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posted on 27/11/22

Donald Trump having dinner with actual naaazi and holocaust denier Nick Fuentes. It’s baffling how there seems to be no bar too low that would lose him his fanbase.

posted on 27/11/22

comment by Robb - Anti Growth Coallition and Proud (U22716)
posted 30 minutes ago
Donald Trump having dinner with actual naaazi and holocaust denier Nick Fuentes. It’s baffling how there seems to be no bar too low that would lose him his fanbase.
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His fanbase is the Fuentes type.

posted on 27/11/22

Kanye West was there for a bit of balance.

posted on 27/11/22

The Labour party narrative, workers wouldn't be on strike if we were in charge.

Various interviewers to various Labour mp's, oh so you'd pay them what they want then?

Labour mp's, now we never said that.

Various Interviewers, so how much would you give them?

Labour mp's, we don't know.

My conclusion, Brexiteer Grinch and his gang would be in exactly the same place under Labour.

No wonder Starmer won't let the Shadow Cabinet anywhere near the picket lines. If as expected he wins the next GE the unions will bring him down very quickly.

posted on 27/11/22

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Labour party narrative, workers wouldn't be on strike if we were in charge.

Various interviewers to various Labour mp's, oh so you'd pay them what they want then?

Labour mp's, now we never said that.

Various Interviewers, so how much would you give them?

Labour mp's, we don't know.

My conclusion, Brexiteer Grinch and his gang would be in exactly the same place under Labour.

No wonder Starmer won't let the Shadow Cabinet anywhere near the picket lines. If as expected he wins the next GE the unions will bring him down very quickly.
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Knowing what we know about the shocking current crisis in the Secondary Care National Health Service (as highlighted by the Tory Sunday Papers today), what payrise would you give the striking Nurses to keep them happy and working in the NHS?

posted on 27/11/22

Morning Pawl

posted on 27/11/22

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 42 minutes ago
Kanye West was there for a bit of balance.
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Another waste of oxygen

posted on 27/11/22

comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Labour party narrative, workers wouldn't be on strike if we were in charge.

Various interviewers to various Labour mp's, oh so you'd pay them what they want then?

Labour mp's, now we never said that.

Various Interviewers, so how much would you give them?

Labour mp's, we don't know.

My conclusion, Brexiteer Grinch and his gang would be in exactly the same place under Labour.

No wonder Starmer won't let the Shadow Cabinet anywhere near the picket lines. If as expected he wins the next GE the unions will bring him down very quickly.
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Knowing what we know about the shocking current crisis in the Secondary Care National Health Service (as highlighted by the Tory Sunday Papers today), what payrise would you give the striking Nurses to keep them happy and working in the NHS?
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10% for nurses,

Nothing for train drivers.

Each claim should be taken on its own merits.

posted on 27/11/22

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Labour party narrative, workers wouldn't be on strike if we were in charge.

Various interviewers to various Labour mp's, oh so you'd pay them what they want then?

Labour mp's, now we never said that.

Various Interviewers, so how much would you give them?

Labour mp's, we don't know.

My conclusion, Brexiteer Grinch and his gang would be in exactly the same place under Labour.

No wonder Starmer won't let the Shadow Cabinet anywhere near the picket lines. If as expected he wins the next GE the unions will bring him down very quickly.
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Knowing what we know about the shocking current crisis in the Secondary Care National Health Service (as highlighted by the Tory Sunday Papers today), what payrise would you give the striking Nurses to keep them happy and working in the NHS?
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10% for nurses,

Nothing for train drivers.

Each claim should be taken on its own merits.


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I would agree with that. Train drivers earn a feck load of money

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 27/11/22

It blind ignorance not knowing that it's not just train drivers on strike, in fact train drivers are a small proportion of those Union members enacting their basic right to withdraw their labour.

Where is the conservative Minister of Transport? The person that sets the red lines that the rail delivery group negotiators have to abide by.

posted on 27/11/22

Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 48% (+1)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDM: 9% (=)
RFM: 5% (-1)
GRN: 5% (=)

Via @YouGov, TBC.
Changes w/ 15-16 Nov.

