comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
It's ridiculous because I'm not suggesting that clubs should scrap transfer altogether, am I?
If you can't decipher between foreign transfers of average players and marquee signings like Lukaku then you've no place in an adult conversation.
To counter your points:
1. Yes, it's down to the Manager's opinion. But if the Manager's opinion NEVER involves trying youth, what does that tell you? It tells you he has no interest in developing youth into the first team - I put that partly down to bottle.
2. Where did I say clubs exclusively buy players at their peak?
I remind you - I am NOT talking about all transfers.
"I know it’s possible to do both, which is exactly what clubs are doing at the moment."
No, it isn't.
How many players can you name from United, City, Chelsea and Arsenal who have come through the youth set up and are regular starters?
I refuse to believe that Chelsea, for example, haven't had a single player in the last ten years that would be good enough to be a regular part of their team.
If you think talent at these clubs is that bad then fine, but at least put your point across without the stupidity that you're currently doing.
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Stupidity, not rich coming from you
If you can't decipher between foreign transfers of average players and marquee signings like Lukaku then you've no place in an adult conversation.
- Give me 10 examples of where a big club has signed some ‘average foreign’ player as opposed to using a player from the youth academy in recent years.
To counter your points:
1. Yes, it's down to the Manager's opinion. But if the Manager's opinion NEVER involves trying youth, what does that tell you? It tells you he has no interest in developing youth into the first team - I put that partly down to bottle.
- Kane, Sterling, Welbeck, Mason, Townsend, Rashford, Hart, Rose and Wilshere are a few examples of academy or young players who’ve come through and been given their chance at their clubs. So for you to say that they “never” give the youths a chance is clearly false. Unless of course when you said “never” you actually meant “rarely... infrequently... not often enough for my liking” in which case I suggest you brush up on your use of the English language or calm down and think before you reply.
How many players can you name from United, City, Chelsea and Arsenal who have come through the youth set up and are regular starters?
United:
Rashford starts a reasonable amount of games. Shares duties with another young player in Martial.
Arsenal:
Wilshere was first choice for Arsenal until he continued to suffer injury problems. At which point they then went and signed players who are better than him. Iwobi starts some games and was/is ahead in the pecking order of Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain, but there’s this player called Alexis Sanchez who is just a bit better who starts ahead of him.
Chelsea:
Don’t know if Christensen is part of their academy or if they bought him young, but he’s now a part of their 18 man squad.
City:
None. Denayer has been sent on loan a few times but hasn’t pulled up any trees.
So who are all these players who’ve not been given a chance at a big club because of average foreign players taking their place but since moved on and proven themselves to be quality?
Martial is not our youth product or has come through our youth system. Can't include him
I wasn’t including him as a youth, I was stating who he’s competing with.
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
Stupidity?
What have I said that is stupid, in the way that you've brought Lukaku into this?
Examples:
Romeu, Marin, Oliviera, Atsu, Cuevas, Hector are examples for Chelsea with more in recent years.
Kane proves my point - not yours. He wasn't given a chance and even when Soldado had been pants for years, he only played when Soldado was injured.
He was very close to not being given a chance.
Sterling, Mason, Townsend and Rose are not at the clubs I have mentioned.
You can debate semantics about 'never' and 'rarely' if you want, but I'd rather focus on the actual point.
And then going through the clubs, you can barely name anyone.
Wilshere?
You're proving my point for me.
"So who are all these players who’ve not been given a chance at a big club because of average foreign players taking their place but since moved on and proven themselves to be quality?"
That's the point.
Either their careers just fall by the wayside or they're stuck playing out on loan until their mid twenties, when it's too late.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 minutes ago
Oh, one last thing.
Your belief that Managers know what they're doing... why was Kane not getting a look in at Spurs then?
I wonder how many players like Kane and Rashford have fallen by the wayside because clubs weren't giving them a chance.
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Where did I state that managers know what they’re doing? I said managers have an opinion on whether a player is ready or not.
Sherwood gave Kane his chance initially, Poch eventually gave him an extended chance - it paid off.
AVB gave Townsend his chance, he shone for a couple of months before fading - sold and hardly setting the world alight at Palace.
