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Jews are leaving London and Paris and very few dare live in arab or Muslim lands...fact.
Christians are like giant panda's in most of the middle east, Pakistan, afghan istan, due to hate crime attacks.
Now, north africa cross worshippers are hunted down.
But, in the uk, three million Muslims are living in Peace, so who are the liberals?
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http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2016/december/christians-most-persecuted-religious-group-on-the-planet
The least surprising news you'll ever read, unless you're a far left lunatic.
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"Mr. Introvigne says about 70 percent of Christians killed in 2016 died in tribal conflicts in Aftrica--many of them Christians who refused to take up arms for reasons of conscience"
So many of that 70%, according to this report, were killed by fellow Christians for not taking up arms?
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Wonderful deflection.
Damn those apostates.
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No deflection at all Bells. Doesn't it undermine the claim that Christians are the most persecuted when it's fellow Christians doing the persecuting in many cases.
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do you hae any concrete examples please of these tribal conflicts?
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Ask Ttliv. He posted the link and claimed Christians are the most persecuted.
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This gives a world map view of where CHristians are persecuted.
http://www.opendoorsuk.org/persecution/country_profiles.php
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Jews are leaving London and Paris and very few dare live in arab or Muslim lands...fact.
Christians are like giant panda's in most of the middle east, Pakistan, afghan istan, due to hate crime attacks.
Now, north africa cross worshippers are hunted down.
But, in the uk, three million Muslims are living in Peace, so who are the liberals?
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http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2016/december/christians-most-persecuted-religious-group-on-the-planet
The least surprising news you'll ever read, unless you're a far left lunatic.
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"Mr. Introvigne says about 70 percent of Christians killed in 2016 died in tribal conflicts in Aftrica--many of them Christians who refused to take up arms for reasons of conscience"
So many of that 70%, according to this report, were killed by fellow Christians for not taking up arms?
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Wonderful deflection.
Damn those apostates.
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No deflection at all Bells. Doesn't it undermine the claim that Christians are the most persecuted when it's fellow Christians doing the persecuting in many cases.
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do you hae any concrete examples please of these tribal conflicts?
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Good shout...never heard about this.
Us white Christians are the biggest discriminators.
There is a reason for Israel's existence.
And it isn't because Black people are intolerant.
It isn't because Muslims or Arabs are intolerant.
Before the rise of Imperial Israel Jewish people were actually better off in the Middle East with Muslims than they were in the Christian West.
The fact there is a conflict between Muslims and Jews now is our fault for stealing the land of Muslims to give to Jewish people, it is our discrimination to start with that lead to this greater discrimination.
The Holocaust?
White people.
Genocide of Native Americans?
White people.
The Palestinians?
Jewish people, supported by white people.
The fact we live in our rich countries mainly separated from these other groups allows us to do a great impression of being fair minded people.
But look at what we have to actually suffer from Muslims and how much discrimination we actually have against them.
Now imagine if instead of just a few Muslims moving to Britain and failing to intergrate they were coming here in their millions and stealing British land, kicking British people out of their homes to setup their own country in Britain.
Muslim discrimination against Jewish people would barely register in comparison to the reaction the British people would give!
There would actually be blood on the streets.
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Didn't trump say Obama created Isis too?
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This is the left wing propeganda way of putting what Trunmp said. The truth is that the way Obama pulled troops oput of the area left a void which ISIS filled. Better management of the withdraw of troops could have prevented the destabilising of the area that led to the rise of ISIS.
And as for the comments about Putin, I am starting to realise that Obama has led a campaign of propeganda against Putin. What we see in the mainstream media is oftena propeganda led distortion of the truth. As such it is unclear how bad he really is. What has become apparent is Obama is intent on starting a new conflict with Russia.
Fortunately Putin has refused to be drawn into it and has published a statement that he will not deport US ambassadors but will work with Trump to restore US-Russia relations. By doing this Obamas plan has backfired and world peace look like it will be maintained. If Putin was really as bad as Obama has tried to make us believe we could have been on the brink of world war 3.
I heard some right wing propeganda a while ago that Obama was going to try to manipulate world politics so he could declare an emergency and grant himself power to remain as the presiudent. What we have seen in the last week or two is making me think this could have been real.
