comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 seconds ago
I don't mind going on record to say that this City side is better than Arsenal's Invincibles.
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Right, so half a season is now all it takes to decide a teams greatness?
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Let's face it they're going to win the league with a record number of points. Whether they lose a game or 2 along the way is irrelevant to them being better than that invincible side. Can imagine them surpassing Arsenal in one of the other competitions as well.

07-08 had Liverpool, United, Chelsea and Arsenal players in their prime and amongst the best in the world. I'd defo say the league was much harder to win back then compared to now.

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 10 seconds ago
They are saying the football we are playing currently is, that is right though.

Whether we are a better team can’t really be judged until the end of the season.
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Saying a team would wipe the floor with another suggests to me that they think they're a better side
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Well, right now we are. We’ve done something the invincibles didn’t do, in terms of the wins in a row, and we’ve done it with a higher goal average and lower goals conceded.

Whether we maintain that (we won’t) or what we finish the season with will ultimately define how good the team is though.

comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 10 minutes ago
Whilst sterling maybe in the form of his life, I can't see him bringing that to Russia when his supply line goes from de bruyne and silva to henderson and lallana.

Its like going from two Ferraris to a couple of morris minors missing their engines.
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Lallana was one of England's best players before his injury.
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Ok so?

England are pretty chit and also doesn't do anything to take away from my point.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3315430/manchester-united-2008-vs-man-city-2017-which-side-is-better

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
Plenty of time to go yet, there are still key players that if they got injured, it could derail us.


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That's why I brought up that stat about City having numerous players scoring lots of goals. You have goals coming from all over so that even if a player gets injured you can still find ways to win. No Silva against Spurs and you won comfortably. It doesn't even matter if Aguero gets his obligatory injury lay off anymore.

comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 seconds ago
I don't mind going on record to say that this City side is better than Arsenal's Invincibles.
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Right, so half a season is now all it takes to decide a teams greatness?
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Let's face it they're going to win the league with a record number of points. Whether they lose a game or 2 along the way is irrelevant to them being better than that invincible side. Can imagine them surpassing Arsenal in one of the other competitions as well.
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I'm not suggesting the Invincibles were the best team in the PL era, I think United's treble winning side was, pretty football is all very good but you need to make it count, the fixture pile up leading to those trophies was stupid, but we negotiated them all

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 seconds ago
I don't mind going on record to say that this City side is better than Arsenal's Invincibles.
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Right, so half a season is now all it takes to decide a teams greatness?
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Let's face it they're going to win the league with a record number of points. Whether they lose a game or 2 along the way is irrelevant to them being better than that invincible side. Can imagine them surpassing Arsenal in one of the other competitions as well.
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I'm not suggesting the Invincibles were the best team in the PL era, I think United's treble winning side was, pretty football is all very good but you need to make it count, the fixture pile up leading to those trophies was stupid, but we negotiated them all
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We were better in the pl the season after the treble win, by a long way aswell.

Thing is in the premier league itself the 99 team wasn't as good as others that have come after, the team the following season was far more dominant.

Best premier league team and best team from the premier league era are different I suppose.

comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 seconds ago
I don't mind going on record to say that this City side is better than Arsenal's Invincibles.
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Right, so half a season is now all it takes to decide a teams greatness?
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Let's face it they're going to win the league with a record number of points. Whether they lose a game or 2 along the way is irrelevant to them being better than that invincible side. Can imagine them surpassing Arsenal in one of the other competitions as well.
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I'm not suggesting the Invincibles were the best team in the PL era, I think United's treble winning side was, pretty football is all very good but you need to make it count, the fixture pile up leading to those trophies was stupid, but we negotiated them all
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We were better in the pl the season after the treble win, by a long way aswell.
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I'm talking about a team in the pl era, not just in the PL, the only way that team will be bettered is if someone wins the quadruple

Exactly Darren.

Comparing different eras is always difficult. I’m not really sure why it’s needed. Achievements are the only thing that can really be compared, and even then there’s a lot of context that needs to be added.

