If you claim that referees are costing you points then your team is probably not playing very well.
Such a laughable thing to do.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
If you claim that referees are costing you points then your team is probably not playing very well.
Such a laughable thing to do.
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Ever heard of hindsight bias? If the referees did their job we would have level points with Chelsea and no one would say we were bad.
Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)
I've heard of confirmation bias, which is what you're using.
Referees make mistakes. It's not surprising, given the level of cheating that goes on.
Blaming referees for your points total makes you sound like a child.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 20 minutes ago
Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)
I've heard of confirmation bias, which is what you're using.
Referees make mistakes. It's not surprising, given the level of cheating that goes on.
Blaming referees for your points total makes you sound like a child.
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I'm not blaming. Just stating the fact that referee mistakes cost us 9 points at least. I'm not saying it's deliberate. Also I've never stated we played good or anything closer to that.
Can you go point by point and show how am I wrong with my confirmation bias with those 9 points (I'm not including the other dubious ones):
- Stoke - penalties and offside goal not counted -3 points
- Watford - dive for the penalty and offside goal - 3points
- Man City - offisde goal -1 point
- West Brom - the Chambers penalty at the end -2 points
- or at least list your matches were we were gifted 9 points from the referees to balance it out so that the referees have no influence on our total points
And one more thing - argument ad hominem is not proving that you're right just shows that you have no real point.
Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)
"Just stating the fact that referee mistakes cost us 9 points at least."
And you're wrong to do so.
There are so many subjective decisions in every game of football that to try and to try and do what you are doing is ridiculous.
Generally if you're blaming referees for losing points then your team is at fault.
In my experience of watching United, the more dominant we are, the more fortunate we are.
Why?
Because we spend more time with the ball in key areas of the pitch.
You have no credible point - you're just another whinging football fan.
Oh, sorry. Just realised you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. Tried to make a conversation on a level that was clearly not available to you. My bad. Let's just stick to calling names.
Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)
Said without a hint of irony.
You want to have a conversation on the basis that referees have cost Arsenal points.
If you think that's a credible basis for a discussion then you're deluded.
"Just stating the fact that referee mistakes cost us 9 points at least."
And you're wrong to do so.
There are so many subjective decisions in every game of football that to try and to try and do what you are doing is ridiculous.
Generally if you're blaming referees for losing points then your team is at fault.
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Kinda agree and disagree with this point. Certainly in Arsenal's case we played very poorly and shouldn't be looking at the refs decision as a factor in the final result.
Having said that, the refs poor decision was certainly a factor in the final result, regardless of how poorly we played. It was clearly an incorrect decision and the result of which cost Arsenal 3 points.
Yes, sure i completely agree that we should never had been in the position in the first place and if we just played to our full potential then the refs decision would have made little to no difference.
Reminds me of the Bournemouth vs West Ham game. Bournemouth were clearly the better team and perhaps should have won the game had they taken all their chances. But instead it took an incorrect decision from the ref for them to claw a point.
Passing off the mistakes by the refs is no longer good enough, especially considering the frequency of sub-standard refereeing in this country.
The difference is that I have given proof for my point while you keep calling names without giving any proof. Who's the deluded one?
Serial WUManiser™© - Hate Wenger, Love Bala Town (U1410)
There are some clear decisions, late in the game, that arguably it is fair to say has cost you the win.
But to start breaking down a list of games and claiming that referees have cost you 9 points is flawed in the extreme and it only ever comes from teams that are underperforming.
It also completely ignores decisions in your favour and it is impossible for any football fan to list correct and incorrect decisions as if they are the gospel of what is right and wrong.
So many decisions are subjective that it is just not possible.
"I have given proof for my point"
comment by Serial WUManiser™© - Hate Wenger, Love Bala Town (U1410)
posted 1 minute ago
"Just stating the fact that referee mistakes cost us 9 points at least."
And you're wrong to do so.
There are so many subjective decisions in every game of football that to try and to try and do what you are doing is ridiculous.
