Yup, same reasons I said Bud. Spence is a damn good fighter who holds his own against some of the best welterweights in history. And yet he got absolutely taken apart by Crawford. If that doesn't make people realise how good Crawford is then very little else will.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 day, 17 hours ago
If Fury and AJ never fight it would make a mockery of the sport and we'd have endless tedious debates in future years about who would have won if they'd actually fought.
They need to fight each other regardless of whether either wins their upcoming fights against Usyk and Hrgovic. Belts should have no bearing on it either, we just need that fight.
AJ said he was still willing to fight Wilder after his loss to Parker so there's no good reason we don't get AJ vs Fury.
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Didnt Wilder just sign with Matchroom/ DAZN ? if so that fight defo happens and might actually happen next
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 day, 17 hours ago
If Fury and AJ never fight it would make a mockery of the sport and we'd have endless tedious debates in future years about who would have won if they'd actually fought.
They need to fight each other regardless of whether either wins their upcoming fights against Usyk and Hrgovic. Belts should have no bearing on it either, we just need that fight.
AJ said he was still willing to fight Wilder after his loss to Parker so there's no good reason we don't get AJ vs Fury.
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Didnt Wilder just sign with Matchroom/ DAZN ? if so that fight defo happens and might actually happen next
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I'd rather see AJ fight Hrgovic next just cause I think it's a better test. If Wilder had have knocked out Parker it would have set up the AJ vs Wilder fight perfectly, with their respective performances. But he lost and looked woeful. I think AJ would make light work of him and knock him out. I always thought AJ had a good chance in the fight and now I think it's conclusive.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 day, 17 hours ago
If Fury and AJ never fight it would make a mockery of the sport and we'd have endless tedious debates in future years about who would have won if they'd actually fought.
They need to fight each other regardless of whether either wins their upcoming fights against Usyk and Hrgovic. Belts should have no bearing on it either, we just need that fight.
AJ said he was still willing to fight Wilder after his loss to Parker so there's no good reason we don't get AJ vs Fury.
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Didnt Wilder just sign with Matchroom/ DAZN ? if so that fight defo happens and might actually happen next
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I'd rather see AJ fight Hrgovic next just cause I think it's a better test. If Wilder had have knocked out Parker it would have set up the AJ vs Wilder fight perfectly, with their respective performances. But he lost and looked woeful. I think AJ would make light work of him and knock him out. I always thought AJ had a good chance in the fight and now I think it's conclusive.
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yeah but both want paid, and both fighting each other means that... couple with Wilder getting beat, AJ will have the edge when it comes to demanding splits.
AJ and Hearn will see this is the best time to face Wilder in both a fighting sense and a financial one.
they will want to milk that Wilder fight and I think will want to get it arranged soon in case Wilder loses and if he loses two on the spin then the fight doesnt take place.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 day, 17 hours ago
If Fury and AJ never fight it would make a mockery of the sport and we'd have endless tedious debates in future years about who would have won if they'd actually fought.
They need to fight each other regardless of whether either wins their upcoming fights against Usyk and Hrgovic. Belts should have no bearing on it either, we just need that fight.
AJ said he was still willing to fight Wilder after his loss to Parker so there's no good reason we don't get AJ vs Fury.
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Didnt Wilder just sign with Matchroom/ DAZN ? if so that fight defo happens and might actually happen next
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I'd rather see AJ fight Hrgovic next just cause I think it's a better test. If Wilder had have knocked out Parker it would have set up the AJ vs Wilder fight perfectly, with their respective performances. But he lost and looked woeful. I think AJ would make light work of him and knock him out. I always thought AJ had a good chance in the fight and now I think it's conclusive.
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yeah but both want paid, and both fighting each other means that... couple with Wilder getting beat, AJ will have the edge when it comes to demanding splits.
AJ and Hearn will see this is the best time to face Wilder in both a fighting sense and a financial one.
they will want to milk that Wilder fight and I think will want to get it arranged soon in case Wilder loses and if he loses two on the spin then the fight doesnt take place.
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AJ wants to become a 3 time champion more than the money that a fight with no belts would give him I reckon. In his mind he can become 3 time world champion and still have some big fights so I'm not sure money is really the issue.
