comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 8 minutes ago
Wasn't an elbow, it was just the momentum of the stronger player.
If someone is trying to challenge from behind it is natural to protect with you arms.
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You are so deluded it is untrue, Hazard was behind him and he swung an elbow up in to his face. The ref gave a foul.
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Droog you won the match easily. The foul didn't change much just stop being biased and stop denying what is obvious. It was a foul pal. Bringing up the elbow on your player shows you're in denial and being defensive. Alonso connected with elbow before heading the ball. %100 foul if you connect or go through another player before connecting with the ball. Come on mate
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Not at all, I find it quite rich that virtually all the pundits including Henry said it wasn't a foul and there was a clear elbow to the face of Hazard where the foul was given and it could've easily been a red.
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 16 seconds ago
Bellerin = out jumped and outmuscled. He was completely tarting about, pathetic attempt to get the ball. That's what happens if you half commit yourself to a 50/50, you get clobbered.
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Much like Gary Mabbutt v John Fashanu...
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Coquelin didn't want to get sent off.
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If that was Xhaka who did that kinda foul in the middle of the pitch it would almost certainly have been a yellow or even a red.
Against Stoke Xhaka protected the ball and caught the guy with his elbow and the ref blew up straight away for a pen.
We certainly do seem to be getting some rough decision against us. Both Xhaka reds could have been a yellow with other refs. We get pens given against us for minor touches yet our players have to be mowed down to get a pen.
Oh but we got a lucky pen against Burnley when he was offside. Yea but the clueless ref should have given us a much clearer one earlier but others seems to forget that.
Coquelin has been terrible this season. He has been responsible for a lot of goals and done very little going the other way. His disaster against Chelsea was really unexpected.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
Coquelin has been terrible this season. He has been responsible for a lot of goals and done very little going the other way. His disaster against Chelsea was really unexpected.
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Been in and out of the side, constantly playing with completely different types of CMs, it's not a surprise he's struggled a bit.
"We certainly do seem to be getting some rough decision against us. "
We got loads going for us earlier this season. I did not see anyone complaining then, only some comments saying we deserve it after apparant harsh decisions last year.
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To me, there's the angle of Arsenal being a weak team and Bellerin incident just affirms that prejudice among pundits and hence, they're in agreement that Alonso just "wanted it more". The reality in my opinion is anytime you go through a player to win the ball, whether a sliding tackle or aerial challenge, it's always a foul. Alonso had to go through Bellerin to win the ball: that is a foul. Especially in light of the fact that so much as breathing near a keeper in an aerial challenge where the keeper is not in control of the ball is often awarded as a foul.
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 31 minutes ago
Law 12.
Playing in a dangerous manner is any action that, while trying to play the
ball, threatens injure to someone (including the player themselves) and includes
preventing a nearby opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury.
As Bellerin was injured. In fact concussed it was a foul according to the rules. Tyler and Neville should really learn the rules of the game before commentating. It was one the worst punditry performances in recent history on Sky. Kind of stuff you expect from BT.
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Applying your interpretation would mean no one would ever attempt to tackle or head the ball. Just because he was injured does not mean he was fouled. Is a clash of heads a foul when two players attempt to head the ball?
Think we got some lucky decisions earlier in the season: penalty not given to Leicester; dodgy penalty against Southampton etc, but there was a ridiculous run when we conceded like 4 consecutive poor (or at best "soft" penalty decisions. Can't even remember the games, but I know our home tie with Bournemouth was in the middle of that run.
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 26 minutes ago
The consensus is if you're a neutral it's a foul, if you're a Chelsea fan spurs fan or a wenger hating fan looking for an excuse to bash your own team then it wasn't a foul. There are many fans who after initially were brainwashed by the commentary to think it wasnt a foul have had time to reasses and use their own mind
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Funny how the large majority of neutral pundits and journos concluded it was not a foul then.
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
Coquelin has been terrible this season. He has been responsible for a lot of goals and done very little going the other way. His disaster against Chelsea was really unexpected.
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Been in and out of the side, constantly playing with completely different types of CMs, it's not a surprise he's struggled a bit.
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It was quite apparent last season as well. But at least the main criticism of him was his inability to maintain passing tempo. If you think back it was the justification given by Wenger of playing Ramsey on right to augment Santi and Coq in the middle. I think this season Coquelin just hasn't kicked on. I agree its somewhat Wenger's fault for playing him in the box to box role to help in the forward press because of Ozil's reluctance to initiate physical contact. However I don't know why he has lost so much power. He was bullied by Dembele that resulted in the pen, lost a very simple challenge with Herrara that allowed the cross for Mata's goal, amongst numerous other times he has been out of position against midfield runners. Been complaining about it for months. I really wish Wenger would see these things a bit earlier. I would be tempted to play the Maitland-Niles/oxo combo at the moment.
