comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 25 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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He didn't want this fight and I doubt he really wants the Joshua fight either as he had been ducking him too. If it was up to Fury, he'd be in retirement mode ever since he came out of retirement, fighting bums and non-boxers.
I guess now he's lost his 0 this may change things but he's probably well aware he's no longer as good as he was and the Usyk rematch and Joshua fights are going to be tough for him. Losing to Joshua would absolutely crush his legacy and he knows it.
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your prob right, but he still got in there with him, fury can retire anytime he wants but still fights, he has enough money, but wants more of it. thats why he fought Usyk, its why he will fight AJ.
Thankfully boxing has now moved away from protecting the zero. and to be fair a mixture of Saudis and the Ryan Garcia prob has a huge say in that.
Money talks before the 0 helped big time with the pay packet, now Saudis have changed that and dont care they just want the big fights abd will fork out for them.
I think Fury cares more about money than legacy
Decent card this weekend with the 5 vs 5. I'm looking forward to the Dubois fight and I'm curious to see how Wilder looks against Zhang.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
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he agreed to fight Usyk technically 3 times now. He has already fought him and will do again it seems.
the rest is opinion , the facts are he fought him.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
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he agreed to fight Usyk technically 3 times now. He has already fought him and will do again it seems.
the rest is opinion , the facts are he fought him.
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Fury made the fight happening as difficult as possible with demands that he didn't think Usyk would accept. Even though Usyk still accepted them lol. Funnily enough the Whyte, Chisora and Ngannou fights got made with a click of a finger. Easy as pie.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 25 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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He didn't want this fight and I doubt he really wants the Joshua fight either as he had been ducking him too. If it was up to Fury, he'd be in retirement mode ever since he came out of retirement, fighting bums and non-boxers.
I guess now he's lost his 0 this may change things but he's probably well aware he's no longer as good as he was and the Usyk rematch and Joshua fights are going to be tough for him. Losing to Joshua would absolutely crush his legacy and he knows it.
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Yeah I agree, he definitely wanted the easy fights that still paid big money, Ngannou being the best example of that.
Losing his 0 was the best thing that could have happened for boxing fans who want to see the best fights as it makes them more likely now he's not protecting that 0 as so many fighters do these days sadly.
As a boxing fan I just want to see Fury fight AJ and the best in the division. I don't think that's too much to ask of a fighter who claims he's the best Heavyweight in history.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
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he agreed to fight Usyk technically 3 times now. He has already fought him and will do again it seems.
the rest is opinion , the facts are he fought him.
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Fury made the fight happening as difficult as possible with demands that he didn't think Usyk would accept. Even though Usyk still accepted them lol. Funnily enough the Whyte, Chisora and Ngannou fights got made with a click of a finger. Easy as pie.
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he wasnt difficult enough clearly given the fight happened.
Itsd easier to agree to a fight, you are aware that Usyk also pulled out of negotiations during talks. it wasnt just Tyson that made it difficult.
but the fight got made and the fight happened, so he didnt avoid him, he wasnt too difficult to deal with. Cos if it that was the case we wouldnt be here talking rematches.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
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he agreed to fight Usyk technically 3 times now. He has already fought him and will do again it seems.
the rest is opinion , the facts are he fought him.
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Fury made the fight happening as difficult as possible with demands that he didn't think Usyk would accept. Even though Usyk still accepted them lol. Funnily enough the Whyte, Chisora and Ngannou fights got made with a click of a finger. Easy as pie.
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Wholeheartedly agree
comment by 1manontherun 7-0 (U4291)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
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he agreed to fight Usyk technically 3 times now. He has already fought him and will do again it seems.
the rest is opinion , the facts are he fought him.
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Fury made the fight happening as difficult as possible with demands that he didn't think Usyk would accept. Even though Usyk still accepted them lol. Funnily enough the Whyte, Chisora and Ngannou fights got made with a click of a finger. Easy as pie.
