No point in appealing the red, both feet off the floor and if he's rested over xmas he'll be fit and well to play that fa cup game.
I disagree. There's an argument for a push and a tussle, and we usually stick out the reserves in the FA Cup anyway. Most pundits I've heard over the weekend think it shouldn't have been a red. I still think it's more likely than not to be upheld because the FA tend to want clear evidence to rescind such a decision and this is somewhat subject to opinion, but it's worth a go given the circumstances.
When you see it in real time it looks bad Vardy does jump in the air to get to the ball so i think its 50/50.
Not only should they be banned but the Muppet on 606 should be for condoning it. Why on earth would you do that FFS it he had been hit and cut the match would be abandoned and we would be severly punished an reputation would suffered.
I am guessing its the same muppets who sing where where you when we where Poo,call fans plastic and stand infront of those who chose to sit.
Entitlement gone wild
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 14 minutes ago
When you see it in real time it looks bad Vardy does jump in the air to get to the ball so i think its 50/50.
Not only should they be banned but the Muppet on 606 should be for condoning it. Why on earth would you do that FFS it he had been hit and cut the match would be abandoned and we would be severly punished an reputation would suffered.
I am guessing its the same muppets who sing where where you when we where Poo,call fans plastic and stand infront of those who chose to sit.
Entitlement gone wild
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That's the problem with real time, it looks a lot worse than it was. Yeah it was two footed but studs weren't showing, his feet were on the ground at the point of contact with the ball and the player. Danny Murphy even went as far as to say it was a good tackle and really it was. He won the ball and the tackle wasn't dangerous or late.
You're making it sound like coining throwing is a new phenomenon committed only by a certain stereotype of supporter but coins have been thrown for donkeys years, I used to make a fair amount of extra pocket money after games at Filbert Street.
I hope that Vards gets off, I think he should, but it will be
a 50-50 decision.
Danny Murphy said it was a good challenge and then said that he should have been booked a few seconds after
I saw it as a red card. He is pushed a bit, but he still goes in with two feet and is off the ground. Have seen them given both ways.
"That's the trouble with real time"
We what else has challenges been judged in since football began?
An interesting contradiction here. Ref fails to red card Rojo for a two-footed lunge and gets widespread condemnation. He red cards Vardy for the same thing and yet much of the media condemn him for that also.
I wouldn't expect the appeal to be successful but I',m often wrong !!
I take it you don't believe the lower contact point and in particular the tussle with another player are significant differences between the two incidents, puffin?
There is a point in a appealing because when you see the replay, Vardy was fouled and this caused his body to be in the shape it was.
As then the tackle wasn't actually dangerous as shown by replays, the fact that he was red carded because of a perceived two footed challenge was wrong.
However, I also agree that it's unlikely the FA will see it that way.
I do not in any way shape or form condone coin throwing. Whoever did that needs banning immediately. It's dangerous and disgusting.
However, the FA do need to look at those circumstances and if they conclude that a full set of supporters were furious about his management and control on the game, it suggests he is not fit to control a game.
However, I still believe the first man that genuinely needs removing from the premier league is Moss. I'd take Pawson reffing all our games if it meant Moss was never near our football club ever again.
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 31 minutes ago
"That's the trouble with real time"
We what else has challenges been judged in since football began?
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This is the point of appealing because technology can vindicate errors made in real time. It's understandable why he gave it based on real time but the replays tell a different story.
Should appeal, but not really hopefull.
The sweet FA appease the larger clubs, and dont like to side against their refs ,no matter how incompetant and dishonest they are.
Whatever ban Vardy gets should also be given to the ref for his 2 recent inconsistant and incompetent performances.
This wont happen of course as they FA are only interested in money, and have nothing but contempt for the paying fans.
They showed this last year , when Jon Moss was allowed to carry on after blatantly cheating in the West Ham game.
Hate to say this but sooner or later i can see a fan assaulting a refferee.Dont want this to happen , but they are so bad and dishonest , i think it is only a matter of time.
comment by Lubo - Pontus Jannson: purveyor of magic hats (U14008)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Danny Murphy said it was a good challenge and then said that he should have been booked a few seconds after
I saw it as a red card. He is pushed a bit, but he still goes in with two feet and is off the ground. Have seen them given both ways.
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His point was if you're going to give anything then maybe give a yellow but he thought it was a good challenge unwarranting of any punishment.
The Vardy and Rojo incidents are totally different - Rojo´s was a leg breaker all day long whereas Jamie´s wouldn´t have been dangerous even if he had made contact with the man. He actually did pretty well to twist himself in the air so that the tackle was pretty much side on - there were no studs showing at any point.
MOTD showed a good clip of Bojan´s face (he was right on top of the tackle when it was made) when Pawson pulled the red card out and his obvious disbelief really told the whole story.
