comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CFC: FFP Champions (U20729)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
jesus christ, what an idiot.
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They don't even remotely look like each other. And different playing styles too
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Ah Romario, didn't they call him the black panther?
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Yes, and Eusebio was superb in Cruyff's Blaugranas
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not really, just clearly angry again considering you've lost it over me making an error.
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"clearly"
"lost it"
"angry"
Are you high?
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6th 'calm' Nick comment since the idiot . Probably wound up from his club calling him out for his chanting
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not really, just clearly angry again considering you've lost it over me making an error.
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"clearly"
"lost it"
"angry"
Are you high?
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6th 'calm' Nick comment since the idiot. Probably wound up from his club calling him out for his chanting
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Yet again
...so first wound up, then angry, and now fabricating things.
When you know you are a lost soul. Clutching at them straws. Strange little man.
CFC. I'll never forget Eusebio lining up in that shirt, He'll live long in barca legend with messi, cruyff, rivaldo and co.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
Never forget the image of eusebio lifting the world cup.
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Incredible achievement, Eusebio winning the World Cup at the age of 52
and as captain nonetheless.
Puts stanley matthews to shame
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
and as captain nonetheless.
Puts stanley matthews to shame
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On the other end of the scale, you also have to credit Romario for reaching a World Cup semi-final, aged six months old
comment by CFC: FFP Champions (U20729)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
and as captain nonetheless.
Puts stanley matthews to shame
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On the other end of the scale, you also have to credit Romario for reaching a World Cup semi-final, aged six months old
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quality.
I wish greavesie could be alive to read this
I miss Hamann and Hyypia. And Garcia
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 20 hours, 9 minutes ago
How is 3-5-2 more attacking than 4-4-2?
Teams are trying to suffocate the opposition by playing an extra defender. Its no surprise that an Italian started this fashion. We are now all trying to play the awful Italian system. Only one step from from the truly boring catenaccio that destroyed Italian football.
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It is not a case of simply putting another defender in.
In Spurs case - last season anyway, and when Rose and Aurier play this season - it is a way freeing players up a bit.
The outside CBs are comfortable on the ball. They often act as your traditional fullbacks would, defending and attacking.
If you have two attacking fullbacks they are freed up by this to stay further up. Our fullbacks had higher average positions than the forwards in some games last year. They play like wingers.
So while you lose a player behind the striker - 2 instead of 3 - there is little need or expectation on them to pull wide as there is in the latter, they have much more freedom to go where they please to support the striker.
3421 or 5221 defending.
Often 3223 or 3241 attacking.
As with any system, the players shape it.
Put more defensively-minded fullbacks in, or centre-backs not comfortable on the ball, and it becomes quite a rigid, defensive system
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 20 hours, 9 minutes ago
How is 3-5-2 more attacking than 4-4-2?
Teams are trying to suffocate the opposition by playing an extra defender. Its no surprise that an Italian started this fashion. We are now all trying to play the awful Italian system. Only one step from from the truly boring catenaccio that destroyed Italian football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As with any system, the players shape it.
Put more defensively-minded fullbacks in, or centre-backs not comfortable on the ball, and it becomes quite a rigid, defensive system
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I don't buy the argument that playing your fullbacks slightly higher up means the formation is suddenly an attacking one. Even your most attacking fullback is more defensive than the most hard working winger. Essentially its about the starting positions. And a wing back is starting deeper than a wide player in front of a traditional fullback in a back 4.
In my opinion 3 at the back is a reaction to 4-2-3-1. The success of Barcelona and Real Madrid have created a type of player. The wide attacker. Wing players are expected to cut into the box as a striker would. That means they can't get back to protect their full back because they are playing slightly higher and more centrally than a traditional winger. As a result full backs have been exposed. As a reaction to this the more defensive managers have added the extra centre back to cover for their deficiency. Good fullbacks have always been able to defend one-on-one and shouldn't need their winger to protect them any way. Danny Rose, Walker, Bellerin, Monreal, Clichy, etc. are all poor defending when they are isolated.
I think any team playing 3 at the back would be destroyed by Barca or Madrid.
Depends on the team really, with us last season it allowed our two fullbacks to act as wingers; allowed our back line to play more aggressively and higher up the pitch which worked as they are our best creators from deep, and allowed our attacking three to play higher up the pitch as well.
Only the midfield looks more negative due to the formation change.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 20 hours, 9 minutes ago
How is 3-5-2 more attacking than 4-4-2?
