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I know from a distance it seems weird, but there are so many
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Have to say you are reaching IMO

The bearded lady is for all extents and purposes mentally and physically a woman.

A person looking in the mirror and seeing another gender is confused
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From my understanding the person feels trapped in the wrong body.
I can't say that I've ever felt male, I feel like a human being and I have the body that I'm given.
However I don't think something is wrong simply because I don't understand it.

To OP,

Yes, it's hard to debate anyone over policies and plans when the first disagreement leads to calling me a racist or homophobe or anything along the lines of that.

Well. Unless, you have no idea how basic economics work and you're arguing with an finance guy on policies. Then I think the finance guy has grounds on calling you dumb.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
Stretty

Yes, imagine as a young child feeling you are not the same as everyone else. Having to subsequently repress these feelings in order to “fit in.”

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There is a school of thought which says that confused young children if left alone overcome their feelings and get on with life, but the involvement of specialists at young ages confuses the issue and creates problems.

And this sounds like the Pie video. No?

Sorry, I only saw the first comment and the last comment.

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Defining transgender entirely as a mental disorder, or referring to trans people as simply “weird,” much like homosexuality used to be, hardly demonstrates acceptance.
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Good game folks.

Homosexuality is an interesting debate because those who disagree with it, whether that be on moral grounds or religious etc, have basically been told that their view no longer counts.

Whilst I don't have any issue with it personally, I do find it odd that this view has now been given an objective status.

I think of it like the burka (and no, not in context) but whilst i disagree with its use, I can respect the wishes of those who uphold it.

Why isn't homosexuality treated in the same light?

Whether we like it or not

The danger is always that if intolerance is tolerated it can gain power and affect real life.

comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
Stretty

Yes, imagine as a young child feeling you are not the same as everyone else. Having to subsequently repress these feelings in order to “fit in.”

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There is a school of thought which says that confused young children if left alone overcome their feelings and get on with life, but the involvement of specialists at young ages confuses the issue and creates problems.
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I think the point is that regardless of cause, trans people should not be victimised, nor discriminated against.

And it's the sad fate of liberalism, that particular hypocrisy.

comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 1 minute ago
Would you say a boy brought up as a girl is similar to anorexia then? He thinks he's a girl in reality but sees himself as a boy?
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It would certainly fit the "confused" tag. But if he is a boy and sees himself as a boy then his physical reality and assumption are the same.

With anorexia the physuacl reality and assumption are different or opposite

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comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
Stretty

Yes, imagine as a young child feeling you are not the same as everyone else. Having to subsequently repress these feelings in order to “fit in.”

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There is a school of thought which says that confused young children if left alone overcome their feelings and get on with life, but the involvement of specialists at young ages confuses the issue and creates problems.
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I think the point is that regardless of cause, trans people should not be victimised, nor discriminated against.
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That goes without saying.

However I don't think discussion on these topics and having a different view means its discrimination or victimisation

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Stretty

comment by The starving child of an EON employee (U6489)
posted 6 minutes ago
Defining transgender entirely as a mental disorder, or referring to trans people as simply “weird,” much like homosexuality used to be, hardly demonstrates acceptance.
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Good game folks.
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you do not have to accept any old crap, contrary to your beliefs.

comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago

Homosexuality is an interesting debate because those who disagree with it, whether that be on moral grounds or religious etc, have basically been told that their view no longer counts.

Whilst I don't have any issue with it personally, I do find it odd that this view has now been given an objective status.

I think of it like the burka (and no, not in context) but whilst i disagree with its use, I can respect the wishes of those who uphold it.

Why isn't homosexuality treated in the same light?

Whether we like it or not
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I think increasingly the view is "you must like it or else".

I asked a question once thatbif I was an employer and interviewed for a post and gave it to the best candidate who happened to he gay amd i treates that person same as everyine else but I didn't like the idea of being gay myself was I homophobic. The unanimous response was yes.

I don't see why but that is the case these days

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posted 1 minute ago
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comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 4 minutes ago
It is weird.

imagine wanting to be soemthing you can never be.


like wanting to all of a sudden become a microwave.

