comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
The only thing that is important about Afobe and Kmac is how they would compare with what we have now.
Is there one single Wolves fan who would swap Neves for Kmac? Is there one single Wolves fan that would swap Bonatini for Afobe?
I suspect that would be a no then. The simple fact is we have moved on and in doing so we have moved up a level (or more) in quality.
As I said the other day, I can't think of a single player who has left the club in the last 5 years who I would want back to join the present squad (with the possible exception of Afobe).
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To be honest I think Afobe and kmac are about the only two that would fit into what we are doing.
Afobe is 4th choice at a team struggling to stay in the premier, why would we want him. He is only getting games there because better players have been injured
I wouldn't want him back DJ but I do think that he would fit into our system and be an adequate back up for Bonatini. Bonatini would be my first choice of the two though even if it were only for his attitude.
Afobe and KMac would both be back up this season and out the door if we got promoted. Don’t see the point in either.
No team with KMac as their main midfielder will ever finish higher than the playoffs. He is easily marked out of the game, lacks the mobility to get up and down the pitch so the midfield is always deep and his lack of mobility without the ball means struggles defensively. He is probably part of the reason Fulham concede every game as he is easily caught out. We overrate him at Wolves because he was the first player we had had in years who put his foot on the ball.
KMac's best season was when we were in Div 1. Did nothing of note in Champo and not pulling up any trees with Fulham. It's a no from me as Neves is much better and has bags more potential.
Afobe had a good 3 months. The following season he gave up, sulked and "forced" Wolves to get rid. View him in the same vein as Johnson, O'Hara and Hennessey in never wanting them to be associated with our great club.
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 3 hours, 16 minutes ago
I wouldn't want him back DJ but I do think that he would fit into our system and be an adequate back up for Bonatini. Bonatini would be my first choice of the two though even if it were only for his attitude.
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I disagree Gem I don’t think an Afobe type player would fit into the way we play. He is a decent finisher at championship level but his overall game is very limited. Bonatini is at least as good a finisher, is a more intelligent player and his link up play with Jota is a joy to watch. Afobe wants the players around him to do all the hard work so he can just put the finishing touch and even for cover we want more than that from a centre forward.
As for Kmac excellent in league one but only occasionally good in the championship. A level below where we are now
Once again Kevin De Bruyne’s shown his class by asking Connor Ronan to swap shirts with him after the game. What an absolute star he is.
http://www.givemesport.com/1178731-kevin-de-bruyne-made-a-lovely-gesture-to-a-wolves-player-after-carabao-cup-win?autoplay=on
I reckon Ronan was thinking 'feck off, I keep all my shirts, but but ah feck, can't say no now can I, feck it'.
Good video clip here of Vinagre showing up Man City's £50 million England international right back.
https://streamable.com/bzhkw
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 11 hours, 25 minutes ago
Afobe and KMac would both be back up this season and out the door if we got promoted. Don’t see the point in either.
No team with KMac as their main midfielder will ever finish higher than the playoffs. He is easily marked out of the game, lacks the mobility to get up and down the pitch so the midfield is always deep and his lack of mobility without the ball means struggles defensively. He is probably part of the reason Fulham concede every game as he is easily caught out. We overrate him at Wolves because he was the first player we had had in years who put his foot on the ball.
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No over rating of kmac from me. Thought he was an average champo midfielder who i was happy to see sold. Nowhere near the quality of our current squad, in the same way that edwards wouldn't challenge jota fuether upfield. And i never felt showed the work rate or loyalty of edwards or price
But yet slotted straight into one of last seasons best sides in Fulham and was one of their players of the season.
Meanwhile at the bottom end Edwards is huffing and puffing away for Reading.
comment by Cinciwolf-moist with excitement (U11551)
posted 14 minutes ago
But yet slotted straight into one of last seasons best sides in Fulham and was one of their players of the season.
Meanwhile at the bottom end Edwards is huffing and puffing away for Reading.
