Gunnerthru (U6675)

Well, that's just an incorrect statement.

Minor decisions can and do influence results.

Ok. Now in that game list I gave you can find a mixed bag. There are 3 offside goals involved - no subjectivity there it is an offside or not - two against us scored and one for us not given. Plus 4 penalties involved - one dive (West Brom)- subjective I gree. Also 2 penalties for us not given and one exactly the same given against us - so again no subjectivity there.

So all those points you get 1 subjective decision:
- the dive - we had numerous similar penalties like that not given for us at least 5 that seasion
And the others are hardly subjective
- the 3 offsides - it's an offside or not - correct or incorrect decision
- the handball penalty - every pundit out there plus WBA's own manager saying it's never a pen - not subjective
- or if it's subjective we should have had two penalties like that against Stoke, one against Newcastle and one against West Ham - Giroud's bicycle kick

There you go.

Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)

You can't just say that two penalty decisions are the same. That is subjective!

You cannot list every decision as a matter of fact about whether it was correct or not. It's a matter of opinion.

Which is why it's impossible to list out whether 'incorrect' decisions have balanced for or against your team in any given season.

In those penalties there were 3 on target and one where the ball was flying for at least 3-4 seconds before hitting the hand. Compare that to the half hearted attempt from 1 yard to center the ball to no one.

*3 shots on target

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 44 seconds ago
Gunnerthru (U6675)

Well, that's just an incorrect statement.

Minor decisions can and do influence results.
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We refering to the major decisions against Arsenal this season. They are not subjective. They are bad calls by the officials and in the end it will cost us. What is so difficult to understand for you?

"one where the ball was flying for at least 3-4 seconds before hitting the hand"

So?

Gunnerthru (U6675)

Yes, and one person is using it to claim that Arsenal should be a certain amount of points better off, which is ridiculous.

What don't you understand?

Not a penalty: http://arsenalist.com/f/2017-18/stoke-vs-arsenal/handball-penalty-shout-by-arsenal.html
Not a penalty: http://arsenalist.com/f/2017-18/stoke-vs-arsenal/arsenal-chance-penalty-shout.html
Not a penalty: http://arsenalist.com/f/2017-18/arsenal-vs-newcastle/arsenal-penalty-shout.html
Not a penalty: http://arsenalist.com/f/2017-18/whu-vs-arsenal/arsenal-penalty-shout-for-handball-not-given.html

A penalty: http://arsenalist.com/f/2017-18/wba-vs-arsenal/ridiculous-penalty-decision-against-chambers.html

Tell me honestly and subjectively to you which one of those is penalty and which not.

Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)

Why?

What will that achieve?

A little hint. The one where Arsenal is attacking are not.

You were saying it's subjective. I'm saying if the WBA's a penalty than all those 4 should be also.

Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)

So if we both agree, it's no longer subjective?

What about the hundreds of other decisions that are subjective?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Gunnerthru (U6675)

Yes, and one person is using it to claim that Arsenal should be a certain amount of points better off, which is ridiculous.

What don't you understand?
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It's not ridiculous. Did you even watch the amount of blantant refs failure or just persist with your boring view. We dont talk about little incidences that happened in every game. But keep on going with your ignorance.

Please watch the clips first and still say that Arsenal were not affected by those decisions. That's the whole point

Gunnerthru (U6675)

It is ridiculous - for all the reasons I have outlined.

Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)

It will still be my opinion, not fact.

It will also exclude the hundreds of other subjective decisions made throughout these games, which will provoke different opinions from people.

What are you not understanding about this?

I understand. What's you opinion about those clip?

*clips

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 54 seconds ago
Gunnerthru (U6675)

It is ridiculous - for all the reasons I have outlined.
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okay

Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)

My opinion about those clips bears no relevance to the point I am making.

Should those be called as penalties according to your subjective view?

Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)

I haven't watched them because it's irrelevant to my point.

Of course there will be decisions that, in my view, have incorrectly been made against Arsenal.

Thank you. In my view too. See - it was not that crazy to say it.

Mr. Eboue Emmanuel (U12374)

I've never said otherwise though, and it has nothing to do with my point.