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Lukaku song - another viewpoint

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posted on 20/9/17

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 6 seconds ago
It almost implies black people do this because of their genetics and not the way society treats them.

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I think you'd have to take an enormous leap to arrive at that conclusion.
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Indeed.

posted on 20/9/17

I'm surprised at how disgusting this comment is, even for VC.

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This is because you are a humourless who wouldn't know a tongue in cheek comment if you tried.

Go and whine you someone who gives a $hit you utter to$$er.

posted on 20/9/17

I can't believe we've spent two days talking about Lukaku's kn*b.

posted on 20/9/17

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 5 minutes ago

I can't believe we've spent two days talking about Lukaku's kn*b.

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There are only a few groups of people who could be offended by it.

Lesbians and people with small willies.

posted on 20/9/17

Gentlemen

Yeah it's a very interesting debate and I totally understand Kick it Outs stance. Like most things it isnt black and white and while I feel the chant is maybe ignorant I also feel it's harsh to suggest it's racist.

posted on 20/9/17

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Gentlemen

Yeah it's a very interesting debate and I totally understand Kick it Outs stance. Like most things it isnt black and white and while I feel the chant is maybe ignorant I also feel it's harsh to suggest it's racist.
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Hard to disagree with the above. As I said in an earlier thread, I don't agree with the choice of words used by kick it out as I wouldn't call it racist... I'm not even sure I would call for it to be banned but I do feel uncomfortable with it and I wouldn't sing along. There are others who may feel offended by it and although I wouldn't agree with their sentiment totally, I feel they have a right to be offended. They have shined a light on an issue and raised awareness about a wider topic, so in effect, they're just doing their jobs.

posted on 20/9/17

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 hours, 52 minutes ago
I read an article on it in the Guardian written by a white person who said it is also racist to suggest Asians are good at maths. Being half Asian myself I don't in any way find it remotely offensive (I am good at maths and was pushed hard by my Asian mum to work extra hard at maths) but it's great to hear from someone who isn't Asian to tell me otherwise.

As a mixed race person I seem to be constantly told what I should be offended by (mainly by white people) rather than seemingly being allowed to use a bit of common sense and use my own judgement.
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Asian people aren't always good at maths; that's another lazy stereotype.

They do, however, all have parents with high expectations

posted on 20/9/17

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 6 hours, 48 minutes ago
I think they have bigger issues to deal with than a song.
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oo-er!

posted on 21/9/17

Kick it Out are poosays

Rather than confront systematic and widespread institutionalised racism in the game, this is what concerns them.

Typical.

Same with society, everyone will froth at the mouth whrn someone racially abuses a black person but will keep schtum about a society that pays black people with the same qualifications as their white colleagues or refuse to discuss people "whitening" their names to get a job interview.

Those are the issues we have to face in society as racism is far more covert and sinister these days. Not Lukakus ck

posted on 21/9/17

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
Kick it Out are poosays

Rather than confront systematic and widespread institutionalised racism in the game, this is what concerns them.

Typical.

Same with society, everyone will froth at the mouth whrn someone racially abuses a black person but will keep schtum about a society that pays black people with the same qualifications as their white colleagues or refuse to discuss people "whitening" their names to get a job interview.

Those are the issues we have to face in society as racism is far more covert and sinister these days. Not Lukakus ck
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I suggest you're very wrong about this. The kind of people who are sensitive to racist stereotyping tend to correlate with people who have a problem with discrimination in society. Conversely, there's a whole swathe of people (cf. the Trump electorate) who believe both that politically correct types are inventing racism wherever they look and that the rules of society are stacked against beleaguered white people and their economic woes are down to people of colour being at the front of the queue.

