Only plebs get sacked, toffs resign

comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 16 minutes ago
Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 48% (+1)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDM: 10% (=)
RFM: 7% (-1)
GRN: 5% (+1)
SNP: 3% (-1)

Via @Omnisis, 15-16 Feb.
Changes w/ 8-9 Feb.


Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 48% (+1)
CON: 27% (+1)
LDM: 8% (-1)
RFM: 6% (=)
GRN: 5% (=)
SNP: 3% (-1)

Via @techneUK, 15-16 Feb.
Changes w/ 8-9 Feb.
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The 30p Lee bounce in full effect

I think Corbyn at heart is actually a very good person who I agree with on a lot of things (defence ideas not so much). However some of his cult followers are as dangerous and mental as any you’ll see on the right.

Scottish Westminster Voting Intention:

SNP: 38.2%
LAB: 35.4%
CON: 15.5%
LDM: 5.6%
GRN: 2.7%

Via @YouGov, 10-15 Feb.

NICOLA BOUNCE

comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 38 minutes ago
"I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him"

I think it might be a bit of a) because he lost, and people are bitter about that (understandably), and a bit of b) because people are trying, in a round-about way, to defend Starmer, his leadership and his New New Labour experiment.

I honestly don't think people would be bearing such a grudge against him if he hadn't had the whip removed and been treated as a complete pariah.
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Neither of those for me. I have no plans to vote Labour next election, as they have no hope of winning in my constituency. Im not a Labour member. So I don't need to defend Starmer and I'm not bitter about Corbyn losing, as I didn't vote for him in 2019.

I just think Corbyn has a weird cult around him and will be defended regardless of what he does. To the point where people will apply completely different standards to him and defend something they would attack other political parties for.

And if he was it would have remained irrelevant, he's a backbencher
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Thing is he's never going to remain irrelevant, you can see that with Sunak still using him as an attack line against Starmer.

He's rightly or wrongly viewed as poison to the wider electorate, and there will 100% be voters out there not voting for a Labour party that involves him even as a backbencher.

I actually think the whole situation sums up Corbyn. A man of principle but he seems to naively put those principles above the bigger picture.

As you say he's 74 and he could quietly retire or simply decide to run as an independent, but he believes he's in the right, so he'll instead kick up a fuss likely to Labour's detriment.

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 38 minutes ago
"I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him"

I think it might be a bit of a) because he lost, and people are bitter about that (understandably), and a bit of b) because people are trying, in a round-about way, to defend Starmer, his leadership and his New New Labour experiment.

I honestly don't think people would be bearing such a grudge against him if he hadn't had the whip removed and been treated as a complete pariah.
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Neither of those for me. I have no plans to vote Labour next election, as they have no hope of winning in my constituency. Im not a Labour member. So I don't need to defend Starmer and I'm not bitter about Corbyn losing, as I didn't vote for him in 2019.

I just think Corbyn has a weird cult around him and will be defended regardless of what he does. To the point where people will apply completely different standards to him and defend something they would attack other political parties for.
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In fairness, that will happen when people see Corbyn attacked regardless of what he does.

For me, he was the last person with any sort of integrity to come close to power for a long, long time.

If you commited a non-violent, non-sexual crime that you were caught, convicted and sentenced to 6 months in jail for, but, then had the option, entirely your decision, to get say 10 lashes of the birch instead, what would you choose?

*Never going to happen, corporal punishment is a tool from a bygone era, somebody has to deliver the strokes.

I honestly think I'd take the beating.

The Daily Fail just breaks every record they make for utter drivel

https://twitter.com/amandajplatell/status/1626149567971446792?s=46&t=tDXzZ_zURe7HWHed8QV5WA

Getting a woman to front that misogyny is especially nasty

Facking hell, look at this judgement on Just Stop Oil

https://twitter.com/rachelconnoll14/status/1626579384139419650?s=46&t=tDXzZ_zURe7HWHed8QV5WA

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 35 minutes ago
If you commited a non-violent, non-sexual crime that you were caught, convicted and sentenced to 6 months in jail for, but, then had the option, entirely your decision, to get say 10 lashes of the birch instead, what would you choose?

*Never going to happen, corporal punishment is a tool from a bygone era, somebody has to deliver the strokes.

I honestly think I'd take the beating.
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Yeah beating for sure,

comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 18 minutes ago
Facking hell, look at this judgement on Just Stop Oil

https://twitter.com/rachelconnoll14/status/1626579384139419650?s=46&t=tDXzZ_zURe7HWHed8QV5WA
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TBF I don't think most folk have an issue with what they are protesting about, just the way they do it.

comment by Pranks Baby (U22336)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 18 minutes ago
Facking hell, look at this judgement on Just Stop Oil

https://twitter.com/rachelconnoll14/status/1626579384139419650?s=46&t=tDXzZ_zURe7HWHed8QV5WA
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TBF I don't think most folk have an issue with what they are protesting about, just the way they do it.


