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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
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It is the evangelicals that are pushing through the abortion related legislation in Texas btw. The Catholic blame is because the Conservative judges on SCOTUS are and POTUS is Catholic.
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The separation of church and state working well in 2021
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Mad bastirts cherry pick which part of the constitution they follow
Hitchens was right
God is not great
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Peter Hitchens also said abortion was the biggest crime in modern times, for balance.

Dave Allen once said, " I'm an atheist, thank God"

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I honestly can't see what place religion has in politics tbh, from America to Israel to Isis.

Only causes division and hatred of others, it's not a sound basis for any relevant decisions with a modern frame of view.

It's a depressing change to the law, and trump's supreme court seem happy enough with it, think it's only a matter of time before the federal law on this topic is changed.

Imagine denying someone that choice ffs, even in the case of rape. Disgusting.
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How long do you think choice should be available?
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Harder question to answer.

Is it 24 weeks the old threshold? Just before the develop the capacity to feel pain?
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Not sure. But the most premature to survive is 21 weeks and 2 days.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/06/23/premature-baby-survive-birthday-record/

Hard to make a case after that period.
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Agreed. Can't remember the exact figures surrounding it all, but certainly if it can survive after 21-22 weeks 20 weeks seems reasonable (barring other medical complications)
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Just been reading more about that law, and it is absolutely batshiiiiit crazy.

Bounties for citizens who grass on other citizens who *abet* others who *might* seek to abort a ten week old fetus having been raped by a family member.

Yeah, nice one you divisive, misogynistic, anti-scientific, fundamentalist, inhumane clowns.

I know the Enlightenment long pre-dates Texas’s founding as a state, but still it would appear that Enlightenment thinking has yet to arrive there.
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Whilst I agree with the general sentiment here regarding the Texas law, the US abortion rate is ridiculous. Around 1 million a year. Sounds like they need better s£x ed.
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So the answer is to have 1million more kids a year in the country, with no means to support them?

Whilst I agree alternatives need to be made, and part of that is probably an issue surrounding healthcare and the cost of some methods of contraceptive, the answer is NOT to have a million unwanted kids a year with no one to feed or clothe them.

The republicans that bleat about the sanctity of life only care until the kid is born, they are after all campaigning to remove welfare, and even that's a tenuous statement considering they are the greatest opposition of socialised healthcare, and the cost to have a kid in the US is an between 10-13k just for the labour, with the combined cost of pre and post natal care averaging around 30k.

A lot of those 1million abortions are probably because the expectant parents cannot afford to have the child, the poverty rate in the US is rising fast as inequality grows, saw a stat the other day that in the 60s CEOs earnt around 17 times their average worker salary, it's now over 300x with their pay increasing well over 1000% compared to less than 20% for workers. (And they aren't even in the EU titty)

There are so many facets to this, if you want less abortions, act on the drivers of abortions, don't unscientifically ban them, and then find 10k per informat to have neighbours grassing on each other in a soviet style population control experiment.

Texas Taliban.
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I repeat my last sentence. Sounds like they need better s£x ed.
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What they need, for starters, is free contraception.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
In the name of Thor I wish they'd keep it to themselves.
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That is what your Mrs says.😉

I agree though, faith should be between the individual and God and not part of govt or political administration.

Otherwise, we go Taliban, or under the rule of RC church, Free P mob or evangelical mad hatters.

Talking about contraception...
I'm seeing my laddie for the first time in nearly 2 years this afternoon.

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I honestly can't see what place religion has in politics tbh, from America to Israel to Isis.

Only causes division and hatred of others, it's not a sound basis for any relevant decisions with a modern frame of view.

It's a depressing change to the law, and trump's supreme court seem happy enough with it, think it's only a matter of time before the federal law on this topic is changed.

Imagine denying someone that choice ffs, even in the case of rape. Disgusting.
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How long do you think choice should be available?
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Harder question to answer.

Is it 24 weeks the old threshold? Just before the develop the capacity to feel pain?
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Not sure. But the most premature to survive is 21 weeks and 2 days.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/06/23/premature-baby-survive-birthday-record/

Hard to make a case after that period.
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Agreed. Can't remember the exact figures surrounding it all, but certainly if it can survive after 21-22 weeks 20 weeks seems reasonable (barring other medical complications)
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Just been reading more about that law, and it is absolutely batshiiiiit crazy.

Bounties for citizens who grass on other citizens who *abet* others who *might* seek to abort a ten week old fetus having been raped by a family member.

Yeah, nice one you divisive, misogynistic, anti-scientific, fundamentalist, inhumane clowns.

I know the Enlightenment long pre-dates Texas’s founding as a state, but still it would appear that Enlightenment thinking has yet to arrive there.
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Whilst I agree with the general sentiment here regarding the Texas law, the US abortion rate is ridiculous. Around 1 million a year. Sounds like they need better s£x ed.
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So the answer is to have 1million more kids a year in the country, with no means to support them?

Whilst I agree alternatives need to be made, and part of that is probably an issue surrounding healthcare and the cost of some methods of contraceptive, the answer is NOT to have a million unwanted kids a year with no one to feed or clothe them.

The republicans that bleat about the sanctity of life only care until the kid is born, they are after all campaigning to remove welfare, and even that's a tenuous statement considering they are the greatest opposition of socialised healthcare, and the cost to have a kid in the US is an between 10-13k just for the labour, with the combined cost of pre and post natal care averaging around 30k.