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Were they ‘one of the best teams’? They finished 6th, which is about the best you can expect from a team with him as a main midfielder. Not a lot of difference between 6th and 14th most seasons in the Championship, so seems pretty average for the Championship to me. Guarantee that no team with him as a main midfielder will finish in an automatic spot and will always be in a battle to make the play offs.
Not sure why you always default to Edwards in any discussion. I think it has always been accepted that Edwards was an average Championship player, not sure where anyone has stated otherwise. A bit like Godwin’s law with Hitler; Cinci’s law dictates that the longer a discussion goes on, the probability of a comparison with Edwards approaches 1.
Not sure where anyone stated otherwise
Fack me, every man and his dog has been trying to convince themselves he saved our last two seasons, the gulf in class between Edwards and kmac is a chasm, Edwards is a bottom half championship player at best.
And Fulham were very good as the season wore on and many felt they were clear play off favourites in most folks eyes, scoring for fun.
comment by Cinciwolf-moist with excitement (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Not sure where anyone stated otherwise
Fack me, every man and his dog has been trying to convince themselves he saved our last two seasons, the gulf in class between Edwards and kmac is a chasm, Edwards is a bottom half championship player at best.
And Fulham were very good as the season wore on and many felt they were clear play off favourites in most folks eyes, scoring for fun.
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Edwards was one of our better performers (not a saviour, but you do like to throw things to extremes when someone disagrees with you) the last two seasons and we finished mid table in both of them. Hence why he is an average Championship player. I don’t see where any one has stated otherwise; putting a smiley next to it, is hardly evidence to the contrary.
McDonald is a better allround midfielder than Edwards, it doesn’t make him good enough. He has many limitations which I have outlined before.
Fulham scored goals last season, but they also leaked goals consistently. They actually conceded a similar amount to us and we were rubbish. They have continued the same way this season and have to score at least twice every week if they are going to win; as they always concede. He lacks the mobility to keep up with play, so either has to sit really deep or he gets caught out defensively. He is easily marked out of a game if he starts to have any impact. Like last season, Fulham’s best hope is the play offs and they are currently sitting in 10th.
When we play them next week; Jota, Cav/Costa, Neves and Saiss will run him ragged. You can continue the clamour for him if you wish, I will maintain that we can do much better and are better off now without him.
No clamour tam, just that he is a player Nuno would use.
He isn't a patch on Saiss or Neves though, but few if any players in the championship are when it comes to midfield.
comment by Cinciwolf-moist with excitement (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
No clamour tam, just that he is a player Nuno would use.
He isn't a patch on Saiss or Neves though, but few if any players in the championship are when it comes to midfield.
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I don’t think he would have. I think N’Daiye is better too. I think he would have ended up in a similar position to Price. Used sparingly if needed and probably on the way out by the end of the season.
not sure what supports the idea that there's a chasm like gulf in class between the two players
kmac has played around 400 games in his career, 26 in the prem, and around 250 in a league lower than championship level.
edwards has played around 430 games in his career, 60 in the prem, and around 170 in a league lower than the championship
both have won promotion to the prem once, both finished 7th with wolves recently, and Edwards also has another play-of place to his name
kmac has 3 or 4 caps for Scotland. Edwards has 40 odd for wales, including being part of a major tournament semi-final
can't say there's anything in those figures to suggest either player is any better than average championship, and in fact kmac's record is a fair bit worse than Edwards. unless all those footnball managers and clubs over the years have got it wrong, I think average champo is a pretty fair description.
comment by gbwolf V - golden ring (U17280)
posted 25 minutes ago
not sure what supports the idea that there's a chasm like gulf in class between the two players
kmac has played around 400 games in his career, 26 in the prem, and around 250 in a league lower than championship level.
edwards has played around 430 games in his career, 60 in the prem, and around 170 in a league lower than the championship
both have won promotion to the prem once, both finished 7th with wolves recently, and Edwards also has another play-of place to his name
kmac has 3 or 4 caps for Scotland. Edwards has 40 odd for wales, including being part of a major tournament semi-final
can't say there's anything in those figures to suggest either player is any better than average championship, and in fact kmac's record is a fair bit worse than Edwards. unless all those footnball managers and clubs over the years have got it wrong, I think average champo is a pretty fair description.