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Wholeheartedly agree
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do you think that negotiations for fighters who are both arguably ranked no1 would normally be easy? no chance !! when you get two massively rated fighters under different promotions that notoriously dont get along the negotiations are never gonna be easy regardless of how difficult the fighter is to deal with.
the fight got made and Fury got paid very well so he was 100% correct to do what he did. You can argue that he didnt want to fight him but the fact that he fought makes that null and void.
All thanks to Turki and the Saudis otherwise it was never going to happen.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
All thanks to Turki and the Saudis otherwise it was never going to happen.
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thats opinion, facts are it did happen.
The path to this fight was made difficult by Fury's constant demands and attempts at obfuscation.
Let's not forget, this fight almost didn't happen due to Fury not wanting the rematch clause.
but the fight did happen and the rematch was in place, the rest if hearsay.
he wanted more money and he got it.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by 1manontherun 7-0 (U4291)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
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he agreed to fight Usyk technically 3 times now. He has already fought him and will do again it seems.
the rest is opinion , the facts are he fought him.
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Fury made the fight happening as difficult as possible with demands that he didn't think Usyk would accept. Even though Usyk still accepted them lol. Funnily enough the Whyte, Chisora and Ngannou fights got made with a click of a finger. Easy as pie.
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Wholeheartedly agree
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do you think that negotiations for fighters who are both arguably ranked no1 would normally be easy? no chance !! when you get two massively rated fighters under different promotions that notoriously dont get along the negotiations are never gonna be easy regardless of how difficult the fighter is to deal with.
the fight got made and Fury got paid very well so he was 100% correct to do what he did. You can argue that he didnt want to fight him but the fact that he fought makes that null and void.
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There's certainly an element of that I think..
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 4 minutes ago
The path to this fight was made difficult by Fury's constant demands and attempts at obfuscation.
Let's not forget, this fight almost didn't happen due to Fury not wanting the rematch clause.
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Yeah so true!!
He's no doubt a quality boxer, but no where near as good as he and others have made out.
Say what you want about AJ and there is a lot to say, but he's never ducked anyone and the only fighters he's struggled to sign deals with has been fury and wilder
Nobody is saying the fight didn't happen but you can't ignore the build up and Furys behaviour.
Also why do we have to wait almost 7 months??
Surely 4/5 months should survive?
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 40 seconds ago
Nobody is saying the fight didn't happen but you can't ignore the build up and Furys behaviour.
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I am not denying it Im saying he was correct to act that way cos he got what he wanted out of it ... more money.
But to automatically assume he didnt want to fight him when he fought him doesnt make sense. I think your inredibly niave if you think this was all just Fury's doing.
Hearn isnt easy to deal with especially when his fighter holds two belts and is very very popular and trying to get more money out of him at his expense will make any negotiation difficult.
Fury was willing to fight him, as is what happened in the end however.
comment by 1manontherun 7-0 (U4291)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 4 minutes ago
The path to this fight was made difficult by Fury's constant demands and attempts at obfuscation.
Let's not forget, this fight almost didn't happen due to Fury not wanting the rematch clause.
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Yeah so true!!
He's no doubt a quality boxer, but no where near as good as he and others have made out.
Say what you want about AJ and there is a lot to say, but he's never ducked anyone and the only fighters he's struggled to sign deals with has been fury and wilder
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I hate the "duck" word, its very rare that fighters are unwilling to fight other fighters its what they do day in day out..... they do however have their worth and money is the reason that 90% of fights dont happen.
And even then its not the fighter pulling out the deal its the promotor.
Also we as fans see it simply as us wanting to know who the best fighter is. The fighters and promotors see a career and the money that can be earned in a whole career and how to go about maximising it. 9/10 its by hyping them up getting easier victories that in turn over inflate their worth in these lower fights with minimal risk. Thats what they are hired for. Gone are the days that fighters are in the game for the glory.
If they got paid buttons they would likely switch sports or never take it up in the first place.
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 28 minutes ago
Nobody is saying the fight didn't happen but you can't ignore the build up and Furys behaviour.
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Exactly, it been embarrassing to watch, so much so that many British fans were routing for Usyk who's behaviour has been impeccable throughout these last two years of negotiations. In complete contrast to Fury.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 40 seconds ago
Nobody is saying the fight didn't happen but you can't ignore the build up and Furys behaviour.
