comment by Cinciwolf-moist with excitement (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Reenie Turpin (U21403)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by gbwolf V - golden ring (U17280)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
not sure what supports the idea that there's a chasm like gulf in class between the two players
kmac has played around 400 games in his career, 26 in the prem, and around 250 in a league lower than championship level.
edwards has played around 430 games in his career, 60 in the prem, and around 170 in a league lower than the championship
both have won promotion to the prem once, both finished 7th with wolves recently, and Edwards also has another play-of place to his name
kmac has 3 or 4 caps for Scotland. Edwards has 40 odd for wales, including being part of a major tournament semi-final
can't say there's anything in those figures to suggest either player is any better than average championship, and in fact kmac's record is a fair bit worse than Edwards. unless all those footnball managers and clubs over the years have got it wrong, I think average champo is a pretty fair description.
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FFS of course all of those football managers had it wrong. Cinciwolf is the oracle as far as football information is concerned and I for one would trust his judgement over all others.
In the same way that WolfieintheSunshinestate is modest, humble and considerate, then Cinciwolf is the "Alex Ferguson" of football common sense.
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Dunno about that, but it is concerning that those going to games thought we should cut our loses on cav and saiss and promote Oniangue and Zyro instead, makes you wonder what they are looking at doesn't it.
Offer kmac and Edwards to every club in the top two tiers and it would be about a 5-1 swing in kmacs favour.
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Easy to say that when there is no way to ever prove it.
You spent years telling everyone that no Championship club wanted Edwards and it was proof he wasn’t good enough for Championship football, then when he was made available he went to the club who finished 3rd last year.
Fact is, any club either of them go to in the Premier League would probably be relegated and it is unlikely any team up there would be interested. Most Championship clubs would have either of them in the squad, it’s unlikely any Championship club will get promoted with either of them as a main midfielder.
Saiss was also very inconsistent last season, but I can’t remember anyone on here rating Oniangue. I don’t remember one person complaining when he was loaned out.
Cav was frustrating last season and he was last season. People looked forward to Zyro returning from injury as he had an impact in his short spell when fit, but I’m not sure there has been any great clamour for him to replace Cav. I think a lot of people would rather see Costa back to fitness to replace him if I’m honest. Would you disagree?
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-moist with excitement (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Reenie Turpin (U21403)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by gbwolf V - golden ring (U17280)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
not sure what supports the idea that there's a chasm like gulf in class between the two players
kmac has played around 400 games in his career, 26 in the prem, and around 250 in a league lower than championship level.
edwards has played around 430 games in his career, 60 in the prem, and around 170 in a league lower than the championship
both have won promotion to the prem once, both finished 7th with wolves recently, and Edwards also has another play-of place to his name
kmac has 3 or 4 caps for Scotland. Edwards has 40 odd for wales, including being part of a major tournament semi-final
can't say there's anything in those figures to suggest either player is any better than average championship, and in fact kmac's record is a fair bit worse than Edwards. unless all those footnball managers and clubs over the years have got it wrong, I think average champo is a pretty fair description.
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FFS of course all of those football managers had it wrong. Cinciwolf is the oracle as far as football information is concerned and I for one would trust his judgement over all others.
In the same way that WolfieintheSunshinestate is modest, humble and considerate, then Cinciwolf is the "Alex Ferguson" of football common sense.
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Dunno about that, but it is concerning that those going to games thought we should cut our loses on cav and saiss and promote Oniangue and Zyro instead, makes you wonder what they are looking at doesn't it.
Offer kmac and Edwards to every club in the top two tiers and it would be about a 5-1 swing in kmacs favour.
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Easy to say that when there is no way to ever prove it.
You spent years telling everyone that no Championship club wanted Edwards and it was proof he wasn’t good enough for Championship football, then when he was made available he went to the club who finished 3rd last year.
Fact is, any club either of them go to in the Premier League would probably be relegated and it is unlikely any team up there would be interested. Most Championship clubs would have either of them in the squad, it’s unlikely any Championship club will get promoted with either of them as a main midfielder.
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i'd have taken £5-7m for cav in the summer as he wasn't that good last year. I still wouldn't be heartbroken if we got £7m for him as I don't think he's proven himself to be a top player yet and I think we could get someone as good (and maybe more consistent).
doesn't mean I don't like the guy or think he has potential, but he really hasn't been a patch on jota who was showing signs of being absolute top class after only a couple of games in the UK. and he has never got anywhere near the levels of costa last season.
similar story with saiss. playing better this season, more often, which is great. do I think he'll be the long term CM in our prem side? no.
I actually liked the look of oniangue, tam. think he was a bit like n'diaye but not quite as good. in the games I saw he had more impact than saiss last season, but I think this year he'd be fifth choice CM or lower...but then perhaps playing with neves, jota, costa, bonatini, doc, douglas, and boly around him he'd look much improved too, like saiss.
Proud..........