I thought it was a foul, along made contact with his jaw before heading the ball, not intentionally but thats how you jump, and the way bellerin landed was worrying
Had ito even disallowed the I wouldn't have moaned, considering what happen to Ryan Mason
comment by SWTN Biggish (U7916)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 26 minutes ago
The consensus is if you're a neutral it's a foul, if you're a Chelsea fan spurs fan or a wenger hating fan looking for an excuse to bash your own team then it wasn't a foul. There are many fans who after initially were brainwashed by the commentary to think it wasnt a foul have had time to reasses and use their own mind
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Funny how the large majority of neutral pundits and journos concluded it was not a foul then.
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A lot of people have instant reactions because commentry. very few go back to look at it again.
https://twitter.com/7amkickoff/status/827864134444212224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
How is it not a foul from a different angle. Its not a close decision, the ref made a big mistake because he was slow on the play. He looked at his linesman to bail him out.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by SWTN Biggish (U7916)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 26 minutes ago
The consensus is if you're a neutral it's a foul, if you're a Chelsea fan spurs fan or a wenger hating fan looking for an excuse to bash your own team then it wasn't a foul. There are many fans who after initially were brainwashed by the commentary to think it wasnt a foul have had time to reasses and use their own mind
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Funny how the large majority of neutral pundits and journos concluded it was not a foul then.
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A lot of people have instant reactions because commentry. very few go back to look at it again.
https://twitter.com/7amkickoff/status/827864134444212224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
How is it not a foul from a different angle. Its not a close decision, the ref made a big mistake because he was slow on the play. He looked at his linesman to bail him out.
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The journos today on Sunday Supp all agreed no foul. That does not mean they are right, but it negates your instant reaction point.
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Well Wenger said it was obviously a foul - usually a pretty good indicator that the opposite is the case!
Looked at it again, still not a foul for me, he didn't lead with his elbow, hisarms were still up because he was still ascending and Bellerind weer descending cause he was already starting his descent
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posted on 5/2/17
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 8 minutes ago
Wasn't an elbow, it was just the momentum of the stronger player.
If someone is trying to challenge from behind it is natural to protect with you arms.
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You are so deluded it is untrue, Hazard was behind him and he swung an elbow up in to his face. The ref gave a foul.
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Droog you won the match easily. The foul didn't change much just stop being biased and stop denying what is obvious. It was a foul pal. Bringing up the elbow on your player shows you're in denial and being defensive. Alonso connected with elbow before heading the ball. %100 foul if you connect or go through another player before connecting with the ball. Come on mate
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Not at all, I find it quite rich that virtually all the pundits including Henry said it wasn't a foul and there was a clear elbow to the face of Hazard where the foul was given and it could've easily been a red.
posted on 5/2/17
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 16 seconds ago
Bellerin = out jumped and outmuscled. He was completely tarting about, pathetic attempt to get the ball. That's what happens if you half commit yourself to a 50/50, you get clobbered.
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Much like Gary Mabbutt v John Fashanu...
posted on 5/2/17
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posted on 5/2/17
Coquelin didn't want to get sent off.
posted on 5/2/17
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posted on 5/2/17
If that was Xhaka who did that kinda foul in the middle of the pitch it would almost certainly have been a yellow or even a red.
Against Stoke Xhaka protected the ball and caught the guy with his elbow and the ref blew up straight away for a pen.
We certainly do seem to be getting some rough decision against us. Both Xhaka reds could have been a yellow with other refs. We get pens given against us for minor touches yet our players have to be mowed down to get a pen.
Oh but we got a lucky pen against Burnley when he was offside. Yea but the clueless ref should have given us a much clearer one earlier but others seems to forget that.
posted on 5/2/17
Coquelin has been terrible this season. He has been responsible for a lot of goals and done very little going the other way. His disaster against Chelsea was really unexpected.
posted on 5/2/17
*wasn't.
posted on 5/2/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
Coquelin has been terrible this season. He has been responsible for a lot of goals and done very little going the other way. His disaster against Chelsea was really unexpected.
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Been in and out of the side, constantly playing with completely different types of CMs, it's not a surprise he's struggled a bit.
posted on 5/2/17
"We certainly do seem to be getting some rough decision against us. "
We got loads going for us earlier this season. I did not see anyone complaining then, only some comments saying we deserve it after apparant harsh decisions last year.
posted on 5/2/17
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posted on 5/2/17
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posted on 5/2/17
To me, there's the angle of Arsenal being a weak team and Bellerin incident just affirms that prejudice among pundits and hence, they're in agreement that Alonso just "wanted it more". The reality in my opinion is anytime you go through a player to win the ball, whether a sliding tackle or aerial challenge, it's always a foul. Alonso had to go through Bellerin to win the ball: that is a foul. Especially in light of the fact that so much as breathing near a keeper in an aerial challenge where the keeper is not in control of the ball is often awarded as a foul.
posted on 5/2/17
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posted on 5/2/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 31 minutes ago
Law 12.
