comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set... (U5117)
posted 47 seconds ago
There are loads of people struggling to survive out there that do not resort to crime.

No matter how desperate the situation it is still an excuse the choose an option that leads to ruining people's lives.

Allowing these excuses as a get out can lead to anarchy.

Yes I believe a young kind should be given another chance but the punishment should still come first and should still be harsh.


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I'd argue no matter what the community if it's poor then crime is a chosen route for many.

To suggest a first time offense shoudl lead to 30 years in prison is not the way to solve this problem.

Rich boy problems.
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So them making money to surive themselves is more importnat than the lives they ruin?

is that what youre saying? because if you are youre a cunnnt

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comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 25 seconds ago
decided to sell drugs to get the money for this, he deserves life in prison yeah
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if that drug was crack or heroin? 10000%
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only thing I can do here really when faced with such blatant ignorance.

This kid isn't going out to "destroy" lives, he is seeing this as the only real viable opportunity he has to make a life for himself,
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what he sets out to do and what he ends up doing are not the same and it involes ruining more lives than the one he was trying to make a life for. feck that kid.

comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
Rich boy problems.
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So them making money to surive themselves is more importnat than the lives they ruin?

is that what youre saying? because if you are youre a cunnnt
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You're just thick as shiiit mate as you haven't understood a word people have tried to explain to you.

only thing I can do here really when faced with such blatant ignorance.
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you support drug dealing, peope ruining others lives, death by OD etc,

we get it, your a cunntt.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)

I'd argue no matter what the community if it's poor then crime is a chosen route for many.

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So the many are choosing crime? The many with the same education?

It's not the many its a minority, and punishment should be part of a resolution.

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
Rich boy problems.
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So them making money to surive themselves is more importnat than the lives they ruin?

is that what youre saying? because if you are youre a cunnnt
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You're just thick as shiiit mate as you haven't understood a word people have tried to explain to you.
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I have and understood and dismissed it as fecking nonsense that it is.

comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set! (U5117)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)

I'd argue no matter what the community if it's poor then crime is a chosen route for many.

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So the many are choosing crime? The many with the same education?

It's not the many its a minority, and punishment should be part of a resolution.
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Cos they don't really know any better. There are a lack of role models in their communities and the only kids their age they see with the kind of money that they dream of having are the kids in gangs/drugdealers. With better education & community support they can learn of the value of playing the long game, like middle class children have. Plus with uni/college fees being so unfairly high over there it helps keeps the rich rich and poor poor.

kneerash you're right to an extent but you're painting a very bias picture. White people live in poverty too and other communities. Do you think culture that makes dealing cool and gangster has anything to do with it, or glorfying hustling, getting money, violence, guns, drugs etc. Not denying there are historic problems and also racism in society but listen if you always make someone feel like they're a victim and to blame other people for their problems then it's less likely that person will succeed.

comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 2 minutes ago
only thing I can do here really when faced with such blatant ignorance.
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you support drug dealing, peope ruining others lives, death by OD etc,

we get it, your a cunntt.
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I am clearly not supporting it, I'm actually doing the complete opposite and looking at why the problme actually exists and what can be done to try and stop this kid ever having to resort to selling in the first place.

It's far more c*ntish to say lock them up

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set! (U5117)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)

I'd argue no matter what the community if it's poor then crime is a chosen route for many.

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So the many are choosing crime? The many with the same education?

It's not the many its a minority, and punishment should be part of a resolution.
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Cos they don't really know any better. There are a lack of role models in their communities and the only kids their age they see with the kind of money that they dream of having are the kids in gangs/drugdealers. With better education & community support they can learn of the value of playing the long game, like middle class children have. Plus with uni/college fees being so unfairly high over there it helps keeps the rich rich and poor poor.
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The point is the majority of their peers do know better otherwise there would be complete anarchy. Crime should not pay and those that persevere on the right side of their community and law should be at the front of the queue for any support.

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 31 seconds ago
kneerash you're right to an extent but you're painting a very bias picture. White people live in poverty too and other communities. Do you think culture that makes dealing cool and gangster has anything to do with it, or glorfying hustling, getting money, violence, guns, drugs etc. Not denying there are historic problems and also racism in society but listen if you always make someone feel like they're a victim and to blame other people for their problems then it's less likely that person will succeed.
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Valid point 8bit, but poor white people sell plenty of drugs too look at say Boston as an example and the poor Irish neighbourhoods there, plenty of young white kids selling drugs too.

I've said a few times it's not about race it's about class, the US system is not designed to help the poor community rise out of the situation it finds itself in today, and for me this is the fundamental issue and arguably one of America's biggest problems.

Like hillbillies brew illegal moonshine, basically the exact same thing as the balck community and crack, but more peolel die from alcohol than drugs annually.

comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set... (U5117)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set! (U5117)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)

I'd argue no matter what the community if it's poor then crime is a chosen route for many.

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So the many are choosing crime? The many with the same education?

It's not the many its a minority, and punishment should be part of a resolution.
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Cos they don't really know any better. There are a lack of role models in their communities and the only kids their age they see with the kind of money that they dream of having are the kids in gangs/drugdealers. With better education & community support they can learn of the value of playing the long game, like middle class children have. Plus with uni/college fees being so unfairly high over there it helps keeps the rich rich and poor poor.
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The point is the majority of their peers do know better otherwise there would be complete anarchy. Crime should not pay and those that persevere on the right side of their community and law should be at the front of the queue for any support.
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That's an excellent point mate

comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set! (U5117)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set! (U5117)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)

I'd argue no matter what the community if it's poor then crime is a chosen route for many.