That said I agree with the assessment that it probably won´t be overturned - they tend to back up the refs no matter how incompetent they are unless there´s 100% undeniable evidence the decision is a duffer.
As for the coin throwing, anybody caught should be banned because there´s no excuse for that. Yes, Pawson is a dreadful ref and to be perfectly honest it´s pretty jaw-dropping that he and Jon Moss are still on the Prem circuit, but there can be no tolerance for violence.
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However, the FA do need to look at those circumstances and if they conclude that a full set of supporters were furious about his management and control on the game, it suggests he is not fit to control a game.
However, I still believe the first man that genuinely needs removing from the premier league is Moss. I'd take Pawson reffing all our games if it meant Moss was never near our football club ever again."
What a stupid comment.
If football associations across the globe decided that every referee that gets flack from a whole group of supporters can't control the game and should be removed then we wouldnt have any referees.
However, the FA do need to look at those circumstances and if they conclude that a full set of supporters were furious about his management and control on the game, it suggests he is not fit to control a game.
I don't think its for the fans players or management to be judge and jury on refs. Then each game would divide into two nearly everygame.
What decisions did the Ref get wrong the Red could be seen as a red. Peno God knows what Simpson doing.
Fuchs reaction booking King correct the only one that was soft was Albrighton. The ref was very poor but our players reacted and made the situation worse.
Vardy did not need to make the challenge and jump up into the tackle although as i found out yesterday no one has ever seen Vardy make a rash challenge in midfield and nearly get booked ever!!!!
Vardy has no chance of getting his red card rescinded. The referees were asked to clamp down on airborne challenges at the beginning of the season and he isn't in control.
Now for me it's not a red, but that is the letter of the law which is why it won't be appealed. If he was being pushed then the argument will be that he shouldn't have stuck his legs out to make the tackle while he was off balance.
I suspect that is indeed the way it'll go, BlackStarr. But with any luck we might have him available for the Boxing Day game while the powers that be are thinking about it.
Contrary to most on here I can actually see why the Ref saw red. Vardy jumped with two feet and whilst I think he did make a genuine attempt to get the ball and did indeed get it, it was still reckless and I can see why it was given as a straight red.
The penalty was a little unlucky as Simpson wasn't looking at the ball and it was close range but you see them given every week.
I think City just lost the plot for 15 minutes and will probably be deservedly punished by the Premier League or the FA or whoever looks into these things.
Great comeback though.
FFS
Don't be realistic on here bro
No issue with the penalty myself - unlucky but it's a penalty.
Vardy - had to appeal but think we are wasting our time. FA will show no backbone but let's just move on.
As for the coin throwing, there is no excuse for it. Imagine if that thundercunt that threw the coins had hit one of us or a child supporting their own club..... No excuse. Find them, and ban them for life. I don't want my club associated with idiotic behaviour like this.
Is this appeal carried out by a 3 man independent commission?
I don't think we have much hope, appeals seem to be based around mistakes rather than being harsh?
comment by Champions of England (U21032)
posted 7 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 14 minutes ago
When you see it in real time it looks bad Vardy does jump in the air to get to the ball so i think its 50/50.
Not only should they be banned but the Muppet on 606 should be for condoning it. Why on earth would you do that FFS it he had been hit and cut the match would be abandoned and we would be severly punished an reputation would suffered.
I am guessing its the same muppets who sing where where you when we where Poo,call fans plastic and stand infront of those who chose to sit.
Entitlement gone wild
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That's the problem with real time, it looks a lot worse than it was. Yeah it was two footed but studs weren't showing, his feet were on the ground at the point of contact with the ball and the player. Danny Murphy even went as far as to say it was a good tackle and really it was. He won the ball and the tackle wasn't dangerous or late.
You're making it sound like coining throwing is a new phenomenon committed only by a certain stereotype of supporter but coins have been thrown for donkeys years, I used to make a fair amount of extra pocket money after games at Filbert Street.
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It is Arro ? Did your dad let you in to collect the money?
😜
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 13 hours, 50 minutes ago
I take it you don't believe the lower contact point and in particular the tussle with another player are significant differences between the two incidents, puffin?
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Actually I do but the laws of the game don't distinguish between the two. Red for Vardy may have been deemed to be "harsh" but the EPL are keen to stamp out this kind of challenge. It would be so much easier if the players actually knew the laws they were playing to.
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posted on 19/12/16
No point in appealing the red, both feet off the floor and if he's rested over xmas he'll be fit and well to play that fa cup game.
posted on 19/12/16
I disagree. There's an argument for a push and a tussle, and we usually stick out the reserves in the FA Cup anyway. Most pundits I've heard over the weekend think it shouldn't have been a red. I still think it's more likely than not to be upheld because the FA tend to want clear evidence to rescind such a decision and this is somewhat subject to opinion, but it's worth a go given the circumstances.
posted on 19/12/16
When you see it in real time it looks bad Vardy does jump in the air to get to the ball so i think its 50/50.