The world as we know it is changing, the new extremists are the liberal left, forcing their views on anyone who doesnt agree with them, destroying free speech, paying protesters against Trump, etc.
To quote Lord of the Rings, "A shadow and a threat has been growing in my mind. Something draws near. I can feel it." Its the all new loony left.
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Wow people actually believe stuff like this.
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The fact he ends his conspiracy rant with a quote from a fantasy movie should tell you something
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One of the worse things about trump is he's normalising and justifying racism and bigotry again, similar to how America was in the 50s.
It's making people feel more comfortable with holding openly racist or ignorant views. It's at a point when anyone who questions that is wrote off as a too PC, or remoaners in this country.
People with these views can have an opinion, and should be challenged in a debate. But never should any views which are simply racist be tollerated or remotely encouraged. Trump knows what he's doing, he's used genuine anger people have, and spouted simple messages that have simple and wrong solutions which basically blame foreigners. He's taken them all for a ride and appointed people who couldn't get establishment of they tried. He's not anti establishment in the slightest. He's just taken advantage of people to get power, in so doing stoked up anger and racism.
It's a shame we couldn't have a candidate who can unite a whole country by not blaming people who are no different from any other person on the street. Anger should be directed at the powerful, those banks corporations and politicians who have fecked us all throughout history , no matter what race you are. Blaming foreigners or people on benefits for our problems, will only make the powerful who have screwed us time and time again, more powerful.
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I don't want to copy paste that whole thing again but I want to add my as well.
The elites use much the same method empires used to control their territories, divide and conquer, when we should be united against them.
"Us white Christians are the biggest discriminators."
what have Christians got to do with all those stuff you listed?
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"Us white Christians are the biggest discriminators."
what have Christians got to do with all those stuff you listed?
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You know Europe and America are largely White and Christian right?
Admittedly Europe is getting less Christian these days but a fair few of the things I mentioned are from a few decades back when we were much more religious.
"Mr. Introvigne says about 70 percent of Christians killed in 2016 died in tribal conflicts in Aftrica--many of them Christians who refused to take up arms for reasons of conscience"
So many of that 70%, according to this report, were killed by fellow Christians for not taking up arms?
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It says nothing of the sort. Its quite clear what it says. 70% of Christians killed where killed in tribal conflicts in Africa. Of that 70% many of them did not take up arms.
You have added that it was other Christians that they were involved in the conflict with. That is not what it says. I am aware of a number of reports where Christians were not prepared to take up arms so were massacred by other groups,most often Muslim groups like Boko Haram. There were some instances of Christian against Christina violence but this was tribal based violence rather then religious based on the most part.
Here is a link on worldwide trends on reasons for Christian discrimination.
http://www.opendoorsuk.org/persecution/trends.php
It's funny that the same people who (rightly) hate Isis and regular Muslims on the street being lumped together will gladly lump the entire west together as white Christians.
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comment by Passion Power -I'm a .....¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (U8398)
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"Us white Christians are the biggest discriminators."
what have Christians got to do with all those stuff you listed?
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You know Europe and America are largely White and Christian right?
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These days in Europe
white - yes
Christian - No
TBH Europe as a whole is probably more Christian than anything else, whilst Britain may not be very religious somewhere like Poland is much more religious...
That said I was more referring to past events when Europe was more religious.
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It's funny that the same people who (rightly) hate Isis and regular Muslims on the street being lumped together will gladly lump the entire west together as white Christians.
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How would you describe Europeans then?
Especially considering much of what I was talking about referred to a fair few decades back....
Black Muslims?
Mixed race Jews?
No, Europe is quite clearly dominated by White Christians, less so these days but certainly back a few decades.
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
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TBH Europe as a whole is probably more Christian than anything else, whilst Britain may not be very religious somewhere like Poland is much more religious...
That said I was more referring to past events when Europe was more religious.
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It's funny that the same people who (rightly) hate Isis and regular Muslims on the street being lumped together will gladly lump the entire west together as white Christians.
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How would you describe Europeans then?
Especially considering much of what I was talking about referred to a fair few decades back....