Playing in a dangerous manner is any action that, while trying to play the
ball, threatens injure to someone (including the player themselves) and includes
preventing a nearby opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury.
As Bellerin was injured. In fact concussed it was a foul according to the rules. Tyler and Neville should really learn the rules of the game before commentating. It was one the worst punditry performances in recent history on Sky. Kind of stuff you expect from BT.
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Applying your interpretation would mean no one would ever attempt to tackle or head the ball. Just because he was injured does not mean he was fouled. Is a clash of heads a foul when two players attempt to head the ball?
posted on 5/2/17
Think we got some lucky decisions earlier in the season: penalty not given to Leicester; dodgy penalty against Southampton etc, but there was a ridiculous run when we conceded like 4 consecutive poor (or at best "soft" penalty decisions. Can't even remember the games, but I know our home tie with Bournemouth was in the middle of that run.
posted on 5/2/17
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 26 minutes ago
The consensus is if you're a neutral it's a foul, if you're a Chelsea fan spurs fan or a wenger hating fan looking for an excuse to bash your own team then it wasn't a foul. There are many fans who after initially were brainwashed by the commentary to think it wasnt a foul have had time to reasses and use their own mind
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Funny how the large majority of neutral pundits and journos concluded it was not a foul then.
posted on 5/2/17
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
Coquelin has been terrible this season. He has been responsible for a lot of goals and done very little going the other way. His disaster against Chelsea was really unexpected.
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Been in and out of the side, constantly playing with completely different types of CMs, it's not a surprise he's struggled a bit.
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It was quite apparent last season as well. But at least the main criticism of him was his inability to maintain passing tempo. If you think back it was the justification given by Wenger of playing Ramsey on right to augment Santi and Coq in the middle. I think this season Coquelin just hasn't kicked on. I agree its somewhat Wenger's fault for playing him in the box to box role to help in the forward press because of Ozil's reluctance to initiate physical contact. However I don't know why he has lost so much power. He was bullied by Dembele that resulted in the pen, lost a very simple challenge with Herrara that allowed the cross for Mata's goal, amongst numerous other times he has been out of position against midfield runners. Been complaining about it for months. I really wish Wenger would see these things a bit earlier. I would be tempted to play the Maitland-Niles/oxo combo at the moment.
posted on 5/2/17
Give it a rest ffs
posted on 5/2/17
I thought it was a foul, along made contact with his jaw before heading the ball, not intentionally but thats how you jump, and the way bellerin landed was worrying
Had ito even disallowed the I wouldn't have moaned, considering what happen to Ryan Mason
posted on 5/2/17
comment by SWTN Biggish (U7916)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 26 minutes ago
The consensus is if you're a neutral it's a foul, if you're a Chelsea fan spurs fan or a wenger hating fan looking for an excuse to bash your own team then it wasn't a foul. There are many fans who after initially were brainwashed by the commentary to think it wasnt a foul have had time to reasses and use their own mind
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Funny how the large majority of neutral pundits and journos concluded it was not a foul then.
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A lot of people have instant reactions because commentry. very few go back to look at it again.
https://twitter.com/7amkickoff/status/827864134444212224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
How is it not a foul from a different angle. Its not a close decision, the ref made a big mistake because he was slow on the play. He looked at his linesman to bail him out.
posted on 5/2/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by SWTN Biggish (U7916)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 26 minutes ago
The consensus is if you're a neutral it's a foul, if you're a Chelsea fan spurs fan or a wenger hating fan looking for an excuse to bash your own team then it wasn't a foul. There are many fans who after initially were brainwashed by the commentary to think it wasnt a foul have had time to reasses and use their own mind
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Funny how the large majority of neutral pundits and journos concluded it was not a foul then.
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A lot of people have instant reactions because commentry. very few go back to look at it again.
https://twitter.com/7amkickoff/status/827864134444212224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
How is it not a foul from a different angle. Its not a close decision, the ref made a big mistake because he was slow on the play. He looked at his linesman to bail him out.
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The journos today on Sunday Supp all agreed no foul. That does not mean they are right, but it negates your instant reaction point.
posted on 5/2/17
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posted on 5/2/17
Well Wenger said it was obviously a foul - usually a pretty good indicator that the opposite is the case!
posted on 5/2/17
Looked at it again, still not a foul for me, he didn't lead with his elbow, hisarms were still up because he was still ascending and Bellerind weer descending cause he was already starting his descent
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