I think it's kind of subjective, though. I thought our 08 team was better and that Barca's 10/11 team were stronger than their treble winners despite only doing the league and cl double.

the 2008 team was a team in its peak
definitely better than this city side

but city current team is frightening and still has room to grow with a number of the core players being under 24

It’s hugely subjective, that’s the point. All that can really be judged is how those teams did in their era compared to their peers at the time.

We'll find out a bit more later in the season when they progress to the latter stages of competitions and have to juggle the squad with possible injuries and suspensions, if the come through that unscathed and pick up a few pots then it'll be the time to praise them fully

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 seconds ago
I don't mind going on record to say that this City side is better than Arsenal's Invincibles.
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Right, so half a season is now all it takes to decide a teams greatness?
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Let's face it they're going to win the league with a record number of points. Whether they lose a game or 2 along the way is irrelevant to them being better than that invincible side. Can imagine them surpassing Arsenal in one of the other competitions as well.
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I'm not suggesting the Invincibles were the best team in the PL era, I think United's treble winning side was, pretty football is all very good but you need to make it count, the fixture pile up leading to those trophies was stupid, but we negotiated them all
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We were better in the pl the season after the treble win, by a long way aswell.
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I'm talking about a team in the pl era, not just in the PL, the only way that team will be bettered is if someone wins the quadruple
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If they win more then they've certainly been successful, depends on how you look at it.

As I say, our treble winners won 3 trophies but only won the league by a point, the next season we walked the league, may have picked up the fa cup if we hadent opted out to do the fact a favor.

Cl is always a bit of a lottery requiring a lot of luck, luck we certainly used up the year before.

Point is we looked better the year after doing the treble than we did when we actually did it.

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 seconds ago
I don't mind going on record to say that this City side is better than Arsenal's Invincibles.
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Right, so half a season is now all it takes to decide a teams greatness?
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Let's face it they're going to win the league with a record number of points. Whether they lose a game or 2 along the way is irrelevant to them being better than that invincible side. Can imagine them surpassing Arsenal in one of the other competitions as well.
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I'm not suggesting the Invincibles were the best team in the PL era, I think United's treble winning side was, pretty football is all very good but you need to make it count, the fixture pile up leading to those trophies was stupid, but we negotiated them all
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Yeah United's treble winning team were great for the time even if they won the league with a rather low points total and Arsenal were really the only team they had to worry about. They'd get soundly beaten by this City team but there's no shame in that when teams in general have improved. No different to Jesse Owens getting embarrassed by Usain Bolt if he were around today.

It's quite fair to argue that they're the best to watch, no United side comes close in terms of entertainment, not even sure Arsenal's early 00's side comes that close either and they were head and shoulders above anyone until this City side started to click

I hope City don't go full circle and end up losing some of their risk taking and dynamism which did happen at both Barca and Bayern at times and made the football boring although often effective

They're deserving of praise for how well they've played so far. 16 wins in a row (17 in 18 as well) is insane. When Pep's teams find their top level they really are a force. Three of his teams are in the top five for winning runs in the big European leagues. That's no fluke.

Liverpools carling cup winning team of 2012 always gets forgotten in these threads

The other thing that makes it difficult is people tend to look back and remember the good moments and forget any of the bad ones, or have a fonder memory of when they were a different age. That happens with defenders a lot on here, forgetting that defending was much easier before the changes to the offside rule came in.

comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
They're deserving of praise for how well they've played so far. 16 wins in a row (17 in 18 as well) is insane. When Pep's teams find their top level they really are a force. Three of his teams are in the top five for winning runs in the big European leagues. That's no fluke.
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Sure I read he’s got the record for consecutive wins in Spain, Germany and here now.

Yeah but Rio was much better than any city cb in history.

Point is we looked better the year after doing the treble than we did when we actually did it.
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I'm not sure we did. We were more dominant in the league, in general, but suffered a couple of crushing defeats (5-0 at Chelsea!) and stuttered, really, in Europe.

"We won the league again, this time in second gear". That was the song that season. I think we were more impressive overall the year before.

The 99 team was better than the 08 team.