comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 14 minutes ago
Sunak is a such a lightweight, he's a knowledgeable and diligent guy who reads his brief etc but whenever I hear him speak it's quite clearly prepared statements that are designed to sound like a leader but delivered with zero conviction
The DUP cranks will eat him alive
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That's what Is love to see, the wee fella fronting up
using logic and, on his mind, persuasive arguments and their pointblank "no, no, no".
Blair's charisma and genuine desire to get a deal done carried the GFA at times, Rishi is a transparent careerist that's in no way believable or convincing nor is he charismatic. The guys he will be dealing with are hard, seasoned politicians beholden to even harder constituents. Like you say, they will eat him up.
I also have it on reasonable authority (from people who work in the Labour Party as counsellors, who by random coincidence I lived with when I was living down south) that he’s unbelievably lazy.
Betcha they were Spurs fans...
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
Betcha they were Spurs fans...
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😂😂😂, worse, Sheffield Wednesday!!!
The only Blades in London...
Oh dear...such was my desire to crack a London/knife pun I mixed up my Sheffield's and shot my bolt too soon..
"My challenge would be; isn’t this just what one expects from a local MP."
Yes; but it isn't what actually happens in many, many cases. Some MPs are barely in their constituencies.
Granted, it's much easier to be present in both the Commons and your constituency when you're London-based; but I don't remember seeing a single testimony from one of his constituents complaining that they'd been ignored, railroaded whatever. There are plenty of MPs who have Twitter feeds full of such
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 21 minutes ago
I also have it on reasonable authority (from people who work in the Labour Party as counsellors, who by random coincidence I lived with when I was living down south) that he’s unbelievably lazy.
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Who, Corbyn?
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
If you flip it and make it a prominent Tory MP not following through with stepping down, claiming a report into Islamophobia had been overstated by their opponents and had said another MP convicted of threatening acid attacks was a victim of the left; I don't think the people defending Corbyn would be supportive.
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“Not following through with stepping down”
He announced that he was stepping down, that announcement triggered a leadership contest (immediately), the contest ran its democratic course, a new leader was elected, and that leader took Corbyn’s position immediately. Democratic process was followed. What’s the problem exactly?
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Johnson was hammered for announcing he was resigning and not standing down until the leadership contest was completed months later. Why is Corbyn exonerated from this sort of criticism?
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Bit of false equivalence there...
One resigned because he lost an election.
The other was booted out of his role for being the first sitting PM to be found guilty of breaking the law.
One of them wasn't setting national policy, the other continued to make decisions that affected the entire country
One of them did it solely for continuity, the other was desperate to not be the shortest serving prime minister in the countries history
Massive differences between the two cases.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
If you flip it and make it a prominent Tory MP not following through with stepping down, claiming a report into Islamophobia had been overstated by their opponents and had said another MP convicted of threatening acid attacks was a victim of the left; I don't think the people defending Corbyn would be supportive.
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“Not following through with stepping down”
He announced that he was stepping down, that announcement triggered a leadership contest (immediately), the contest ran its democratic course, a new leader was elected, and that leader took Corbyn’s position immediately. Democratic process was followed. What’s the problem exactly?
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Johnson was hammered for announcing he was resigning and not standing down until the leadership contest was completed months later. Why is Corbyn exonerated from this sort of criticism?
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Bit of false equivalence there...
One resigned because he lost an election.
The other was booted out of his role for being the first sitting PM to be found guilty of breaking the law.
One of them wasn't setting national policy, the other continued to make decisions that affected the entire country
One of them did it solely for continuity, the other was desperate to not be the shortest serving prime minister in the countries history
Massive differences between the two cases.
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Johnson wasn't booted out of the role. He resigned.
Both had controversies. Both clung on a lot longer than they should have, against the precedent set prior to them. Only one worthy of criticism from you though.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
If you flip it and make it a prominent Tory MP not following through with stepping down, claiming a report into Islamophobia had been overstated by their opponents and had said another MP convicted of threatening acid attacks was a victim of the left; I don't think the people defending Corbyn would be supportive.
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“Not following through with stepping down”
He announced that he was stepping down, that announcement triggered a leadership contest (immediately), the contest ran its democratic course, a new leader was elected, and that leader took Corbyn’s position immediately. Democratic process was followed. What’s the problem exactly?