Wilder would need to come back with a statement victory against someone of note first otherwise there's no reason for him to face AJ and there wouldn't be much public interest in it now. Wilder just got annihilated by Parker and at 38 it looks over for him.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
Wilder would need to come back with a statement victory against someone of note first otherwise there's no reason for him to face AJ and there wouldn't be much public interest in it now. Wilder just got annihilated by Parker and at 38 it looks over for him.
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Wilder is looking for paydays now, not world titles or acclaim. That much was very obvious after his last post match interview.
I think he will want as many guaranteed big pay days as he can get... the biggest being AJ. he wont want to lose that opportunity and if he loses another fight then thats what happens. Wilder will fight AJ next or a bum to knockout either or.
I believe that AJ wants the money, he will want Wilder on his CV. If any of the HW were offered a fight for free and a title or a massive fee and no title I think we know which one the likes of AJ would go for !
Wilder v AJ assuming Wilder doesnt pick up any losses will always have the publics interest. Its still the biggest fight in the HW division IMO.
As someone who craved the Wilder AJ fight for years it's moment has now gone. Wilder looked hopeless against Parker and got completely schooled. It's a foregone conclusion that this version of AJ annihilates this totally washed up version of Wilder.
If Wilder wants to carry on then he needs to prove that the Parker fight was just a fluke and that he still has something to offer by beating a good opponent, or rematching Parker. Otherwise AJ is on a totally different trajectory and looking to win back a title or ideally fight Fury even if no titles are on the line.
Wilder literally said post fight its not really about the challenge anymore, its about securing his financial future.
AJ will want the Wilder fight whilst its still available and at 28 Wilder aint gonna improve he is gonna decline.
His problem is that he is so poor technically that as he gets older he cant use what he has learned to get them through fights.
I think he should cash out on that AJ fight whilst he can and I think he will.
Will fight AJ next or the fight after IMO. it will be AJ or a bum IMO.
I dont think Wilder has any interest fighting a bum for low money when he can just jump straight to AJ and say the Parker fight was a fluke, if he takes another fight and we see how washed up he is then that hurts his final payday against AJ I feel.
Wilder can want whatever he likes but the public interest in an AJ Wilder fight died a death at the weekend. It's no longer a sellable fight and the public interest for AJ has now moved to Hrgovic and getting a title back.
Wilder should retire, it's very clearly over for him.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 minutes ago
Wilder can want whatever he likes but the public interest in an AJ Wilder fight died a death at the weekend. It's no longer a sellable fight and the public interest for AJ has now moved to Hrgovic and getting a title back.
Wilder should retire, it's very clearly over for him.
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Na i dont think it did..... like I said Wilder can use the one off excuse, he can only use that once though.
I still think its the biggest selling fight in the HW division outwith Fury and AJ....
Wilder shouldnt retire there is still multi millions for him to make and AJ is by a country mile his biggest payday available.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that then. I don't think Wilder is in a position to dictate anything at this point. He's lost three of his last four fights, really he's lost four of his last five fights if you consider that Fury easily won their first fight even though he didn't get the decision.
The Wilder myth bubble has been burst. He was never a technically good boxer and his performance against Parker was diabolical. His stock has dropped to an all time low and I would strongly suggest he retires from the sport.
If AJ wants to build on his legacy he should just fight Usyk a third time or fight Fury. Wilder got exposed as a fraud and is old, AJ doesn't really need him on his record anymore. It wouldn't add as much to his CV as beating either of the other 2 would and if he beat Fury, people would conclude he'd have beaten Wilder anyway, pretty much. Not that that's how it works but it would go a long way to showing us who would come out on top.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 hour ago
We'll have to agree to disagree on that then. I don't think Wilder is in a position to dictate anything at this point. He's lost three of his last four fights, really he's lost four of his last five fights if you consider that Fury easily won their first fight even though he didn't get the decision.
The Wilder myth bubble has been burst. He was never a technically good boxer and his performance against Parker was diabolical. His stock has dropped to an all time low and I would strongly suggest he retires from the sport.
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its not about dictating anything its about two fighters maximising what they can earn from each other.
