To be fair mayweather fought everyone other than Margarito who was a cheat anyway

Calzaghe’s still the GOAT though

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Fighter don't fear other fighters. They fear LOSING to other fighters.
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Yup. Fury especially with all his no man born of a woman can beat me BS. Can't stand all this protecting your 0 and being afraid to lose mentality that's built up in boxing courtesy of a certain Floyd Mayweather.

Never losing a fight doesn't make you great it just means that you picked and chose your fights very carefully instead of taking on all comers anytime anywhere like the true greats of the sport have done like Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis etc.
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Now Mayweather (even though he's a diiiick) is one of the best boxers of all time.

Even at Fury's age, he still looked one step ahead of all other competition

Mayweather is easily an all time great fighter. I don't regard him as the best ever but he would make my top 10-15 list.

If Usyk beats Fury again, will he and should he be considered the best HW of this era?

comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 12 minutes ago
If Usyk beats Fury again, will he and should he be considered the best HW of this era?
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He'd have beaten the other two best guys in the division four times in a row so you'd have to say yes.

I think there's a strong argument to say Usyk is the best in this era now already. He's beaten Fury and beaten AJ twice who Fury hasn't even fought yet lol. And he's achieved lineal and undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the world for the first time in 25 years. It's pretty conclusive at this point.

Fury winning a rematch obviously changes the conversation but that's a big if.

If we turn this around and if it was Fury that beat AJ twice and then beat Usyk would anyone be doubting Fury was the best of this era?

Personally, I'd have him as the best on current standing. If Fury beats him, it changes the discussion. If Usyk beats him again, it cements his status.

At the very least, Usyk is number 2 in this era.

Massively disagree

He’s had 6 fights at heavyweight

Journeyman he was crap against
Chisora who he struggled again
Dubois who he got knocked out by but then got lucky with the ref
AJ twice who is completely flat footed so he just outboxed him
Fury who lost concentration and focus thus basically gave him the win as again didn’t really do much

He is just not convincing enough to be one of the greats. Basically like a Andre Ward of heavyweights but more easy to beat

Granted his wins have now prevented AJ and Fury going down as greats unless Fury avenges it convincingly and decisively

But I’d want to see Usyk beat Fury convincingly, then beat Hrgovic/Dubois and then maybe Parker all convincingly then I’d put him as one of the “heavyweight greats”

For me it’s just too early. Await to be proven wrong, but like a great is someone you’re like “how the fack can you beat them” I just don’t see that with Usyk I think he’s so beatable, Fury was literally dominating and schooling him until he lost focus and I really don’t think Fury will lose the rematch or it will even be close

Come on mate so all Usyk's wins at HW have been flukes then and both AJ and Fury just had off nights lol.

Usyk would have beaten Fury convincingly by stoppage if the ref had stopped the fight when Fury was getting bashed around from pillar to post in the 9th and only stayed up because of the ropes. Lots of refs would have waived that off in most other fights. Fury got saved by a combination of the ropes, the ref and the bell in that round. He was very lucky.

My biggest issue really is this is easily the worst era of HW boxing. Not taking anything away from Usyk but no one is remembering him in 20 years. That's ditto for pretty much everyone in this division though. He's beaten everyone in front of him like Superbs said but there is some truth in what Oscars said, he's not massively dominant or necessarily stands out..... actually for me the biggest negative against him is he is a boring fighter paired with a fairly boring personality (from a boxing perspective), please remember boring doesnt mean bad!

This definitely isn't the worst era of Heavyweight boxing. Not by a long shot. The Heavyweight division was on life support until Fury beat Wlad in Germany and it's been very much alive and very much better since then than it was for the previous 15 years or more since Lewis retired.

We're going to look back on this as a good if not brilliant era in Heavyweight boxing and it will be a sad day when all of Usyk, Fury, AJ, Wilder, Zhang, Parker etc have retired.

I guarantee the next generation of Heavyweights aren't anywhere near as good or entertaining as this one is. Dubois will probably be the big name in the division lol.

