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posted on 30/12/16

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comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am gooner

Yes Palestine does adhere to the philosophies you mention, and yes they are wrong. But who are we to preach. The US has been allied to Saudi Arabia for years, who also adhere to the above philosophies. The moral argument doesn't wash with me as it's hypocritical and blatantly political. There's no justification for Israel to keep forcing Palestinians off their land. But this isn't the point I was making.

What's worrying to me is that Trump has his idea of world politics which doesn't align with the rest of the UN. Then there's his diplomacy via Twitter, and the fact that the bloke is a knobhead and a racist.
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I take it you use the likes of the BBC and similar mainstream media for your view. Some of their reporting during Brexit and the US elections has been virtually lying. Some of the comments they published out of context of how they were said gave a very distorted view. In order to see what was really said you need to watch the whole comment. One that comes to mind was a comment he made that some of people that hide among the immigrants are terrorists, rapists, murderers and other criminals and they should not be allowed into the US. It was clear he meant the terrorists and criminals, the BBC cut the speech to only show clips that made it sound like he was talking about all immigrants. Only by watching all of it and not the propeganda led distortion of the truth coull you know that.

Whatever way you look at it the arguements of people like you dont hold up to scrutiny.

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"Some of their reporting during Brexit and the US elections has been virtually lying. Some of the comments they published out of context of how they were said gave a very distorted view"

Such as? I'm sure you can cite examples of the above, with references to back it up?

You're denying Trump has made disparaging comments about Muslims, Women, his opponents, Mexicans, The parents of an American Muslim soldier who died in conflict......etc

It's all a conspiracy.

posted on 30/12/16

For me Donald Trump is an absolute genius who knew exactly how to get into power.

He found the flaws in the system and American citizens.

He used people's poverty, he used their distaste towards the elite in powers, he used Islam, he used immigrants, he attacked all potential candidates and not once did anyone turn around and stop him. In fact, he was embraced and cheered for it.

The scary thing for me is that this tactic would without a doubt work in the U.K - It won't take long for us to be under the same rule.

posted on 30/12/16

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posted on 30/12/16

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 5 minutes ago

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Think you are a bit muddled up about who can go where tbh. West Bank for a start.
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No, youve got it wrong. The only limitation Israel have put on movement, where people can live, etc has been in response to attack. So yes there is a strong restriction on free movement, which can easily be argued as being too strong. Do you really expect them to allow people to freely enter their territory to attack them?

posted on 30/12/16

comment by Galv's: Happy New Mike Dean (U10415)
posted 15 minutes ago
I take it you use the likes of the BBC and similar mainstream media for your view.


Like you and the radio interview

I agree the BBC is not worth listening to anymore for news....
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The point of the radio interview was that it was the Israeli and Palestinian foreign ministers talking. It was "from the horses mouth" and not chop-shopped propeganda.

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posted on 30/12/16

comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 14 minutes ago
"Some of their reporting during Brexit and the US elections has been virtually lying. Some of the comments they published out of context of how they were said gave a very distorted view"

Such as? I'm sure you can cite examples of the above, with references to back it up?

You're denying Trump has made disparaging comments about Muslims, Women, his opponents, Mexicans, The parents of an American Muslim soldier who died in conflict......etc

It's all a conspiracy.
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Anyone who denies Trump making those comments is an absolute deluded 24 carat idiot!

I was in the US and I heard him say these things and in fact, he has never denied them either

And also he doesn't give a hoot that he said them

posted on 30/12/16

comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 4 minutes ago

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No offence but you haven't much idea about the Arab/Israeli conflict.
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I've had an interest in it for many years and have looked at a lot of the views from both sides. One of my favourite examples is a Radio 4 program with the Israeli and Palestinian foreign ministers a few years ago. The presenter was very hostile to the Israeli for the whole program. At the end he accused the Israeli of being a liar and said that if what he said was true why was theire still conflict in the Middle East. He politely replied and said if you want to know the answer to that you'd better ask him. The Palestinian went off on a rant saying that no Arab would rest until they had exterminated every last Jew in the world. It was one of the worst public displays of pure hatred and evil I have ever seen. At the end of it the presenter apologised to the Israeli and said he had believed it was the Jews that caused the conflict and he had no real understanding of the real level hatred they are facing.
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"The more Qassam [rocket] fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," Matan Vilnai, Israel's deputy defence minister, told army radio."

