was the better 'footballer'. He was more comfortable on the ball than Campbell and a better distributor. Campbell couldn't have played in midfield at international level as King did on a number of occasions. There were a number of premiership midfielders who weren't as good as King was in midfield!
In some ways King reminded me of Bobby Moore...even when his knees had disintegrated and he couldn't train at all between games, he could read the game so well, he would always make the telling tackle or interception.
You prefer Campbell as a defender and that's a perfectly valid position to take...but to state that he's 'much better' is really over-egging the pudding. Campbell, as good as he was, was one-dimensional compared to King.
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Fair enough. However I once watched Campbell run from his own box for England nearly into the opposition box. I thought he was going to eclipse Maradona's goal the way he was gliding past players. I'm sure it was the World Cup or something but I can't find any video of it anywhere.
I do believe he was much better and he proved it throughout his career. Spurs fans seem to rate King on what could have been rather than what was, which is how everybody else rates him.
As a neutral and I've posted this before, Ledly King and I'll include John Terry are two of the best CB's I've seen in 40 years of watching football.
Injury free, Ledley would be have been one off the best ever.
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But most spurs fans saw a lot of both and know King was better - no question for me - with him in the team thought we always stood a chance. Campbell had an occasional mistake in him and relied a lot on his speed/strength. He didn't have the technique to help the team play the way King did.
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They're Spurs fans. What do you expect? A few seasons ago, many of them claimed RVP was the only Arsenal player that could make their team. Ledley King had tons of mistakes too. He gets less scrutiny cos he didn't face the pressure situations at the highest level players like Campbell or Terry would get for club and country. He was in a comfort zone where Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal could all smash Spurs and no one gives a fack. Campbell wasn't. A lot of people here are confusing elegance for ability. There's fack all King could do Campbell couldn't. Campbell was very good at bringing the ball out of defence. He was more physically imposing and better in the air and a big game player.
I don't care too much what King could have become if not fir injuries. Wilshere went from making the team of the season at 19 to having a nightmare run of injuries, spenfing the equivalent of almost 4 seasons worth of football in the treatment room. It doesn't stop those who love to ridicule how overrated he is.
Campbell was not even a central defender, he started off as a forward, but was fecking useless there as well. He was just a big agricultural lump. In my sixty years of supporting Spurs, I have seen at least a dozen central defenders that were head and shoulders above Campbell.
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Yeah, that's why you have the grand total of 2 league titles for all those dozens of great defenders you have. Amazing achievement.
What does Campbell's youth position have to do with his ability as a defender, granddad? You going a bit senile?
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Wiltshire is ridiculously overrated though, you have to admit it? One decent game v Barca
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It's the ignorant stuff people come up with: one good game against Barca. Can't tell if it's deliberate trolling or they hear it from other trolls and assume it's true. Yeah, it makes sense 19-year-old Wilshere was our player of the season and made every team of the year PL list because of one decent game against Barca. Whatever rocks your boat.
I really rate Alderweirled, and, unpopular opinion time, actually prefer him to King.
Not necessarily as he is a better player, but he can give you 30+ games a season and I think his creativity from deep is exceptional.
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lol at King being better than Campbell. His injuries probably only enhanced his reputation rather than hinder it. Good player. One of the best. All the hyperbole isn't necessary .
I'm a big fan of Alderweireld. He's one of the league's best for sure. Whether he is THE best is up for debate. I'd say he's the best in the sweeping role mopping up as the last man. Some are better at winning the ball.
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lol at King being better than Campbell. His injuries probably only enhanced his reputation rather than hinder it. Good player. One of the best. All the hyperbole isn't necessary .
I'm a big fan of Alderweireld. He's one of the league's best for sure. Whether he is THE best is up for debate. I'd say he's the best in the sweeping role mopping up as the last man. Some are better at winning the ball.
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As I said previously, ones opinion on whose 'best' out of King and Campbell is all subjective, but putting 'hyperbole' aside, this is Thierry Henry's verdict: ""I don't like defenders who hold the shirts of other players. The only defender here who doesn't do that and sometimes still gets the ball off my feet easily is Ledley King.
"He is the only guy who doesn't hold players. He will get the ball off you without you even noticing. For me, that is a good defender.
"He plays without any contact yet is somehow still strong and gets the ball without doing any fouls."
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Are people seriously saying Ledley King was better than Sol Campbell?
Campbell was the best CB in the world for several years. He was the solo cover star on the UK version of FIFA 2000 (the only defender ever to have a solo cover), the first £100K p/w PL footballer, stronger than Rio and faster than Terry.... an Invincible.
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Not sure what being a "cleaner" player has to do with being better. Ledley King was a more "elegant" defender than Campbell. That has squat to do with ability and effectiveness. I'd trust Campbell against the Drogbas of this world far more than I'd trust Ledley King. I rated the lad highly, but the way Spurs fans go on about him is pretty absurd.
I remember once having a King vs Terry argument on the Spurs board and what amused me wasn't just the fact they thought King was better, but they considered it some kind of insult to compare both players.
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Are people seriously saying Ledley King was better than Sol Campbell?
Campbell was the best CB in the world for several years. He was the solo cover star on the UK version of FIFA 2000 (the only defender ever to have a solo cover), the first £100K p/w PL footballer, stronger than Rio and faster than Terry.... an Invincible.