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I know from a distance it seems weird, but there are so many variations in nature that make transgender seem positively bland. Reproductive biology now is beginning to refer to gender as more of a spectrum on which one may be on, rather than classical male or female.

In humans it isn't just a mental imbalance, but can be chromosomal due to anomalies in meiosis during gamete production by the parents. Take the south African woman. She's considered a woman but has a deep voice, possibly shaves and has massive testosterone production which makes her physically more male but still has two x chromosomes so generally considered a genetic female.

Is it weird? Maybe, but it is actually natural.
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Have to say you are reaching IMO

The bearded lady is for all extents and purposes mentally and physically a woman.

A person looking in the mirror and seeing another gender is confused
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Can you not accept that there are degrees of male and female? I've given one much publicised example where a woman actually exhibits maleness. She apparently even has internalised testis which is why she is so strong relative to other female competitors.

You can say I'm reaching but I've actually changed the saxual organs of female fish into spermiating males. I'll be publishing my work in the new year. One crazy finding I made was that some of my control fish that didn't get a treatment also changed gender naturally. We've done some work to analyse why and it is population density dependent. Under certain population pressures some females become males. Think about in the context of humans now. Transgender wasn't really a thing in the past but in highly dense human cities, transgender issues are beginning to rise. We are placing artificial social constructs on a species which evolved to be nomadic living in small family groups. I believe along with some genetic factors, it is also a social behavioural factor in some cases, and unless we can all go live alone on deserted tropical islands, perhaps it is just better to treat transgender folk as just another human and let them live in peace.

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Its an interesting discussion and had I the time I would go through with you point by point.

However having done similar things to you, albeit at different levels, I don't buy into this type of research due to the flaws.

From the deuot flies to the moths and fish the reality is not as simple as your research suggests

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comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago

Homosexuality is an interesting debate because those who disagree with it, whether that be on moral grounds or religious etc, have basically been told that their view no longer counts.

Whilst I don't have any issue with it personally, I do find it odd that this view has now been given an objective status.

I think of it like the burka (and no, not in context) but whilst i disagree with its use, I can respect the wishes of those who uphold it.

Why isn't homosexuality treated in the same light?

Whether we like it or not
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I think increasingly the view is "you must like it or else".

I asked a question once thatbif I was an employer and interviewed for a post and gave it to the best candidate who happened to he gay amd i treates that person same as everyine else but I didn't like the idea of being gay myself was I homophobic. The unanimous response was yes.

I don't see why but that is the case these days
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I that by not liking it, you are by definition homophobic. But you are entitled to your opinion. There is only a problem if you discriminate against the person

comment by Brightdave: (U11711)
posted 4 minutes ago

... I've actually changed the saxual organs of female fish into spermiating males.
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Isn't this the normal lifecycle for a number of fish? One way, or the other? Also, the number of fish of each gender is determined by how many are required? Or something like that.

comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The starving child of an EON employee (U6489)
posted 6 minutes ago
Defining transgender entirely as a mental disorder, or referring to trans people as simply “weird,” much like homosexuality used to be, hardly demonstrates acceptance.
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Good game folks.
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you do not have to accept any old crap, contrary to your beliefs.


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This is true. You can opt to live in the dark ages, just don't scream everytime the magic people talk to you from the flashing box - it'll upset the neighbours.

This is true. You can opt to live in the dark ages, just don't scream everytime the magic people talk to you from the flashing box - it'll upset the neighbours.
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comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The starving child of an EON employee (U6489)
posted 6 minutes ago
Defining transgender entirely as a mental disorder, or referring to trans people as simply “weird,” much like homosexuality used to be, hardly demonstrates acceptance.
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Good game folks.
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you do not have to accept any old crap, contrary to your beliefs.


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This is true. You can opt to live in the dark ages, just don't scream everytime the magic people talk to you from the flashing box - it'll upset the neighbours.
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And this is why left wing liberals are idiots ladies and gents. and why they have lost brexit, lost the US, have lost virtually everything.

Its not a dark age thing to call trannies weirdos, sorry if that offends your snowflake self.