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No, but I was assuming you had eyes
comment by gbwolf V - golden ring (U17280)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
not sure what supports the idea that there's a chasm like gulf in class between the two players
kmac has played around 400 games in his career, 26 in the prem, and around 250 in a league lower than championship level.
edwards has played around 430 games in his career, 60 in the prem, and around 170 in a league lower than the championship
both have won promotion to the prem once, both finished 7th with wolves recently, and Edwards also has another play-of place to his name
kmac has 3 or 4 caps for Scotland. Edwards has 40 odd for wales, including being part of a major tournament semi-final
can't say there's anything in those figures to suggest either player is any better than average championship, and in fact kmac's record is a fair bit worse than Edwards. unless all those footnball managers and clubs over the years have got it wrong, I think average champo is a pretty fair description.
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FFS of course all of those football managers had it wrong. Cinciwolf is the oracle as far as football information is concerned and I for one would trust his judgement over all others.
In the same way that WolfieintheSunshinestate is modest, humble and considerate, then Cinciwolf is the "Alex Ferguson" of football common sense.
Anyway, in real Wolves' news; we have exclusive options to buy all of our loanees including Vinagre who is allegedly attracting some of the Premier League's "big hitters" as well as Arsenal and Everton.
We may take-up some of those options in January:
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2017/10/27/revealed-wolves-have-first-option-on-ruben-vinagre/
Wolves has also signed a new striker. Yay! 18 yo, Benny Ashley-Seal from Norwich. Straight into the U23s.
comment by Reenie Turpin (U21403)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by gbwolf V - golden ring (U17280)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
not sure what supports the idea that there's a chasm like gulf in class between the two players
kmac has played around 400 games in his career, 26 in the prem, and around 250 in a league lower than championship level.
edwards has played around 430 games in his career, 60 in the prem, and around 170 in a league lower than the championship
both have won promotion to the prem once, both finished 7th with wolves recently, and Edwards also has another play-of place to his name
kmac has 3 or 4 caps for Scotland. Edwards has 40 odd for wales, including being part of a major tournament semi-final
can't say there's anything in those figures to suggest either player is any better than average championship, and in fact kmac's record is a fair bit worse than Edwards. unless all those footnball managers and clubs over the years have got it wrong, I think average champo is a pretty fair description.
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FFS of course all of those football managers had it wrong. Cinciwolf is the oracle as far as football information is concerned and I for one would trust his judgement over all others.
In the same way that WolfieintheSunshinestate is modest, humble and considerate, then Cinciwolf is the "Alex Ferguson" of football common sense.
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Dunno about that, but it is concerning that those going to games thought we should cut our loses on cav and saiss and promote Oniangue and Zyro instead, makes you wonder what they are looking at doesn't it.
Offer kmac and Edwards to every club in the top two tiers and it would be about a 5-1 swing in kmacs favour.
Said all through last season that Saiss was a player just waiting to be given a chance to perform how he could without
A. the shackles put on him by managers who didn't want to play football
B. the fact that said managers didn't really want to pick him
We'll never know about the onion because he obviously upset Lambert & didn't win over Nuno during close season, Zyro looks to be a player of quality but isn't fit enough to prove it, shame to see Edwards go as we all love a tryer but it's about quality now, KMac has a little more quality but not enough for where we want to be
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posted on 25/10/17
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
The only thing that is important about Afobe and Kmac is how they would compare with what we have now.
Is there one single Wolves fan who would swap Neves for Kmac? Is there one single Wolves fan that would swap Bonatini for Afobe?