And there are lots of people on this forum who have said 'okay this is based on racist stereotypes, so I'm not that cool with it but the people singing it mean no harm'. I agree that some people get too hung up on language but the main enemy of progress are right-wingers who spread the idea that white people are victimised.

posted on 21/9/17

Was it sung last night btw ?

posted on 21/9/17

Asian people aren't always good at maths; that's another lazy stereotype.
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it is horrendous that, saying a Asian is good at maths, how will they cope with that horrible stigma

posted on 21/9/17

comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 12 minutes ago
Asian people aren't always good at maths; that's another lazy stereotype.
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it is horrendous that, saying a Asian is good at maths, how will they cope with that horrible stigma
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Horrible stereotyping. As a black man it annoys me when people come out with such things so much I usually hit them with my 24" wong.

posted on 21/9/17

Horrible stereotyping. As a black man it annoys me when people come out with such things so much I usually hit them with my 24" wong.
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hopefully that's not a really small Asian man

posted on 21/9/17

comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 3 minutes ago
Horrible stereotyping. As a black man it annoys me when people come out with such things so much I usually hit them with my 24" wong.
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hopefully that's not a really small Asian man
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posted on 21/9/17

comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 4 minutes ago
Horrible stereotyping. As a black man it annoys me when people come out with such things so much I usually hit them with my 24" wong.
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hopefully that's not a really small Asian man
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its worse for white folks, they can't get out of the way. Can't jump.

posted on 21/9/17

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
Kick it Out are poosays

Rather than confront systematic and widespread institutionalised racism in the game, this is what concerns them.

Typical.

Same with society, everyone will froth at the mouth whrn someone racially abuses a black person but will keep schtum about a society that pays black people with the same qualifications as their white colleagues or refuse to discuss people "whitening" their names to get a job interview.

Those are the issues we have to face in society as racism is far more covert and sinister these days. Not Lukakus ck
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I suggest you're very wrong about this. The kind of people who are sensitive to racist stereotyping tend to correlate with people who have a problem with discrimination in society. Conversely, there's a whole swathe of people (cf. the Trump electorate) who believe both that politically correct types are inventing racism wherever they look and that the rules of society are stacked against beleaguered white people and their economic woes are down to people of colour being at the front of the queue.

And there are lots of people on this forum who have said 'okay this is based on racist stereotypes, so I'm not that cool with it but the people singing it mean no harm'. I agree that some people get too hung up on language but the main enemy of progress are right-wingers who spread the idea that white people are victimised.
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I see the point you are making mate and agree with it but, I am more concerned about the "bigger issues."

We can deal with these issues, yes, but we are not focusing on the fundamental issues which pervade western society.

Institutionalised racism

posted on 21/9/17

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
Kick it Out are poosays

Rather than confront systematic and widespread institutionalised racism in the game, this is what concerns them.

Typical.

Same with society, everyone will froth at the mouth whrn someone racially abuses a black person but will keep schtum about a society that pays black people with the same qualifications as their white colleagues or refuse to discuss people "whitening" their names to get a job interview.

Those are the issues we have to face in society as racism is far more covert and sinister these days. Not Lukakus ck
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I suggest you're very wrong about this. The kind of people who are sensitive to racist stereotyping tend to correlate with people who have a problem with discrimination in society. Conversely, there's a whole swathe of people (cf. the Trump electorate) who believe both that politically correct types are inventing racism wherever they look and that the rules of society are stacked against beleaguered white people and their economic woes are down to people of colour being at the front of the queue.

And there are lots of people on this forum who have said 'okay this is based on racist stereotypes, so I'm not that cool with it but the people singing it mean no harm'. I agree that some people get too hung up on language but the main enemy of progress are right-wingers who spread the idea that white people are victimised.
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I see the point you are making mate and agree with it but, I am more concerned about the "bigger issues."

We can deal with these issues, yes, but we are not focusing on the fundamental issues which pervade western society.

Institutionalised racism
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Do you not think songs like this which as described in the OP, help keep institutionalised racism chugging along with the public blissfully unaware they're keeping stereotypes flourishing which in turn is another spoke in a racist wheel?

