comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
A lectures about the futility of leaving behind a trading partner from a brexiteer.
The chance, however slim, of ever regaining my EU passport and all the benefits it carries over the stupid retrograde British one is my sole reason.
Economically, Neil Kinnock made a comment recently about the recent EU commission meeting and it summed things up for me "if you're not at the table, you're on the menu".
I do wonder how come a country smaller than Scotland, like Ireland, are flying but some say Scotland would struggle. How does that work?
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I’m not sure how an observation could be read as a lecture but hey ho.
The chances for rejoining the EU are almost negligible I’d suggest as opposed to being slim, but again that’s mere interpretation of meaning.
But Neil Kinnock “says”???
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You, a successful, smart businessman, chooses to avoid the point, hey ho.
How did the Baltic states survive post soviet collapse?
Scotland has greater natural resources than them and arguably a far greater educated population now as they did then. Scotland wouldn't be starting from anywhere near the scratch levels they did, it would have its share of UK resources/debt to build on.
If its what Scots decide, I've every faith in my countryfolk.
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I hardly think I’ve avoided the point at all.
I’ve often raised many concerns as to the viability of an independent Scotland. Of course it wouldn’t fall off the face of the planet but to deny it would face many years of hardship even more so than it does now whilst it transcends to a single nation I believe would be far to high a cost to bear. And that gap is getting worse.
In my heart I’d like nothing more, but until some basic questions are answered and a believable financial plan or at least an understanding is forthcoming, then it’s a massive no for me.
As it would appear for the majority of Scots now. There’s less want it now than back at the last referendum albeit that could partially be a timing issue.
Let’s see how Keith fares in the polls following the undemocratic expulsion of Corby, he’s pissssed off a lot of people.
Once again the pro Labour media bias is in full effect.
Sturgeons resignation is apparently a potential vote winner in Scotland for Starmer. I don't necessarily agree with that but as they currently only have one Scottish mp I guess it can't make things much worse.
However one thing that is beyond doubt is that Corbyns refusal to go quietly and subsequent row with Starmer over being allowed to fight for his seat under a Labour banner (at the next GE) will hurt Sir Keir. This will give the electorate a constant reminder that Starmer served under Jeremy and was the architect of their disastrous Brexit plan.
I haven't heard any of Sky/BBC or ITV refect on how much of a plus the Corbyn v Starmer battle will be for the Tories?
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
Once again the pro Labour media bias is in full effect.
Sturgeons resignation is apparently a potential vote winner in Scotland for Starmer. I don't necessarily agree with that but as they currently only have one Scottish mp I guess it can't make things much worse.
However one thing that is beyond doubt is that Corbyns refusal to go quietly and subsequent row with Starmer over being allowed to fight for his seat under a Labour banner (at the next GE) will hurt Sir Keir. This will give the electorate a constant reminder that Starmer served under Jeremy and was the architect of their disastrous Brexit plan.
I haven't heard any of Sky/BBC or ITV refect on how much of a plus the Corbyn v Starmer battle will be for the Tories?
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What a complete load of utter bollox
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
A lectures about the futility of leaving behind a trading partner from a brexiteer.
The chance, however slim, of ever regaining my EU passport and all the benefits it carries over the stupid retrograde British one is my sole reason.
Economically, Neil Kinnock made a comment recently about the recent EU commission meeting and it summed things up for me "if you're not at the table, you're on the menu".
I do wonder how come a country smaller than Scotland, like Ireland, are flying but some say Scotland would struggle. How does that work?
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I’m not sure how an observation could be read as a lecture but hey ho.
The chances for rejoining the EU are almost negligible I’d suggest as opposed to being slim, but again that’s mere interpretation of meaning.
But Neil Kinnock “says”???
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You, a successful, smart businessman, chooses to avoid the point, hey ho.
How did the Baltic states survive post soviet collapse?
Scotland has greater natural resources than them and arguably a far greater educated population now as they did then. Scotland wouldn't be starting from anywhere near the scratch levels they did, it would have its share of UK resources/debt to build on.
If its what Scots decide, I've every faith in my countryfolk.
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The main problem as I see it Hec is Scottish independence would create a raft of customs/regulatory barriers within the UK.
Scotland would have to make the choice to align with England and Wales (to avoid a customs/regulatory border). Despite having no representation in Westminster.
Or align with the EU SM/CU. And then there’s the fallout of whatever happens with the NIP, and how those arrangements impact Scotland dependent on which regulatory/customs territory they chose to occupy.