Poch gave Mason and Carroll their chance - sold both because they weren’t good enough. Horrific injury considered, neither showed any signs that this was an error of judgement.
Someone at Chelsea gave McEchran a few games, didn’t last though - sold and now warming the bench at championship side Brentford.
Rodgers gave Sterling his chance - so good that he won the European golden boy award and was bought by City.
Welbeck has his chance at United - sold but although injury has hampered his time at Arsenal, was never a nailed-on first choice when fit.
The point I’m making is that players have been given chances but many of those who’ve failed to make the grade have since then gone on to show that they had what it takes to get back on the radar of bigger clubs. Some such as Evans and Keane have done well enough to gain interest from United, city, Arsenal etc but for every Evans there’s about 5 who’ve not proven themselves elsewhere.
Kane proves my point - not yours. He wasn't given a chance and even when Soldado had been pants for years, he only played when Soldado was injured.
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Soldado only started 22 times PL games in his first season and then just 7 in his second, and was on the bench a lot for the rest of the time not injured.
Kane got his chance because he proved himself in the Europa, however he did get chances before that and showed he wasn't ready. If he was chucked in earlier there is every chance he would have failed to impress and would not have the career he has now.
There is usually an element of luck in a player getting his first opportunity - however to dismiss it all down to luck is ignoring the coaching and development and assessment behind the scenes. Rashford may have been lucky Martial got injured in the warm up before his debut, but it was not luck that Rashford was there in the first place. That is coaching and knowledge, and knowing the right time to blood him.
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
"Where did I state that managers know what they’re doing? I said managers have an opinion on whether a player is ready or not."
Yes, so you're concluding that most managers of these clubs believe they have no one at the club in their youth system capable of making it in the first team.
That's backing the manager to make the right call.
I'm saying I think that's nonsense and part of the reason they don't pick players is bottle. Easier to justify playing a £10 million signing.
Sherwood only played Kane when he had no one else. He had barely played that season, been out on loan for several years and fans would have laughed at the suggestion he could be the next centre forward for Spurs.
Why bring Townsend, Mason and Carroll into it? I already said that Spurs are probably the one club not guilty of this.
I also never mentioned Liverpool.
The fact that you're going as far back as McEchran shows just how few examples there actually are.
“Kane proves my point - not yours. He wasn't given a chance and even when Soldado had been pants for years, he only played when Soldado was injured.“
Well that’s factually incorrect. We bought Soldado in 13/14, he missed 2 games through injury towards the end of that season, by which point Sherwood had already started using Adebayor after AVB banished him to the reserves. AVB was sacked in December, Kane didn’t start until about March or April.
In 14/15 Poch started off with Adebayor/Soldado with Kane staking his claim in the cups. Eventually Kane got his chance in the league as the senior pair weren’t performing. Soldado was not injured at this point.
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Wrong.
Kane played when Soldado was injured and that season Sherwood had shown a complete lack of faith in him.
Kane scored in a couple of games and the rest is history.
Had Soldado not been injured and had been scoring, we may never have seen Kane given a proper chance.
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
He was injured.
Check your facts and come back with an acceptance, please.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Wrong.
Kane played when Soldado was injured and that season Sherwood had shown a complete lack of faith in him.
Kane scored in a couple of games and the rest is history.
Had Soldado not been injured and had been scoring, we may never have seen Kane given a proper chance.
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No you are wrong. Soldado was on the bench for all but two (at the end of the season) games Kane started in the 14/15 season - Kanes breakthough season. He had chances before and didn't do enough to retain his place.
Nothing to do with Soldado being injured as to why Kane won his place in the 14 15 season.
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Nope, you're wrong.
Kane had played a few times, sure, but the season he broke through he barely played.
The only reason he started the last few games (when he started scoring) was because Soldado was injured.
Check your facts, because I am right.
Kane had played a few times, sure, but the season he broke through he barely played.
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So not his breakthrough season then...
Otherwise, if it is just getting first team games, it would be a few seasons before
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
He was injured.
Check your facts and come back with an acceptance, please.