Black Muslims?
Mixed race Jews?
No, Europe is quite clearly dominated by White Christians, less so these days but certainly back a few decades.
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Even if a country is so called "Christian" doesn't mean
that people are following Christianity.
The reason being if you go back to the root Christianity they got their name from people calling them little Jesus’s. It was actually a derogatory term, because they were so much like him.
If you look at Jesus, he was full of love, compassion, righteousness, grace...
That's why within Christianity, it's about being Christ like, and when you're not people always blurt out "and you call yourself a Christian"
One of the worse things about trump is he's normalising and justifying racism and bigotry again, similar to how America was in the 50s.
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There is certainly an aspect that racists and bigots are backing Trumo, but I saw a good youtube video on what Trump actually said not long ago. The media is using clips of his speeches to manipulate the impression of what he said.
I posted earlier that the media reported so it sounded like he said he did not want immigrants from the middle east as they are terrorists, rapists and murderers. When you watch the uncut version of his speech what he actually said was that hiding amongst the immigrants are terroists, rapists and murderers and he didnt want them in his country.
You just prove how easy it is for the media to manipulate those who have not learned to investigate things for themselves and work through the propeganda.
You seem pretty to paint 'white Christian Europe' as responsible for the discrimination when painting an entire swath of a continent is just as bad as someone saying the entire arab middle east is responsible for terrorism
*pretty determined to paint
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One of the worse things about trump is he's normalising and justifying racism and bigotry again, similar to how America was in the 50s.
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There is certainly an aspect that racists and bigots are backing Trumo, but I saw a good youtube video on what Trump actually said not long ago. The media is using clips of his speeches to manipulate the impression of what he said.
I posted earlier that the media reported so it sounded like he said he did not want immigrants from the middle east as they are terrorists, rapists and murderers. When you watch the uncut version of his speech what he actually said was that hiding amongst the immigrants are terroists, rapists and murderers and he didnt want them in his country.
You just prove how easy it is for the media to manipulate those who have not learned to investigate things for themselves and work through the propeganda.
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Yeah you said this earlier but couldn't back it up when I asked.
Also why were both pro and anti Trump media organisations quoting the same comments by Trump. Undermines your argument no?
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comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
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TBH Europe as a whole is probably more Christian than anything else, whilst Britain may not be very religious somewhere like Poland is much more religious...
That said I was more referring to past events when Europe was more religious.
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It's funny that the same people who (rightly) hate Isis and regular Muslims on the street being lumped together will gladly lump the entire west together as white Christians.
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How would you describe Europeans then?
Especially considering much of what I was talking about referred to a fair few decades back....
Black Muslims?
Mixed race Jews?
No, Europe is quite clearly dominated by White Christians, less so these days but certainly back a few decades.
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Even if a country is so called "Christian" doesn't mean
that people are following Christianity.
The reason being if you go back to the root Christianity they got their name from people calling them little Jesus’s. It was actually a derogatory term, because they were so much like him.
If you look at Jesus, he was full of love, compassion, righteousness, grace...
That's why within Christianity, it's about being Christ like, and when you're not people always blurt out "and you call yourself a Christian"
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I can understand that argument, although I disagree I can strongly understand the position you have on this.
I can't remember his username right now but he often makes a similar argument for Islamic terrorists not following Islam's laws so they are not actually Islamic.
It does sort of remind me of the no true scotsman fallacy though. For example, I say 'no Scots drink vodka' you show me a Scottish person drinking vodka, I say 'No true scotsman would drink vodka'
TBH Jesus I am actually a big fan of, the whole new testament is very left wing hippy if you ask me (which is close to what I am) it's just that many of his followers seem different.
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Even if a country is so called "Christian" doesn't mean
that people are following Christianity.
The reason being if you go back to the root Christianity they got their name from people calling them little Jesus’s. It was actually a derogatory term, because they were so much like him.
If you look at Jesus, he was full of love, compassion, righteousness, grace...
That's why within Christianity, it's about being Christ like, and when you're not people always blurt out "and you call yourself a Christian"
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I'm a Christian and this is pretty much how it is. One of the key principles of Christianity os peace, hence the previous comment about Christians not taking up arms in African conflicts.
