Some of you may argue Rooney.
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No they wouldn't.

Bet there is someone out there that would argue that. Some will think Rooney is world class and once your world class, you don't lose it.

I'd like to meet them. There certainly isn't anyone on here that would.

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But you're a wum.

England's problems?

1. Full of vastly overated champeign Charlie's.
2. Media overhype. The constant drone of how the premiership is the best in the world.
3. Crap grass route level.
4. Work ethic and physique over talent.
5. Rooney must be shoehorned in no matter what.
6. Youngsters not nearly as good as the media hype them to be.
7. Money.
8. Money.
9. Money.
10. Money.

I agree with grass route level. Got to build from the bottom if you want to be a success.

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Money has zero to do with why our players are chit and anyone saying it is is an idiot

comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 48 minutes ago
England's problems?

1. Full of vastly overated champeign Charlie's.
2. Media overhype. The constant drone of how the premiership is the best in the world.
3. Crap grass route level.
4. Work ethic and physique over talent.
5. Rooney must be shoehorned in no matter what.
6. Youngsters not nearly as good as the media hype them to be.
7. Money.
8. Money.
9. Money.
10. Money.
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Agreed

England's problems

1 - players
2- coaches

Rooney
Players are overhyped and overpaid from a young age
Poor technical ability
Poor decision making
Youth development is poor
Every team we play against looks to park the bus which exposes our players' lack of technique and poor decision making.

Money has zero to do with why our players are chit and anyone saying it is is an idiot

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All cyclical. Our spoilt little millionaires get all the adoration they need from the prem and its uber hypefest. They don't need to put in a shift for England, not these days. Money is the driver behind team selection, and team selection is the driver behind getting results. Results=money. Foreign ready made players cheaper than giving time to our (under coached) youngsters, and pressure too much to give many a chance. The game is to physical for the youngsters who (may have the bags of talent) may not have the physique to cope with the league style.

As with everything, it all comes back to money.

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We lack quality
We lack passion
We lack leaders
We lack match winners
We lack a plan

Bright dave is spot on apart from one fact, none of England's players are world class.

comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Money has zero to do with why our players are chit and anyone saying it is is an idiot

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All cyclical. Our spoilt little millionaires get all the adoration they need from the prem and its uber hypefest. They don't need to put in a shift for England, not these days. Money is the driver behind team selection, and team selection is the driver behind getting results. Results=money. Foreign ready made players cheaper than giving time to our (under coached) youngsters, and pressure too much to give many a chance. The game is to physical for the youngsters who (may have the bags of talent) may not have the physique to cope with the league style.

As with everything, it all comes back to money.
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Right ho, do you think that Portugal or Germany's players play for peanuts and bags of walkers?

comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
Money has zero to do with why our players are chit and anyone saying it is is an idiot

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All cyclical. Our spoilt little millionaires get all the adoration they need from the prem and its uber hypefest. They don't need to put in a shift for England, not these days. Money is the driver behind team selection, and team selection is the driver behind getting results. Results=money. Foreign ready made players cheaper than giving time to our (under coached) youngsters, and pressure too much to give many a chance. The game is to physical for the youngsters who (may have the bags of talent) may not have the physique to cope with the league style.

As with everything, it all comes back to money.
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Also nonsense because we have plenty of young players who could play for the next decade and are getting ample club games

Ali, Kane, rashford, shaw so on and so forth.

People need an excuse, were just not very good at this moment in time and people need to readjust their expectations.

Southgate told the FA the problems were at grass routes and things needed to change, smaller teams, focus on passing and was laughed at.

Now he's managing England a few years later. Funny old game.

Hopefully they will listen to him now.

Doesn't anybody listen to 4za

It's grass ROOTS ffs

He said.

This article is surely a WUM anyway, with how many times the OP states England have good players ....that are average

World Class
Very good
Good
Average
Poor
Very Poor
Tom Cleverley

You can't be average and good, surely?

There are a few problems but the biggest seems to be that there is no team. Look at teams such as Iceland and Wales. They work hard as a team, playing for each other.

The other thing is, we're not a top side but neither are we a bottom one. For example, we're not Wales or Iceland but neither are we Germany or France. We're like the current Holland side.

The money aspect is over played. I think at international level is better to have a system and choose players to fit that. That way you can adapt when a player is missing work another in a similar vein. We also do not have a star player to build a team around, so this does give an advantage over teams like Sweden who had Zlatan or Wales who have Bale (though Ramsey was more important for them at the Euros). It means we don't have to fit the team around one player. Sadly that's not happening in reality with the current Rooney situation.

Overall, grassroots level improvement will show in the long term but on the short term we have to see what we have now and have the players playing to a system they can slot into.

Sorry but Southgate came in and didn't have the balls to drop Rooney. He automatically fails there. Why was he picked? Form, leadership? No, he was picked because it was the easiest way out. Meanwhile, Rashford warmed the bench. Southgate is the English FA's wet dream in his conduct but he will not take the team further. He's also incredibly defensive so you won't even get entertainment value through his inevitable failures

The main problem is far to many players are being called up and used for Internationals, not sure how many players have been capped past three or four years, but I reckon it must be around about the 50 mark, ridiculously high.

The manager needs to pick a team and stick with it, even in the last tournament the manager thought it OK to rotate the whole team, with disastrous effect.

It's all about grass routes.... some people are using Rooney as an escape goat... but if he had gone on better grass routes as a kid, he'd be going in the right direction now.

merrysupersteve has got it spot on in my opinion.
Southgate is just taking the safe options (as his predecessors did and failed), Why the team is picked around a mediocre player is beyond me. Is it because the safe option will see Southgate land a nice £3m a year contract?
Why can't we have a manager who has thr backbone to leave out the old guard and play the players who are in form.