Teams are trying to suffocate the opposition by playing an extra defender. Its no surprise that an Italian started this fashion. We are now all trying to play the awful Italian system. Only one step from from the truly boring catenaccio that destroyed Italian football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As with any system, the players shape it.
Put more defensively-minded fullbacks in, or centre-backs not comfortable on the ball, and it becomes quite a rigid, defensive system
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't buy the argument that playing your fullbacks slightly higher up means the formation is suddenly an attacking one. Even your most attacking fullback is more defensive than the most hard working winger. Essentially its about the starting positions. And a wing back is starting deeper than a wide player in front of a traditional fullback in a back 4.
In my opinion 3 at the back is a reaction to 4-2-3-1. The success of Barcelona and Real Madrid have created a type of player. The wide attacker. Wing players are expected to cut into the box as a striker would. That means they can't get back to protect their full back because they are playing slightly higher and more centrally than a traditional winger. As a result full backs have been exposed. As a reaction to this the more defensive managers have added the extra centre back to cover for their deficiency. Good fullbacks have always been able to defend one-on-one and shouldn't need their winger to protect them any way. Danny Rose, Walker, Bellerin, Monreal, Clichy, etc. are all poor defending when they are isolated.
I think any team playing 3 at the back would be destroyed by Barca or Madrid.
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We had the joint-best defence and best attack in the prior season playing 4231, our switch had nothing to do with protecting Rose and Walker in the slightest. They had fantastic seasons in a back four.
We had two fantastic fullbacks who were great at pinning back the opposition fullbacks, and freed up from a lot of defensive duties it allowed them to do so more effectively.
We also have two amazing, but stylistically different #10s in Alli and Eriksen. Rather than shunt one 'wide', it allowed us to play both where they cause most damage, in and around Kane.
While other sides may have gone to 3 at the back to shore up a leaky defence, ours was simply playing to our strengths. Our squad is made for it.
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posted on 11/9/17
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CFC: FFP Champions (U20729)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
jesus christ, what an idiot.
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They don't even remotely look like each other. And different playing styles too
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Ah Romario, didn't they call him the black panther?
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Yes, and Eusebio was superb in Cruyff's Blaugranas
posted on 11/9/17
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not really, just clearly angry again considering you've lost it over me making an error.
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"clearly"
"lost it"
"angry"
Are you high?
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6th 'calm' Nick comment since the idiot . Probably wound up from his club calling him out for his chanting
posted on 11/9/17
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not really, just clearly angry again considering you've lost it over me making an error.
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"clearly"
"lost it"
"angry"
Are you high?
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6th 'calm' Nick comment since the idiot. Probably wound up from his club calling him out for his chanting
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Yet again
posted on 11/9/17
...so first wound up, then angry, and now fabricating things.
When you know you are a lost soul. Clutching at them straws. Strange little man.
CFC. I'll never forget Eusebio lining up in that shirt, He'll live long in barca legend with messi, cruyff, rivaldo and co.
posted on 11/9/17
Poor angry nick
posted on 11/9/17
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
Never forget the image of eusebio lifting the world cup.
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Incredible achievement, Eusebio winning the World Cup at the age of 52
posted on 11/9/17
Ffs
posted on 11/9/17
and as captain nonetheless.
Puts stanley matthews to shame
posted on 11/9/17
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
and as captain nonetheless.
Puts stanley matthews to shame
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On the other end of the scale, you also have to credit Romario for reaching a World Cup semi-final, aged six months old
posted on 11/9/17
comment by CFC: FFP Champions (U20729)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
and as captain nonetheless.
Puts stanley matthews to shame
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On the other end of the scale, you also have to credit Romario for reaching a World Cup semi-final, aged six months old
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quality.
posted on 11/9/17
I wish greavesie could be alive to read this
posted on 11/9/17
posted on 11/9/17
Chelsea fans in trouble
posted on 11/9/17
I miss Hamann and Hyypia. And Garcia
posted on 12/9/17
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posted on 12/9/17
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posted on 12/9/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 20 hours, 9 minutes ago
How is 3-5-2 more attacking than 4-4-2?
Teams are trying to suffocate the opposition by playing an extra defender. Its no surprise that an Italian started this fashion. We are now all trying to play the awful Italian system. Only one step from from the truly boring catenaccio that destroyed Italian football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is not a case of simply putting another defender in.