I suspect that would be a no then. The simple fact is we have moved on and in doing so we have moved up a level (or more) in quality.
As I said the other day, I can't think of a single player who has left the club in the last 5 years who I would want back to join the present squad (with the possible exception of Afobe).
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To be honest I think Afobe and kmac are about the only two that would fit into what we are doing.
posted on 26/10/17
Afobe is 4th choice at a team struggling to stay in the premier, why would we want him. He is only getting games there because better players have been injured
posted on 26/10/17
I wouldn't want him back DJ but I do think that he would fit into our system and be an adequate back up for Bonatini. Bonatini would be my first choice of the two though even if it were only for his attitude.
posted on 26/10/17
Afobe and KMac would both be back up this season and out the door if we got promoted. Don’t see the point in either.
No team with KMac as their main midfielder will ever finish higher than the playoffs. He is easily marked out of the game, lacks the mobility to get up and down the pitch so the midfield is always deep and his lack of mobility without the ball means struggles defensively. He is probably part of the reason Fulham concede every game as he is easily caught out. We overrate him at Wolves because he was the first player we had had in years who put his foot on the ball.
posted on 26/10/17
KMac's best season was when we were in Div 1. Did nothing of note in Champo and not pulling up any trees with Fulham. It's a no from me as Neves is much better and has bags more potential.
Afobe had a good 3 months. The following season he gave up, sulked and "forced" Wolves to get rid. View him in the same vein as Johnson, O'Hara and Hennessey in never wanting them to be associated with our great club.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 3 hours, 16 minutes ago
I wouldn't want him back DJ but I do think that he would fit into our system and be an adequate back up for Bonatini. Bonatini would be my first choice of the two though even if it were only for his attitude.
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I disagree Gem I don’t think an Afobe type player would fit into the way we play. He is a decent finisher at championship level but his overall game is very limited. Bonatini is at least as good a finisher, is a more intelligent player and his link up play with Jota is a joy to watch. Afobe wants the players around him to do all the hard work so he can just put the finishing touch and even for cover we want more than that from a centre forward.
As for Kmac excellent in league one but only occasionally good in the championship. A level below where we are now
posted on 26/10/17
posted on 26/10/17
Once again Kevin De Bruyne’s shown his class by asking Connor Ronan to swap shirts with him after the game. What an absolute star he is.
posted on 26/10/17
http://www.givemesport.com/1178731-kevin-de-bruyne-made-a-lovely-gesture-to-a-wolves-player-after-carabao-cup-win?autoplay=on
posted on 26/10/17
I reckon Ronan was thinking 'feck off, I keep all my shirts, but but ah feck, can't say no now can I, feck it'.
posted on 26/10/17
Good video clip here of Vinagre showing up Man City's £50 million England international right back.
https://streamable.com/bzhkw
posted on 26/10/17
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 11 hours, 25 minutes ago
Afobe and KMac would both be back up this season and out the door if we got promoted. Don’t see the point in either.
No team with KMac as their main midfielder will ever finish higher than the playoffs. He is easily marked out of the game, lacks the mobility to get up and down the pitch so the midfield is always deep and his lack of mobility without the ball means struggles defensively. He is probably part of the reason Fulham concede every game as he is easily caught out. We overrate him at Wolves because he was the first player we had had in years who put his foot on the ball.
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No over rating of kmac from me. Thought he was an average champo midfielder who i was happy to see sold. Nowhere near the quality of our current squad, in the same way that edwards wouldn't challenge jota fuether upfield. And i never felt showed the work rate or loyalty of edwards or price
posted on 26/10/17
But yet slotted straight into one of last seasons best sides in Fulham and was one of their players of the season.
Meanwhile at the bottom end Edwards is huffing and puffing away for Reading.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by Cinciwolf-moist with excitement (U11551)
posted 14 minutes ago
But yet slotted straight into one of last seasons best sides in Fulham and was one of their players of the season.