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I am not denying it Im saying he was correct to act that way cos he got what he wanted out of it ... more money.
But to automatically assume he didnt want to fight him when he fought him doesnt make sense. I think your inredibly niave if you think this was all just Fury's doing.
Hearn isnt easy to deal with especially when his fighter holds two belts and is very very popular and trying to get more money out of him at his expense will make any negotiation difficult.
Fury was willing to fight him, as is what happened in the end however.
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Did he get more money? That's an opinion, not fact. But we do know that his stock dropped during that build up.
Hearn wasn't involved. As far as I can see, both AJ vs Usyk fights were made fairly quickly and without much fuss. The same cannot be said for Fury vs Usyk. Frank Warren himself has gone on record to say that Fury does and says what he wants.
Fighter don't fear other fighters. They fear LOSING to other fighters.
what if Tyson was never slammed up for 3 years ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh6qPBWFA0Y
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Fighter don't fear other fighters. They fear LOSING to other fighters.
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Yup. Fury especially with all his no man born of a woman can beat me BS. Can't stand all this protecting your 0 and being afraid to lose mentality that's built up in boxing courtesy of a certain Floyd Mayweather.
Never losing a fight doesn't make you great it just means that you picked and chose your fights very carefully instead of taking on all comers anytime anywhere like the true greats of the sport have done like Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis etc.
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posted on 29/5/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 25 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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He didn't want this fight and I doubt he really wants the Joshua fight either as he had been ducking him too. If it was up to Fury, he'd be in retirement mode ever since he came out of retirement, fighting bums and non-boxers.
I guess now he's lost his 0 this may change things but he's probably well aware he's no longer as good as he was and the Usyk rematch and Joshua fights are going to be tough for him. Losing to Joshua would absolutely crush his legacy and he knows it.
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your prob right, but he still got in there with him, fury can retire anytime he wants but still fights, he has enough money, but wants more of it. thats why he fought Usyk, its why he will fight AJ.
Thankfully boxing has now moved away from protecting the zero. and to be fair a mixture of Saudis and the Ryan Garcia prob has a huge say in that.
Money talks before the 0 helped big time with the pay packet, now Saudis have changed that and dont care they just want the big fights abd will fork out for them.
I think Fury cares more about money than legacy
posted on 29/5/24
Decent card this weekend with the 5 vs 5. I'm looking forward to the Dubois fight and I'm curious to see how Wilder looks against Zhang.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
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he agreed to fight Usyk technically 3 times now. He has already fought him and will do again it seems.
the rest is opinion , the facts are he fought him.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
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he agreed to fight Usyk technically 3 times now. He has already fought him and will do again it seems.
the rest is opinion , the facts are he fought him.
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Fury made the fight happening as difficult as possible with demands that he didn't think Usyk would accept. Even though Usyk still accepted them lol. Funnily enough the Whyte, Chisora and Ngannou fights got made with a click of a finger. Easy as pie.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 25 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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He didn't want this fight and I doubt he really wants the Joshua fight either as he had been ducking him too. If it was up to Fury, he'd be in retirement mode ever since he came out of retirement, fighting bums and non-boxers.
I guess now he's lost his 0 this may change things but he's probably well aware he's no longer as good as he was and the Usyk rematch and Joshua fights are going to be tough for him. Losing to Joshua would absolutely crush his legacy and he knows it.
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Yeah I agree, he definitely wanted the easy fights that still paid big money, Ngannou being the best example of that.
Losing his 0 was the best thing that could have happened for boxing fans who want to see the best fights as it makes them more likely now he's not protecting that 0 as so many fighters do these days sadly.
As a boxing fan I just want to see Fury fight AJ and the best in the division. I don't think that's too much to ask of a fighter who claims he's the best Heavyweight in history.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
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he agreed to fight Usyk technically 3 times now. He has already fought him and will do again it seems.
the rest is opinion , the facts are he fought him.