Generally if you're blaming referees for losing points then your team is at fault.
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Kinda agree and disagree with this point. Certainly in Arsenal's case we played very poorly and shouldn't be looking at the refs decision as a factor in the final result.
Having said that, the refs poor decision was certainly a factor in the final result, regardless of how poorly we played. It was clearly an incorrect decision and the result of which cost Arsenal 3 points.
Yes, sure i completely agree that we should never had been in the position in the first place and if we just played to our full potential then the refs decision would have made little to no difference.
Reminds me of the Bournemouth vs West Ham game. Bournemouth were clearly the better team and perhaps should have won the game had they taken all their chances. But instead it took an incorrect decision from the ref for them to claw a point.
Passing off the mistakes by the refs is no longer good enough, especially considering the frequency of sub-standard refereeing in this country.
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Technically it cost you 2 points.....
Idiots like Winston are the problem with the world today. Clear statistical objective evidence staring them clear in the face and they are still unable to accept there is a problem. Putting referees on an infallible unrealistic level of brilliance where they never make mistakes any anyone who complains is looking for excuses
Even your own manager constantly calls out the bad ref'ing. Linesmen are apologizing to managers (like yesterday in the swansea match) yet you are clinging on to the idealist fallacy that the world is perfect and everything is fair.
The ultimate sheep unable to accept anything is wrong in their little bubble of ignorance
Eboue.....................................Notice you haven't commented about getting a free kick against us and scoring from it, even a blind man could have seen it was not a free kick. However one has to live with these decisions and just move on and not continue to moan about it
"Clear statistical objective evidence staring them clear in the face and they are still unable to accept there is a problem."
The delusion is strong here.
comment by GeniusGreaves Optimist Supreme (U1302)
posted 35 seconds ago
Eboue.....................................Notice you haven't commented about getting a free kick against us and scoring from it, even a blind man could have seen it was not a free kick. However one has to live with these decisions and just move on and not continue to moan about it
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Yes, funny how his list doesn't include decisions in their favour.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 18 seconds ago
Serial WUManiser™© - Hate Wenger, Love Bala Town (U1410)
There are some clear decisions, late in the game, that arguably it is fair to say has cost you the win.
But to start breaking down a list of games and claiming that referees have cost you 9 points is flawed in the extreme and it only ever comes from teams that are underperforming.
It also completely ignores decisions in your favour and it is impossible for any football fan to list correct and incorrect decisions as if they are the gospel of what is right and wrong.
So many decisions are subjective that it is just not possible.
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Yeah i get where you're coming from. My only grief is the declining level of refereeing in the country.
Yesterdays game highlighted such poor decisions from the officials, both for and against Spurs. But your point is valid. Spurs had decisions go for them, but they were clearly the better side
Serial WUManiser™© - Hate Wenger, Love Bala Town (U1410)
Is it declining?
I think people often forget that the level of cheating is at such an all time high, referees have it harder than ever.
comment by GeniusGreaves Optimist Supreme (U1302)
posted 2 minutes ago
Eboue.....................................Notice you haven't commented about getting a free kick against us and scoring from it, even a blind man could have seen it was not a free kick. However one has to live with these decisions and just move on and not continue to moan about it
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Its ok to live with it when you are a spurs fan constantly getting stuff in your favour. Yesterday case in point. offside goal and red card should have been given. Heck we've even had a referee come out and say he purposely refused to give reds he should have in the battle of the bridge. You have far more decisions in your favour than against thats why you happily just "live with it"
I think people often forget that the level of cheating is at such an all time high, referees have it harder than ever.
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Don't see what cheating has to do with the blatant offside decisions in the last few weeks.
Also not sure how cheating had anything to do with the ref mis-applying the hand ball law.