Meanwhile at the bottom end Edwards is huffing and puffing away for Reading.
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Were they ‘one of the best teams’? They finished 6th, which is about the best you can expect from a team with him as a main midfielder. Not a lot of difference between 6th and 14th most seasons in the Championship, so seems pretty average for the Championship to me. Guarantee that no team with him as a main midfielder will finish in an automatic spot and will always be in a battle to make the play offs.
Not sure why you always default to Edwards in any discussion. I think it has always been accepted that Edwards was an average Championship player, not sure where anyone has stated otherwise. A bit like Godwin’s law with Hitler; Cinci’s law dictates that the longer a discussion goes on, the probability of a comparison with Edwards approaches 1.
posted on 26/10/17
Not sure where anyone stated otherwise
Fack me, every man and his dog has been trying to convince themselves he saved our last two seasons, the gulf in class between Edwards and kmac is a chasm, Edwards is a bottom half championship player at best.
And Fulham were very good as the season wore on and many felt they were clear play off favourites in most folks eyes, scoring for fun.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by Cinciwolf-moist with excitement (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Not sure where anyone stated otherwise
Fack me, every man and his dog has been trying to convince themselves he saved our last two seasons, the gulf in class between Edwards and kmac is a chasm, Edwards is a bottom half championship player at best.
And Fulham were very good as the season wore on and many felt they were clear play off favourites in most folks eyes, scoring for fun.
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Edwards was one of our better performers (not a saviour, but you do like to throw things to extremes when someone disagrees with you) the last two seasons and we finished mid table in both of them. Hence why he is an average Championship player. I don’t see where any one has stated otherwise; putting a smiley next to it, is hardly evidence to the contrary.
McDonald is a better allround midfielder than Edwards, it doesn’t make him good enough. He has many limitations which I have outlined before.
Fulham scored goals last season, but they also leaked goals consistently. They actually conceded a similar amount to us and we were rubbish. They have continued the same way this season and have to score at least twice every week if they are going to win; as they always concede. He lacks the mobility to keep up with play, so either has to sit really deep or he gets caught out defensively. He is easily marked out of a game if he starts to have any impact. Like last season, Fulham’s best hope is the play offs and they are currently sitting in 10th.
When we play them next week; Jota, Cav/Costa, Neves and Saiss will run him ragged. You can continue the clamour for him if you wish, I will maintain that we can do much better and are better off now without him.
posted on 26/10/17
No clamour tam, just that he is a player Nuno would use.
He isn't a patch on Saiss or Neves though, but few if any players in the championship are when it comes to midfield.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by Cinciwolf-moist with excitement (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
No clamour tam, just that he is a player Nuno would use.
He isn't a patch on Saiss or Neves though, but few if any players in the championship are when it comes to midfield.
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I don’t think he would have. I think N’Daiye is better too. I think he would have ended up in a similar position to Price. Used sparingly if needed and probably on the way out by the end of the season.
posted on 27/10/17
not sure what supports the idea that there's a chasm like gulf in class between the two players
kmac has played around 400 games in his career, 26 in the prem, and around 250 in a league lower than championship level.
edwards has played around 430 games in his career, 60 in the prem, and around 170 in a league lower than the championship
both have won promotion to the prem once, both finished 7th with wolves recently, and Edwards also has another play-of place to his name
kmac has 3 or 4 caps for Scotland. Edwards has 40 odd for wales, including being part of a major tournament semi-final
can't say there's anything in those figures to suggest either player is any better than average championship, and in fact kmac's record is a fair bit worse than Edwards. unless all those footnball managers and clubs over the years have got it wrong, I think average champo is a pretty fair description.
posted on 27/10/17
comment by gbwolf V - golden ring (U17280)
posted 25 minutes ago
not sure what supports the idea that there's a chasm like gulf in class between the two players
kmac has played around 400 games in his career, 26 in the prem, and around 250 in a league lower than championship level.
edwards has played around 430 games in his career, 60 in the prem, and around 170 in a league lower than the championship
both have won promotion to the prem once, both finished 7th with wolves recently, and Edwards also has another play-of place to his name
kmac has 3 or 4 caps for Scotland. Edwards has 40 odd for wales, including being part of a major tournament semi-final
can't say there's anything in those figures to suggest either player is any better than average championship, and in fact kmac's record is a fair bit worse than Edwards. unless all those footnball managers and clubs over the years have got it wrong, I think average champo is a pretty fair description.