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Johnson was hammered for announcing he was resigning and not standing down until the leadership contest was completed months later. Why is Corbyn exonerated from this sort of criticism?
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Bit of false equivalence there...
One resigned because he lost an election.
The other was booted out of his role for being the first sitting PM to be found guilty of breaking the law.
One of them wasn't setting national policy, the other continued to make decisions that affected the entire country
One of them did it solely for continuity, the other was desperate to not be the shortest serving prime minister in the countries history
Massive differences between the two cases.
I never get why people are so invested in making excuses for Corbyn to be honest.
So invested that after you reply, they just post the same thing again.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
If you flip it and make it a prominent Tory MP not following through with stepping down, claiming a report into Islamophobia had been overstated by their opponents and had said another MP convicted of threatening acid attacks was a victim of the left; I don't think the people defending Corbyn would be supportive.
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“Not following through with stepping down”
He announced that he was stepping down, that announcement triggered a leadership contest (immediately), the contest ran its democratic course, a new leader was elected, and that leader took Corbyn’s position immediately. Democratic process was followed. What’s the problem exactly?
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Johnson was hammered for announcing he was resigning and not standing down until the leadership contest was completed months later. Why is Corbyn exonerated from this sort of criticism?
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Bit of false equivalence there...
One resigned because he lost an election.
The other was booted out of his role for being the first sitting PM to be found guilty of breaking the law.
One of them wasn't setting national policy, the other continued to make decisions that affected the entire country
One of them did it solely for continuity, the other was desperate to not be the shortest serving prime minister in the countries history
Massive differences between the two cases.
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Johnson wasn't booted out of the role. He resigned.
Both had controversies. Both clung on a lot longer than they should have, against the precedent set prior to them. Only one worthy of criticism from you though.
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He resigned because ministers were quitting his cabinet and letters were flying in to the 1922 committee in his resignation speech he even said he was resigning because it was the will of the parliamentary party.
His words.
I don't understand why you are saying we are making excuses for Corbyn, I wanted him gone, I voted for starmer.
That doesn't mean his current actions aren't undemocratic or against party policy, and he has done it with multiple CLPs and positions now. It's been reported and discussed on this thread.
It should at least set alarm bells ringing that he is happy to override party policy to plant his preferred candidates, override democracy and abandon one of his pledges to maintain the party democracy that Corbyn had reintroduced.
The ECHR report was clear Corbyn wasn't an anti-Semite, but here we are discussing it like it said he was.. AGAIN. I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him 🤷🏼♂️
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 26 minutes ago
Oh dear...such was my desire to crack a London/knife pun I mixed up my Sheffield's and shot my bolt too soon..
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I’m embarrassed for you. Thing that was funny though was that they thought they were a big club 😂😂😂
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 21 minutes ago
I also have it on reasonable authority (from people who work in the Labour Party as counsellors, who by random coincidence I lived with when I was living down south) that he’s unbelievably lazy.
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Who, Corbyn?
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Aye.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
If you flip it and make it a prominent Tory MP not following through with stepping down, claiming a report into Islamophobia had been overstated by their opponents and had said another MP convicted of threatening acid attacks was a victim of the left; I don't think the people defending Corbyn would be supportive.
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“Not following through with stepping down”
He announced that he was stepping down, that announcement triggered a leadership contest (immediately), the contest ran its democratic course, a new leader was elected, and that leader took Corbyn’s position immediately. Democratic process was followed. What’s the problem exactly?
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Johnson was hammered for announcing he was resigning and not standing down until the leadership contest was completed months later. Why is Corbyn exonerated from this sort of criticism?
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Bit of false equivalence there...
One resigned because he lost an election.
The other was booted out of his role for being the first sitting PM to be found guilty of breaking the law.
One of them wasn't setting national policy, the other continued to make decisions that affected the entire country
One of them did it solely for continuity, the other was desperate to not be the shortest serving prime minister in the countries history
Massive differences between the two cases.
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Johnson wasn't booted out of the role. He resigned.
Both had controversies. Both clung on a lot longer than they should have, against the precedent set prior to them. Only one worthy of criticism from you though.