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posted on 27/10/17
comment by Cinciwolf-moist with excitement (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Reenie Turpin (U21403)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by gbwolf V - golden ring (U17280)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
not sure what supports the idea that there's a chasm like gulf in class between the two players
kmac has played around 400 games in his career, 26 in the prem, and around 250 in a league lower than championship level.
edwards has played around 430 games in his career, 60 in the prem, and around 170 in a league lower than the championship
both have won promotion to the prem once, both finished 7th with wolves recently, and Edwards also has another play-of place to his name
kmac has 3 or 4 caps for Scotland. Edwards has 40 odd for wales, including being part of a major tournament semi-final
can't say there's anything in those figures to suggest either player is any better than average championship, and in fact kmac's record is a fair bit worse than Edwards. unless all those footnball managers and clubs over the years have got it wrong, I think average champo is a pretty fair description.
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FFS of course all of those football managers had it wrong. Cinciwolf is the oracle as far as football information is concerned and I for one would trust his judgement over all others.
In the same way that WolfieintheSunshinestate is modest, humble and considerate, then Cinciwolf is the "Alex Ferguson" of football common sense.
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Dunno about that, but it is concerning that those going to games thought we should cut our loses on cav and saiss and promote Oniangue and Zyro instead, makes you wonder what they are looking at doesn't it.
Offer kmac and Edwards to every club in the top two tiers and it would be about a 5-1 swing in kmacs favour.
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Easy to say that when there is no way to ever prove it.
You spent years telling everyone that no Championship club wanted Edwards and it was proof he wasn’t good enough for Championship football, then when he was made available he went to the club who finished 3rd last year.
Fact is, any club either of them go to in the Premier League would probably be relegated and it is unlikely any team up there would be interested. Most Championship clubs would have either of them in the squad, it’s unlikely any Championship club will get promoted with either of them as a main midfielder.
posted on 27/10/17
Saiss was also very inconsistent last season, but I can’t remember anyone on here rating Oniangue. I don’t remember one person complaining when he was loaned out.
Cav was frustrating last season and he was last season. People looked forward to Zyro returning from injury as he had an impact in his short spell when fit, but I’m not sure there has been any great clamour for him to replace Cav. I think a lot of people would rather see Costa back to fitness to replace him if I’m honest. Would you disagree?
posted on 27/10/17
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-moist with excitement (U11551)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Reenie Turpin (U21403)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by gbwolf V - golden ring (U17280)
posted 5 hours, 31 minutes ago
not sure what supports the idea that there's a chasm like gulf in class between the two players
kmac has played around 400 games in his career, 26 in the prem, and around 250 in a league lower than championship level.
edwards has played around 430 games in his career, 60 in the prem, and around 170 in a league lower than the championship
both have won promotion to the prem once, both finished 7th with wolves recently, and Edwards also has another play-of place to his name
kmac has 3 or 4 caps for Scotland. Edwards has 40 odd for wales, including being part of a major tournament semi-final
can't say there's anything in those figures to suggest either player is any better than average championship, and in fact kmac's record is a fair bit worse than Edwards. unless all those footnball managers and clubs over the years have got it wrong, I think average champo is a pretty fair description.
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FFS of course all of those football managers had it wrong. Cinciwolf is the oracle as far as football information is concerned and I for one would trust his judgement over all others.
In the same way that WolfieintheSunshinestate is modest, humble and considerate, then Cinciwolf is the "Alex Ferguson" of football common sense.
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Dunno about that, but it is concerning that those going to games thought we should cut our loses on cav and saiss and promote Oniangue and Zyro instead, makes you wonder what they are looking at doesn't it.
Offer kmac and Edwards to every club in the top two tiers and it would be about a 5-1 swing in kmacs favour.
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Easy to say that when there is no way to ever prove it.
You spent years telling everyone that no Championship club wanted Edwards and it was proof he wasn’t good enough for Championship football, then when he was made available he went to the club who finished 3rd last year.
Fact is, any club either of them go to in the Premier League would probably be relegated and it is unlikely any team up there would be interested. Most Championship clubs would have either of them in the squad, it’s unlikely any Championship club will get promoted with either of them as a main midfielder.
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i'd have taken £5-7m for cav in the summer as he wasn't that good last year. I still wouldn't be heartbroken if we got £7m for him as I don't think he's proven himself to be a top player yet and I think we could get someone as good (and maybe more consistent).
doesn't mean I don't like the guy or think he has potential, but he really hasn't been a patch on jota who was showing signs of being absolute top class after only a couple of games in the UK. and he has never got anywhere near the levels of costa last season.
similar story with saiss. playing better this season, more often, which is great. do I think he'll be the long term CM in our prem side? no.
I actually liked the look of oniangue, tam. think he was a bit like n'diaye but not quite as good. in the games I saw he had more impact than saiss last season, but I think this year he'd be fifth choice CM or lower...but then perhaps playing with neves, jota, costa, bonatini, doc, douglas, and boly around him he'd look much improved too, like saiss.
posted on 27/10/17
Oniangue looked absolutely hopeless in one game and touched the ball something like ten times all half which for a centre mid is unforgivable.
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