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No, but I was assuming you had eyes
posted on 27/10/17
comment by gbwolf V - golden ring (U17280)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
not sure what supports the idea that there's a chasm like gulf in class between the two players
kmac has played around 400 games in his career, 26 in the prem, and around 250 in a league lower than championship level.
edwards has played around 430 games in his career, 60 in the prem, and around 170 in a league lower than the championship
both have won promotion to the prem once, both finished 7th with wolves recently, and Edwards also has another play-of place to his name
kmac has 3 or 4 caps for Scotland. Edwards has 40 odd for wales, including being part of a major tournament semi-final
can't say there's anything in those figures to suggest either player is any better than average championship, and in fact kmac's record is a fair bit worse than Edwards. unless all those footnball managers and clubs over the years have got it wrong, I think average champo is a pretty fair description.
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FFS of course all of those football managers had it wrong. Cinciwolf is the oracle as far as football information is concerned and I for one would trust his judgement over all others.
In the same way that WolfieintheSunshinestate is modest, humble and considerate, then Cinciwolf is the "Alex Ferguson" of football common sense.
posted on 27/10/17
Anyway, in real Wolves' news; we have exclusive options to buy all of our loanees including Vinagre who is allegedly attracting some of the Premier League's "big hitters" as well as Arsenal and Everton.
We may take-up some of those options in January:
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2017/10/27/revealed-wolves-have-first-option-on-ruben-vinagre/
posted on 27/10/17
Wolves has also signed a new striker. Yay! 18 yo, Benny Ashley-Seal from Norwich. Straight into the U23s.
posted on 27/10/17
comment by Reenie Turpin (U21403)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by gbwolf V - golden ring (U17280)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
not sure what supports the idea that there's a chasm like gulf in class between the two players
kmac has played around 400 games in his career, 26 in the prem, and around 250 in a league lower than championship level.
edwards has played around 430 games in his career, 60 in the prem, and around 170 in a league lower than the championship
both have won promotion to the prem once, both finished 7th with wolves recently, and Edwards also has another play-of place to his name
kmac has 3 or 4 caps for Scotland. Edwards has 40 odd for wales, including being part of a major tournament semi-final
can't say there's anything in those figures to suggest either player is any better than average championship, and in fact kmac's record is a fair bit worse than Edwards. unless all those footnball managers and clubs over the years have got it wrong, I think average champo is a pretty fair description.
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FFS of course all of those football managers had it wrong. Cinciwolf is the oracle as far as football information is concerned and I for one would trust his judgement over all others.
In the same way that WolfieintheSunshinestate is modest, humble and considerate, then Cinciwolf is the "Alex Ferguson" of football common sense.
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Dunno about that, but it is concerning that those going to games thought we should cut our loses on cav and saiss and promote Oniangue and Zyro instead, makes you wonder what they are looking at doesn't it.
Offer kmac and Edwards to every club in the top two tiers and it would be about a 5-1 swing in kmacs favour.
posted on 27/10/17
Said all through last season that Saiss was a player just waiting to be given a chance to perform how he could without
A. the shackles put on him by managers who didn't want to play football
B. the fact that said managers didn't really want to pick him
We'll never know about the onion because he obviously upset Lambert & didn't win over Nuno during close season, Zyro looks to be a player of quality but isn't fit enough to prove it, shame to see Edwards go as we all love a tryer but it's about quality now, KMac has a little more quality but not enough for where we want to be
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