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by GeniusGreaves Optimist Supreme (U1302)
posted 2 minutes ago
Eboue.....................................Notice you haven't commented about getting a free kick against us and scoring from it, even a blind man could have seen it was not a free kick. However one has to live with these decisions and just move on and not continue to moan about it
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Its ok to live with it when you are a spurs fan constantly getting stuff in your favour. Yesterday case in point. offside goal and red card should have been given. Heck we've even had a referee come out and say he purposely refused to give reds he should have in the battle of the bridge. You have far more decisions in your favour than against thats why you happily just "live with it"
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Similarly shouldn't have been a first yellow, should have been a penalty on Son, and Llorente given an offside wrongly when clearly through on goal. Yet LOL at how upset you are.
Serial WUManiser™© - Hate Wenger, Love Bala Town (U1410)
It doesn't have anything to do with those two specific incidents.
Obviously.
Ok so you just introduced the "cheating" element into the discussion to fit your narrative. Crystal.
Part of the problem has been created by the scrutiny referees come under these days. Every decision is filmed from a variety of different angles, something the referee does not have the advantage of.
However there were a few blatant mistakes last night from Madley and his linesmen.
Firstly there is no doubt Llorente was offside, it was a basic schoolboy error by the linesman.
Whilst Sanchez was very lucky not to be sent off for a second , it was probably correct that he wasn't. The first offence was extremely innocuous and definitely not a booking, the Swansea player (Ayew?) went down far too easily after minimal contact.
I think Madley knew this and realised he had booked Sanchez when he shouldn't have, which is why it was a b*ll*cking rather than a bath!
I don't think the pitch was any help either, referees have to factor in conditions of the pitch etc when looking at challenges.
Serial WUManiser™© - Hate Wenger, Love Bala Town (U1410)
No, I'm introducing it because it is relevant to your comment regarding standards of refereeing apparently declining.
Keep up, lad.
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posted on 3/1/18
If you claim that referees are costing you points then your team is probably not playing very well.
Such a laughable thing to do.
posted on 3/1/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
If you claim that referees are costing you points then your team is probably not playing very well.
Such a laughable thing to do.
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Ever heard of hindsight bias? If the referees did their job we would have level points with Chelsea and no one would say we were bad.
posted on 3/1/18
Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)
I've heard of confirmation bias, which is what you're using.
Referees make mistakes. It's not surprising, given the level of cheating that goes on.
Blaming referees for your points total makes you sound like a child.
posted on 3/1/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 20 minutes ago
Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)
I've heard of confirmation bias, which is what you're using.
Referees make mistakes. It's not surprising, given the level of cheating that goes on.
Blaming referees for your points total makes you sound like a child.
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I'm not blaming. Just stating the fact that referee mistakes cost us 9 points at least. I'm not saying it's deliberate. Also I've never stated we played good or anything closer to that.
Can you go point by point and show how am I wrong with my confirmation bias with those 9 points (I'm not including the other dubious ones):
- Stoke - penalties and offside goal not counted -3 points
- Watford - dive for the penalty and offside goal - 3points
- Man City - offisde goal -1 point
- West Brom - the Chambers penalty at the end -2 points
- or at least list your matches were we were gifted 9 points from the referees to balance it out so that the referees have no influence on our total points
And one more thing - argument ad hominem is not proving that you're right just shows that you have no real point.
posted on 3/1/18
Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)
"Just stating the fact that referee mistakes cost us 9 points at least."
And you're wrong to do so.
There are so many subjective decisions in every game of football that to try and to try and do what you are doing is ridiculous.
Generally if you're blaming referees for losing points then your team is at fault.
In my experience of watching United, the more dominant we are, the more fortunate we are.
Why?
Because we spend more time with the ball in key areas of the pitch.
You have no credible point - you're just another whinging football fan.
posted on 3/1/18
Oh, sorry. Just realised you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. Tried to make a conversation on a level that was clearly not available to you. My bad. Let's just stick to calling names.
posted on 3/1/18
Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)
Said without a hint of irony.
You want to have a conversation on the basis that referees have cost Arsenal points.
If you think that's a credible basis for a discussion then you're deluded.
posted on 3/1/18
"Just stating the fact that referee mistakes cost us 9 points at least."