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He resigned because ministers were quitting his cabinet and letters were flying in to the 1922 committee in his resignation speech he even said he was resigning because it was the will of the parliamentary party.
His words.
I don't understand why you are saying we are making excuses for Corbyn, I wanted him gone, I voted for starmer.
That doesn't mean his current actions aren't undemocratic or against party policy, and he has done it with multiple CLPs and positions now. It's been reported and discussed on this thread.
It should at least set alarm bells ringing that he is happy to override party policy to plant his preferred candidates, override democracy and abandon one of his pledges to maintain the party democracy that Corbyn had reintroduced.
The ECHR report was clear Corbyn wasn't an anti-Semite, but here we are discussing it like it said he was.. AGAIN. I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him 🤷🏼♂️
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We’re seeing similar things with Anwar and Jackie Baillie in Glasgow. Factionalism and personal conflicts are rife.
"I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him"
I think it might be a bit of a) because he lost, and people are bitter about that (understandably), and a bit of b) because people are trying, in a round-about way, to defend Starmer, his leadership and his New New Labour experiment.
I honestly don't think people would be bearing such a grudge against him if he hadn't had the whip removed and been treated as a complete pariah.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 21 minutes ago
I also have it on reasonable authority (from people who work in the Labour Party as counsellors, who by random coincidence I lived with when I was living down south) that he’s unbelievably lazy.
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Who, Corbyn?
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Aye.
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I wouldn't question their sincerity for a moment, but I'm very surprised to hear that quite honestly.
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 21 minutes ago
I also have it on reasonable authority (from people who work in the Labour Party as counsellors, who by random coincidence I lived with when I was living down south) that he’s unbelievably lazy.
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Who, Corbyn?
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Aye.
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I wouldn't question their sincerity for a moment, but I'm very surprised to hear that quite honestly.
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The BBC and other media have done tours of his constituency lately and his popularity is very clear. If he stands as an independent his seat will suddenly become a swing seat
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 15 minutes ago
So invested that after you reply, they just post the same thing again.
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Repopened my phone and it said it hadn't posted
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 48% (-2)
CON: 21% (=)
LDM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 8% (+2)
RFM: 7% (=)
SNP: 5% (+1)
Via @PeoplePolling, 15 Feb.
Changes w/ 9 Feb.
Expelling Corbyn bounce
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 26 minutes ago
Oh dear...such was my desire to crack a London/knife pun I mixed up my Sheffield's and shot my bolt too soon..
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I’m embarrassed for you. Thing that was funny though was that they thought they were a big club 😂😂😂
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for me
for them.
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 48% (+1)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDM: 10% (=)
RFM: 7% (-1)
GRN: 5% (+1)
SNP: 3% (-1)
Via @Omnisis, 15-16 Feb.
Changes w/ 8-9 Feb.
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 48% (+1)
CON: 27% (+1)
LDM: 8% (-1)
RFM: 6% (=)
GRN: 5% (=)
SNP: 3% (-1)
Via @techneUK, 15-16 Feb.
Changes w/ 8-9 Feb.
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
"I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him"
I think it might be a bit of a) because he lost, and people are bitter about that (understandably), and a bit of b) because people are trying, in a round-about way, to defend Starmer, his leadership and his New New Labour experiment.
I honestly don't think people would be bearing such a grudge against him if he hadn't had the whip removed and been treated as a complete pariah.
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I agree completely.
And the furore this has kicked up in the labour membership is a bit of an own goal.
Seeing lots of talk about starmers failed chicken coup again, as well as mention about his failure to take action against the 2017 saboteurs. He's just stirred up I'll feeling, but he's happy as long as he's grabbing Tory voters because the left will be told to just accept it to get the Tories out, even though it's being done with Tory policies and beliefs
I think he should have just allowed the CLP to stand him as a candidate in their election and hope he wasn't chosen.
And if he was it would have remained irrelevant, he's a backbencher and at this point Corbyn hadn't even announced if he wants to stand.. he's well past retirement and could well have just gone
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posted on 17/2/23
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 14 minutes ago
Sunak is a such a lightweight, he's a knowledgeable and diligent guy who reads his brief etc but whenever I hear him speak it's quite clearly prepared statements that are designed to sound like a leader but delivered with zero conviction
The DUP cranks will eat him alive
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That's what Is love to see, the wee fella fronting up
using logic and, on his mind, persuasive arguments and their pointblank "no, no, no".