Not only should they be banned but the Muppet on 606 should be for condoning it. Why on earth would you do that FFS it he had been hit and cut the match would be abandoned and we would be severly punished an reputation would suffered.
I am guessing its the same muppets who sing where where you when we where Poo,call fans plastic and stand infront of those who chose to sit.
Entitlement gone wild
posted on 19/12/16
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 14 minutes ago
When you see it in real time it looks bad Vardy does jump in the air to get to the ball so i think its 50/50.
Not only should they be banned but the Muppet on 606 should be for condoning it. Why on earth would you do that FFS it he had been hit and cut the match would be abandoned and we would be severly punished an reputation would suffered.
I am guessing its the same muppets who sing where where you when we where Poo,call fans plastic and stand infront of those who chose to sit.
Entitlement gone wild
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That's the problem with real time, it looks a lot worse than it was. Yeah it was two footed but studs weren't showing, his feet were on the ground at the point of contact with the ball and the player. Danny Murphy even went as far as to say it was a good tackle and really it was. He won the ball and the tackle wasn't dangerous or late.
You're making it sound like coining throwing is a new phenomenon committed only by a certain stereotype of supporter but coins have been thrown for donkeys years, I used to make a fair amount of extra pocket money after games at Filbert Street.
posted on 19/12/16
I hope that Vards gets off, I think he should, but it will be
a 50-50 decision.
posted on 19/12/16
Danny Murphy said it was a good challenge and then said that he should have been booked a few seconds after
I saw it as a red card. He is pushed a bit, but he still goes in with two feet and is off the ground. Have seen them given both ways.
posted on 19/12/16
"That's the trouble with real time"
We what else has challenges been judged in since football began?
posted on 19/12/16
An interesting contradiction here. Ref fails to red card Rojo for a two-footed lunge and gets widespread condemnation. He red cards Vardy for the same thing and yet much of the media condemn him for that also.
I wouldn't expect the appeal to be successful but I',m often wrong !!
posted on 19/12/16
I take it you don't believe the lower contact point and in particular the tussle with another player are significant differences between the two incidents, puffin?
posted on 19/12/16
There is a point in a appealing because when you see the replay, Vardy was fouled and this caused his body to be in the shape it was.
As then the tackle wasn't actually dangerous as shown by replays, the fact that he was red carded because of a perceived two footed challenge was wrong.
However, I also agree that it's unlikely the FA will see it that way.
I do not in any way shape or form condone coin throwing. Whoever did that needs banning immediately. It's dangerous and disgusting.
However, the FA do need to look at those circumstances and if they conclude that a full set of supporters were furious about his management and control on the game, it suggests he is not fit to control a game.
However, I still believe the first man that genuinely needs removing from the premier league is Moss. I'd take Pawson reffing all our games if it meant Moss was never near our football club ever again.
posted on 19/12/16
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 31 minutes ago
"That's the trouble with real time"
We what else has challenges been judged in since football began?
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This is the point of appealing because technology can vindicate errors made in real time. It's understandable why he gave it based on real time but the replays tell a different story.
posted on 19/12/16
Should appeal, but not really hopefull.
The sweet FA appease the larger clubs, and dont like to side against their refs ,no matter how incompetant and dishonest they are.
Whatever ban Vardy gets should also be given to the ref for his 2 recent inconsistant and incompetent performances.
This wont happen of course as they FA are only interested in money, and have nothing but contempt for the paying fans.
They showed this last year , when Jon Moss was allowed to carry on after blatantly cheating in the West Ham game.
Hate to say this but sooner or later i can see a fan assaulting a refferee.Dont want this to happen , but they are so bad and dishonest , i think it is only a matter of time.
posted on 19/12/16
comment by Lubo - Pontus Jannson: purveyor of magic hats (U14008)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Danny Murphy said it was a good challenge and then said that he should have been booked a few seconds after
I saw it as a red card. He is pushed a bit, but he still goes in with two feet and is off the ground. Have seen them given both ways.
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His point was if you're going to give anything then maybe give a yellow but he thought it was a good challenge unwarranting of any punishment.
posted on 19/12/16
The Vardy and Rojo incidents are totally different - Rojo´s was a leg breaker all day long whereas Jamie´s wouldn´t have been dangerous even if he had made contact with the man. He actually did pretty well to twist himself in the air so that the tackle was pretty much side on - there were no studs showing at any point.
MOTD showed a good clip of Bojan´s face (he was right on top of the tackle when it was made) when Pawson pulled the red card out and his obvious disbelief really told the whole story.