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I’ve checked my facts and funnily enough the facts tie up with my memory
Soldado in 13/14:
Squad - 36
Starts - 22
Subbed - 6
On the bench 8
Injured - 2
Adebayor:
Squad - 21
Starts - 20
Subbed -1
On the bench - 0
Injured - 6
Kane:
Squad - 16
Started - 6
Subbed - 4
Bench - 6
Injured - 8
Source
https://www.transfermarkt.com/
That should dispel your fictional tales
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Season 13/14.
Until then, a bit part player.
Vs Sunderland, late in the season, Soldado injured so Kane got a game. Scored, so started and scored again.
I don't know what point you're trying to debate but I haven't said anything incorrect.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Wrong.
Kane played when Soldado was injured and that season Sherwood had shown a complete lack of faith in him.
Kane scored in a couple of games and the rest is history.
Had Soldado not been injured and had been scoring, we may never have seen Kane given a proper chance.
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No you are wrong. Soldado was on the bench for all but two (at the end of the season) games Kane started in the 14/15 season - Kanes breakthough season. He had chances before and didn't do enough to retain his place.
Nothing to do with Soldado being injured as to why Kane won his place in the 14 15 season.
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Exactly. The evidence is here to prove this yet it seems that Winston wants to convince himself otherwise
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
I suggest you review those '22 starts' in 13/14.
There are no fictional tales.
He was a bit part squad player for most of the season until Soldado was injured.
Embarrassing that I know more about this than you do, as a Spurs fan.
Just goes to show how history is rewritten though.
Until then, a bit part player.
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And including then! You said yourself he barely played - surely the definition of a bit part player.
He got his chance the next season, when Soldado was fit. He didn't start the season as first choice, but his Europa perfomances led to his inclusion in the PL team ahead of a fit Soldado.
This was the comment I was disagreeing with : "when Soldado had been pants for years, he only played when Soldado was injured."- he hadn't been pants for years, he was only at Spurs two years. And he played when Soldado was fit - I don't mean a couple of token games at the end of a season, I mean established as first choice.
"The evidence is here to prove this yet it seems that Winston wants to convince himself otherwise "
What evidence?
Kane started because Soldado was injured. That is a fact.
Before that game (in April), Kane had played less than half hour of league football for Spurs.
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
He started six games on the bounce.
I'd regard that as his breakthrough and he only started the first of those six games because Soldado was injured.
He continued to start even when Soldado was fit.
Two years = years. Plural.
Until the injury, Kane was an understudy. Not even that, really.
Hope this helps but let me know if you need further clarification.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
"The evidence is here to prove this yet it seems that Winston wants to convince himself otherwise "
What evidence?
Kane started because Soldado was injured. That is a fact.
Before that game (in April), Kane had played less than half hour of league football for Spurs.
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* Less than half hour that year, I should say.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
I suggest you review those '22 starts' in 13/14.
There are no fictional tales.
He was a bit part squad player for most of the season until Soldado was injured.
Embarrassing that I know more about this than you do, as a Spurs fan.
Just goes to show how history is rewritten though.
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I’ve provided the source, go and look it up, then we’ll talk about ‘embarrassing’
Ah that’s right you won’t because you’ve got 2 people telling you you’re wrong but you want to keep arguing your incorrect points to save face.
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
I have looked it up.
Try this:
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=52657&season_id=143
The big question is, will you apologise when you realise you're wrong and I'm right?
Oh how sweet this is.
If you actually look into it, those games in which Kane came in he actually played behind Adebayor in a change of formation for Spurs - so nothing to do with Soldado. Adebayor replaced Soldado...
But his true breakthrough came the season after, when he replaced Soldado due to his Europa performances.
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posted on 5/10/17
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
It's ridiculous because I'm not suggesting that clubs should scrap transfer altogether, am I?
If you can't decipher between foreign transfers of average players and marquee signings like Lukaku then you've no place in an adult conversation.
To counter your points:
1. Yes, it's down to the Manager's opinion. But if the Manager's opinion NEVER involves trying youth, what does that tell you? It tells you he has no interest in developing youth into the first team - I put that partly down to bottle.