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So the many are choosing crime? The many with the same education?

It's not the many its a minority, and punishment should be part of a resolution.
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Cos they don't really know any better. There are a lack of role models in their communities and the only kids their age they see with the kind of money that they dream of having are the kids in gangs/drugdealers. With better education & community support they can learn of the value of playing the long game, like middle class children have. Plus with uni/college fees being so unfairly high over there it helps keeps the rich rich and poor poor.
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The point is the majority of their peers do know better otherwise there would be complete anarchy. Crime should not pay and those that persevere on the right side of their community and law should be at the front of the queue for any support.
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Obviously crime shouldn't pay, but there is a reason why people end up the way they are. Nurture over nature, if the education systems and social supports where perfect then there wouldn't the issue there is.

The hope is that the people on the right side of the law, who have chosen the harder route to pull themselves out of poverty can inspire.

I should caveat all the above I've said that the kid I refer to has chosen what he sees as the easy option when presented with it, quick money.


Instead of chosing the hard graft required to get out of the life he was born in to, again like I said the community itself does very little as a group to try improve their lot, which is sad.

Problem is the issues are now in a cycle or offend, parole repeat offend, the real issues are not being tackled correctly and so the cycle will continue to repeat.

The War on Drugs has failed at every level, time to completley reassess and take a new path.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 2 minutes ago
only thing I can do here really when faced with such blatant ignorance.
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you support drug dealing, peope ruining others lives, death by OD etc,

we get it, your a cunntt.
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I am clearly not supporting it, I'm actually doing the complete opposite and looking at why the problme actually exists and what can be done to try and stop this kid ever having to resort to selling in the first place.

It's far more c*ntish to say lock them up
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For making the choice to ruin people's lives? Are you mental?

only thing I can do here really when faced with such blatant ignorance.
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you support drug dealing, peope ruining others lives, death by OD etc,

we get it, your a cunntt.
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I am clearly not supporting it, I'm actually doing the complete opposite and looking at why the problme actually exists and what can be done to try and stop this kid ever having to resort to selling in the first place.

It's far more c*ntish to say lock them up
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For making the choice to ruin people's lives? Are you mental?
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I think Kneerash is trying to say that if the government helped out more with the people that are taking the drugs and 'ruining their own lives', the dealers would have no one to sell to and hence have to make money another way. But that doesnt fit it to their plans? Also, where do you think crack came from? And how did it infect the ghettos so bad?

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
The hope is that the people on the right side of the law, who have chosen the harder route to pull themselves out of poverty can inspire.

I should caveat all the above I've said that the kid I refer to has chosen what he sees as the easy option when presented with it, quick money.


Instead of chosing the hard graft required to get out of the life he was born in to, again like I said the community itself does very little as a group to try improve their lot, which is sad.

Problem is the issues are now in a cycle or offend, parole repeat offend, the real issues are not being tackled correctly and so the cycle will continue to repeat.

The War on Drugs has failed at every level, time to completley reassess and take a new path.
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comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
blm can beat up some white people to even it out
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They already killed 5 cops. Just before Obama invited them to the White House.

They have so much hate for Trump but Obama didn't do much to help them. There's black Americans who think he's a sell out and did nothing for them. If Trump goes through with his plans to invest in infrastructure, inner cities and keeps creating jobs at the rate he is then he'll proabbly do more for the black community there then any of the past presidents in my lifetime.

Obama did help, his biggest flaws were helping create ISIS.

As to the article.. There are undeniable truths to what Trump said. However, choosing to voice it in the way he did was foolhardy, impolitic and insensitive. A president cannot, under any circumstances, put him/herself in a position where they can be perceived to be demonstrating an iota of sympathy for the abhorrent racist and nationalist groups.

The so-called alt-left does have elements (antifa & BLM) that need calling out an dealing with, but in this instance their reaction to the events in Chatlottesville is completely justified.

As far as I am concerned, there's no such thing as a peaceful national socialist/KKK protest, and freedom of speech should not extend to those people.

This is the problem with a tolerant liberal society; groups like the KKK and ISIS-sympathizing groups feel empowered to spout their bile publicly on our streets.

This did get way side tracked

AFC yes that's basically my point, it's supply and demand I guess, while the desire to do drugs is there, and they're illegal then the situation we see will always be there.

And the desire to drugs will always be there, has been since the day someone saw a weed plant and said I'll smoke that and see what happens, it's inherently in us as humans, look no farther than booze, UK / Irish culture is built around booze, it's one of the most core elements of our society, we as a species will abuse things that we enjoy, food, s*x, drugs etc. all similar in terms of how we relate to them, when we can the majority will take to excess.

But booze is a good old taxable drug, it really really grates me that people can be so dismissive of a drug addict but will empathize with an alcoholic.

Now I'll openly admit to being a regular drug taker, have no qualms about it either, I do coke, MDMA, Acid regulary and smoke weed, will be going picking mushrooms in a few eeks too, my favourite time of year

But I'm lucky to be born into the middle class and therefore had far more opportunities open to me, so my taking drugs is a choice from a social perspective, I enjoy it and selling them was never something I cinsidered or would ever have had to do as I was lucky to get a good education etc. growing up.