AJ's two biggest earning fights are Fury and Wilder.... If Wilder loses his next fight that fight with AJ is dead.
both fighters will be desperate for that money. Its Wilders biggest payday and AJ's 2nd biggest.
When they agree to fight Wilder gets at least 20m (more likely more) and AJ will get about 60m. No one outside Fury and even then AJ prob gets more for the fight against Wilder than Fury due to splits.
AJ will see this as the perfect time to dictate a majority split IMO.
Fury fight has a very good chance of not happening due to neither giving the other the split they want, its not about legacy's its about money ... if it wasnt about money the fights would have happened already.
Money and politics .... the two biggest problems in boxing for getting fights arranged.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 53 minutes ago
If AJ wants to build on his legacy he should just fight Usyk a third time or fight Fury. Wilder got exposed as a fraud and is old, AJ doesn't really need him on his record anymore. It wouldn't add as much to his CV as beating either of the other 2 would and if he beat Fury, people would conclude he'd have beaten Wilder anyway, pretty much. Not that that's how it works but it would go a long way to showing us who would come out on top.
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Agree with most of that except the last bit. We'll never know what would have happened between AJ and Wilder in their primes. Sadly that fight didn't get made and everyone lost out as a result including the fighters who would have made more money than any other fight they'd been in.
Prime AJ is undoubtedly the better boxer but prime Wilder only had to tag you once with that right and it's all over. AJ is pretty static with his movement so you'd have to say there's a decent chance Wilder would have connected at least once in 12 rounds with something significant.
If they fought now it would give us next to no answers as to how that fight would have turned out because Wilder is clearly finished and his timing was so off against Parker it beggared belief.
Boxing needs to let go with the fascinating of a 0 L. None of the top 5 HWs care about legacy and they are all wealthy. The winner of Joshua v Wilder had it just happened would be set up for the winner of Fury v Usyk.
Wilder isn't even a big draw in the US. A fight with AJ does nothing for AJ now
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 16 minutes ago
Wilder isn't even a big draw in the US. A fight with AJ does nothing for AJ now
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outwith Fury its his biggest payday...... who generates more?
it will be held in Saudi, they wont be paid in order to make a profit from PPV sales.
from the fights that can be made its easily he biggest earner for both guys.
Since Fury and Usyk are tied up and will no doubt fight again following rematch clause then they are both tied up for much of 2024. the only fight that makes any sense outwith Wilder for AJ is Hrgovic, and that doesnt sell anywhere near as much as Wilder.
the two biggest fights in boxing just now are AJ v Fury and AJ v Wilder IMO.
the only other one that could be considered is AJ v Ngannou
AJ could fight anyone and make a decent pay day. If Wilder ko'd Joshua then I doubt he'd even fight Fury.
AJ is the draw not Wilder. I'd rather see Wilder v Ruiz
AJ v Ngannou makes more sense and doesn't affect fighting Fury
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 53 minutes ago
If AJ wants to build on his legacy he should just fight Usyk a third time or fight Fury. Wilder got exposed as a fraud and is old, AJ doesn't really need him on his record anymore. It wouldn't add as much to his CV as beating either of the other 2 would and if he beat Fury, people would conclude he'd have beaten Wilder anyway, pretty much. Not that that's how it works but it would go a long way to showing us who would come out on top.
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Agree with most of that except the last bit. We'll never know what would have happened between AJ and Wilder in their primes. Sadly that fight didn't get made and everyone lost out as a result including the fighters who would have made more money than any other fight they'd been in.
Prime AJ is undoubtedly the better boxer but prime Wilder only had to tag you once with that right and it's all over. AJ is pretty static with his movement so you'd have to say there's a decent chance Wilder would have connected at least once in 12 rounds with something significant.
If they fought now it would give us next to no answers as to how that fight would have turned out because Wilder is clearly finished and his timing was so off against Parker it beggared belief.
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Well we're talking about AJ and Wilder getting it on now, when at least one, if not arguably both, are past their peaks so what we theorise about them fighting in their primes doesn't matter anymore. I think if AJ were to fight Fury now and beat him, to most people it would be as close to confirming that AJ beats Wilder currently as actually getting in the ring with him and doing it for real. There's no guarantee but the perception among most boxing fans would be that.