And you're wrong to do so.
There are so many subjective decisions in every game of football that to try and to try and do what you are doing is ridiculous.
Generally if you're blaming referees for losing points then your team is at fault.
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Kinda agree and disagree with this point. Certainly in Arsenal's case we played very poorly and shouldn't be looking at the refs decision as a factor in the final result.
Having said that, the refs poor decision was certainly a factor in the final result, regardless of how poorly we played. It was clearly an incorrect decision and the result of which cost Arsenal 3 points.
Yes, sure i completely agree that we should never had been in the position in the first place and if we just played to our full potential then the refs decision would have made little to no difference.
Reminds me of the Bournemouth vs West Ham game. Bournemouth were clearly the better team and perhaps should have won the game had they taken all their chances. But instead it took an incorrect decision from the ref for them to claw a point.
Passing off the mistakes by the refs is no longer good enough, especially considering the frequency of sub-standard refereeing in this country.
posted on 3/1/18
The difference is that I have given proof for my point while you keep calling names without giving any proof. Who's the deluded one?
posted on 3/1/18
Serial WUManiser™© - Hate Wenger, Love Bala Town (U1410)
There are some clear decisions, late in the game, that arguably it is fair to say has cost you the win.
But to start breaking down a list of games and claiming that referees have cost you 9 points is flawed in the extreme and it only ever comes from teams that are underperforming.
It also completely ignores decisions in your favour and it is impossible for any football fan to list correct and incorrect decisions as if they are the gospel of what is right and wrong.
So many decisions are subjective that it is just not possible.
posted on 3/1/18
"I have given proof for my point"
posted on 3/1/18
comment by Serial WUManiser™© - Hate Wenger, Love Bala Town (U1410)
posted 1 minute ago
"Just stating the fact that referee mistakes cost us 9 points at least."
And you're wrong to do so.
There are so many subjective decisions in every game of football that to try and to try and do what you are doing is ridiculous.
Generally if you're blaming referees for losing points then your team is at fault.
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Kinda agree and disagree with this point. Certainly in Arsenal's case we played very poorly and shouldn't be looking at the refs decision as a factor in the final result.
Having said that, the refs poor decision was certainly a factor in the final result, regardless of how poorly we played. It was clearly an incorrect decision and the result of which cost Arsenal 3 points.
Yes, sure i completely agree that we should never had been in the position in the first place and if we just played to our full potential then the refs decision would have made little to no difference.
Reminds me of the Bournemouth vs West Ham game. Bournemouth were clearly the better team and perhaps should have won the game had they taken all their chances. But instead it took an incorrect decision from the ref for them to claw a point.
Passing off the mistakes by the refs is no longer good enough, especially considering the frequency of sub-standard refereeing in this country.
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Technically it cost you 2 points.....
posted on 3/1/18
Idiots like Winston are the problem with the world today. Clear statistical objective evidence staring them clear in the face and they are still unable to accept there is a problem. Putting referees on an infallible unrealistic level of brilliance where they never make mistakes any anyone who complains is looking for excuses
Even your own manager constantly calls out the bad ref'ing. Linesmen are apologizing to managers (like yesterday in the swansea match) yet you are clinging on to the idealist fallacy that the world is perfect and everything is fair.
The ultimate sheep unable to accept anything is wrong in their little bubble of ignorance
posted on 3/1/18
Eboue.....................................Notice you haven't commented about getting a free kick against us and scoring from it, even a blind man could have seen it was not a free kick. However one has to live with these decisions and just move on and not continue to moan about it
posted on 3/1/18
"Clear statistical objective evidence staring them clear in the face and they are still unable to accept there is a problem."