2. Where did I say clubs exclusively buy players at their peak?
I remind you - I am NOT talking about all transfers.
"I know it’s possible to do both, which is exactly what clubs are doing at the moment."
No, it isn't.
How many players can you name from United, City, Chelsea and Arsenal who have come through the youth set up and are regular starters?
I refuse to believe that Chelsea, for example, haven't had a single player in the last ten years that would be good enough to be a regular part of their team.
If you think talent at these clubs is that bad then fine, but at least put your point across without the stupidity that you're currently doing.
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Stupidity, not rich coming from you
If you can't decipher between foreign transfers of average players and marquee signings like Lukaku then you've no place in an adult conversation.
- Give me 10 examples of where a big club has signed some ‘average foreign’ player as opposed to using a player from the youth academy in recent years.
To counter your points:
1. Yes, it's down to the Manager's opinion. But if the Manager's opinion NEVER involves trying youth, what does that tell you? It tells you he has no interest in developing youth into the first team - I put that partly down to bottle.
- Kane, Sterling, Welbeck, Mason, Townsend, Rashford, Hart, Rose and Wilshere are a few examples of academy or young players who’ve come through and been given their chance at their clubs. So for you to say that they “never” give the youths a chance is clearly false. Unless of course when you said “never” you actually meant “rarely... infrequently... not often enough for my liking” in which case I suggest you brush up on your use of the English language or calm down and think before you reply.
How many players can you name from United, City, Chelsea and Arsenal who have come through the youth set up and are regular starters?
United:
Rashford starts a reasonable amount of games. Shares duties with another young player in Martial.
Arsenal:
Wilshere was first choice for Arsenal until he continued to suffer injury problems. At which point they then went and signed players who are better than him. Iwobi starts some games and was/is ahead in the pecking order of Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain, but there’s this player called Alexis Sanchez who is just a bit better who starts ahead of him.
Chelsea:
Don’t know if Christensen is part of their academy or if they bought him young, but he’s now a part of their 18 man squad.
City:
None. Denayer has been sent on loan a few times but hasn’t pulled up any trees.
So who are all these players who’ve not been given a chance at a big club because of average foreign players taking their place but since moved on and proven themselves to be quality?
posted on 5/10/17
Martial is not our youth product or has come through our youth system. Can't include him
posted on 5/10/17
I wasn’t including him as a youth, I was stating who he’s competing with.
posted on 5/10/17
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
Stupidity?
What have I said that is stupid, in the way that you've brought Lukaku into this?
Examples:
Romeu, Marin, Oliviera, Atsu, Cuevas, Hector are examples for Chelsea with more in recent years.
Kane proves my point - not yours. He wasn't given a chance and even when Soldado had been pants for years, he only played when Soldado was injured.
He was very close to not being given a chance.
Sterling, Mason, Townsend and Rose are not at the clubs I have mentioned.
You can debate semantics about 'never' and 'rarely' if you want, but I'd rather focus on the actual point.
And then going through the clubs, you can barely name anyone.
Wilshere?
You're proving my point for me.
"So who are all these players who’ve not been given a chance at a big club because of average foreign players taking their place but since moved on and proven themselves to be quality?"
That's the point.
Either their careers just fall by the wayside or they're stuck playing out on loan until their mid twenties, when it's too late.
posted on 5/10/17
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 minutes ago
Oh, one last thing.
Your belief that Managers know what they're doing... why was Kane not getting a look in at Spurs then?
I wonder how many players like Kane and Rashford have fallen by the wayside because clubs weren't giving them a chance.
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Where did I state that managers know what they’re doing? I said managers have an opinion on whether a player is ready or not.
Sherwood gave Kane his chance initially, Poch eventually gave him an extended chance - it paid off.
AVB gave Townsend his chance, he shone for a couple of months before fading - sold and hardly setting the world alight at Palace.
Poch gave Mason and Carroll their chance - sold both because they weren’t good enough. Horrific injury considered, neither showed any signs that this was an error of judgement.
Someone at Chelsea gave McEchran a few games, didn’t last though - sold and now warming the bench at championship side Brentford.