Blair's charisma and genuine desire to get a deal done carried the GFA at times, Rishi is a transparent careerist that's in no way believable or convincing nor is he charismatic. The guys he will be dealing with are hard, seasoned politicians beholden to even harder constituents. Like you say, they will eat him up.
posted on 17/2/23
I also have it on reasonable authority (from people who work in the Labour Party as counsellors, who by random coincidence I lived with when I was living down south) that he’s unbelievably lazy.
posted on 17/2/23
Betcha they were Spurs fans...
posted on 17/2/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
Betcha they were Spurs fans...
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😂😂😂, worse, Sheffield Wednesday!!!
posted on 17/2/23
The only Blades in London...
posted on 17/2/23
Oh dear...such was my desire to crack a London/knife pun I mixed up my Sheffield's and shot my bolt too soon..
posted on 17/2/23
"My challenge would be; isn’t this just what one expects from a local MP."
Yes; but it isn't what actually happens in many, many cases. Some MPs are barely in their constituencies.
Granted, it's much easier to be present in both the Commons and your constituency when you're London-based; but I don't remember seeing a single testimony from one of his constituents complaining that they'd been ignored, railroaded whatever. There are plenty of MPs who have Twitter feeds full of such
posted on 17/2/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 21 minutes ago
I also have it on reasonable authority (from people who work in the Labour Party as counsellors, who by random coincidence I lived with when I was living down south) that he’s unbelievably lazy.
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Who, Corbyn?
posted on 17/2/23
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
If you flip it and make it a prominent Tory MP not following through with stepping down, claiming a report into Islamophobia had been overstated by their opponents and had said another MP convicted of threatening acid attacks was a victim of the left; I don't think the people defending Corbyn would be supportive.
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“Not following through with stepping down”
He announced that he was stepping down, that announcement triggered a leadership contest (immediately), the contest ran its democratic course, a new leader was elected, and that leader took Corbyn’s position immediately. Democratic process was followed. What’s the problem exactly?
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Johnson was hammered for announcing he was resigning and not standing down until the leadership contest was completed months later. Why is Corbyn exonerated from this sort of criticism?
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Bit of false equivalence there...
One resigned because he lost an election.
The other was booted out of his role for being the first sitting PM to be found guilty of breaking the law.
One of them wasn't setting national policy, the other continued to make decisions that affected the entire country
One of them did it solely for continuity, the other was desperate to not be the shortest serving prime minister in the countries history
Massive differences between the two cases.
posted on 17/2/23
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
If you flip it and make it a prominent Tory MP not following through with stepping down, claiming a report into Islamophobia had been overstated by their opponents and had said another MP convicted of threatening acid attacks was a victim of the left; I don't think the people defending Corbyn would be supportive.
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“Not following through with stepping down”
He announced that he was stepping down, that announcement triggered a leadership contest (immediately), the contest ran its democratic course, a new leader was elected, and that leader took Corbyn’s position immediately. Democratic process was followed. What’s the problem exactly?
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Johnson was hammered for announcing he was resigning and not standing down until the leadership contest was completed months later. Why is Corbyn exonerated from this sort of criticism?
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Bit of false equivalence there...
One resigned because he lost an election.
The other was booted out of his role for being the first sitting PM to be found guilty of breaking the law.
One of them wasn't setting national policy, the other continued to make decisions that affected the entire country
One of them did it solely for continuity, the other was desperate to not be the shortest serving prime minister in the countries history
Massive differences between the two cases.
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Johnson wasn't booted out of the role. He resigned.
Both had controversies. Both clung on a lot longer than they should have, against the precedent set prior to them. Only one worthy of criticism from you though.
posted on 17/2/23
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
If you flip it and make it a prominent Tory MP not following through with stepping down, claiming a report into Islamophobia had been overstated by their opponents and had said another MP convicted of threatening acid attacks was a victim of the left; I don't think the people defending Corbyn would be supportive.
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“Not following through with stepping down”
He announced that he was stepping down, that announcement triggered a leadership contest (immediately), the contest ran its democratic course, a new leader was elected, and that leader took Corbyn’s position immediately. Democratic process was followed. What’s the problem exactly?