The delusion is strong here.
posted on 3/1/18
comment by GeniusGreaves Optimist Supreme (U1302)
posted 35 seconds ago
Eboue.....................................Notice you haven't commented about getting a free kick against us and scoring from it, even a blind man could have seen it was not a free kick. However one has to live with these decisions and just move on and not continue to moan about it
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Yes, funny how his list doesn't include decisions in their favour.
posted on 3/1/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 18 seconds ago
Serial WUManiser™© - Hate Wenger, Love Bala Town (U1410)
There are some clear decisions, late in the game, that arguably it is fair to say has cost you the win.
But to start breaking down a list of games and claiming that referees have cost you 9 points is flawed in the extreme and it only ever comes from teams that are underperforming.
It also completely ignores decisions in your favour and it is impossible for any football fan to list correct and incorrect decisions as if they are the gospel of what is right and wrong.
So many decisions are subjective that it is just not possible.
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Yeah i get where you're coming from. My only grief is the declining level of refereeing in the country.
Yesterdays game highlighted such poor decisions from the officials, both for and against Spurs. But your point is valid. Spurs had decisions go for them, but they were clearly the better side
posted on 3/1/18
Serial WUManiser™© - Hate Wenger, Love Bala Town (U1410)
Is it declining?
I think people often forget that the level of cheating is at such an all time high, referees have it harder than ever.
posted on 3/1/18
comment by GeniusGreaves Optimist Supreme (U1302)
posted 2 minutes ago
Eboue.....................................Notice you haven't commented about getting a free kick against us and scoring from it, even a blind man could have seen it was not a free kick. However one has to live with these decisions and just move on and not continue to moan about it
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Its ok to live with it when you are a spurs fan constantly getting stuff in your favour. Yesterday case in point. offside goal and red card should have been given. Heck we've even had a referee come out and say he purposely refused to give reds he should have in the battle of the bridge. You have far more decisions in your favour than against thats why you happily just "live with it"
posted on 3/1/18
I think people often forget that the level of cheating is at such an all time high, referees have it harder than ever.
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Don't see what cheating has to do with the blatant offside decisions in the last few weeks.
Also not sure how cheating had anything to do with the ref mis-applying the hand ball law.
posted on 3/1/18
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by GeniusGreaves Optimist Supreme (U1302)
posted 2 minutes ago
Eboue.....................................Notice you haven't commented about getting a free kick against us and scoring from it, even a blind man could have seen it was not a free kick. However one has to live with these decisions and just move on and not continue to moan about it
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Its ok to live with it when you are a spurs fan constantly getting stuff in your favour. Yesterday case in point. offside goal and red card should have been given. Heck we've even had a referee come out and say he purposely refused to give reds he should have in the battle of the bridge. You have far more decisions in your favour than against thats why you happily just "live with it"
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Similarly shouldn't have been a first yellow, should have been a penalty on Son, and Llorente given an offside wrongly when clearly through on goal. Yet LOL at how upset you are.
posted on 3/1/18
Serial WUManiser™© - Hate Wenger, Love Bala Town (U1410)
It doesn't have anything to do with those two specific incidents.
Obviously.
posted on 3/1/18
Ok so you just introduced the "cheating" element into the discussion to fit your narrative. Crystal.
posted on 3/1/18
Part of the problem has been created by the scrutiny referees come under these days. Every decision is filmed from a variety of different angles, something the referee does not have the advantage of.
However there were a few blatant mistakes last night from Madley and his linesmen.
Firstly there is no doubt Llorente was offside, it was a basic schoolboy error by the linesman.
Whilst Sanchez was very lucky not to be sent off for a second , it was probably correct that he wasn't. The first offence was extremely innocuous and definitely not a booking, the Swansea player (Ayew?) went down far too easily after minimal contact.
I think Madley knew this and realised he had booked Sanchez when he shouldn't have, which is why it was a b*ll*cking rather than a bath!
I don't think the pitch was any help either, referees have to factor in conditions of the pitch etc when looking at challenges.
posted on 3/1/18
Serial WUManiser™© - Hate Wenger, Love Bala Town (U1410)
No, I'm introducing it because it is relevant to your comment regarding standards of refereeing apparently declining.
Keep up, lad.
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