Christians do more charitable work in Britain than all other groups put together. Cameron said if Christians stopped volunteering Britain would stop working. Yet we are now a minority. I have personally done volunteer work with the homeless, youth work and went to Kosovo after the war to help the Muslim victims of the so called Christian monstrosities there.
You seem pretty to paint 'white Christian Europe' as responsible for the discrimination when painting an entire swath of a continent is just as bad as someone saying the entire arab middle east is responsible for terrorism
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Surely saying the entirety of Europe is response for the holocaust would be the equivalent of saying the entire arab middle east is responsible for terrorism?
Claiming that those who carried out the holocaust were White Christians is probably pretty similar to claiming that those who carry out Islamic terrorism are Islamic....
Would you deny Islamic terrorists are Islamic?
They may not follow some of the rules but that is true of many religious people.
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comment by Passion Power -I'm a .....¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (U8398)
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comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 minute ago
TBH Europe as a whole is probably more Christian than anything else, whilst Britain may not be very religious somewhere like Poland is much more religious...
That said I was more referring to past events when Europe was more religious.
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It's funny that the same people who (rightly) hate Isis and regular Muslims on the street being lumped together will gladly lump the entire west together as white Christians.
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How would you describe Europeans then?
Especially considering much of what I was talking about referred to a fair few decades back....
Black Muslims?
Mixed race Jews?
No, Europe is quite clearly dominated by White Christians, less so these days but certainly back a few decades.
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Even if a country is so called "Christian" doesn't mean
that people are following Christianity.
The reason being if you go back to the root Christianity they got their name from people calling them little Jesus’s. It was actually a derogatory term, because they were so much like him.
If you look at Jesus, he was full of love, compassion, righteousness, grace...
That's why within Christianity, it's about being Christ like, and when you're not people always blurt out "and you call yourself a Christian"
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I can understand that argument, although I disagree I can strongly understand the position you have on this.
I can't remember his username right now but he often makes a similar argument for Islamic terrorists not following Islam's laws so they are not actually Islamic.
It does sort of remind me of the no true scotsman fallacy though. For example, I say 'no Scots drink vodka' you show me a Scottish person drinking vodka, I say 'No true scotsman would drink vodka'
TBH Jesus I am actually a big fan of, the whole new testament is very left wing hippy if you ask me (which is close to what I am) it's just that many of his followers seem different.
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That's my issue with Islam, no one really knows what it is to be a proper muslim?
For Christianity, you can look to Jesus
For Islam if you do the same test and look to Mohammed, them I'm really scared, as he seemed to spread his ideology with war and killing.
I think if you come to the conclusion that the New Testament and Jesus was very left (which I equate to socialism)
then I doubt you have really read it, socialism is a very anti Christian concept actually.
According to a survey by the Pew Research Center in 2012, found that 76.2% of Europeans considered themselves Christians
http://www.pewforum.org/2011/12/19/global-christianity-regions/#europe
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
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You seem pretty to paint 'white Christian Europe' as responsible for the discrimination when painting an entire swath of a continent is just as bad as someone saying the entire arab middle east is responsible for terrorism
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Surely saying the entirety of Europe is response for the holocaust would be the equivalent of saying the entire arab middle east is responsible for terrorism?
Claiming that those who carried out the holocaust were White Christians is probably pretty similar to claiming that those who carry out Islamic terrorism are Islamic....
Would you deny Islamic terrorists are Islamic?
They may not follow some of the rules but that is true of many religious people.
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No, because as I said before those stuff go against the teachings of Christ.
Can you be so sure what the radicals are doing go against the teachings of Mohammed?
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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
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Jews are leaving London and Paris and very few dare live in arab or Muslim lands...fact.
Christians are like giant panda's in most of the middle east, Pakistan, afghan istan, due to hate crime attacks.
Now, north africa cross worshippers are hunted down.
But, in the uk, three million Muslims are living in Peace, so who are the liberals?
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http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2016/december/christians-most-persecuted-religious-group-on-the-planet
The least surprising news you'll ever read, unless you're a far left lunatic.