To me it would be like Lennox not fighting Bowe. Lennox wiped out Golota who Bowe struggled with both times. It's pretty well recognised that Lewis is much better than Bowe without having ever fought him.
The truth is Wilder simply has been well overrated. Easy to look good when you've padded your record beating bums and old men. I mean Audley Harrison was about his 30th win ffs. If he had been given the same path as Joshua he'd probably have lost his 20th fight to Wlad and never gone down as a household name. I would have backed AJ to beat Wilder in their primes most times out of 10.
AJ getting the ibf belt does much more for him in the long run
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 2 minutes ago
AJ v Ngannou makes more sense and doesn't affect fighting Fury
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Ngannou should prove that Fury fight wasn't a fluke first before he gets to fight someone like AJ. I'd rather see AJ fight credible opponents first. Maybe by the end of his career he can fight Ngannou.
In mma a fighter trying to get a title wouldn't fight a guy who just lost and has lost twice to the champ. AJ should get the ibf and if he wants to fight Ngannou. Then fight Fury regardless of the outcome of him and Usyk
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 2 minutes ago
AJ could fight anyone and make a decent pay day. If Wilder ko'd Joshua then I doubt he'd even fight Fury.
AJ is the draw not Wilder. I'd rather see Wilder v Ruiz
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I think he gets about 60m for Wilder.... huge name with a majority split... no other fighter offers him that in the world IMO.
Wilder is the next biggest name in the division outwith Fury and AJ. AJ prob earns more for fighting Wilder right now than Fury due to splits.
if Fury and AJ go 50/50 they prob get about 40m each
If AJ fights Wilder he gets a 70/30 maybe even 80/20 split most likely at least which I think will be more.
Give Wilder 20m for AJ fight and let AJ pocket the rest
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posted on 28/12/23
Yup, same reasons I said Bud. Spence is a damn good fighter who holds his own against some of the best welterweights in history. And yet he got absolutely taken apart by Crawford. If that doesn't make people realise how good Crawford is then very little else will.
posted on 28/12/23
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 day, 17 hours ago
If Fury and AJ never fight it would make a mockery of the sport and we'd have endless tedious debates in future years about who would have won if they'd actually fought.
They need to fight each other regardless of whether either wins their upcoming fights against Usyk and Hrgovic. Belts should have no bearing on it either, we just need that fight.
AJ said he was still willing to fight Wilder after his loss to Parker so there's no good reason we don't get AJ vs Fury.
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Didnt Wilder just sign with Matchroom/ DAZN ? if so that fight defo happens and might actually happen next
posted on 28/12/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 day, 17 hours ago
If Fury and AJ never fight it would make a mockery of the sport and we'd have endless tedious debates in future years about who would have won if they'd actually fought.
They need to fight each other regardless of whether either wins their upcoming fights against Usyk and Hrgovic. Belts should have no bearing on it either, we just need that fight.
AJ said he was still willing to fight Wilder after his loss to Parker so there's no good reason we don't get AJ vs Fury.
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Didnt Wilder just sign with Matchroom/ DAZN ? if so that fight defo happens and might actually happen next
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I'd rather see AJ fight Hrgovic next just cause I think it's a better test. If Wilder had have knocked out Parker it would have set up the AJ vs Wilder fight perfectly, with their respective performances. But he lost and looked woeful. I think AJ would make light work of him and knock him out. I always thought AJ had a good chance in the fight and now I think it's conclusive.
posted on 28/12/23
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 day, 17 hours ago
If Fury and AJ never fight it would make a mockery of the sport and we'd have endless tedious debates in future years about who would have won if they'd actually fought.
They need to fight each other regardless of whether either wins their upcoming fights against Usyk and Hrgovic. Belts should have no bearing on it either, we just need that fight.
AJ said he was still willing to fight Wilder after his loss to Parker so there's no good reason we don't get AJ vs Fury.
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Didnt Wilder just sign with Matchroom/ DAZN ? if so that fight defo happens and might actually happen next
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I'd rather see AJ fight Hrgovic next just cause I think it's a better test. If Wilder had have knocked out Parker it would have set up the AJ vs Wilder fight perfectly, with their respective performances. But he lost and looked woeful. I think AJ would make light work of him and knock him out. I always thought AJ had a good chance in the fight and now I think it's conclusive.
