Here's a transcript of the speech, there's very little on immigration tbh

https://labour.org.uk/press/keir-starmers-speech-to-the-cbi-annual-conference/

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I thought he wanted to end cheap labour?
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Exactly. J99 wants him to argue for cheap labour.
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Cheap Labour? You mean like what we used have from the European Union. Polish plumbers?

EU workers in the construction industry were paid the same as their British counterparts.

I think the argument is that it kept wages "low" because of lack of demand for labour

But of course not having enough labour just leads to jobs being taken to countries that do

Think Starmer was more focussing on a skills shortage

What's his plan for the skilled workers that we need now, in the health and care sector, the hospitality sector and the building industry? Did he mention anything about what we need today? Long finger promises mean nothing.

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What's his plan for the skilled workers that we need now, in the health and care sector, the hospitality sector and the building industry? Did he mention anything about what we need today? Long finger promises mean nothing.
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I tried copy pasting the relevant bits but the way the transcript is formatted makes that too much work

https://labour.org.uk/press/keir-starmers-speech-to-the-cbi-annual-conference/

Just go there and search the page for "skills" then read from there.

It's not some manifesto pledge but it focusses on skills for school leavers (or under 18s) being much higher digitally as well as schemes to make sure we have an upcoming aspirational generation. As well as a Council of Skills Advisers

Then a larger part on skill in renewables, particularly wind. 28b investment in infrastructure, 6b investment in making homes more energy efficient

Start up loans scheme

Changes to business rates to make them fairer and revive the high street

I went through it and there is aspiration for the future which is fine, but nothing about now.
Selfishly, I'm not getting any younger and I don't want to wait 12 hours in A+E (blunt example) solely based on not enough staff.

We won't pay our nurses, we expect potential nurses to find their studies, run themselves into debt, for the benefit of us all only to be paid miserable wages.

I think it's obvious the "pragmatism" he and Wes Streeting speak of will be continuing to recruit foreign nurses for some years to come

No one policy will fix the training and find the funds to pay nurses properly as well as raising working conditions to make the vocation more attractive.

Anecdotally you hear that a large problem is the attractiveness of being agency staff, better pay, better hours and the ability to choose not to work in certain areas. This costs the NHS much more than a traditional nurse and leads to worse service for the patient as agency staff haven't spent as long with them or the ward so will obviously not be able to provide the same care

Not sure how you fix that quickly

https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1595000161922686976?t=ppK6kdA4CHir8vSLYgiq5g&s=19

These cheeky WUMs

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted about a minute ago
I thought he wanted to end cheap labour?
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Exactly. J99 wants him to argue for cheap labour.
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Cheap Labour? You mean like what we used have from the European Union. Polish plumbers?
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An overly saturated jobs market leads to suppressed wages. You have openly said you don't want wages to rise due to inflation.

That isn't in line with Labour's core beliefs as you have inferred when suggesting they should stick to them. In fact it contradicts them.

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted about a minute ago
I thought he wanted to end cheap labour?
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Exactly. J99 wants him to argue for cheap labour.
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Cheap Labour? You mean like what we used have from the European Union. Polish plumbers?
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An overly saturated jobs market leads to suppressed wages. You have openly said you don't want wages to rise due to inflation.

That isn't in line with Labour's core beliefs as you have inferred when suggesting they should stick to them. In fact it contradicts them.
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How does it contradict them? Do Labour want wages to rise and in turn increase inflation thereby negate any real value of the wage increase?

Or should Labour stick with rejoining a common market of some form which will require a level of freedom of movement that may fix the supply side problems that the UK is facing?

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted about a minute ago
I thought he wanted to end cheap labour?
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Exactly. J99 wants him to argue for cheap labour.
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Cheap Labour? You mean like what we used have from the European Union. Polish plumbers?
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An overly saturated jobs market leads to suppressed wages. You have openly said you don't want wages to rise due to inflation.