Shoah is Hebrew for holocaust by the way.


"The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started...

Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."

Ayelet Shaked’s justice minister talking about killing ALL Palestinians.

THE JUSTICE MINISTER.

I can find you 50+ more quotes from Israeli Prime ministers and politicians who advocate killing ordinary Palestinians just say the word.

Here is a web site dedicated to ex Israeli (terrorists) soldiers talking about how they were told to kill innocent Palestinians.

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/database/392786

They describe themselves as....

"Breaking the Silence is an organization of veteran combatants who have served in the Israeli military since the start of the Second Intifada and have taken it upon themselves to expose the Israeli public to the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories. We endeavor to stimulate public debate about the price paid for a reality in which young soldiers face a civilian population on a daily basis, and are engaged in the control of that population’s everyday life. Our work aims to bring an end to the occupation."


posted on 30/12/16

comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 14 minutes ago
"Some of their reporting during Brexit and the US elections has been virtually lying. Some of the comments they published out of context of how they were said gave a very distorted view"

Such as? I'm sure you can cite examples of the above, with references to back it up?

You're denying Trump has made disparaging comments about Muslims, Women, his opponents, Mexicans, The parents of an American Muslim soldier who died in conflict......etc

It's all a conspiracy.
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Anyone who denies Trump making those comments is an absolute deluded 24 carat idiot!

I was in the US and I heard him say these things and in fact, he has never denied them either

And also he doesn't give a hoot that he said them
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Exactly

Gooner reckons there's a left wing media conspiracy to air/print Trump's comments out of context to make him appear racist,sexist and bigoted. Two problems with this conspiracy.

1) There's never been any evidence to prove this.
2) Right Wing media also ran the same content.

posted on 30/12/16

comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 14 minutes ago
"Some of their reporting during Brexit and the US elections has been virtually lying. Some of the comments they published out of context of how they were said gave a very distorted view"

Such as? I'm sure you can cite examples of the above, with references to back it up?

You're denying Trump has made disparaging comments about Muslims, Women, his opponents, Mexicans, The parents of an American Muslim soldier who died in conflict......etc

It's all a conspiracy.
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Anyone who denies Trump making those comments is an absolute deluded 24 carat idiot!

I was in the US and I heard him say these things and in fact, he has never denied them either

And also he doesn't give a hoot that he said them
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The beauty of the man was every time he said something outlandish, ridiculous and racist which baffled the mind of millions - He decided to distract them, he'd say the next outlandish, ridiculous and racist statement.

I'm not sure how anyone can say his comments were taken out of context

posted on 30/12/16

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posted on 30/12/16

I still find it hard to understand how anybody can take the side of the Israeli's.

The Palestinians didn't want to give over their land in 1948 and so it was stolen.

What else is there?

Were the Palestinians given a referendum in 1948 like our Brexit vote? Would we have been ok with Europe taking everything under York?

posted on 30/12/16

comment by Galv's: Happy New Mike Dean (U10415)
posted 3 minutes ago
We're halfway there.........it's the 'rights' turn to play with the world....i like these odds

http://bestanimations.com/Military/Explosions/atomic-mushroom-cloud-explosion-2-2.gif

Roll on 2017
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Again, you're posting left wing propeganda with no factual base for it. Putting a gif of a mushroom cloud doesnt mean there will be a nuclear war, just that youre scaremongering.

If you look though history, most of the worlds problems have been caused when there is too long with one view (left or right) having too much power for too long. I noticed when studying the major financial crashes that every one happened when Britain and the US had the same party in power for 2 consecutive terms prior to EVERY crash there has been.