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yeah but both want paid, and both fighting each other means that... couple with Wilder getting beat, AJ will have the edge when it comes to demanding splits.
AJ and Hearn will see this is the best time to face Wilder in both a fighting sense and a financial one.
they will want to milk that Wilder fight and I think will want to get it arranged soon in case Wilder loses and if he loses two on the spin then the fight doesnt take place.
posted on 28/12/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 day, 17 hours ago
If Fury and AJ never fight it would make a mockery of the sport and we'd have endless tedious debates in future years about who would have won if they'd actually fought.
They need to fight each other regardless of whether either wins their upcoming fights against Usyk and Hrgovic. Belts should have no bearing on it either, we just need that fight.
AJ said he was still willing to fight Wilder after his loss to Parker so there's no good reason we don't get AJ vs Fury.
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Didnt Wilder just sign with Matchroom/ DAZN ? if so that fight defo happens and might actually happen next
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I'd rather see AJ fight Hrgovic next just cause I think it's a better test. If Wilder had have knocked out Parker it would have set up the AJ vs Wilder fight perfectly, with their respective performances. But he lost and looked woeful. I think AJ would make light work of him and knock him out. I always thought AJ had a good chance in the fight and now I think it's conclusive.
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yeah but both want paid, and both fighting each other means that... couple with Wilder getting beat, AJ will have the edge when it comes to demanding splits.
AJ and Hearn will see this is the best time to face Wilder in both a fighting sense and a financial one.
they will want to milk that Wilder fight and I think will want to get it arranged soon in case Wilder loses and if he loses two on the spin then the fight doesnt take place.
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AJ wants to become a 3 time champion more than the money that a fight with no belts would give him I reckon. In his mind he can become 3 time world champion and still have some big fights so I'm not sure money is really the issue.
posted on 28/12/23
Wilder would need to come back with a statement victory against someone of note first otherwise there's no reason for him to face AJ and there wouldn't be much public interest in it now. Wilder just got annihilated by Parker and at 38 it looks over for him.
posted on 28/12/23
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
Wilder would need to come back with a statement victory against someone of note first otherwise there's no reason for him to face AJ and there wouldn't be much public interest in it now. Wilder just got annihilated by Parker and at 38 it looks over for him.
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Wilder is looking for paydays now, not world titles or acclaim. That much was very obvious after his last post match interview.
I think he will want as many guaranteed big pay days as he can get... the biggest being AJ. he wont want to lose that opportunity and if he loses another fight then thats what happens. Wilder will fight AJ next or a bum to knockout either or.
I believe that AJ wants the money, he will want Wilder on his CV. If any of the HW were offered a fight for free and a title or a massive fee and no title I think we know which one the likes of AJ would go for !
Wilder v AJ assuming Wilder doesnt pick up any losses will always have the publics interest. Its still the biggest fight in the HW division IMO.
posted on 28/12/23
As someone who craved the Wilder AJ fight for years it's moment has now gone. Wilder looked hopeless against Parker and got completely schooled. It's a foregone conclusion that this version of AJ annihilates this totally washed up version of Wilder.
If Wilder wants to carry on then he needs to prove that the Parker fight was just a fluke and that he still has something to offer by beating a good opponent, or rematching Parker. Otherwise AJ is on a totally different trajectory and looking to win back a title or ideally fight Fury even if no titles are on the line.
posted on 28/12/23
Wilder literally said post fight its not really about the challenge anymore, its about securing his financial future.
AJ will want the Wilder fight whilst its still available and at 28 Wilder aint gonna improve he is gonna decline.
His problem is that he is so poor technically that as he gets older he cant use what he has learned to get them through fights.
I think he should cash out on that AJ fight whilst he can and I think he will.
Will fight AJ next or the fight after IMO. it will be AJ or a bum IMO.
I dont think Wilder has any interest fighting a bum for low money when he can just jump straight to AJ and say the Parker fight was a fluke, if he takes another fight and we see how washed up he is then that hurts his final payday against AJ I feel.
posted on 28/12/23
Wilder can want whatever he likes but the public interest in an AJ Wilder fight died a death at the weekend. It's no longer a sellable fight and the public interest for AJ has now moved to Hrgovic and getting a title back.