If I was pushing for Scottish independence, (which I have a lot of sympathy for) would wait to the landscape is a bit more settled.
The UK still hasn’t even fully implemented it’s (SPS) border with the EU yet, as the government realise (which begs the question what benefits they thought deregulating could provide in the first place) in doing so would cause even more harm to UK businesses.
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 45 minutes ago
Let’s see how Keith fares in the polls following the undemocratic expulsion of Corby, he’s pissssed off a lot of people.
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The majority of people probably won't notice it and generally, the swing voters who wouldn't vote for Corbyn are probably in favour of it.
I imagine there will be little difference.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
A lectures about the futility of leaving behind a trading partner from a brexiteer.
The chance, however slim, of ever regaining my EU passport and all the benefits it carries over the stupid retrograde British one is my sole reason.
Economically, Neil Kinnock made a comment recently about the recent EU commission meeting and it summed things up for me "if you're not at the table, you're on the menu".
I do wonder how come a country smaller than Scotland, like Ireland, are flying but some say Scotland would struggle. How does that work?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not sure how an observation could be read as a lecture but hey ho.
The chances for rejoining the EU are almost negligible I’d suggest as opposed to being slim, but again that’s mere interpretation of meaning.
But Neil Kinnock “says”???
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You, a successful, smart businessman, chooses to avoid the point, hey ho.
How did the Baltic states survive post soviet collapse?
Scotland has greater natural resources than them and arguably a far greater educated population now as they did then. Scotland wouldn't be starting from anywhere near the scratch levels they did, it would have its share of UK resources/debt to build on.
If its what Scots decide, I've every faith in my countryfolk.
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The main problem as I see it Hec is Scottish independence would create a raft of customs/regulatory barriers within the UK.
Scotland would have to make the choice to align with England and Wales (to avoid a customs/regulatory border). Despite having no representation in Westminster.
Or align with the EU SM/CU. And then there’s the fallout of whatever happens with the NIP, and how those arrangements impact Scotland dependent on which regulatory/customs territory they chose to occupy.
If I was pushing for Scottish independence, (which I have a lot of sympathy for) would wait to the landscape is a bit more settled.
The UK still hasn’t even fully implemented it’s (SPS) border with the EU yet, as the government realise (which begs the question what benefits they thought deregulating could provide in the first place) in doing so would cause even more harm to UK businesses.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We're just surmising, albeit from a wiser place than the hard Brexit the conservative party chose to subject us all too with all the avoidable problems it has created and which no sensible person would want to repeat.
There would be a withdrawal agreement with rUK and with the EU (if that's the way it decides to go).
Right now it's all it's, buts and maybes and Scotland would need to decide which way to jump.
To repeat, I'm not a Nationalist, I just think it's Scotland's choice, that denying a 2nd referendum is undemocratic considering the SNP consistently win elections with an indy vote in their mandate and IF they were to choose independence that the problems are not insurmountable and I don't think future talks would be as bitter and nasty as the Brexit withdrawal ones were.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 45 minutes ago
Let’s see how Keith fares in the polls following the undemocratic expulsion of Corby, he’s pissssed off a lot of people.
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The majority of people probably won't notice it and generally, the swing voters who wouldn't vote for Corbyn are probably in favour of it.
I imagine there will be little difference.
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Sad end to his Labour career but I agree nobody outside the Westminster bubble will care.
I hope he stands as an independent, the good people of Islington love him, he's a good man and an excellent constituency MP.
The government will not appeal a court ruling that said its EU Settlement Scheme is unlawful, the Home Office has confirmed.
The scheme was brought in by the government in March 2019 and would have seen more than 2.5 million EU citizens face automatically losing their right to live in the UK if they did not make another application for settled or pre-settled status within five years.
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 45 minutes ago
Let’s see how Keith fares in the polls following the undemocratic expulsion of Corby, he’s pissssed off a lot of people.
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The majority of people probably won't notice it and generally, the swing voters who wouldn't vote for Corbyn are probably in favour of it.
I imagine there will be little difference.
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"Undemocratic"
The CLP will still get to pick a candidate just Corbyn won't get on the long list
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 45 minutes ago
Let’s see how Keith fares in the polls following the undemocratic expulsion of Corby, he’s pissssed off a lot of people.
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The majority of people probably won't notice it and generally, the swing voters who wouldn't vote for Corbyn are probably in favour of it.
