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posted on 8/3/23

I think in political terms, whilst the country (like most the rest of the world) has quite noisily shifted socially leftwards/become more liberal over the last two to three generations, it has very quietly economically flown rightwards, to a spectacular extent.

If we look at where the Overton Window sits through a purely economic and fiscal lens, both Labour and the Tories have shifted, wholesale, to the right.

Those on the right of the Conservative Party’s economic conversation are now amongst the planet’s most economically libertarian extremists, to such an extent that policy packages like theirs don’t even exist
on the ballot papers of most economically neoliberal European electorates.

An example is that which I mentioned above about the PT govt’s new legislation on housing.

That’s a firmly centre-left policy package which you might see proposed or enacted in any number of Western or Northern European countries. In the UK, if Labour even touched on such ideas, they’d be branded as politically naive at best and communists at worst by not only the media, but no doubt a raft of voters who consider themselves left of centre, but by European or wider standards would be considered right of centre neoliberals.

posted on 8/3/23

Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 47% (+1)
CON: 25% (+2)
LDM: 10% (+1)
RFM: 6% (-2)
GRN: 5% (-2)
SNP: 4% (=)

Via @YouGov, 28 Feb - 1 Mar.
Changes w/ 21-22 Feb.

Grate Windsor framework bounce

posted on 8/3/23

Put it this way:

When your INCUMBENT GOVERNMENT announces an economic and fiscal plan which is so extremely libertarian that it scares the most strongly free-market propounding, regulation-denouncing, small state championing sector of your economy to such an extent that it completely panics and wipes tens of billions off the markets in a matter of hours, well, what does that say?

posted on 8/3/23

comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think in political terms, whilst the country (like most the rest of the world) has quite noisily shifted socially leftwards/become more liberal over the last two to three generations, it has very quietly economically flown rightwards, to a spectacular extent.

If we look at where the Overton Window sits through a purely economic and fiscal lens, both Labour and the Tories have shifted, wholesale, to the right.

Those on the right of the Conservative Party’s economic conversation are now amongst the planet’s most economically libertarian extremists, to such an extent that policy packages like theirs don’t even exist
on the ballot papers of most economically neoliberal European electorates.

An example is that which I mentioned above about the PT govt’s new legislation on housing.

That’s a firmly centre-left policy package which you might see proposed or enacted in any number of Western or Northern European countries. In the UK, if Labour even touched on such ideas, they’d be branded as politically naive at best and communists at worst by not only the media, but no doubt a raft of voters who consider themselves left of centre, but by European or wider standards would be considered right of centre neoliberals.
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I've found your last few posts really interesting.

What other examples would you use to highlight that shift?

posted on 8/3/23

One question re: Portugal... how do the government know if a property is vacant?

posted on 8/3/23

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
One question re: Portugal... how do the government know if a property is vacant?
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Good question and I don’t know the answer to that one. I’ll see if I can find out

Got to go walk the dogs Winston then take the missus to her rollerskating class (seriously ), but I’ll try to catch up with you on your post above later.

posted on 8/3/23

comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
One question re: Portugal... how do the government know if a property is vacant?
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Good question and I don’t know the answer to that one. I’ll see if I can find out

Got to go walk the dogs Winston then take the missus to her rollerskating class (seriously), but I’ll try to catch up with you on your post above later.
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Love that. Enjoy, chat soon!

posted on 8/3/23

The housing minister has just admitted to Channel 4 that it’s fine to prioritise a Ukrainian refugee over an Iranian.

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1633495215829839872?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw

posted on 8/3/23

Linekers comments are just another example of the Labour bias we get from the supposedly neutral BBC.

He's paid copious amounts of tax payers money to present a football show and that's what he should stick to, there's really no need for him to downplay the Holocaust.

Fackin Moron!!? He should be suspended and maybe take a trip to Auschwitz before he returns with a humble apology.

posted on 8/3/23

Remembering Cochise of the Apache who resisted “westward expansion” into the lands “which had long been home” to his people until the “Europeans arrived”. Read that twice and think about that…

America a land stolen from the Native American by the Anglo invaders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sBfY9HKUss&t=37s

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 8/3/23

St. Brendan wasn't an Anglo, Leif Ericson was not an Anglo, Columbus wasn't an Anglo, Amerigo Vespucci was not an Anglo.

The Russian troll education system eh!

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 8/3/23

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
Linekers comments are just another example of the Labour bias we get from the supposedly neutral BBC.

He's paid copious amounts of tax payers money to present a football show and that's what he should stick to, there's really no need for him to downplay the Holocaust.

Fackin Moron!!? He should be suspended and maybe take a trip to Auschwitz before he returns with a humble apology.
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Pawl hates the freedoms this country provides it's citizens.

posted on 8/3/23

Lineker downplayed the Holocaust?