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"Mr. Introvigne says about 70 percent of Christians killed in 2016 died in tribal conflicts in Aftrica--many of them Christians who refused to take up arms for reasons of conscience"
So many of that 70%, according to this report, were killed by fellow Christians for not taking up arms?
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Wonderful deflection.
Damn those apostates.
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No deflection at all Bells. Doesn't it undermine the claim that Christians are the most persecuted when it's fellow Christians doing the persecuting in many cases.
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do you hae any concrete examples please of these tribal conflicts?
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Ask Ttliv. He posted the link and claimed Christians are the most persecuted.
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This gives a world map view of where CHristians are persecuted.
http://www.opendoorsuk.org/persecution/country_profiles.php
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comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
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comment by Ttliv87 (U11882)
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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jews are leaving London and Paris and very few dare live in arab or Muslim lands...fact.
Christians are like giant panda's in most of the middle east, Pakistan, afghan istan, due to hate crime attacks.
Now, north africa cross worshippers are hunted down.
But, in the uk, three million Muslims are living in Peace, so who are the liberals?
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http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2016/december/christians-most-persecuted-religious-group-on-the-planet
The least surprising news you'll ever read, unless you're a far left lunatic.
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"Mr. Introvigne says about 70 percent of Christians killed in 2016 died in tribal conflicts in Aftrica--many of them Christians who refused to take up arms for reasons of conscience"
So many of that 70%, according to this report, were killed by fellow Christians for not taking up arms?
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Wonderful deflection.
Damn those apostates.
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No deflection at all Bells. Doesn't it undermine the claim that Christians are the most persecuted when it's fellow Christians doing the persecuting in many cases.
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do you hae any concrete examples please of these tribal conflicts?
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Good shout...never heard about this.
posted on 30/12/16
Us white Christians are the biggest discriminators.
There is a reason for Israel's existence.
And it isn't because Black people are intolerant.
It isn't because Muslims or Arabs are intolerant.
Before the rise of Imperial Israel Jewish people were actually better off in the Middle East with Muslims than they were in the Christian West.
The fact there is a conflict between Muslims and Jews now is our fault for stealing the land of Muslims to give to Jewish people, it is our discrimination to start with that lead to this greater discrimination.
The Holocaust?
White people.
Genocide of Native Americans?
White people.
The Palestinians?
Jewish people, supported by white people.
The fact we live in our rich countries mainly separated from these other groups allows us to do a great impression of being fair minded people.
But look at what we have to actually suffer from Muslims and how much discrimination we actually have against them.
Now imagine if instead of just a few Muslims moving to Britain and failing to intergrate they were coming here in their millions and stealing British land, kicking British people out of their homes to setup their own country in Britain.
Muslim discrimination against Jewish people would barely register in comparison to the reaction the British people would give!
There would actually be blood on the streets.
posted on 30/12/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Didn't trump say Obama created Isis too?
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This is the left wing propeganda way of putting what Trunmp said. The truth is that the way Obama pulled troops oput of the area left a void which ISIS filled. Better management of the withdraw of troops could have prevented the destabilising of the area that led to the rise of ISIS.
And as for the comments about Putin, I am starting to realise that Obama has led a campaign of propeganda against Putin. What we see in the mainstream media is oftena propeganda led distortion of the truth. As such it is unclear how bad he really is. What has become apparent is Obama is intent on starting a new conflict with Russia.
Fortunately Putin has refused to be drawn into it and has published a statement that he will not deport US ambassadors but will work with Trump to restore US-Russia relations. By doing this Obamas plan has backfired and world peace look like it will be maintained. If Putin was really as bad as Obama has tried to make us believe we could have been on the brink of world war 3.
I heard some right wing propeganda a while ago that Obama was going to try to manipulate world politics so he could declare an emergency and grant himself power to remain as the presiudent. What we have seen in the last week or two is making me think this could have been real.
The world as we know it is changing, the new extremists are the liberal left, forcing their views on anyone who doesnt agree with them, destroying free speech, paying protesters against Trump, etc.
To quote Lord of the Rings, "A shadow and a threat has been growing in my mind. Something draws near. I can feel it." Its the all new loony left.
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Wow people actually believe stuff like this.