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Not sure what being a "cleaner" player has to do with being better. Ledley King was a more "elegant" defender than Campbell. That has squat to do with ability and effectiveness. I'd trust Campbell against the Drogbas of this world far more than I'd trust Ledley King. I rated the lad highly, but the way Spurs fans go on about him is pretty absurd.
I remember once having a King vs Terry argument on the Spurs board and what amused me wasn't just the fact they thought King was better, but they considered it some kind of insult to compare both players.
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You are perfectly entitled to your opinion that Campbell was a more effective defender, I don't necessarily agree with it, but there really isn't that much between them although I maintain that King was the better 'footballer' in terms of ball control and distribution. With the best will in the world, I don't think Spurs and Arsenal fans are ever going to agree on this one.
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Campbell was not even a central defender, he started off as a forward, but was fecking useless there as well. He was just a big agricultural lump. In my sixty years of supporting Spurs, I have seen at least a dozen central defenders that were head and shoulders above Campbell.
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Campbell vs king
Heading: C
One on one defending on the ground : C
Defensive positioning: K
Anticipation: K
Passing: K
Pace: equal
But most spurs fans saw a lot of both and know King was better - no question for me - with him in the team thought we always stood a chance. Campbell had an occasional mistake in him and relied a lot on his speed/strength. He didn't have the technique to help the team play the way King did.
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Henry said King was the best he ever played against also.
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He said he was the best defender he ever played against because he didn't need to foul him to win the ball
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That may be true and I can understand it. Different strikers will find it difficult against certain types of defenders. Certainly King was suited to playing against Henry as he had the pace to keep up with him, with a bit of a head start, hence not needing to foul him.
In contrast Henry said Carragher was one of the best he came up against but that would be in a different way as Carragher had to be smarter as he didn't have the pace and certainly fouling was part of that.
I'm not for a moment saying when King was fit, he was a very good player but Campbell was much better, fitter and had a much better career.
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Of course this is all subjective and down to what attributes you most admire in a player. Both were extremely good and even the most one-eyed Spurs fan will admit that Campbell was top notch...that's why we were so disappointed by his attitude in deciding to run down his contract and join our bitter rivals on a free...I can't think of a more offensive and insulting way to treat your former fans.
But although it's a matter of personal opinion as to who was best as a defender, King was the better 'footballer'. He was more comfortable on the ball than Campbell and a better distributor. Campbell couldn't have played in midfield at international level as King did on a number of occasions. There were a number of premiership midfielders who weren't as good as King was in midfield!
In some ways King reminded me of Bobby Moore...even when his knees had disintegrated and he couldn't train at all between games, he could read the game so well, he would always make the telling tackle or interception.
You prefer Campbell as a defender and that's a perfectly valid position to take...but to state that he's 'much better' is really over-egging the pudding. Campbell, as good as he was, was one-dimensional compared to King.
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Fair enough. However I once watched Campbell run from his own box for England nearly into the opposition box. I thought he was going to eclipse Maradona's goal the way he was gliding past players. I'm sure it was the World Cup or something but I can't find any video of it anywhere.
I do believe he was much better and he proved it throughout his career. Spurs fans seem to rate King on what could have been rather than what was, which is how everybody else rates him.
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As a neutral and I've posted this before, Ledly King and I'll include John Terry are two of the best CB's I've seen in 40 years of watching football.
Injury free, Ledley would be have been one off the best ever.
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But most spurs fans saw a lot of both and know King was better - no question for me - with him in the team thought we always stood a chance. Campbell had an occasional mistake in him and relied a lot on his speed/strength. He didn't have the technique to help the team play the way King did.
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They're Spurs fans. What do you expect? A few seasons ago, many of them claimed RVP was the only Arsenal player that could make their team. Ledley King had tons of mistakes too. He gets less scrutiny cos he didn't face the pressure situations at the highest level players like Campbell or Terry would get for club and country. He was in a comfort zone where Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal could all smash Spurs and no one gives a fack. Campbell wasn't. A lot of people here are confusing elegance for ability. There's fack all King could do Campbell couldn't. Campbell was very good at bringing the ball out of defence. He was more physically imposing and better in the air and a big game player.
I don't care too much what King could have become if not fir injuries. Wilshere went from making the team of the season at 19 to having a nightmare run of injuries, spenfing the equivalent of almost 4 seasons worth of football in the treatment room. It doesn't stop those who love to ridicule how overrated he is.
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Campbell was not even a central defender, he started off as a forward, but was fecking useless there as well. He was just a big agricultural lump. In my sixty years of supporting Spurs, I have seen at least a dozen central defenders that were head and shoulders above Campbell.
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Yeah, that's why you have the grand total of 2 league titles for all those dozens of great defenders you have. Amazing achievement.
What does Campbell's youth position have to do with his ability as a defender, granddad? You going a bit senile?
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Wiltshire is ridiculously overrated though, you have to admit it? One decent game v Barca
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It's the ignorant stuff people come up with: one good game against Barca. Can't tell if it's deliberate trolling or they hear it from other trolls and assume it's true. Yeah, it makes sense 19-year-old Wilshere was our player of the season and made every team of the year PL list because of one decent game against Barca. Whatever rocks your boat.
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I really rate Alderweirled, and, unpopular opinion time, actually prefer him to King.
Not necessarily as he is a better player, but he can give you 30+ games a season and I think his creativity from deep is exceptional.
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