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Thats the point of protests ffs

If they donet upset anybody they donet have any affect

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 38 minutes ago
"I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him"

I think it might be a bit of a) because he lost, and people are bitter about that (understandably), and a bit of b) because people are trying, in a round-about way, to defend Starmer, his leadership and his New New Labour experiment.

I honestly don't think people would be bearing such a grudge against him if he hadn't had the whip removed and been treated as a complete pariah.
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Neither of those for me. I have no plans to vote Labour next election, as they have no hope of winning in my constituency. Im not a Labour member. So I don't need to defend Starmer and I'm not bitter about Corbyn losing, as I didn't vote for him in 2019.

I just think Corbyn has a weird cult around him and will be defended regardless of what he does. To the point where people will apply completely different standards to him and defend something they would attack other political parties for.
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In fairness, that will happen when people see Corbyn attacked regardless of what he does.

For me, he was the last person with any sort of integrity to come close to power for a long, long time.
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That election was a crossroads. I don't agree with everything Corbyn but he was a chance for us to go in a different direction and we'd have been better off for it.

Corbyn had a lot of revolutionary ideas. This country has always been a leader and shown the way to the rest of the world and Corbyn was our chance to show the world a new way IMO. Instead we went the other way and made ourselves a laughing stock and ruined our economy and being part of a right wing wave is embarrassing.

comment by #4zA - Ha da passa a nuttata (U22472)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Pranks Baby (U22336)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 18 minutes ago
Facking hell, look at this judgement on Just Stop Oil

https://twitter.com/rachelconnoll14/status/1626579384139419650?s=46&t=tDXzZ_zURe7HWHed8QV5WA
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TBF I don't think most folk have an issue with what they are protesting about, just the way they do it.


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Thats the point of protests ffs

If they donet upset anybody they donet have any affect
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In this particular case it was great they targeted the source if you like

Blocking the M25 in prime time ain't gonna win any support for your cause.

comment by Thorgen son of Kloppin - Mjolnir... To me! (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 38 minutes ago
"I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him"

I think it might be a bit of a) because he lost, and people are bitter about that (understandably), and a bit of b) because people are trying, in a round-about way, to defend Starmer, his leadership and his New New Labour experiment.

I honestly don't think people would be bearing such a grudge against him if he hadn't had the whip removed and been treated as a complete pariah.
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Neither of those for me. I have no plans to vote Labour next election, as they have no hope of winning in my constituency. Im not a Labour member. So I don't need to defend Starmer and I'm not bitter about Corbyn losing, as I didn't vote for him in 2019.

I just think Corbyn has a weird cult around him and will be defended regardless of what he does. To the point where people will apply completely different standards to him and defend something they would attack other political parties for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In fairness, that will happen when people see Corbyn attacked regardless of what he does.

For me, he was the last person with any sort of integrity to come close to power for a long, long time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That election was a crossroads. I don't agree with everything Corbyn but he was a chance for us to go in a different direction and we'd have been better off for it.

Corbyn had a lot of revolutionary ideas. This country has always been a leader and shown the way to the rest of the world and Corbyn was our chance to show the world a new way IMO. Instead we went the other way and made ourselves a laughing stock and ruined our economy and being part of a right wing wave is embarrassing.
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What were your favourite of his ideas?

I'm not sure there are many things that annoy me more than people complaining about climate change protesters.

'The world uis on fire and we only have a short amount of time to save the planet for our children'

' I'm late for my tea time '

Cvnts.

comment by Pranks Baby (U22336)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by #4zA - Ha da passa a nuttata (U22472)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Pranks Baby (U22336)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 18 minutes ago
Facking hell, look at this judgement on Just Stop Oil

https://twitter.com/rachelconnoll14/status/1626579384139419650?s=46&t=tDXzZ_zURe7HWHed8QV5WA
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TBF I don't think most folk have an issue with what they are protesting about, just the way they do it.


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Thats the point of protests ffs

If they donet upset anybody they donet have any affect
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In this particular case it was great they targeted the source if you like

Blocking the M25 in prime time ain't gonna win any support for your cause.


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It can do

comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'm not sure there are many things that annoy me more than people complaining about climate change protesters.

'The world uis on fire and we only have a short amount of time to save the planet for our children'

'I'm late for my tea time'

Cvnts.
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And throwing soup on paintings that helps too

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen son of Kloppin - Mjolnir... To me! (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 38 minutes ago
"I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him"

I think it might be a bit of a) because he lost, and people are bitter about that (understandably), and a bit of b) because people are trying, in a round-about way, to defend Starmer, his leadership and his New New Labour experiment.

I honestly don't think people would be bearing such a grudge against him if he hadn't had the whip removed and been treated as a complete pariah.
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Neither of those for me. I have no plans to vote Labour next election, as they have no hope of winning in my constituency. Im not a Labour member. So I don't need to defend Starmer and I'm not bitter about Corbyn losing, as I didn't vote for him in 2019.

I just think Corbyn has a weird cult around him and will be defended regardless of what he does. To the point where people will apply completely different standards to him and defend something they would attack other political parties for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In fairness, that will happen when people see Corbyn attacked regardless of what he does.