INJECT IT INTO MY COOOOCK

posted on 27/11/22

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
It blind ignorance not knowing that it's not just train drivers on strike, in fact train drivers are a small proportion of those Union members enacting their basic right to withdraw their labour.

Where is the conservative Minister of Transport? The person that sets the red lines that the rail delivery group negotiators have to abide by.
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I never said it was only train drivers on strike?

You don't agree with me and that's fine but don't misrepresent me.

posted on 27/11/22

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted about a minute ago
It blind ignorance not knowing that it's not just train drivers on strike, in fact train drivers are a small proportion of those Union members enacting their basic right to withdraw their labour.

Where is the conservative Minister of Transport? The person that sets the red lines that the rail delivery group negotiators have to abide by.
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For me it doesn't really matter who is on strike. I am more concerned with the economics of bringing down inflation and you don't achive that aim withh huge public and private sector wage increases. Sadly we are all in this sh t storm together and we all need to suffer hardship together until we get out of this mess.

So we need to keep wage increases across both private and public sectors to a max of 5 percent in my view. I am happy to make an acception for nurses and doctors etc cause they have been financially abused for decades.

posted on 27/11/22

Feck knows what acception means

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 27/11/22

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
It blind ignorance not knowing that it's not just train drivers on strike, in fact train drivers are a small proportion of those Union members enacting their basic right to withdraw their labour.

Where is the conservative Minister of Transport? The person that sets the red lines that the rail delivery group negotiators have to abide by.
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I never said it was only train drivers on strike?

You don't agree with me and that's fine but don't misrepresent me.
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"Nothing for train drivers."

You brought the small proportion of union members being represented by the Brexiteer Grinch into the conversation, it's not misrepresentation in the context of your constant faux outrage.

posted on 27/11/22

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
It blind ignorance not knowing that it's not just train drivers on strike, in fact train drivers are a small proportion of those Union members enacting their basic right to withdraw their labour.

Where is the conservative Minister of Transport? The person that sets the red lines that the rail delivery group negotiators have to abide by.
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I never said it was only train drivers on strike?

You don't agree with me and that's fine but don't misrepresent me.
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"Nothing for train drivers."

You brought the small proportion of union members being represented by the Brexiteer Grinch into the conversation, it's not misrepresentation in the context of your constant faux outrage.

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I've got no problem with rail workers at the lower end of the pay scale getting let's say an 8% raise but it needs to be done in conjunction with a study of which positions are necessary.

On QT on Thurs there was a woman saying that with tech advances Skipton Station is now overstaffed and I wonder how many other examples there are of that up and down the country.

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 27/11/22

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted about a minute ago
It blind ignorance not knowing that it's not just train drivers on strike, in fact train drivers are a small proportion of those Union members enacting their basic right to withdraw their labour.

Where is the conservative Minister of Transport? The person that sets the red lines that the rail delivery group negotiators have to abide by.
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For me it doesn't really matter who is on strike. I am more concerned with the economics of bringing down inflation and you don't achive that aim withh huge public and private sector wage increases. Sadly we are all in this sh t storm together and we all need to suffer hardship together until we get out of this mess.

So we need to keep wage increases across both private and public sectors to a max of 5 percent in my view. I am happy to make an acception for nurses and doctors etc cause they have been financially abused for decades.
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If there was a definitive plan in place, a schedule of pay rises and/or initiatives over work/shift patterns I might agree with you but the unions (elected representatives of the workers) are being demonised as militants when all they're doing is their job.
The immature nature of this government, from PM down make trust and respect impossible, negotiations rely on good faith. Good companies talk to their employees, good companies work with their employees, pay is only one part of creating a good business.

posted on 27/11/22

Mick Whelan, the ASLEF boss is getting an easy ride here.

He represents most of the actual train drivers.

posted on 27/11/22

Two separate issues for me. This govt sucks and I can't wait to see the tories kicked out.