Let's be honest boxing in general is on life support. There are a couple of lively divisions but the whole sport is becoming a bit of a laughing stock, seriously we need to actually thank the Arabs for making stuff interesting as the circus that was there before had almost killed the sport, everybody dodging everyone and no proper fights happening

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 6 hours ago
Let's be honest boxing in general is on life support. There are a couple of lively divisions but the whole sport is becoming a bit of a laughing stock, seriously we need to actually thank the Arabs for making stuff interesting as the circus that was there before had almost killed the sport, everybody dodging everyone and no proper fights happening
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I disagree.

This myth about boxing dying has been mostly perpetuated by people who prefer the UFC or other sports. We just had one of the best HW fights in recent time, between the two best guys. Crawford dismantled Spence last year in a fight that was billed as the new Floyd vs Pacquiao. Canelo is still churning out big numbers, everytime he fights. Ryan Garcia, Lomachenko, Inoue, Gervonta, Haney, Teofimo are all attracting interest in the lower weight classes.

The Saudi's have certainly added some much needed improvements and the sport is better for it.

comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted about 8 hours ago
My biggest issue really is this is easily the worst era of HW boxing. Not taking anything away from Usyk but no one is remembering him in 20 years. That's ditto for pretty much everyone in this division though. He's beaten everyone in front of him like Superbs said but there is some truth in what Oscars said, he's not massively dominant or necessarily stands out..... actually for me the biggest negative against him is he is a boring fighter paired with a fairly boring personality (from a boxing perspective), please remember boring doesnt mean bad!
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Usyk became undisputed HW champion.

His name won't be forgotten.

Usual is an undisputed two weight champion and his will rightly go down in history as one of the greats imo, certainly if he beats Fury again.

Usual? Usyk*

I also disagree , since the Saudis got involved the sport has had an injection of positivity.

Were starting to see the names we crave in against each other.

AJ/Fury/WIlder/Usyk
Crawford/Spence
Bivol/ Beterbiev
Garcia/Tank/Haney

there is a real narrative change in boxing just now and big names are fighting each other finally.

Usyk is already and all time great, he is a cruiserweight who has come up and unified the titles. Regardless of what happens he is now a solidified ATG.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 30 minutes ago
I also disagree , since the Saudis got involved the sport has had an injection of positivity.

Were starting to see the names we crave in against each other.

AJ/Fury/WIlder/Usyk
Crawford/Spence
Bivol/ Beterbiev
Garcia/Tank/Haney

there is a real narrative change in boxing just now and big names are fighting each other finally.
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I think it's widely agreed that the Saudi's have enhanced the sport in the short term, irrespective of the contentious sports washing element.

But the sport wasn't dying before their introduction.

If Usyk stops Fury via KO in the rematch, will Furys legacy be tarnished?

comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
If Usyk stops Fury via KO in the rematch, will Furys legacy be tarnished?
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It’s already tarnished really. He just got beat up by a cruiser weight

comment by Oscar #TeamFury. #Trump2024 #BringBackMourinho #ComeHomeGaffa (U12980)
posted 9 hours, 58 minutes ago
He’s had 6 fights at heavyweight

Journeyman he was crap against
Chisora who he struggled again
Dubois who he got knocked out by but then got lucky with the ref
AJ twice who is completely flat footed so he just outboxed him
Fury who lost concentration and focus thus basically gave him the win as again didn’t really do much

He is just not convincing enough to be one of the greats. Basically like a Andre Ward of heavyweights but more easy to beat

Granted his wins have now prevented AJ and Fury going down as greats unless Fury avenges it convincingly and decisively

But I’d want to see Usyk beat Fury convincingly, then beat Hrgovic/Dubois and then maybe Parker all convincingly then I’d put him as one of the “heavyweight greats”
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I recognise and acknowledge your argument but I think Usyk coming in and beating the top two guys in the division, compensates for the lack of depth in his HW resume.

For example, Errol Spence has a superior welterweight resume than Crawford. However, Crawford dominated Spence in their undisputed fight. It's widely accepted now that Crawford is the best welterweight of this era.