I imagine there will be little difference.
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Sad end to his Labour career but I agree nobody outside the Westminster bubble will care.
I hope he stands as an independent, the good people of Islington love him, he's a good man and an excellent constituency MP.
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Agree
Corbyn is loved by some, there's a cafe outside the station with his picture all over the sign in the shape of a loveheart
But he also regularly gets heckled when walking up Stroud green road, he's not universally popular and will likely lose if he stands as an independent
This will give the electorate a constant reminder that Starmer served under Jeremy and was the architect of their disastrous Brexit plan.
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Good job then the current leader of the Tory party didn't serve under a PM who resigned in disgrace and implemented the current award winning Brexit we're seeing today.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted about 3 hours ago
This will give the electorate a constant reminder that Starmer served under Jeremy and was the architect of their disastrous Brexit plan.
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Good job then the current leader of the Tory party didn't serve under a PM who resigned in disgrace and implemented the current award winning Brexit we're seeing today.
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The same fella that begged Labour to meet them in a posh country house to plead for their ideas on how to dig the country out of the mire he and his party sploshed us into.
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 4 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 45 minutes ago
Let’s see how Keith fares in the polls following the undemocratic expulsion of Corby, he’s pissssed off a lot of people.
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The majority of people probably won't notice it and generally, the swing voters who wouldn't vote for Corbyn are probably in favour of it.
I imagine there will be little difference.
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"Undemocratic"
The CLP will still get to pick a candidate just Corbyn won't get on the long list
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So they don't get to pick.
Because they would pick him, as they did last time.
That's just the way it works and the way it has always worked
I think you're right, there's a very high likelihood they would pick him if he was a candidate but to call it undemocratic is inaccurate and many of Corbyns actions since losing the election in 2019 could be regarded as undemocratic
To backup that point^
While I personally am a fan of Corbyn I know he does alienate a lot of the home county Labour voters from experience (ironically often the Brexit supporting labour voters)
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 52 minutes ago
That's just the way it works and the way it has always worked
I think you're right, there's a very high likelihood they would pick him if he was a candidate but to call it undemocratic is inaccurate and many of Corbyns actions since losing the election in 2019 could be regarded as undemocratic
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That's not the way it works, he's the sitting MP.
You would have to tie yourself up with mental gymnastics to try and justify this behaviour to be honest.
Starmer is telling them they cannot vote for their preferred candidate.
That's undemocratic by definition
Please list Corbyns undemocratic acts since 2019.
Saying he would step down once he helped labour select the new leader
Undermining the ECHR report into antisemitism
Hosting the fringe event at the labour conference that was militantly anti the current labour leadership where he made out that Claudia Webbe was a victim of anti leftism for her own acid attack threats
All he had to do was not undermine the ECHR verdict but his massive facking ego prevented that
Subsequently he refused to apologise, again because of his facking ego, and he'd have been back
The man acts like, and is revered like, he's the steward of leftism in the UK when he's done so much damage to it
Get rid 🚮
There's a weird cult around Corbyn, where he is always the victim in any given situation and nothing is his own fault.
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Saying he would step down once he helped labour select the new leader
Undermining the ECHR report into antisemitism
Hosting the fringe event at the labour conference that was militantly anti the current labour leadership where he made out that Claudia Webbe was a victim of anti leftism for her own acid attack threats
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1. He said he would step down “early in the next year”, and he was gone in the April.
2., 3. How are those thing undemocratic, fffs? The second has nothing to do with democracy whatsoever, and the third, if anything, is working to UPHOLD democracy within the party.
If you flip it and make it a prominent Tory MP not following through with stepping down, claiming a report into Islamophobia had been overstated by their opponents and had said another MP convicted of threatening acid attacks was a victim of the left; I don't think the people defending Corbyn would be supportive.
I personally believe that there should be a place for people like Corbyn, Abbot, McDonnell et al within the Labour party. Starmer, as leader, disagrees and that's his prerogative, he's made his decision.
Corbyn is every right-wingers bogeyman and the longer this drags out the more they'll focus on him to distract from the conservatives mismanagement of the country.
This country is full of halfheids that will gobble up internal Labour party squabbles and forget the decline the Conservative party have inflicted on us all.
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posted on 16/2/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
A lectures about the futility of leaving behind a trading partner from a brexiteer.
The chance, however slim, of ever regaining my EU passport and all the benefits it carries over the stupid retrograde British one is my sole reason.