Rodgers gave Sterling his chance - so good that he won the European golden boy award and was bought by City.
Welbeck has his chance at United - sold but although injury has hampered his time at Arsenal, was never a nailed-on first choice when fit.
The point I’m making is that players have been given chances but many of those who’ve failed to make the grade have since then gone on to show that they had what it takes to get back on the radar of bigger clubs. Some such as Evans and Keane have done well enough to gain interest from United, city, Arsenal etc but for every Evans there’s about 5 who’ve not proven themselves elsewhere.
posted on 5/10/17
Kane proves my point - not yours. He wasn't given a chance and even when Soldado had been pants for years, he only played when Soldado was injured.
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Soldado only started 22 times PL games in his first season and then just 7 in his second, and was on the bench a lot for the rest of the time not injured.
Kane got his chance because he proved himself in the Europa, however he did get chances before that and showed he wasn't ready. If he was chucked in earlier there is every chance he would have failed to impress and would not have the career he has now.
There is usually an element of luck in a player getting his first opportunity - however to dismiss it all down to luck is ignoring the coaching and development and assessment behind the scenes. Rashford may have been lucky Martial got injured in the warm up before his debut, but it was not luck that Rashford was there in the first place. That is coaching and knowledge, and knowing the right time to blood him.
posted on 5/10/17
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
"Where did I state that managers know what they’re doing? I said managers have an opinion on whether a player is ready or not."
Yes, so you're concluding that most managers of these clubs believe they have no one at the club in their youth system capable of making it in the first team.
That's backing the manager to make the right call.
I'm saying I think that's nonsense and part of the reason they don't pick players is bottle. Easier to justify playing a £10 million signing.
Sherwood only played Kane when he had no one else. He had barely played that season, been out on loan for several years and fans would have laughed at the suggestion he could be the next centre forward for Spurs.
Why bring Townsend, Mason and Carroll into it? I already said that Spurs are probably the one club not guilty of this.
I also never mentioned Liverpool.
The fact that you're going as far back as McEchran shows just how few examples there actually are.
posted on 5/10/17
“Kane proves my point - not yours. He wasn't given a chance and even when Soldado had been pants for years, he only played when Soldado was injured.“
Well that’s factually incorrect. We bought Soldado in 13/14, he missed 2 games through injury towards the end of that season, by which point Sherwood had already started using Adebayor after AVB banished him to the reserves. AVB was sacked in December, Kane didn’t start until about March or April.
In 14/15 Poch started off with Adebayor/Soldado with Kane staking his claim in the cups. Eventually Kane got his chance in the league as the senior pair weren’t performing. Soldado was not injured at this point.
posted on 5/10/17
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Wrong.
Kane played when Soldado was injured and that season Sherwood had shown a complete lack of faith in him.
Kane scored in a couple of games and the rest is history.
Had Soldado not been injured and had been scoring, we may never have seen Kane given a proper chance.
posted on 5/10/17
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
He was injured.
Check your facts and come back with an acceptance, please.
posted on 5/10/17
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Wrong.
Kane played when Soldado was injured and that season Sherwood had shown a complete lack of faith in him.
Kane scored in a couple of games and the rest is history.
Had Soldado not been injured and had been scoring, we may never have seen Kane given a proper chance.
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No you are wrong. Soldado was on the bench for all but two (at the end of the season) games Kane started in the 14/15 season - Kanes breakthough season. He had chances before and didn't do enough to retain his place.
Nothing to do with Soldado being injured as to why Kane won his place in the 14 15 season.
posted on 5/10/17
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Nope, you're wrong.
Kane had played a few times, sure, but the season he broke through he barely played.
The only reason he started the last few games (when he started scoring) was because Soldado was injured.
Check your facts, because I am right.
posted on 5/10/17
Kane had played a few times, sure, but the season he broke through he barely played.
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So not his breakthrough season then...
Otherwise, if it is just getting first team games, it would be a few seasons before
posted on 5/10/17
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
He was injured.
Check your facts and come back with an acceptance, please.