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The fact he ends his conspiracy rant with a quote from a fantasy movie should tell you something
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comment by Galv's: Happy New Mike Dean (U10415)
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comment by The Year of the Ox (U7080)
posted 9 minutes ago
One of the worse things about trump is he's normalising and justifying racism and bigotry again, similar to how America was in the 50s.
It's making people feel more comfortable with holding openly racist or ignorant views. It's at a point when anyone who questions that is wrote off as a too PC, or remoaners in this country.
People with these views can have an opinion, and should be challenged in a debate. But never should any views which are simply racist be tollerated or remotely encouraged. Trump knows what he's doing, he's used genuine anger people have, and spouted simple messages that have simple and wrong solutions which basically blame foreigners. He's taken them all for a ride and appointed people who couldn't get establishment of they tried. He's not anti establishment in the slightest. He's just taken advantage of people to get power, in so doing stoked up anger and racism.
It's a shame we couldn't have a candidate who can unite a whole country by not blaming people who are no different from any other person on the street. Anger should be directed at the powerful, those banks corporations and politicians who have fecked us all throughout history , no matter what race you are. Blaming foreigners or people on benefits for our problems, will only make the powerful who have screwed us time and time again, more powerful.
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posted on 30/12/16
I don't want to copy paste that whole thing again but I want to add my as well.
The elites use much the same method empires used to control their territories, divide and conquer, when we should be united against them.
posted on 30/12/16
"Us white Christians are the biggest discriminators."
what have Christians got to do with all those stuff you listed?
posted on 30/12/16
comment by Passion Power -I'm a .....¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (U8398)
posted 1 minute ago
"Us white Christians are the biggest discriminators."
what have Christians got to do with all those stuff you listed?
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You know Europe and America are largely White and Christian right?
posted on 30/12/16
Admittedly Europe is getting less Christian these days but a fair few of the things I mentioned are from a few decades back when we were much more religious.
posted on 30/12/16
"Mr. Introvigne says about 70 percent of Christians killed in 2016 died in tribal conflicts in Aftrica--many of them Christians who refused to take up arms for reasons of conscience"
So many of that 70%, according to this report, were killed by fellow Christians for not taking up arms?
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It says nothing of the sort. Its quite clear what it says. 70% of Christians killed where killed in tribal conflicts in Africa. Of that 70% many of them did not take up arms.
You have added that it was other Christians that they were involved in the conflict with. That is not what it says. I am aware of a number of reports where Christians were not prepared to take up arms so were massacred by other groups,most often Muslim groups like Boko Haram. There were some instances of Christian against Christina violence but this was tribal based violence rather then religious based on the most part.
Here is a link on worldwide trends on reasons for Christian discrimination.
http://www.opendoorsuk.org/persecution/trends.php
posted on 30/12/16
It's funny that the same people who (rightly) hate Isis and regular Muslims on the street being lumped together will gladly lump the entire west together as white Christians.
posted on 30/12/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Passion Power -I'm a .....¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (U8398)
posted 1 minute ago
"Us white Christians are the biggest discriminators."
what have Christians got to do with all those stuff you listed?
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You know Europe and America are largely White and Christian right?
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These days in Europe
white - yes
Christian - No
posted on 30/12/16
TBH Europe as a whole is probably more Christian than anything else, whilst Britain may not be very religious somewhere like Poland is much more religious...
That said I was more referring to past events when Europe was more religious.
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It's funny that the same people who (rightly) hate Isis and regular Muslims on the street being lumped together will gladly lump the entire west together as white Christians.
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How would you describe Europeans then?
Especially considering much of what I was talking about referred to a fair few decades back....
Black Muslims?
Mixed race Jews?
No, Europe is quite clearly dominated by White Christians, less so these days but certainly back a few decades.
posted on 30/12/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 minute ago
TBH Europe as a whole is probably more Christian than anything else, whilst Britain may not be very religious somewhere like Poland is much more religious...
That said I was more referring to past events when Europe was more religious.
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It's funny that the same people who (rightly) hate Isis and regular Muslims on the street being lumped together will gladly lump the entire west together as white Christians.
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How would you describe Europeans then?