Economically, Neil Kinnock made a comment recently about the recent EU commission meeting and it summed things up for me "if you're not at the table, you're on the menu".
I do wonder how come a country smaller than Scotland, like Ireland, are flying but some say Scotland would struggle. How does that work?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not sure how an observation could be read as a lecture but hey ho.
The chances for rejoining the EU are almost negligible I’d suggest as opposed to being slim, but again that’s mere interpretation of meaning.
But Neil Kinnock “says”???
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You, a successful, smart businessman, chooses to avoid the point, hey ho.
How did the Baltic states survive post soviet collapse?
Scotland has greater natural resources than them and arguably a far greater educated population now as they did then. Scotland wouldn't be starting from anywhere near the scratch levels they did, it would have its share of UK resources/debt to build on.
If its what Scots decide, I've every faith in my countryfolk.
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I hardly think I’ve avoided the point at all.
I’ve often raised many concerns as to the viability of an independent Scotland. Of course it wouldn’t fall off the face of the planet but to deny it would face many years of hardship even more so than it does now whilst it transcends to a single nation I believe would be far to high a cost to bear. And that gap is getting worse.
In my heart I’d like nothing more, but until some basic questions are answered and a believable financial plan or at least an understanding is forthcoming, then it’s a massive no for me.
As it would appear for the majority of Scots now. There’s less want it now than back at the last referendum albeit that could partially be a timing issue.
posted on 16/2/23
far too *
posted on 16/2/23
Let’s see how Keith fares in the polls following the undemocratic expulsion of Corby, he’s pissssed off a lot of people.
posted on 16/2/23
Once again the pro Labour media bias is in full effect.
Sturgeons resignation is apparently a potential vote winner in Scotland for Starmer. I don't necessarily agree with that but as they currently only have one Scottish mp I guess it can't make things much worse.
However one thing that is beyond doubt is that Corbyns refusal to go quietly and subsequent row with Starmer over being allowed to fight for his seat under a Labour banner (at the next GE) will hurt Sir Keir. This will give the electorate a constant reminder that Starmer served under Jeremy and was the architect of their disastrous Brexit plan.
I haven't heard any of Sky/BBC or ITV refect on how much of a plus the Corbyn v Starmer battle will be for the Tories?
posted on 16/2/23
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
Once again the pro Labour media bias is in full effect.
Sturgeons resignation is apparently a potential vote winner in Scotland for Starmer. I don't necessarily agree with that but as they currently only have one Scottish mp I guess it can't make things much worse.
However one thing that is beyond doubt is that Corbyns refusal to go quietly and subsequent row with Starmer over being allowed to fight for his seat under a Labour banner (at the next GE) will hurt Sir Keir. This will give the electorate a constant reminder that Starmer served under Jeremy and was the architect of their disastrous Brexit plan.
I haven't heard any of Sky/BBC or ITV refect on how much of a plus the Corbyn v Starmer battle will be for the Tories?
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What a complete load of utter bollox
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
A lectures about the futility of leaving behind a trading partner from a brexiteer.
The chance, however slim, of ever regaining my EU passport and all the benefits it carries over the stupid retrograde British one is my sole reason.
Economically, Neil Kinnock made a comment recently about the recent EU commission meeting and it summed things up for me "if you're not at the table, you're on the menu".
I do wonder how come a country smaller than Scotland, like Ireland, are flying but some say Scotland would struggle. How does that work?
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I’m not sure how an observation could be read as a lecture but hey ho.
The chances for rejoining the EU are almost negligible I’d suggest as opposed to being slim, but again that’s mere interpretation of meaning.
But Neil Kinnock “says”???
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You, a successful, smart businessman, chooses to avoid the point, hey ho.
How did the Baltic states survive post soviet collapse?
Scotland has greater natural resources than them and arguably a far greater educated population now as they did then. Scotland wouldn't be starting from anywhere near the scratch levels they did, it would have its share of UK resources/debt to build on.
If its what Scots decide, I've every faith in my countryfolk.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The main problem as I see it Hec is Scottish independence would create a raft of customs/regulatory barriers within the UK.
Scotland would have to make the choice to align with England and Wales (to avoid a customs/regulatory border). Despite having no representation in Westminster.
Or align with the EU SM/CU. And then there’s the fallout of whatever happens with the NIP, and how those arrangements impact Scotland dependent on which regulatory/customs territory they chose to occupy.