The world needs regular swings in politics to keep it balanced. Recently we have had too much influence from the left and now there is a backlash to that. Balance will be restored with a move to the right. And as evidence of this view I offer one word, history.

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posted on 30/12/16

I always rated Robb as a poster, right up until this article. Now I realise he's in the same camp as that other fool RDD.

posted on 30/12/16

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 4 minutes ago
Oh dear not going down this road again.
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Cal

Didn't mean to steer the topic back down this road. The point I was making, bringing up Israel, is that the vast majority of UN nations have condemned Israel continuing to incur on Palestinian territory, the US abstained from the vote. Trump takes it upon himself to throw his hat behind Israel via Twitter.

The bloke is a shiite stirrer and I was challenging Rob's claim that he will be better for international diplomatic relations than Clinton.

posted on 30/12/16

comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Galv's: Happy New Mike Dean (U10415)
posted 1 minute ago
And then there's the zionists who want to remove every non-jew from the land so the 'messiah' comes back and we have armageddon....How's that for batshiittt crazy?
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But thats a few extremists and the comparisoon would be to describe Britain as being a facist state because there are a few far right people here.

Your statement also shows a complete lack of knowledge on Israel, its values, its political set up and religious beliefs. Armegeddon has nothing to do with whether non-Jews live in Israel and their scriptures teach that they should allow people who agree to live by their laws (NOT their religios views) should be treated equally.

So your brief comment shows 2 things, you are mis-informed of the real situation and trying to push left wing propeganda.
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There are over 800,000 zionist settlers (land thieves) in the West Bank. Last count was in December 2015.

That's not including all the Zionist's in other parts of Palestine and in the American government. You don't have to be a Jew to be a zionist, Arabs and white Americans have adopted the zionist ideology.

This includes the new US secretary of state Mitt Romney.

He even promised that if he was ever President that he would.... “The first thing I will do after I am sworn in as President of the U.S.A. is fly to Israel and consult with that country's leaders.”

posted on 30/12/16

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
I always rated Robb as a poster, right up until this article. Now I realise he's in the same camp as that other fool RDD.
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RDD is an actual racist, Robb just has uneducated opinions which he air's as facts.

posted on 30/12/16

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 minutes ago
I always rated Robb as a poster, right up until this article. Now I realise he's in the same camp as that other fool RDD.
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Because I didn't want Hilary Clinton in power?

You do realise she's done more damage to the Middle East than Trump ever will.

posted on 30/12/16

Besides MU52, this is a football site. You shouldn't base your opinions on someone on a football site because of what you assume their political beliefs to be

posted on 30/12/16

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 4 minutes ago
I still find it hard to understand how anybody can take the side of the Israeli's.

The Palestinians didn't want to give over their land in 1948 and so it was stolen.

What else is there?

Were the Palestinians given a referendum in 1948 like our Brexit vote? Would we have been ok with Europe taking everything under York?
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Don't think you can undo what has happened tbh.
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It can never be undone, the sad thing is their are Zionist's out there who want more land.

Historical Israel seeped into Egypt, Iraq Jordan and Syria, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/images/greater-israel-map4.jpg

They want to re-create what was old Israel.

posted on 30/12/16

comment by Robb Negan Lucille the Third (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 minutes ago
I always rated Robb as a poster, right up until this article. Now I realise he's in the same camp as that other fool RDD.
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Because I didn't want Hilary Clinton in power?

You do realise she's done more damage to the Middle East than Trump ever will.
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*than Trump ever has so far...

[Fixed it for you]

Also, for the record I wouldn't have voted for Hillary either. It was honestly a presidential race of the lesser of two evils.

Trump has already shown he will be faithful to Russia and has openly stated he will back Israel, regardless of what the UN suggests or what America has recently told them.

It actually worries that up to now Israel were just financially backed by America - God knows what Trump will do to help Israel find 'peace'

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