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Fury made the fight happening as difficult as possible with demands that he didn't think Usyk would accept. Even though Usyk still accepted them lol. Funnily enough the Whyte, Chisora and Ngannou fights got made with a click of a finger. Easy as pie.
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he wasnt difficult enough clearly given the fight happened.
Itsd easier to agree to a fight, you are aware that Usyk also pulled out of negotiations during talks. it wasnt just Tyson that made it difficult.
but the fight got made and the fight happened, so he didnt avoid him, he wasnt too difficult to deal with. Cos if it that was the case we wouldnt be here talking rematches.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
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he agreed to fight Usyk technically 3 times now. He has already fought him and will do again it seems.
the rest is opinion , the facts are he fought him.
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Fury made the fight happening as difficult as possible with demands that he didn't think Usyk would accept. Even though Usyk still accepted them lol. Funnily enough the Whyte, Chisora and Ngannou fights got made with a click of a finger. Easy as pie.
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Wholeheartedly agree
posted on 29/5/24
comment by 1manontherun 7-0 (U4291)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
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he agreed to fight Usyk technically 3 times now. He has already fought him and will do again it seems.
the rest is opinion , the facts are he fought him.
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Fury made the fight happening as difficult as possible with demands that he didn't think Usyk would accept. Even though Usyk still accepted them lol. Funnily enough the Whyte, Chisora and Ngannou fights got made with a click of a finger. Easy as pie.
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Wholeheartedly agree
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do you think that negotiations for fighters who are both arguably ranked no1 would normally be easy? no chance !! when you get two massively rated fighters under different promotions that notoriously dont get along the negotiations are never gonna be easy regardless of how difficult the fighter is to deal with.
the fight got made and Fury got paid very well so he was 100% correct to do what he did. You can argue that he didnt want to fight him but the fact that he fought makes that null and void.
posted on 29/5/24
All thanks to Turki and the Saudis otherwise it was never going to happen.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
All thanks to Turki and the Saudis otherwise it was never going to happen.
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thats opinion, facts are it did happen.
posted on 29/5/24
The path to this fight was made difficult by Fury's constant demands and attempts at obfuscation.
Let's not forget, this fight almost didn't happen due to Fury not wanting the rematch clause.
posted on 29/5/24
but the fight did happen and the rematch was in place, the rest if hearsay.
he wanted more money and he got it.
posted on 29/5/24
*is hearsay
posted on 29/5/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by 1manontherun 7-0 (U4291)
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comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 15 minutes ago
Yeah Fury eventually got into the ring with Usyk but he clearly didn't want to lol and without Saudi intervention do you honestly think that fight would have happened?
Fury was putting every barrier he could in between him and that fight. At one point he was even asking why should he fight Usyk as he's not in his era lol.
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if he didnt want to he wouldnt have gotten into the ring.... dont believe half of what you read. Fury did the right thing it doesnt matter if you dont think it would have happened without them, we have them and the fight got made with them. they will still be about for the rematch and the 3rd fight if it requires one.
Its all about money and trying to get as much of it as possible.
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He definitely didn't want to and he begrudgingly got in the ring after being given an offer he couldn't refuse, not to mention public pressure after the boxing public got sick of his excuses, barriers and generally doing his best to avoid the fight.
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he agreed to fight Usyk technically 3 times now. He has already fought him and will do again it seems.
the rest is opinion , the facts are he fought him.
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Fury made the fight happening as difficult as possible with demands that he didn't think Usyk would accept. Even though Usyk still accepted them lol. Funnily enough the Whyte, Chisora and Ngannou fights got made with a click of a finger. Easy as pie.
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Wholeheartedly agree
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do you think that negotiations for fighters who are both arguably ranked no1 would normally be easy? no chance !! when you get two massively rated fighters under different promotions that notoriously dont get along the negotiations are never gonna be easy regardless of how difficult the fighter is to deal with.
the fight got made and Fury got paid very well so he was 100% correct to do what he did. You can argue that he didnt want to fight him but the fact that he fought makes that null and void.
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There's certainly an element of that I think..
posted on 29/5/24
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 4 minutes ago
The path to this fight was made difficult by Fury's constant demands and attempts at obfuscation.