That isn't in line with Labour's core beliefs as you have inferred when suggesting they should stick to them. In fact it contradicts them.
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How does it contradict them? Do Labour want wages to rise and in turn increase inflation thereby negate any real value of the wage increase?

Or should Labour stick with rejoining a common market of some form which will require a level of freedom of movement that may fix the supply side problems that the UK is facing?
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I just explained how it contradicts them.

You can pretty much argue either way that they are going to contradict one of the core beliefs regardless of what they do, such is the current state of the economy and measures needed to resolve it. In fact, you would probably spend your time doing this if they went the other way on this.

Wage suppression through stauration of the labour market from external sources was one of the big reasons for working class people voting for Brexit and abandoning Labour. They felt like Labour had abandoned their core beliefs by doing the exact thing you are telling them to do to stick to their core beliefs. Whether you agree with those reasons or not, it had a profound effect on the political leanings of their target demographic.

It's why it's stupid telling them to stick with their core beliefs and making out as if that involves rigid policy. The world's economy has now changed and they need to change with it and adapt to what is happening.

Wage suppression through stauration of the labour market
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What?

OECD, most economists, are saying UK will have a deeper recession than almost all developed economies because we lack labour and need immigration.

What saturation of the market? We are in this pickle is because we need more workers not less!

People were sold a lie on brexit. The reason for lower wages was not because of 'saturation' of the labour market. It was and still is because of low productivity.

And I voted for brexit

Can't believe Labour are now happy to agree with UKIP and Farage!

Except they're not

Why would you jump to that based on upping skills in the UK?

SNP MP Joanna Cherry has claimed a email from a Ministry of Justice address told staff that phrases such as "protecting women and girls" and "same $ex attraction" is transphobic

Its the usual nonsense of upskilling workers. We have almost 50% going into high education now compared to the 90s when I was in Uni. m8. Its always trotted out and its not the issue.

Lets not try to pretend what Labour are doing Crouch. Its naked attempt to win back those working class Brexit voters in the north. And it won't work. The Cons laid a trap for Labour and they are walking into it. Cons moved to centre with Sunak/Hunt and left Labour to move into the space they vacated. But when it comes to a general election in two years people won't buy it and the Conservatives will make it all about Brexit again reminding ppl Labour were against it.

When really it should be about the economy and what would be best to come out of the recession we are heading into. Including rejoining some sort of the common market. Be it a Swiss model or another. They should promoting immigration as a way out rather than the opposite.

No it was a speech to the CBI talking about investment in the UK just the headlines have been about one sentence on immigration because of the reaction they knew it would get from people who didn't listen to/read the speech

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SNP MP Joanna Cherry has claimed a email from a Ministry of Justice address told staff that phrases such as "protecting women and girls" and "same $ex attraction" is transphobic
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Aren't you sick of discourse around trans?

Lets see if there is a policy as it rolls out, Crouch. Words matter m8.

I know they do, that's why I actually read what he said

Are they proposing going back into the EU? Or improving on the deal?

Current stance is still "there's no going back" but on it he said something about regulatory cohesion on food and finance standards as well as something about NIP

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SNP MP Joanna Cherry has claimed a email from a Ministry of Justice address told staff that phrases such as "protecting women and girls" and "same $ex attraction" is transphobic
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Aren't you sick of discourse around trans?
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It's rhetoric used by politicians to somehow look profound. It's not something the general public talk about. In Scotland you can get gender surgery on the NHS and the few trans people I know are thankful for that and don't feel the need for the linguistic nonsense

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comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
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SNP MP Joanna Cherry has claimed a email from a Ministry of Justice address told staff that phrases such as "protecting women and girls" and "same $ex attraction" is transphobic
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Aren't you sick of discourse around trans?
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It's also another way of causing segregation. If I felt like a woman then I would expect to be included in that conversation not as an extra

Aye it's a complicated fringe issue in which both sides have justifiable concerns and there's no perfect solution... Excuse the poor choice of words but a general rule when discussing it should be "don't be a diiiiick"