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Johnson was hammered for announcing he was resigning and not standing down until the leadership contest was completed months later. Why is Corbyn exonerated from this sort of criticism?
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Bit of false equivalence there...
One resigned because he lost an election.
The other was booted out of his role for being the first sitting PM to be found guilty of breaking the law.
One of them wasn't setting national policy, the other continued to make decisions that affected the entire country
One of them did it solely for continuity, the other was desperate to not be the shortest serving prime minister in the countries history
Massive differences between the two cases.
posted on 17/2/23
I never get why people are so invested in making excuses for Corbyn to be honest.
posted on 17/2/23
So invested that after you reply, they just post the same thing again.
posted on 17/2/23
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
If you flip it and make it a prominent Tory MP not following through with stepping down, claiming a report into Islamophobia had been overstated by their opponents and had said another MP convicted of threatening acid attacks was a victim of the left; I don't think the people defending Corbyn would be supportive.
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“Not following through with stepping down”
He announced that he was stepping down, that announcement triggered a leadership contest (immediately), the contest ran its democratic course, a new leader was elected, and that leader took Corbyn’s position immediately. Democratic process was followed. What’s the problem exactly?
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Johnson was hammered for announcing he was resigning and not standing down until the leadership contest was completed months later. Why is Corbyn exonerated from this sort of criticism?
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Bit of false equivalence there...
One resigned because he lost an election.
The other was booted out of his role for being the first sitting PM to be found guilty of breaking the law.
One of them wasn't setting national policy, the other continued to make decisions that affected the entire country
One of them did it solely for continuity, the other was desperate to not be the shortest serving prime minister in the countries history
Massive differences between the two cases.
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Johnson wasn't booted out of the role. He resigned.
Both had controversies. Both clung on a lot longer than they should have, against the precedent set prior to them. Only one worthy of criticism from you though.
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He resigned because ministers were quitting his cabinet and letters were flying in to the 1922 committee in his resignation speech he even said he was resigning because it was the will of the parliamentary party.
His words.
I don't understand why you are saying we are making excuses for Corbyn, I wanted him gone, I voted for starmer.
That doesn't mean his current actions aren't undemocratic or against party policy, and he has done it with multiple CLPs and positions now. It's been reported and discussed on this thread.
It should at least set alarm bells ringing that he is happy to override party policy to plant his preferred candidates, override democracy and abandon one of his pledges to maintain the party democracy that Corbyn had reintroduced.
The ECHR report was clear Corbyn wasn't an anti-Semite, but here we are discussing it like it said he was.. AGAIN. I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him 🤷🏼♂️
posted on 17/2/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 26 minutes ago
Oh dear...such was my desire to crack a London/knife pun I mixed up my Sheffield's and shot my bolt too soon..
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I’m embarrassed for you. Thing that was funny though was that they thought they were a big club 😂😂😂
posted on 17/2/23
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 21 minutes ago
I also have it on reasonable authority (from people who work in the Labour Party as counsellors, who by random coincidence I lived with when I was living down south) that he’s unbelievably lazy.
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Who, Corbyn?
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Aye.
posted on 17/2/23
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
If you flip it and make it a prominent Tory MP not following through with stepping down, claiming a report into Islamophobia had been overstated by their opponents and had said another MP convicted of threatening acid attacks was a victim of the left; I don't think the people defending Corbyn would be supportive.
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“Not following through with stepping down”
He announced that he was stepping down, that announcement triggered a leadership contest (immediately), the contest ran its democratic course, a new leader was elected, and that leader took Corbyn’s position immediately. Democratic process was followed. What’s the problem exactly?
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Johnson was hammered for announcing he was resigning and not standing down until the leadership contest was completed months later. Why is Corbyn exonerated from this sort of criticism?
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Bit of false equivalence there...
One resigned because he lost an election.
The other was booted out of his role for being the first sitting PM to be found guilty of breaking the law.
One of them wasn't setting national policy, the other continued to make decisions that affected the entire country
One of them did it solely for continuity, the other was desperate to not be the shortest serving prime minister in the countries history
Massive differences between the two cases.
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Johnson wasn't booted out of the role. He resigned.