Especially considering much of what I was talking about referred to a fair few decades back....
Black Muslims?
Mixed race Jews?
No, Europe is quite clearly dominated by White Christians, less so these days but certainly back a few decades.
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Even if a country is so called "Christian" doesn't mean
that people are following Christianity.
The reason being if you go back to the root Christianity they got their name from people calling them little Jesus’s. It was actually a derogatory term, because they were so much like him.
If you look at Jesus, he was full of love, compassion, righteousness, grace...
That's why within Christianity, it's about being Christ like, and when you're not people always blurt out "and you call yourself a Christian"
posted on 30/12/16
One of the worse things about trump is he's normalising and justifying racism and bigotry again, similar to how America was in the 50s.
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There is certainly an aspect that racists and bigots are backing Trumo, but I saw a good youtube video on what Trump actually said not long ago. The media is using clips of his speeches to manipulate the impression of what he said.
I posted earlier that the media reported so it sounded like he said he did not want immigrants from the middle east as they are terrorists, rapists and murderers. When you watch the uncut version of his speech what he actually said was that hiding amongst the immigrants are terroists, rapists and murderers and he didnt want them in his country.
You just prove how easy it is for the media to manipulate those who have not learned to investigate things for themselves and work through the propeganda.
posted on 30/12/16
You seem pretty to paint 'white Christian Europe' as responsible for the discrimination when painting an entire swath of a continent is just as bad as someone saying the entire arab middle east is responsible for terrorism
posted on 30/12/16
*pretty determined to paint
posted on 30/12/16
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 4 minutes ago
One of the worse things about trump is he's normalising and justifying racism and bigotry again, similar to how America was in the 50s.
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There is certainly an aspect that racists and bigots are backing Trumo, but I saw a good youtube video on what Trump actually said not long ago. The media is using clips of his speeches to manipulate the impression of what he said.
I posted earlier that the media reported so it sounded like he said he did not want immigrants from the middle east as they are terrorists, rapists and murderers. When you watch the uncut version of his speech what he actually said was that hiding amongst the immigrants are terroists, rapists and murderers and he didnt want them in his country.
You just prove how easy it is for the media to manipulate those who have not learned to investigate things for themselves and work through the propeganda.
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Yeah you said this earlier but couldn't back it up when I asked.
Also why were both pro and anti Trump media organisations quoting the same comments by Trump. Undermines your argument no?
posted on 30/12/16
comment by Passion Power -I'm a .....¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (U8398)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 minute ago
TBH Europe as a whole is probably more Christian than anything else, whilst Britain may not be very religious somewhere like Poland is much more religious...
That said I was more referring to past events when Europe was more religious.
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It's funny that the same people who (rightly) hate Isis and regular Muslims on the street being lumped together will gladly lump the entire west together as white Christians.
..................................
How would you describe Europeans then?
Especially considering much of what I was talking about referred to a fair few decades back....
Black Muslims?
Mixed race Jews?
No, Europe is quite clearly dominated by White Christians, less so these days but certainly back a few decades.
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Even if a country is so called "Christian" doesn't mean
that people are following Christianity.
The reason being if you go back to the root Christianity they got their name from people calling them little Jesus’s. It was actually a derogatory term, because they were so much like him.
If you look at Jesus, he was full of love, compassion, righteousness, grace...
That's why within Christianity, it's about being Christ like, and when you're not people always blurt out "and you call yourself a Christian"
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I can understand that argument, although I disagree I can strongly understand the position you have on this.
I can't remember his username right now but he often makes a similar argument for Islamic terrorists not following Islam's laws so they are not actually Islamic.
It does sort of remind me of the no true scotsman fallacy though. For example, I say 'no Scots drink vodka' you show me a Scottish person drinking vodka, I say 'No true scotsman would drink vodka'
TBH Jesus I am actually a big fan of, the whole new testament is very left wing hippy if you ask me (which is close to what I am) it's just that many of his followers seem different.
posted on 30/12/16
comment by Passion Power -I'm a .....¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (U8398)
posted 44 seconds ago
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Even if a country is so called "Christian" doesn't mean
that people are following Christianity.