Let's not forget, this fight almost didn't happen due to Fury not wanting the rematch clause.
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Yeah so true!!
He's no doubt a quality boxer, but no where near as good as he and others have made out.
Say what you want about AJ and there is a lot to say, but he's never ducked anyone and the only fighters he's struggled to sign deals with has been fury and wilder
posted on 29/5/24
Nobody is saying the fight didn't happen but you can't ignore the build up and Furys behaviour.
posted on 29/5/24
Also why do we have to wait almost 7 months??
Surely 4/5 months should survive?
posted on 29/5/24
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 40 seconds ago
Nobody is saying the fight didn't happen but you can't ignore the build up and Furys behaviour.
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I am not denying it Im saying he was correct to act that way cos he got what he wanted out of it ... more money.
But to automatically assume he didnt want to fight him when he fought him doesnt make sense. I think your inredibly niave if you think this was all just Fury's doing.
Hearn isnt easy to deal with especially when his fighter holds two belts and is very very popular and trying to get more money out of him at his expense will make any negotiation difficult.
Fury was willing to fight him, as is what happened in the end however.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by 1manontherun 7-0 (U4291)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 4 minutes ago
The path to this fight was made difficult by Fury's constant demands and attempts at obfuscation.
Let's not forget, this fight almost didn't happen due to Fury not wanting the rematch clause.
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Yeah so true!!
He's no doubt a quality boxer, but no where near as good as he and others have made out.
Say what you want about AJ and there is a lot to say, but he's never ducked anyone and the only fighters he's struggled to sign deals with has been fury and wilder
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I hate the "duck" word, its very rare that fighters are unwilling to fight other fighters its what they do day in day out..... they do however have their worth and money is the reason that 90% of fights dont happen.
And even then its not the fighter pulling out the deal its the promotor.
Also we as fans see it simply as us wanting to know who the best fighter is. The fighters and promotors see a career and the money that can be earned in a whole career and how to go about maximising it. 9/10 its by hyping them up getting easier victories that in turn over inflate their worth in these lower fights with minimal risk. Thats what they are hired for. Gone are the days that fighters are in the game for the glory.
If they got paid buttons they would likely switch sports or never take it up in the first place.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 28 minutes ago
Nobody is saying the fight didn't happen but you can't ignore the build up and Furys behaviour.
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Exactly, it been embarrassing to watch, so much so that many British fans were routing for Usyk who's behaviour has been impeccable throughout these last two years of negotiations. In complete contrast to Fury.
posted on 29/5/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 40 seconds ago
Nobody is saying the fight didn't happen but you can't ignore the build up and Furys behaviour.
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I am not denying it Im saying he was correct to act that way cos he got what he wanted out of it ... more money.
But to automatically assume he didnt want to fight him when he fought him doesnt make sense. I think your inredibly niave if you think this was all just Fury's doing.
Hearn isnt easy to deal with especially when his fighter holds two belts and is very very popular and trying to get more money out of him at his expense will make any negotiation difficult.
Fury was willing to fight him, as is what happened in the end however.
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Did he get more money? That's an opinion, not fact. But we do know that his stock dropped during that build up.
Hearn wasn't involved. As far as I can see, both AJ vs Usyk fights were made fairly quickly and without much fuss. The same cannot be said for Fury vs Usyk. Frank Warren himself has gone on record to say that Fury does and says what he wants.
posted on 29/5/24
Fighter don't fear other fighters. They fear LOSING to other fighters.
posted on 29/5/24
what if Tyson was never slammed up for 3 years ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh6qPBWFA0Y
posted on 29/5/24
comment by The Guvnor XI -AKA The Shōguv (U12889)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Fighter don't fear other fighters. They fear LOSING to other fighters.
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Yup. Fury especially with all his no man born of a woman can beat me BS. Can't stand all this protecting your 0 and being afraid to lose mentality that's built up in boxing courtesy of a certain Floyd Mayweather.
Never losing a fight doesn't make you great it just means that you picked and chose your fights very carefully instead of taking on all comers anytime anywhere like the true greats of the sport have done like Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis etc.
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