One of the big friends of racism isn't always the outright racists but more the ignorant masses who every week throw fuel on the fire without even realising it?

posted on 21/9/17

comment by Got Robb 🎬⚽️⭐️ (U21234)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
Kick it Out are poosays

Rather than confront systematic and widespread institutionalised racism in the game, this is what concerns them.

Typical.

Same with society, everyone will froth at the mouth whrn someone racially abuses a black person but will keep schtum about a society that pays black people with the same qualifications as their white colleagues or refuse to discuss people "whitening" their names to get a job interview.

Those are the issues we have to face in society as racism is far more covert and sinister these days. Not Lukakus ck
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I suggest you're very wrong about this. The kind of people who are sensitive to racist stereotyping tend to correlate with people who have a problem with discrimination in society. Conversely, there's a whole swathe of people (cf. the Trump electorate) who believe both that politically correct types are inventing racism wherever they look and that the rules of society are stacked against beleaguered white people and their economic woes are down to people of colour being at the front of the queue.

And there are lots of people on this forum who have said 'okay this is based on racist stereotypes, so I'm not that cool with it but the people singing it mean no harm'. I agree that some people get too hung up on language but the main enemy of progress are right-wingers who spread the idea that white people are victimised.
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I see the point you are making mate and agree with it but, I am more concerned about the "bigger issues."

We can deal with these issues, yes, but we are not focusing on the fundamental issues which pervade western society.

Institutionalised racism
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Do you not think songs like this which as described in the OP, help keep institutionalised racism chugging along with the public blissfully unaware they're keeping stereotypes flourishing which in turn is another spoke in a racist wheel?

One of the big friends of racism isn't always the outright racists but more the ignorant masses who every week throw fuel on the fire without even realising it?
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They may promote some stereotypes, yes. But all that is happening is a muddying of the waters and making everyone roll their eyes and go, those guys playing the race card again.

You can already see some comments here like asking why there is a Society of Black Lawyers which shows clearly people do not understand how pervasive institutionalised racism is in society.

Yes, we can discuss this issue, but it should not distract us from the key issue which is institutionalised racism which is rarely discussed.

About 2 weeks ago, soldiers were arrested for planning terror attacks. These were white british males.

If they had been muslim, what do you think the reaction would have been?

How much coverage did it get?

David Cameron was "ashamed" when facts and figures were put to him about how unfair society is to minorities.

People do not want to have that conversation for some reason.

posted on 21/9/17

You can already see some comments here like asking why there is a Society of Black Lawyers which shows clearly people do not understand how pervasive institutionalised racism is in society.

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Now, here is my issue.

The people who cry 'racism' out of every corner, can't actually see what is wrong with the 'Society of Black Lawyers'.

Yet if there was such a thing as a 'Society of White Lawyers' there would be racial issues with it.

posted on 21/9/17

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 21 hours, 47 minutes ago
Fear of Black male sexuality in particular is said to be a core reason for the subjugation of Black American men.

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Never heard of that one Robb.

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I think most people fear them now because they are armed to the teeth and have no value for human life.

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The US military is not what is being discussed here

posted on 21/9/17

The US military is not what is being discussed here
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or the US police force

posted on 21/9/17

The US military is not what is being discussed here

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It wasn't in my comment either.

posted on 21/9/17

Now, here is my issue.

The people who cry 'racism' out of every corner, can't actually see what is wrong with the 'Society of Black Lawyers'.

Yet if there was such a thing as a 'Society of White Lawyers' there would be racial issues with it.
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Most of the lawyers in GB are white, middle/upper class men who have no idea how it feels to be discriminated by the justice system, police, lawyers, judges, prison officers, employers etc. So the 'society of black lawyers' was formed to represent some kind of stand to these injustices of the minorities, because ;'the society of white lawyers' sure aint.

posted on 21/9/17

So black middle/upper class men do?

There should be a Society of Ginger lawyers, because those guys come in for some serious sh-t.

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