Wilder should retire, it's very clearly over for him.
posted on 28/12/23
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 minutes ago
Wilder can want whatever he likes but the public interest in an AJ Wilder fight died a death at the weekend. It's no longer a sellable fight and the public interest for AJ has now moved to Hrgovic and getting a title back.
Wilder should retire, it's very clearly over for him.
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Na i dont think it did..... like I said Wilder can use the one off excuse, he can only use that once though.
I still think its the biggest selling fight in the HW division outwith Fury and AJ....
Wilder shouldnt retire there is still multi millions for him to make and AJ is by a country mile his biggest payday available.
posted on 28/12/23
We'll have to agree to disagree on that then. I don't think Wilder is in a position to dictate anything at this point. He's lost three of his last four fights, really he's lost four of his last five fights if you consider that Fury easily won their first fight even though he didn't get the decision.
The Wilder myth bubble has been burst. He was never a technically good boxer and his performance against Parker was diabolical. His stock has dropped to an all time low and I would strongly suggest he retires from the sport.
posted on 28/12/23
If AJ wants to build on his legacy he should just fight Usyk a third time or fight Fury. Wilder got exposed as a fraud and is old, AJ doesn't really need him on his record anymore. It wouldn't add as much to his CV as beating either of the other 2 would and if he beat Fury, people would conclude he'd have beaten Wilder anyway, pretty much. Not that that's how it works but it would go a long way to showing us who would come out on top.
posted on 28/12/23
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 hour ago
We'll have to agree to disagree on that then. I don't think Wilder is in a position to dictate anything at this point. He's lost three of his last four fights, really he's lost four of his last five fights if you consider that Fury easily won their first fight even though he didn't get the decision.
The Wilder myth bubble has been burst. He was never a technically good boxer and his performance against Parker was diabolical. His stock has dropped to an all time low and I would strongly suggest he retires from the sport.
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its not about dictating anything its about two fighters maximising what they can earn from each other.
AJ's two biggest earning fights are Fury and Wilder.... If Wilder loses his next fight that fight with AJ is dead.
both fighters will be desperate for that money. Its Wilders biggest payday and AJ's 2nd biggest.
When they agree to fight Wilder gets at least 20m (more likely more) and AJ will get about 60m. No one outside Fury and even then AJ prob gets more for the fight against Wilder than Fury due to splits.
AJ will see this as the perfect time to dictate a majority split IMO.
Fury fight has a very good chance of not happening due to neither giving the other the split they want, its not about legacy's its about money ... if it wasnt about money the fights would have happened already.
Money and politics .... the two biggest problems in boxing for getting fights arranged.
posted on 28/12/23
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 53 minutes ago
If AJ wants to build on his legacy he should just fight Usyk a third time or fight Fury. Wilder got exposed as a fraud and is old, AJ doesn't really need him on his record anymore. It wouldn't add as much to his CV as beating either of the other 2 would and if he beat Fury, people would conclude he'd have beaten Wilder anyway, pretty much. Not that that's how it works but it would go a long way to showing us who would come out on top.
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Agree with most of that except the last bit. We'll never know what would have happened between AJ and Wilder in their primes. Sadly that fight didn't get made and everyone lost out as a result including the fighters who would have made more money than any other fight they'd been in.
Prime AJ is undoubtedly the better boxer but prime Wilder only had to tag you once with that right and it's all over. AJ is pretty static with his movement so you'd have to say there's a decent chance Wilder would have connected at least once in 12 rounds with something significant.
If they fought now it would give us next to no answers as to how that fight would have turned out because Wilder is clearly finished and his timing was so off against Parker it beggared belief.
posted on 28/12/23
Boxing needs to let go with the fascinating of a 0 L. None of the top 5 HWs care about legacy and they are all wealthy. The winner of Joshua v Wilder had it just happened would be set up for the winner of Fury v Usyk.
posted on 28/12/23
Wilder isn't even a big draw in the US. A fight with AJ does nothing for AJ now
posted on 28/12/23
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 16 minutes ago
Wilder isn't even a big draw in the US. A fight with AJ does nothing for AJ now
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outwith Fury its his biggest payday...... who generates more?
it will be held in Saudi, they wont be paid in order to make a profit from PPV sales.
from the fights that can be made its easily he biggest earner for both guys.