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 8/3/23

80 goals in 138 appearances, Pawl hates his legends.

posted on 8/3/23

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 23 minutes ago
Linekers comments are just another example of the Labour bias we get from the supposedly neutral BBC.

He's paid copious amounts of tax payers money to present a football show and that's what he should stick to, there's really no need for him to downplay the Holocaust.

Fackin Moron!!? He should be suspended and maybe take a trip to Auschwitz before he returns with a humble apology.
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How far do we take this?

Is Lineker allowed to express an opinion in the pub? Or is that banned as well?

posted on 8/3/23

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
80 goals in 138 appearances, Pawl hates his legends.
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Haha, good job we didn't have twitter in those days.

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 8/3/23

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
80 goals in 138 appearances, Pawl hates his legends.
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Haha, good job we didn't have twitter in those days.
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You might have a point if Lineker was mouthing his political views on MoTD, as a BBC employee, but he's an external contractor on sport voicing a personal opinion on a privately owned forum.
Don't like what he says, don't read him, you have that choice.

posted on 8/3/23

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lineker downplayed the Holocaust?
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Holocaust began in 1933 so to compare the current GB government policy to 1930's Germany is making a comparison.

posted on 8/3/23

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
Sat nav

Why cant you own your political stance and opinions like most of the rest of us do. You are well aware that you champion as far extreme right political thinking as you can get in our political democratic system. The fact is that the UK under this gvt is sailing into unchartered rightwing waters that you seem eager to endorse. Yet when some one challenges you about yor stance you seem to cry a wounded denial, get annoyed that you are descibed as being part of this rightwing movement and all those who do hold you to account names. Grow a pair and be thst person

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Ask WWSPD, Hector, Insert, heck even Tam if I champion extreme far right politics. I don’t know if you’re confusing me with someone else or you’re as dumb as you come across. Either way, I really couldn’t care less about what you write or think.
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I dunno I think you champion extreme right politics 😜😜 joking of course, you’d be to the right of me socially and economically. Oh and I meant to reply yesterday evening to your point on fox versus cnn. I think in terms of trump specifically, you’ve convinced me that there is a broad equating of coverage by fox and cnn. I’m not sure I would broaden it out past that though in terms of general reporting on politics in the US. For example, I’m not sure that the reporting on DeSantis could be considered as unbalanced on CNN as it would be on Fox.

posted on 8/3/23

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lineker downplayed the Holocaust?
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Holocaust began in 1933 so to compare the current GB government policy to 1930's Germany is making a comparison.
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Well, there's plenty of reading about how the roots of fascism take hold, and it isn't much of a stretch to draw similarities with the language and rhetoric of these policies, and this government (along with Trump).

That's not downplaying anything. That's a reasonable interpretation of events.

posted on 8/3/23

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lineker downplayed the Holocaust?
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Holocaust began in 1933 so to compare the current GB government policy to 1930's Germany is making a comparison.
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Well, there's plenty of reading about how the roots of fascism take hold, and it isn't much of a stretch to draw similarities with the language and rhetoric of these policies, and this government (along with Trump).

That's not downplaying anything. That's a reasonable interpretation of events.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Got the start date of Holocaust as 1941…

posted on 8/3/23

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lineker downplayed the Holocaust?
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Holocaust began in 1933 so to compare the current GB government policy to 1930's Germany is making a comparison.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, there's plenty of reading about how the roots of fascism take hold, and it isn't much of a stretch to draw similarities with the language and rhetoric of these policies, and this government (along with Trump).

That's not downplaying anything. That's a reasonable interpretation of events.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Got the start date of Holocaust as 1941…
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So?

posted on 8/3/23

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lineker downplayed the Holocaust?
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Holocaust began in 1933 so to compare the current GB government policy to 1930's Germany is making a comparison.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, there's plenty of reading about how the roots of fascism take hold, and it isn't much of a stretch to draw similarities with the language and rhetoric of these policies, and this government (along with Trump).

That's not downplaying anything. That's a reasonable interpretation of events.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Got the start date of Holocaust as 1941…
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So?
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So it didn’t begin in 1933 as was asserted above 🤷‍♂️

posted on 8/3/23

Ah ok, fair enough.

But I think it's a moot point as the Holocaust was a result of things that had gone before, it didn't just spring up.

posted on 8/3/23

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lineker downplayed the Holocaust?
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Holocaust began in 1933 so to compare the current GB government policy to 1930's Germany is making a comparison.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, there's plenty of reading about how the roots of fascism take hold, and it isn't much of a stretch to draw similarities with the language and rhetoric of these policies, and this government (along with Trump).

That's not downplaying anything. That's a reasonable interpretation of events.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Got the start date of Holocaust as 1941…
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So?
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So it didn’t begin in 1933 as was asserted above 🤷‍♂️
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30th Jan 1933.

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