That said I agree with the assessment that it probably won´t be overturned - they tend to back up the refs no matter how incompetent they are unless there´s 100% undeniable evidence the decision is a duffer.
As for the coin throwing, anybody caught should be banned because there´s no excuse for that. Yes, Pawson is a dreadful ref and to be perfectly honest it´s pretty jaw-dropping that he and Jon Moss are still on the Prem circuit, but there can be no tolerance for violence.
posted on 19/12/16
"
However, the FA do need to look at those circumstances and if they conclude that a full set of supporters were furious about his management and control on the game, it suggests he is not fit to control a game.
However, I still believe the first man that genuinely needs removing from the premier league is Moss. I'd take Pawson reffing all our games if it meant Moss was never near our football club ever again."
What a stupid comment.
If football associations across the globe decided that every referee that gets flack from a whole group of supporters can't control the game and should be removed then we wouldnt have any referees.
posted on 19/12/16
However, the FA do need to look at those circumstances and if they conclude that a full set of supporters were furious about his management and control on the game, it suggests he is not fit to control a game.
I don't think its for the fans players or management to be judge and jury on refs. Then each game would divide into two nearly everygame.
What decisions did the Ref get wrong the Red could be seen as a red. Peno God knows what Simpson doing.
Fuchs reaction booking King correct the only one that was soft was Albrighton. The ref was very poor but our players reacted and made the situation worse.
Vardy did not need to make the challenge and jump up into the tackle although as i found out yesterday no one has ever seen Vardy make a rash challenge in midfield and nearly get booked ever!!!!
posted on 19/12/16
Vardy has no chance of getting his red card rescinded. The referees were asked to clamp down on airborne challenges at the beginning of the season and he isn't in control.
Now for me it's not a red, but that is the letter of the law which is why it won't be appealed. If he was being pushed then the argument will be that he shouldn't have stuck his legs out to make the tackle while he was off balance.
posted on 19/12/16
*repealed
posted on 19/12/16
I suspect that is indeed the way it'll go, BlackStarr. But with any luck we might have him available for the Boxing Day game while the powers that be are thinking about it.
posted on 19/12/16
Contrary to most on here I can actually see why the Ref saw red. Vardy jumped with two feet and whilst I think he did make a genuine attempt to get the ball and did indeed get it, it was still reckless and I can see why it was given as a straight red.
The penalty was a little unlucky as Simpson wasn't looking at the ball and it was close range but you see them given every week.
I think City just lost the plot for 15 minutes and will probably be deservedly punished by the Premier League or the FA or whoever looks into these things.
Great comeback though.
posted on 19/12/16
FFS
Don't be realistic on here bro
posted on 19/12/16
No issue with the penalty myself - unlucky but it's a penalty.
Vardy - had to appeal but think we are wasting our time. FA will show no backbone but let's just move on.
As for the coin throwing, there is no excuse for it. Imagine if that thundercunt that threw the coins had hit one of us or a child supporting their own club..... No excuse. Find them, and ban them for life. I don't want my club associated with idiotic behaviour like this.
posted on 19/12/16
Is this appeal carried out by a 3 man independent commission?
I don't think we have much hope, appeals seem to be based around mistakes rather than being harsh?
posted on 19/12/16
comment by Champions of England (U21032)
posted 7 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 14 minutes ago
When you see it in real time it looks bad Vardy does jump in the air to get to the ball so i think its 50/50.
Not only should they be banned but the Muppet on 606 should be for condoning it. Why on earth would you do that FFS it he had been hit and cut the match would be abandoned and we would be severly punished an reputation would suffered.
I am guessing its the same muppets who sing where where you when we where Poo,call fans plastic and stand infront of those who chose to sit.
Entitlement gone wild
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That's the problem with real time, it looks a lot worse than it was. Yeah it was two footed but studs weren't showing, his feet were on the ground at the point of contact with the ball and the player. Danny Murphy even went as far as to say it was a good tackle and really it was. He won the ball and the tackle wasn't dangerous or late.
You're making it sound like coining throwing is a new phenomenon committed only by a certain stereotype of supporter but coins have been thrown for donkeys years, I used to make a fair amount of extra pocket money after games at Filbert Street.
......................... ..........................
It is Arro ? Did your dad let you in to collect the money?
😜
posted on 20/12/16
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 13 hours, 50 minutes ago
I take it you don't believe the lower contact point and in particular the tussle with another player are significant differences between the two incidents, puffin?
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Actually I do but the laws of the game don't distinguish between the two. Red for Vardy may have been deemed to be "harsh" but the EPL are keen to stamp out this kind of challenge. It would be so much easier if the players actually knew the laws they were playing to.
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