For me, he was the last person with any sort of integrity to come close to power for a long, long time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That election was a crossroads. I don't agree with everything Corbyn but he was a chance for us to go in a different direction and we'd have been better off for it.

Corbyn had a lot of revolutionary ideas. This country has always been a leader and shown the way to the rest of the world and Corbyn was our chance to show the world a new way IMO. Instead we went the other way and made ourselves a laughing stock and ruined our economy and being part of a right wing wave is embarrassing.
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What were your favourite of his ideas?
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Simplified

Broadband to be like power and water and sewer services.
Renationalisation of public utilities and the railways.
Anti-war and anti-nuclear
Foreign policy of military non-interventionism
Nuclear disarmament
Approach to austerity
Approach to housing and cost of housing
Approach to taxes
Approach to trade unions
Approach to health and NHS
Approach to education.
Approach to energy and transport

There's too many tbh, but decriminalisation of weed is my top top favourite.

comment by Thorgen son of Kloppin - Mjolnir... To me! (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen son of Kloppin - Mjolnir... To me! (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 38 minutes ago
"I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him"

I think it might be a bit of a) because he lost, and people are bitter about that (understandably), and a bit of b) because people are trying, in a round-about way, to defend Starmer, his leadership and his New New Labour experiment.

I honestly don't think people would be bearing such a grudge against him if he hadn't had the whip removed and been treated as a complete pariah.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Neither of those for me. I have no plans to vote Labour next election, as they have no hope of winning in my constituency. Im not a Labour member. So I don't need to defend Starmer and I'm not bitter about Corbyn losing, as I didn't vote for him in 2019.

I just think Corbyn has a weird cult around him and will be defended regardless of what he does. To the point where people will apply completely different standards to him and defend something they would attack other political parties for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In fairness, that will happen when people see Corbyn attacked regardless of what he does.

For me, he was the last person with any sort of integrity to come close to power for a long, long time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That election was a crossroads. I don't agree with everything Corbyn but he was a chance for us to go in a different direction and we'd have been better off for it.

Corbyn had a lot of revolutionary ideas. This country has always been a leader and shown the way to the rest of the world and Corbyn was our chance to show the world a new way IMO. Instead we went the other way and made ourselves a laughing stock and ruined our economy and being part of a right wing wave is embarrassing.
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What were your favourite of his ideas?
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Simplified

Broadband to be like power and water and sewer services.
Renationalisation of public utilities and the railways.
Anti-war and anti-nuclear
Foreign policy of military non-interventionism
Nuclear disarmament
Approach to austerity
Approach to housing and cost of housing
Approach to taxes
Approach to trade unions
Approach to health and NHS
Approach to education.
Approach to energy and transport

There's too many tbh, but decriminalisation of weed is my top top favourite.


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We have weed shops now hear in CT

comment by Thorgen son of Kloppin - Mjolnir... To me! (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen son of Kloppin - Mjolnir... To me! (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 38 minutes ago
"I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him"

I think it might be a bit of a) because he lost, and people are bitter about that (understandably), and a bit of b) because people are trying, in a round-about way, to defend Starmer, his leadership and his New New Labour experiment.

I honestly don't think people would be bearing such a grudge against him if he hadn't had the whip removed and been treated as a complete pariah.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Neither of those for me. I have no plans to vote Labour next election, as they have no hope of winning in my constituency. Im not a Labour member. So I don't need to defend Starmer and I'm not bitter about Corbyn losing, as I didn't vote for him in 2019.

I just think Corbyn has a weird cult around him and will be defended regardless of what he does. To the point where people will apply completely different standards to him and defend something they would attack other political parties for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In fairness, that will happen when people see Corbyn attacked regardless of what he does.

For me, he was the last person with any sort of integrity to come close to power for a long, long time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That election was a crossroads. I don't agree with everything Corbyn but he was a chance for us to go in a different direction and we'd have been better off for it.

Corbyn had a lot of revolutionary ideas. This country has always been a leader and shown the way to the rest of the world and Corbyn was our chance to show the world a new way IMO. Instead we went the other way and made ourselves a laughing stock and ruined our economy and being part of a right wing wave is embarrassing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What were your favourite of his ideas?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Simplified

Broadband to be like power and water and sewer services.
Renationalisation of public utilities and the railways.
Anti-war and anti-nuclear
Foreign policy of military non-interventionism
Nuclear disarmament
Approach to austerity
Approach to housing and cost of housing
Approach to taxes
Approach to trade unions
Approach to health and NHS
Approach to education.
Approach to energy and transport

There's too many tbh, but decriminalisation of weed is my top top favourite.


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Top top favourite. Double top. Duly noted.

The more I think about trade unions the more I think we’ve been gaslit about them…

Am I right to believe the core leadership team within a union is made up of former employees or the industries they represent? … experts you could say

So when they offer an opinion on how a business decision will affect their members we should pay attention and pay it some creed?

I draw comparisons with Brexit/Covid where experts were shot down by populist loons