If I was pushing for Scottish independence, (which I have a lot of sympathy for) would wait to the landscape is a bit more settled.
The UK still hasn’t even fully implemented it’s (SPS) border with the EU yet, as the government realise (which begs the question what benefits they thought deregulating could provide in the first place) in doing so would cause even more harm to UK businesses.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 45 minutes ago
Let’s see how Keith fares in the polls following the undemocratic expulsion of Corby, he’s pissssed off a lot of people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The majority of people probably won't notice it and generally, the swing voters who wouldn't vote for Corbyn are probably in favour of it.
I imagine there will be little difference.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
A lectures about the futility of leaving behind a trading partner from a brexiteer.
The chance, however slim, of ever regaining my EU passport and all the benefits it carries over the stupid retrograde British one is my sole reason.
Economically, Neil Kinnock made a comment recently about the recent EU commission meeting and it summed things up for me "if you're not at the table, you're on the menu".
I do wonder how come a country smaller than Scotland, like Ireland, are flying but some say Scotland would struggle. How does that work?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not sure how an observation could be read as a lecture but hey ho.
The chances for rejoining the EU are almost negligible I’d suggest as opposed to being slim, but again that’s mere interpretation of meaning.
But Neil Kinnock “says”???
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You, a successful, smart businessman, chooses to avoid the point, hey ho.
How did the Baltic states survive post soviet collapse?
Scotland has greater natural resources than them and arguably a far greater educated population now as they did then. Scotland wouldn't be starting from anywhere near the scratch levels they did, it would have its share of UK resources/debt to build on.
If its what Scots decide, I've every faith in my countryfolk.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The main problem as I see it Hec is Scottish independence would create a raft of customs/regulatory barriers within the UK.
Scotland would have to make the choice to align with England and Wales (to avoid a customs/regulatory border). Despite having no representation in Westminster.
Or align with the EU SM/CU. And then there’s the fallout of whatever happens with the NIP, and how those arrangements impact Scotland dependent on which regulatory/customs territory they chose to occupy.
If I was pushing for Scottish independence, (which I have a lot of sympathy for) would wait to the landscape is a bit more settled.
The UK still hasn’t even fully implemented it’s (SPS) border with the EU yet, as the government realise (which begs the question what benefits they thought deregulating could provide in the first place) in doing so would cause even more harm to UK businesses.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We're just surmising, albeit from a wiser place than the hard Brexit the conservative party chose to subject us all too with all the avoidable problems it has created and which no sensible person would want to repeat.
There would be a withdrawal agreement with rUK and with the EU (if that's the way it decides to go).
Right now it's all it's, buts and maybes and Scotland would need to decide which way to jump.
To repeat, I'm not a Nationalist, I just think it's Scotland's choice, that denying a 2nd referendum is undemocratic considering the SNP consistently win elections with an indy vote in their mandate and IF they were to choose independence that the problems are not insurmountable and I don't think future talks would be as bitter and nasty as the Brexit withdrawal ones were.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 45 minutes ago
Let’s see how Keith fares in the polls following the undemocratic expulsion of Corby, he’s pissssed off a lot of people.
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The majority of people probably won't notice it and generally, the swing voters who wouldn't vote for Corbyn are probably in favour of it.
I imagine there will be little difference.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sad end to his Labour career but I agree nobody outside the Westminster bubble will care.
I hope he stands as an independent, the good people of Islington love him, he's a good man and an excellent constituency MP.
posted on 16/2/23
The government will not appeal a court ruling that said its EU Settlement Scheme is unlawful, the Home Office has confirmed.
The scheme was brought in by the government in March 2019 and would have seen more than 2.5 million EU citizens face automatically losing their right to live in the UK if they did not make another application for settled or pre-settled status within five years.
TAKING BACK CONTROL
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 45 minutes ago
Let’s see how Keith fares in the polls following the undemocratic expulsion of Corby, he’s pissssed off a lot of people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The majority of people probably won't notice it and generally, the swing voters who wouldn't vote for Corbyn are probably in favour of it.
I imagine there will be little difference.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Undemocratic"
The CLP will still get to pick a candidate just Corbyn won't get on the long list
posted on 16/2/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 45 minutes ago
Let’s see how Keith fares in the polls following the undemocratic expulsion of Corby, he’s pissssed off a lot of people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The majority of people probably won't notice it and generally, the swing voters who wouldn't vote for Corbyn are probably in favour of it.