Both had controversies. Both clung on a lot longer than they should have, against the precedent set prior to them. Only one worthy of criticism from you though.
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He resigned because ministers were quitting his cabinet and letters were flying in to the 1922 committee in his resignation speech he even said he was resigning because it was the will of the parliamentary party.
His words.
I don't understand why you are saying we are making excuses for Corbyn, I wanted him gone, I voted for starmer.
That doesn't mean his current actions aren't undemocratic or against party policy, and he has done it with multiple CLPs and positions now. It's been reported and discussed on this thread.
It should at least set alarm bells ringing that he is happy to override party policy to plant his preferred candidates, override democracy and abandon one of his pledges to maintain the party democracy that Corbyn had reintroduced.
The ECHR report was clear Corbyn wasn't an anti-Semite, but here we are discussing it like it said he was.. AGAIN. I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him 🤷🏼♂️
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We’re seeing similar things with Anwar and Jackie Baillie in Glasgow. Factionalism and personal conflicts are rife.
posted on 17/2/23
"I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him"
I think it might be a bit of a) because he lost, and people are bitter about that (understandably), and a bit of b) because people are trying, in a round-about way, to defend Starmer, his leadership and his New New Labour experiment.
I honestly don't think people would be bearing such a grudge against him if he hadn't had the whip removed and been treated as a complete pariah.
posted on 17/2/23
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I also have it on reasonable authority (from people who work in the Labour Party as counsellors, who by random coincidence I lived with when I was living down south) that he’s unbelievably lazy.
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Who, Corbyn?
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Aye.
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I wouldn't question their sincerity for a moment, but I'm very surprised to hear that quite honestly.
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comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
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I also have it on reasonable authority (from people who work in the Labour Party as counsellors, who by random coincidence I lived with when I was living down south) that he’s unbelievably lazy.
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Who, Corbyn?
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Aye.
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I wouldn't question their sincerity for a moment, but I'm very surprised to hear that quite honestly.
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The BBC and other media have done tours of his constituency lately and his popularity is very clear. If he stands as an independent his seat will suddenly become a swing seat
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posted 15 minutes ago
So invested that after you reply, they just post the same thing again.
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Repopened my phone and it said it hadn't posted
posted on 17/2/23
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 48% (-2)
CON: 21% (=)
LDM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 8% (+2)
RFM: 7% (=)
SNP: 5% (+1)
Via @PeoplePolling, 15 Feb.
Changes w/ 9 Feb.
Expelling Corbyn bounce
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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Oh dear...such was my desire to crack a London/knife pun I mixed up my Sheffield's and shot my bolt too soon..
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I’m embarrassed for you. Thing that was funny though was that they thought they were a big club 😂😂😂
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for me
for them.
posted on 17/2/23
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 48% (+1)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDM: 10% (=)
RFM: 7% (-1)
GRN: 5% (+1)
SNP: 3% (-1)
Via @Omnisis, 15-16 Feb.
Changes w/ 8-9 Feb.
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 48% (+1)
CON: 27% (+1)
LDM: 8% (-1)
RFM: 6% (=)
GRN: 5% (=)
SNP: 3% (-1)
Via @techneUK, 15-16 Feb.
Changes w/ 8-9 Feb.
posted on 17/2/23
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
"I don't see why people are so keen to fabricate reasons to hate him"
I think it might be a bit of a) because he lost, and people are bitter about that (understandably), and a bit of b) because people are trying, in a round-about way, to defend Starmer, his leadership and his New New Labour experiment.
I honestly don't think people would be bearing such a grudge against him if he hadn't had the whip removed and been treated as a complete pariah.
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I agree completely.
And the furore this has kicked up in the labour membership is a bit of an own goal.
Seeing lots of talk about starmers failed chicken coup again, as well as mention about his failure to take action against the 2017 saboteurs. He's just stirred up I'll feeling, but he's happy as long as he's grabbing Tory voters because the left will be told to just accept it to get the Tories out, even though it's being done with Tory policies and beliefs
I think he should have just allowed the CLP to stand him as a candidate in their election and hope he wasn't chosen.
And if he was it would have remained irrelevant, he's a backbencher and at this point Corbyn hadn't even announced if he wants to stand.. he's well past retirement and could well have just gone
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