A lot of those 1million abortions are probably because the expectant parents cannot afford to have the child, the poverty rate in the US is rising fast as inequality grows, saw a stat the other day that in the 60s CEOs earnt around 17 times their average worker salary, it's now over 300x with their pay increasing well over 1000% compared to less than 20% for workers. (And they aren't even in the EU titty)

There are so many facets to this, if you want less abortions, act on the drivers of abortions, don't unscientifically ban them, and then find 10k per informat to have neighbours grassing on each other in a soviet style population control experiment.

Texas Taliban.
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I repeat my last sentence. Sounds like they need better s£x ed.
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What they need, for starters, is free contraception.
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I would rubber stamp that, Rosso.

Johnny be good.😍

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
Talking about contraception...
I'm seeing my laddie for the first time in nearly 2 years this afternoon.
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Glad you have got some weight off and rid of the belly, and can see the wee willy again, lad.

Ohhh, that laddie....

Johnny be good.

The pill/IUDs/injections be better.

comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted about a minute ago
Johnny be good.

The pill/IUDs/injections be better.
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Abstinence rings for the believers.

Apparently they're called purity rings now.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
Apparently they're called purity rings now.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_ball

Any dad who does this is creepy as fack and probably a bit suspect

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
Apparently they're called purity rings now.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_ball

Any dad who does this is creepy as fack and probably a bit suspect
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That's a lot more sinister than I knew! I thought they were just gimmicky rings worn to promote s3xual abstinence.

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Using contraception if you don't want an unwanted pregnancy is responsible.

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I honestly can't see what place religion has in politics tbh, from America to Israel to Isis.

Only causes division and hatred of others, it's not a sound basis for any relevant decisions with a modern frame of view.

It's a depressing change to the law, and trump's supreme court seem happy enough with it, think it's only a matter of time before the federal law on this topic is changed.

Imagine denying someone that choice ffs, even in the case of rape. Disgusting.
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How long do you think choice should be available?
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Harder question to answer.

Is it 24 weeks the old threshold? Just before the develop the capacity to feel pain?
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Not sure. But the most premature to survive is 21 weeks and 2 days.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/06/23/premature-baby-survive-birthday-record/

Hard to make a case after that period.
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Agreed. Can't remember the exact figures surrounding it all, but certainly if it can survive after 21-22 weeks 20 weeks seems reasonable (barring other medical complications)
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Just been reading more about that law, and it is absolutely batshiiiiit crazy.

Bounties for citizens who grass on other citizens who *abet* others who *might* seek to abort a ten week old fetus having been raped by a family member.

Yeah, nice one you divisive, misogynistic, anti-scientific, fundamentalist, inhumane clowns.

I know the Enlightenment long pre-dates Texas’s founding as a state, but still it would appear that Enlightenment thinking has yet to arrive there.
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Whilst I agree with the general sentiment here regarding the Texas law, the US abortion rate is ridiculous. Around 1 million a year. Sounds like they need better s£x ed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the answer is to have 1million more kids a year in the country, with no means to support them?

Whilst I agree alternatives need to be made, and part of that is probably an issue surrounding healthcare and the cost of some methods of contraceptive, the answer is NOT to have a million unwanted kids a year with no one to feed or clothe them.

The republicans that bleat about the sanctity of life only care until the kid is born, they are after all campaigning to remove welfare, and even that's a tenuous statement considering they are the greatest opposition of socialised healthcare, and the cost to have a kid in the US is an between 10-13k just for the labour, with the combined cost of pre and post natal care averaging around 30k.

A lot of those 1million abortions are probably because the expectant parents cannot afford to have the child, the poverty rate in the US is rising fast as inequality grows, saw a stat the other day that in the 60s CEOs earnt around 17 times their average worker salary, it's now over 300x with their pay increasing well over 1000% compared to less than 20% for workers. (And they aren't even in the EU titty)

There are so many facets to this, if you want less abortions, act on the drivers of abortions, don't unscientifically ban them, and then find 10k per informat to have neighbours grassing on each other in a soviet style population control experiment.

Texas Taliban.
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I repeat my last sentence. Sounds like they need better s£x ed.
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What they need, for starters, is free contraception.
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Why? People need to take responsibility.
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By which you mean poor people shouldn’t have sexx?

In America IUDs can cost up to $1300

The pill is $50 a month.

If you don't want abortions, tackle the causes of them.

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Work minimum wage = you can't have sex.

Got it. Eugenics with different wording

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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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Using contraception if you don't want an unwanted pregnancy is responsible.
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Yep. But that doesn't mean it should be free.

If people can't afford a condom and decide to possibly get pregnant, perhaps they should be sterilised for being a bit fik.
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Sounds expensive.
More expensive than condoms certainly.

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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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Using contraception if you don't want an unwanted pregnancy is responsible.
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Yep. But that doesn't mean it should be free.

If people can't afford a condom and decide to possibly get pregnant, perhaps they should be sterilised for being a bit fik.
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Sounds expensive.
More expensive than condoms certainly.
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You're right. Baseball bat meet head. 👍
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Which head 😜

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Free contraception for all is a great idea IMO. Would help address a host of issues across the world. Especially in developing countries.