I imagine there will be little difference.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sad end to his Labour career but I agree nobody outside the Westminster bubble will care.
I hope he stands as an independent, the good people of Islington love him, he's a good man and an excellent constituency MP.
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Agree
posted on 16/2/23
Corbyn is loved by some, there's a cafe outside the station with his picture all over the sign in the shape of a loveheart
But he also regularly gets heckled when walking up Stroud green road, he's not universally popular and will likely lose if he stands as an independent
posted on 16/2/23
This will give the electorate a constant reminder that Starmer served under Jeremy and was the architect of their disastrous Brexit plan.
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Good job then the current leader of the Tory party didn't serve under a PM who resigned in disgrace and implemented the current award winning Brexit we're seeing today.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted about 3 hours ago
This will give the electorate a constant reminder that Starmer served under Jeremy and was the architect of their disastrous Brexit plan.
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Good job then the current leader of the Tory party didn't serve under a PM who resigned in disgrace and implemented the current award winning Brexit we're seeing today.
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The same fella that begged Labour to meet them in a posh country house to plead for their ideas on how to dig the country out of the mire he and his party sploshed us into.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 4 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 45 minutes ago
Let’s see how Keith fares in the polls following the undemocratic expulsion of Corby, he’s pissssed off a lot of people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The majority of people probably won't notice it and generally, the swing voters who wouldn't vote for Corbyn are probably in favour of it.
I imagine there will be little difference.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Undemocratic"
The CLP will still get to pick a candidate just Corbyn won't get on the long list
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So they don't get to pick.
Because they would pick him, as they did last time.
posted on 16/2/23
That's just the way it works and the way it has always worked
I think you're right, there's a very high likelihood they would pick him if he was a candidate but to call it undemocratic is inaccurate and many of Corbyns actions since losing the election in 2019 could be regarded as undemocratic
posted on 16/2/23
To backup that point^
While I personally am a fan of Corbyn I know he does alienate a lot of the home county Labour voters from experience (ironically often the Brexit supporting labour voters)
posted on 16/2/23
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 52 minutes ago
That's just the way it works and the way it has always worked
I think you're right, there's a very high likelihood they would pick him if he was a candidate but to call it undemocratic is inaccurate and many of Corbyns actions since losing the election in 2019 could be regarded as undemocratic
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That's not the way it works, he's the sitting MP.
You would have to tie yourself up with mental gymnastics to try and justify this behaviour to be honest.
Starmer is telling them they cannot vote for their preferred candidate.
That's undemocratic by definition
Please list Corbyns undemocratic acts since 2019.
posted on 16/2/23
Saying he would step down once he helped labour select the new leader
Undermining the ECHR report into antisemitism
Hosting the fringe event at the labour conference that was militantly anti the current labour leadership where he made out that Claudia Webbe was a victim of anti leftism for her own acid attack threats
posted on 16/2/23
All he had to do was not undermine the ECHR verdict but his massive facking ego prevented that
Subsequently he refused to apologise, again because of his facking ego, and he'd have been back
The man acts like, and is revered like, he's the steward of leftism in the UK when he's done so much damage to it
Get rid 🚮
posted on 16/2/23
There's a weird cult around Corbyn, where he is always the victim in any given situation and nothing is his own fault.
posted on 16/2/23
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Saying he would step down once he helped labour select the new leader
Undermining the ECHR report into antisemitism
Hosting the fringe event at the labour conference that was militantly anti the current labour leadership where he made out that Claudia Webbe was a victim of anti leftism for her own acid attack threats
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1. He said he would step down “early in the next year”, and he was gone in the April.
2., 3. How are those thing undemocratic, fffs? The second has nothing to do with democracy whatsoever, and the third, if anything, is working to UPHOLD democracy within the party.
posted on 16/2/23
If you flip it and make it a prominent Tory MP not following through with stepping down, claiming a report into Islamophobia had been overstated by their opponents and had said another MP convicted of threatening acid attacks was a victim of the left; I don't think the people defending Corbyn would be supportive.
posted on 17/2/23
I personally believe that there should be a place for people like Corbyn, Abbot, McDonnell et al within the Labour party. Starmer, as leader, disagrees and that's his prerogative, he's made his decision.
Corbyn is every right-wingers bogeyman and the longer this drags out the more they'll focus on him to distract from the conservatives mismanagement of the country.
This country is full of halfheids that will gobble up internal Labour party squabbles and forget the decline the Conservative party have inflicted on us all.
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