But pay rises above 5 or 6 percent I think will just mean high inflation remaining with us for much longer and that would be awful. For me take the pain and medicine now and we will all be better off much sooner. Inflation is the absolute enemy.

It is highly likely the Ukraine war will be over in the next 9 months when that happens inflation will come down a lot but if everyone gets huge pay rises in the meantime it won't come down that much.

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 27/11/22

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
It blind ignorance not knowing that it's not just train drivers on strike, in fact train drivers are a small proportion of those Union members enacting their basic right to withdraw their labour.

Where is the conservative Minister of Transport? The person that sets the red lines that the rail delivery group negotiators have to abide by.
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I never said it was only train drivers on strike?

You don't agree with me and that's fine but don't misrepresent me.
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"Nothing for train drivers."

You brought the small proportion of union members being represented by the Brexiteer Grinch into the conversation, it's not misrepresentation in the context of your constant faux outrage.

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I've got no problem with rail workers at the lower end of the pay scale getting let's say an 8% raise but it needs to be done in conjunction with a study of which positions are necessary.

On QT on Thurs there was a woman saying that with tech advances Skipton Station is now overstaffed and I wonder how many other examples there are of that up and down the country.
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Where's your conservative minister of Transport?
This is literally his brief, if negotiations have stalled he needs to be stepping in to bang heads together.

posted on 27/11/22

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Labour party narrative, workers wouldn't be on strike if we were in charge.

Various interviewers to various Labour mp's, oh so you'd pay them what they want then?

Labour mp's, now we never said that.

Various Interviewers, so how much would you give them?

Labour mp's, we don't know.

My conclusion, Brexiteer Grinch and his gang would be in exactly the same place under Labour.

No wonder Starmer won't let the Shadow Cabinet anywhere near the picket lines. If as expected he wins the next GE the unions will bring him down very quickly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Knowing what we know about the shocking current crisis in the Secondary Care National Health Service (as highlighted by the Tory Sunday Papers today), what payrise would you give the striking Nurses to keep them happy and working in the NHS?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
10% for nurses,

Nothing for train drivers.

Each claim should be taken on its own merits.


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so you will offer them pay cuts

posted on 27/11/22

its not just train drivers. Its all the train workers who are striking. You either know this Pawl or you are as thick as mince.

posted on 27/11/22

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
Two separate issues for me. This govt sucks and I can't wait to see the tories kicked out.

But pay rises above 5 or 6 percent I think will just mean high inflation remaining with us for much longer and that would be awful. For me take the pain and medicine now and we will all be better off much sooner. Inflation is the absolute enemy.

It is highly likely the Ukraine war will be over in the next 9 months when that happens inflation will come down a lot but if everyone gets huge pay rises in the meantime it won't come down that much.
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We're getting to the stage where some people are earning less than their financial committments because of an effective pay freeze that's been ongoing since before Covid.

Many people are having to make a stand, obviously not £80k pa train drivers but people at the lower end of the spectrum.

posted on 27/11/22

comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 seconds ago
its not just train drivers. Its all the train workers who are striking. You either know this Pawl or you are as thick as mince.
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You might not agree with me but don't put words in my mouth.

You only have to read back a few comments to see that I have given my thoughts on lower paid rail workers salaries.

posted on 27/11/22

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 7 minutes ago
Two separate issues for me. This govt sucks and I can't wait to see the tories kicked out.

But pay rises above 5 or 6 percent I think will just mean high inflation remaining with us for much longer and that would be awful. For me take the pain and medicine now and we will all be better off much sooner. Inflation is the absolute enemy.

It is highly likely the Ukraine war will be over in the next 9 months when that happens inflation will come down a lot but if everyone gets huge pay rises in the meantime it won't come down that much.
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You realise when inflation drops prices, the prices as they are currently are here to stay, and people cant afford to live.

inflation is driving wage requests, not the other way round, the only justification for raising prices as a result of raising wages is to keep dividends/profits high.

which is exactly the greed causing these issues we see in society

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