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I’ve checked my facts and funnily enough the facts tie up with my memory
Soldado in 13/14:
Squad - 36
Starts - 22
Subbed - 6
On the bench 8
Injured - 2
Adebayor:
Squad - 21
Starts - 20
Subbed -1
On the bench - 0
Injured - 6
Kane:
Squad - 16
Started - 6
Subbed - 4
Bench - 6
Injured - 8
Source
https://www.transfermarkt.com/
That should dispel your fictional tales
posted on 5/10/17
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Season 13/14.
Until then, a bit part player.
Vs Sunderland, late in the season, Soldado injured so Kane got a game. Scored, so started and scored again.
I don't know what point you're trying to debate but I haven't said anything incorrect.
posted on 5/10/17
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
Wrong.
Kane played when Soldado was injured and that season Sherwood had shown a complete lack of faith in him.
Kane scored in a couple of games and the rest is history.
Had Soldado not been injured and had been scoring, we may never have seen Kane given a proper chance.
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No you are wrong. Soldado was on the bench for all but two (at the end of the season) games Kane started in the 14/15 season - Kanes breakthough season. He had chances before and didn't do enough to retain his place.
Nothing to do with Soldado being injured as to why Kane won his place in the 14 15 season.
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Exactly. The evidence is here to prove this yet it seems that Winston wants to convince himself otherwise
posted on 5/10/17
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
I suggest you review those '22 starts' in 13/14.
There are no fictional tales.
He was a bit part squad player for most of the season until Soldado was injured.
Embarrassing that I know more about this than you do, as a Spurs fan.
Just goes to show how history is rewritten though.
posted on 5/10/17
Until then, a bit part player.
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And including then! You said yourself he barely played - surely the definition of a bit part player.
He got his chance the next season, when Soldado was fit. He didn't start the season as first choice, but his Europa perfomances led to his inclusion in the PL team ahead of a fit Soldado.
This was the comment I was disagreeing with : "when Soldado had been pants for years, he only played when Soldado was injured."- he hadn't been pants for years, he was only at Spurs two years. And he played when Soldado was fit - I don't mean a couple of token games at the end of a season, I mean established as first choice.
posted on 5/10/17
"The evidence is here to prove this yet it seems that Winston wants to convince himself otherwise "
What evidence?
Kane started because Soldado was injured. That is a fact.
Before that game (in April), Kane had played less than half hour of league football for Spurs.
posted on 5/10/17
D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
He started six games on the bounce.
I'd regard that as his breakthrough and he only started the first of those six games because Soldado was injured.
He continued to start even when Soldado was fit.
Two years = years. Plural.
Until the injury, Kane was an understudy. Not even that, really.
Hope this helps but let me know if you need further clarification.
posted on 5/10/17
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
"The evidence is here to prove this yet it seems that Winston wants to convince himself otherwise "
What evidence?
Kane started because Soldado was injured. That is a fact.
Before that game (in April), Kane had played less than half hour of league football for Spurs.
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* Less than half hour that year, I should say.
posted on 5/10/17
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
I suggest you review those '22 starts' in 13/14.
There are no fictional tales.
He was a bit part squad player for most of the season until Soldado was injured.
Embarrassing that I know more about this than you do, as a Spurs fan.
Just goes to show how history is rewritten though.
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I’ve provided the source, go and look it up, then we’ll talk about ‘embarrassing’
Ah that’s right you won’t because you’ve got 2 people telling you you’re wrong but you want to keep arguing your incorrect points to save face.
posted on 5/10/17
Ledders-I must confess my love for Neo,I've dreamed of his manhood in my face smelling of B.O.He fills my rear end with his cream, the rest is bottled just like Spurs title dream. (U20121)
I have looked it up.
Try this:
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=52657&season_id=143
The big question is, will you apologise when you realise you're wrong and I'm right?
Oh how sweet this is.
posted on 5/10/17
Transfer League.
posted on 5/10/17
If you actually look into it, those games in which Kane came in he actually played behind Adebayor in a change of formation for Spurs - so nothing to do with Soldado. Adebayor replaced Soldado...
But his true breakthrough came the season after, when he replaced Soldado due to his Europa performances.
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