Since Fury and Usyk are tied up and will no doubt fight again following rematch clause then they are both tied up for much of 2024. the only fight that makes any sense outwith Wilder for AJ is Hrgovic, and that doesnt sell anywhere near as much as Wilder.
the two biggest fights in boxing just now are AJ v Fury and AJ v Wilder IMO.
the only other one that could be considered is AJ v Ngannou
posted on 28/12/23
AJ could fight anyone and make a decent pay day. If Wilder ko'd Joshua then I doubt he'd even fight Fury.
AJ is the draw not Wilder. I'd rather see Wilder v Ruiz
posted on 28/12/23
AJ v Ngannou makes more sense and doesn't affect fighting Fury
posted on 28/12/23
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 53 minutes ago
If AJ wants to build on his legacy he should just fight Usyk a third time or fight Fury. Wilder got exposed as a fraud and is old, AJ doesn't really need him on his record anymore. It wouldn't add as much to his CV as beating either of the other 2 would and if he beat Fury, people would conclude he'd have beaten Wilder anyway, pretty much. Not that that's how it works but it would go a long way to showing us who would come out on top.
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Agree with most of that except the last bit. We'll never know what would have happened between AJ and Wilder in their primes. Sadly that fight didn't get made and everyone lost out as a result including the fighters who would have made more money than any other fight they'd been in.
Prime AJ is undoubtedly the better boxer but prime Wilder only had to tag you once with that right and it's all over. AJ is pretty static with his movement so you'd have to say there's a decent chance Wilder would have connected at least once in 12 rounds with something significant.
If they fought now it would give us next to no answers as to how that fight would have turned out because Wilder is clearly finished and his timing was so off against Parker it beggared belief.
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Well we're talking about AJ and Wilder getting it on now, when at least one, if not arguably both, are past their peaks so what we theorise about them fighting in their primes doesn't matter anymore. I think if AJ were to fight Fury now and beat him, to most people it would be as close to confirming that AJ beats Wilder currently as actually getting in the ring with him and doing it for real. There's no guarantee but the perception among most boxing fans would be that.
To me it would be like Lennox not fighting Bowe. Lennox wiped out Golota who Bowe struggled with both times. It's pretty well recognised that Lewis is much better than Bowe without having ever fought him.
The truth is Wilder simply has been well overrated. Easy to look good when you've padded your record beating bums and old men. I mean Audley Harrison was about his 30th win ffs. If he had been given the same path as Joshua he'd probably have lost his 20th fight to Wlad and never gone down as a household name. I would have backed AJ to beat Wilder in their primes most times out of 10.
posted on 28/12/23
AJ getting the ibf belt does much more for him in the long run
posted on 28/12/23
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 2 minutes ago
AJ v Ngannou makes more sense and doesn't affect fighting Fury
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Ngannou should prove that Fury fight wasn't a fluke first before he gets to fight someone like AJ. I'd rather see AJ fight credible opponents first. Maybe by the end of his career he can fight Ngannou.
posted on 28/12/23
In mma a fighter trying to get a title wouldn't fight a guy who just lost and has lost twice to the champ. AJ should get the ibf and if he wants to fight Ngannou. Then fight Fury regardless of the outcome of him and Usyk
posted on 28/12/23
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 2 minutes ago
AJ could fight anyone and make a decent pay day. If Wilder ko'd Joshua then I doubt he'd even fight Fury.
AJ is the draw not Wilder. I'd rather see Wilder v Ruiz
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I think he gets about 60m for Wilder.... huge name with a majority split... no other fighter offers him that in the world IMO.
Wilder is the next biggest name in the division outwith Fury and AJ. AJ prob earns more for fighting Wilder right now than Fury due to splits.
if Fury and AJ go 50/50 they prob get about 40m each
If AJ fights Wilder he gets a 70/30 maybe even 80/20 split most likely at least which I think will be more.
Give Wilder 20m for AJ fight and let AJ pocket the rest
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