In Spurs case - last season anyway, and when Rose and Aurier play this season - it is a way freeing players up a bit.
The outside CBs are comfortable on the ball. They often act as your traditional fullbacks would, defending and attacking.
If you have two attacking fullbacks they are freed up by this to stay further up. Our fullbacks had higher average positions than the forwards in some games last year. They play like wingers.
So while you lose a player behind the striker - 2 instead of 3 - there is little need or expectation on them to pull wide as there is in the latter, they have much more freedom to go where they please to support the striker.
3421 or 5221 defending.
Often 3223 or 3241 attacking.
As with any system, the players shape it.
Put more defensively-minded fullbacks in, or centre-backs not comfortable on the ball, and it becomes quite a rigid, defensive system
posted on 12/9/17
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 20 hours, 9 minutes ago
How is 3-5-2 more attacking than 4-4-2?
Teams are trying to suffocate the opposition by playing an extra defender. Its no surprise that an Italian started this fashion. We are now all trying to play the awful Italian system. Only one step from from the truly boring catenaccio that destroyed Italian football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As with any system, the players shape it.
Put more defensively-minded fullbacks in, or centre-backs not comfortable on the ball, and it becomes quite a rigid, defensive system
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't buy the argument that playing your fullbacks slightly higher up means the formation is suddenly an attacking one. Even your most attacking fullback is more defensive than the most hard working winger. Essentially its about the starting positions. And a wing back is starting deeper than a wide player in front of a traditional fullback in a back 4.
In my opinion 3 at the back is a reaction to 4-2-3-1. The success of Barcelona and Real Madrid have created a type of player. The wide attacker. Wing players are expected to cut into the box as a striker would. That means they can't get back to protect their full back because they are playing slightly higher and more centrally than a traditional winger. As a result full backs have been exposed. As a reaction to this the more defensive managers have added the extra centre back to cover for their deficiency. Good fullbacks have always been able to defend one-on-one and shouldn't need their winger to protect them any way. Danny Rose, Walker, Bellerin, Monreal, Clichy, etc. are all poor defending when they are isolated.
I think any team playing 3 at the back would be destroyed by Barca or Madrid.
posted on 12/9/17
Depends on the team really, with us last season it allowed our two fullbacks to act as wingers; allowed our back line to play more aggressively and higher up the pitch which worked as they are our best creators from deep, and allowed our attacking three to play higher up the pitch as well.
Only the midfield looks more negative due to the formation change.
posted on 12/9/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 20 hours, 9 minutes ago
How is 3-5-2 more attacking than 4-4-2?
Teams are trying to suffocate the opposition by playing an extra defender. Its no surprise that an Italian started this fashion. We are now all trying to play the awful Italian system. Only one step from from the truly boring catenaccio that destroyed Italian football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As with any system, the players shape it.
Put more defensively-minded fullbacks in, or centre-backs not comfortable on the ball, and it becomes quite a rigid, defensive system
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't buy the argument that playing your fullbacks slightly higher up means the formation is suddenly an attacking one. Even your most attacking fullback is more defensive than the most hard working winger. Essentially its about the starting positions. And a wing back is starting deeper than a wide player in front of a traditional fullback in a back 4.
In my opinion 3 at the back is a reaction to 4-2-3-1. The success of Barcelona and Real Madrid have created a type of player. The wide attacker. Wing players are expected to cut into the box as a striker would. That means they can't get back to protect their full back because they are playing slightly higher and more centrally than a traditional winger. As a result full backs have been exposed. As a reaction to this the more defensive managers have added the extra centre back to cover for their deficiency. Good fullbacks have always been able to defend one-on-one and shouldn't need their winger to protect them any way. Danny Rose, Walker, Bellerin, Monreal, Clichy, etc. are all poor defending when they are isolated.
I think any team playing 3 at the back would be destroyed by Barca or Madrid.
--------------------------
We had the joint-best defence and best attack in the prior season playing 4231, our switch had nothing to do with protecting Rose and Walker in the slightest. They had fantastic seasons in a back four.
We had two fantastic fullbacks who were great at pinning back the opposition fullbacks, and freed up from a lot of defensive duties it allowed them to do so more effectively.
We also have two amazing, but stylistically different #10s in Alli and Eriksen. Rather than shunt one 'wide', it allowed us to play both where they cause most damage, in and around Kane.
While other sides may have gone to 3 at the back to shore up a leaky defence, ours was simply playing to our strengths. Our squad is made for it.
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