The reason being if you go back to the root Christianity they got their name from people calling them little Jesus’s. It was actually a derogatory term, because they were so much like him.
If you look at Jesus, he was full of love, compassion, righteousness, grace...
That's why within Christianity, it's about being Christ like, and when you're not people always blurt out "and you call yourself a Christian"
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I'm a Christian and this is pretty much how it is. One of the key principles of Christianity os peace, hence the previous comment about Christians not taking up arms in African conflicts.
Christians do more charitable work in Britain than all other groups put together. Cameron said if Christians stopped volunteering Britain would stop working. Yet we are now a minority. I have personally done volunteer work with the homeless, youth work and went to Kosovo after the war to help the Muslim victims of the so called Christian monstrosities there.
posted on 30/12/16
You seem pretty to paint 'white Christian Europe' as responsible for the discrimination when painting an entire swath of a continent is just as bad as someone saying the entire arab middle east is responsible for terrorism
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Surely saying the entirety of Europe is response for the holocaust would be the equivalent of saying the entire arab middle east is responsible for terrorism?
Claiming that those who carried out the holocaust were White Christians is probably pretty similar to claiming that those who carry out Islamic terrorism are Islamic....
Would you deny Islamic terrorists are Islamic?
They may not follow some of the rules but that is true of many religious people.
posted on 30/12/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Passion Power -I'm a .....¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (U8398)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 minute ago
TBH Europe as a whole is probably more Christian than anything else, whilst Britain may not be very religious somewhere like Poland is much more religious...
That said I was more referring to past events when Europe was more religious.
........................................
It's funny that the same people who (rightly) hate Isis and regular Muslims on the street being lumped together will gladly lump the entire west together as white Christians.
..................................
How would you describe Europeans then?
Especially considering much of what I was talking about referred to a fair few decades back....
Black Muslims?
Mixed race Jews?
No, Europe is quite clearly dominated by White Christians, less so these days but certainly back a few decades.
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Even if a country is so called "Christian" doesn't mean
that people are following Christianity.
The reason being if you go back to the root Christianity they got their name from people calling them little Jesus’s. It was actually a derogatory term, because they were so much like him.
If you look at Jesus, he was full of love, compassion, righteousness, grace...
That's why within Christianity, it's about being Christ like, and when you're not people always blurt out "and you call yourself a Christian"
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I can understand that argument, although I disagree I can strongly understand the position you have on this.
I can't remember his username right now but he often makes a similar argument for Islamic terrorists not following Islam's laws so they are not actually Islamic.
It does sort of remind me of the no true scotsman fallacy though. For example, I say 'no Scots drink vodka' you show me a Scottish person drinking vodka, I say 'No true scotsman would drink vodka'
TBH Jesus I am actually a big fan of, the whole new testament is very left wing hippy if you ask me (which is close to what I am) it's just that many of his followers seem different.
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That's my issue with Islam, no one really knows what it is to be a proper muslim?
For Christianity, you can look to Jesus
For Islam if you do the same test and look to Mohammed, them I'm really scared, as he seemed to spread his ideology with war and killing.
I think if you come to the conclusion that the New Testament and Jesus was very left (which I equate to socialism)
then I doubt you have really read it, socialism is a very anti Christian concept actually.
posted on 30/12/16
According to a survey by the Pew Research Center in 2012, found that 76.2% of Europeans considered themselves Christians
http://www.pewforum.org/2011/12/19/global-christianity-regions/#europe
posted on 30/12/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 57 seconds ago
You seem pretty to paint 'white Christian Europe' as responsible for the discrimination when painting an entire swath of a continent is just as bad as someone saying the entire arab middle east is responsible for terrorism
..........................................
Surely saying the entirety of Europe is response for the holocaust would be the equivalent of saying the entire arab middle east is responsible for terrorism?
Claiming that those who carried out the holocaust were White Christians is probably pretty similar to claiming that those who carry out Islamic terrorism are Islamic....
Would you deny Islamic terrorists are Islamic?
They may not follow some of the rules but that is true of many religious people.
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No, because as I said before those stuff go against the teachings of Christ.
Can you be so sure what the radicals are doing go against the teachings of Mohammed?
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