And you have any evidence to back up your conspiracy theory ?

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Wouldn't believe a word from Hayes mouth, he hasn't been a good fighter in years, he got schooled in his last decent competitive fight by Klit spending more time on his knees in that fight than a manc hooker on a sat night, guys a fraud now

Shock horror he got beat on points by the most dominant heavyweight we've seen in world boxing since Lewis.

haye is defo in it for the money but that doesn't change the fact he's going to annihilate bellew on Saturday night, I mean the "midget" Stevenson ko'd bellew, haye wills seriously hurt him

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comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shock horror he got beat on points by the most dominant heavyweight we've seen in world boxing since Lewis.
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he talked so much trash (yes it's part of the game) but he went so far then spent the fight on his knees and then even worse took out his toe, VK referring to it as a bee sting was

Great curiserweight 10 years ago no doubt, never been a proper heavyweight, ghas fought trash since Klit but claims he's this and that.

He's been in Miami without McGuigan for months, what kind of a camp is that without his coach?

Still fancy Haye to win as he's the heavier man, but they're both 6'3 and Bellew can punch, also Bellew is a proven 12 round fighter, I don't think Haye has more then 6 in him, he will struggle if it goes into the second half of the fight.

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Haye doesn't need a coach. Just like Mayweather didn't need a coach in his latter years. He hired him to help with strength and conditioning imo.

As Shane went off and studied it.

comment by The Guvnor- loves a bit of angry dragon in the... (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 21 minutes ago
Wouldn't believe a word from Hayes mouth, he hasn't been a good fighter in years, he got schooled in his last decent competitive fight by Klit spending more time on his knees in that fight than a manc hooker on a sat night, guys a fraud now
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Whether he is a fraud or not,the skills and tools he brings to the table are very real. Speed,power and experience. You can't fake those, you ether have them or you do not.
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He had them 100%, my question is does he still have them? He loosk great, I also thought his recent pad work was impressive especially in terms of his power,but sure anyone can look good on the pads.

and this fight may not really answer these questions either as he's expected to KO TB easily, if he does the question remains can he do that to a natural heavyweight like AJ / Wilder etc.

I have plenty of respect for Haye's skills, well I had when he was a top cruiser, but he's never convinced at heavy weight, this fight is what it is, a grudge match, should eb entertaining but answers very little really if Haye wins, but tells us all if he loses, which I really, really hope he does.

comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 12 minutes ago
Haye doesn't need a coach. Just like Mayweather didn't need a coach in his latter years. He hired him to help with strength and conditioning imo.
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Come on Mr C Haye and Mayweather are not comparable, you're talking about one of the most natural and gifted fighters the sport has ever seen v a top class (for a period) fighter but will never be considered close to being one of the great boxers.

It's like comparing Madrid to Milwall

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TB is defo winning the mental fight in the build up, he's been honest throughout and praised Haye for his previous achievements, Haye has just been a cant as usual, not even the slightest respect for a boxer who won the same title Haye himself held at one stage, when TB said there's only one world champion at this table Haye had nothing to say back, then hate at the press conference was a sure sign he's rattled

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 12 minutes ago
Haye doesn't need a coach. Just like Mayweather didn't need a coach in his latter years. He hired him to help with strength and conditioning imo.
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Come on Mr C Haye and Mayweather are not comparable, you're talking about one of the most natural and gifted fighters the sport has ever seen v a top class (for a period) fighter but will never be considered close to being one of the great boxers.

It's like comparing Madrid to Milwall
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Yeah i wasn't comparing abilities though. You've done that yourself kneerash to counter a point I didn't even make

I'm taking about the need for a coach. David doesn't need one because he's been around the game long enough to know his own body and what works. Do you really think Mcguigan is teaching an old dog like Haye new tricks?

C'mon Bellew, smash that bíítche's face!!!!

comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 12 minutes ago
Haye doesn't need a coach. Just like Mayweather didn't need a coach in his latter years. He hired him to help with strength and conditioning imo.
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Come on Mr C Haye and Mayweather are not comparable, you're talking about one of the most natural and gifted fighters the sport has ever seen v a top class (for a period) fighter but will never be considered close to being one of the great boxers.

It's like comparing Madrid to Milwall
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Yeah i wasn't comparing abilities though. You've done that yourself kneerash to counter a point I didn't even make

I'm taking about the need for a coach. David doesn't need one because he's been around the game long enough to know his own body and what works. Do you really think Mcguigan is teaching an old dog like Haye new tricks?
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Totally disagree every boxer needs a coach and a game plan, maybe the very very best can get away with it but Haye isn't that, to me it smacks of disrespect towards his opponent.

What you're saying is Haye is too good to require a coach? Would you say the same is he was fighting AJ or Klit from a few years ago or is it just because he's fighting TB?

And yes every boxer is still learning throughout their career, heard so many say this, and from the mouths of far better boxers than David Haye.

He's not good enough to rip up a proven training method in a 12 week camp with your coach working on the tiny details of how to beat your opponent.

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comment by The Guvnor- loves a bit of angry dragon in the... (U12889)
posted 17 seconds ago
This Haye in Miami story has been over hyped and blown out of proportion.

Those that don't like him will claim he's lying in the sun all day whilst those that are actually objective will know that we don't have a clue what he's doing.

This whole notion of him being away from Shane is flawed. Khan spends time away from Hunter, Manny spends half his time in another country, Marcos Maidana spent half his training camp in Argentina away from his trainer in the lead up to the Mayweather fight.

Haye is a veteran at this level. He knows his strengths and weaknesses. Booth made him, all Shane does is hold the pads.


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Agree it has been made out to be bigger than it is, however disagree that he doesn't need Shane bar the last week or 2, even in the examples you give above these fightes spent far more time working on a game plan than Haye and Shane seem to have.

Like I said I do expect Haye to win, but he certainly seems to be taking TB lightly, TB is by far the bext boxer Haye has fought since Klit, he's got power too but Haye is too dismissive IMO.

I did laugh when Haye said you don't have to be jobbing in the rain etc. He's right you don't, but just using your coach to hold the pads v a world champion at your natural weight (Haye ain't no modern heavyweight) is a huge risk.

jogging not jobbing

to the Haye fans here, do you all really think Haye is a top Heavy weight, and should he win on Sat has the ability to unify the heavy weight division?

As that is his stated ambition.

Haye v AJ right now, who you think wins?

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Need to see how AJ does vs Wlad first, he's not really been tested either since Haye came back on the scene.

Would fancy Haye to beat Whyte in a similar manner to how AJ did.

Or Haye v Wilder?

Would really like to see this fight as should Haye win on Sat it's a proper challenge for him, he's got his ranking back too so could happen although loits of red tape and also higher ranked fighters must be considered.

comment by The Guvnor- loves a bit of angry dragon in the... (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
Haye might be taking Bellew lightly but I'd wager that both him and shane have come up with a game plan for Bellew. Despite not spending much time together, how do we know Shane hasn't given him instructions whilst he's been in Miami? For all we know, Haye might have been doing strength and conditioning all this time in Miami.
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Good point, they have to have been talking, although Haye seems so dismissive I'd say he is only looking at an early KO and not contemplating beyond 3 rounds, which is risky IMO.

Haye has been working out in the 5th St Gym (is that it) in Miami so I'd imagine he's had some decent sparring there.