comment by justanotherTopperSpur (U1409)
posted 46 minutes ago
It's a total bollox...you can't even celebrate a goal properly incase it goes to VAR.
I give it 2 years before it kills the game.
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While it won't kill the game ... Cutting excitement and emotion out of the game a little... When grounds are already struggling for atmosphere... Hate it
Every goal has to be checked... The spurs goal disallowed the other night was a joke
Things I don't like about VAR (roughly in order):
1. Can't celebrate a goal - by the time it's checked the moment has gone
2. Ref is constantly undermined and loses confidence, then prefers to check everything without making a decision for himself
3. Still room for subjective calls (e.g. Lamela goal)
4. Breaks all momentum of the game with stoppages
5. Stoppages not fully reflected in injury time - games take longer and last under 90mins
6. Video ref cannot see the incident in real time, which is often more accurate representation of what happened than slow motion
7. As a fan half the match you are thinking about whether something will be reviewed when the ball goes out
8. Fans and players have no idea of what the ref is checking or what he's being told by the VAR
9. Potential for muscle injuries during lengthy stoppages
10. Excitement of an underdog causing a shock result through lucky decisions less frequent
11. Fewer talking points in general
12. Can't use it at every level - lower league sides at a disadvantage in the Cup if they don't know how to 'play the system'
Would love a response to these points by a supporter of VAR. Some could be improved with more experience/practise, some will always happen as a result of VAR.
comment by AlexTia (U7067)
posted 54 minutes ago
And there goes any controversy that made football great. What next , 11 robots instead of humans?
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Er, in case you hadn’t noticed, VAR has brought along plenty of controversy of its own. Football isn’t great when a team isn’t awarded a clear decision and suffers for it in the result. For me this is why VAR has to be (efficiently) implemented.
The way the world is going with robotics and A.I., I expect there probably will be a robot league in the future.
8. Fans and players have no idea of what the ref is checking or what he's being told by the VAR
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Johannes Holzmuller, Head of FIFA's Football Technology Innovation, describes how FIFA is working on a system to relay instant information from #VAR to fans and broadcasters.
that's one of your points already covered.
comment by Big Shaq (U11781)
posted 12 seconds ago
8. Fans and players have no idea of what the ref is checking or what he's being told by the VAR
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Johannes Holzmuller, Head of FIFA's Football Technology Innovation, describes how FIFA is working on a system to relay instant information from #VAR to fans and broadcasters.
that's one of your points already covered.
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There will always be a sense of, when the ref signals for VAR, 'What's he checking here?'
And what about the players and coaches? They won't be watching TV screens. It's not all about broadcasters.
At least you won't feel as much injustice which is the main thing. Imagine if we VAR all the big competitions and find who deserved to go through and not lol.
var based on the fa cup games we've seen so far is a joke
id love for it to fail miserably in the world cup so it's abandoned until better technology is available
training is all good and well, but refs get trained now and most of them are terrible.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 58 minutes ago
The concept of cricket destroyed cricket
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only reason people become cricket fans is to escape their overbearing wives for an afternoon of drinking. ‘Love, I’m off to meet the boys at the pub’ “NO you are not, we are going up to my mothers’ vs ‘love I’m off to the cricket, I hear the duckworth fackface rule has been rewritten..’ “ er..ok, no harm in cricket”
I reckon it's only a matter of time before we have AI adjudicating a lot of these VAR dilemmas, at which point the decisions can be instantaneous.
As for 'controversy was what made football great' - BS.
Its absolute nonsence and unnecessary
It still takes a ref in the back of a van somewhere to deduce the evidence of the video replay and as seen so far is very much open to interpretation. Just let the ref, ref the game on the pitch as he sees it.
I think Arsenal will benefit from this more than anyone else with the number of dodgy decisions against us. According to when the media publish the PL with refs errors corrected on goal decisions we've won the league at least twice in the last decade. Of course as long as the video refs get it right.
Just let the ref, ref the game on the pitch as he sees it.
The refs in this country have been incompetent for a number of years now, they’re clearly not doing their job properly and a solution is needed.
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Imo they should have an appeal system like tennis but be limited to 1 appeal per half, if the appeal is successful then they keep it. Wouldn't disrupt the game too much.
the beauty of this game, let us not forge, is that it has the same inclusive rules for everybody who plays it and is the same at all levels of the pyramid. Assoc Football is not a elite sport. If VAR is made available to level one of the pyramid then it should really be required and made available for all levels within it.
Nothing wrong with VAR. It will iron out the teething problems in time. The decisions have been worthwhile so far. I think theyve got them all correct so far
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 4 minutes ago
the beauty of this game, let us not forge, is that it has the same inclusive rules for everybody who plays it and is the same at all levels of the pyramid. Assoc Football is not a elite sport. If VAR is made available to level one of the pyramid then it should really be required and made available for all levels within it.
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That would be impossible.
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comment by Kim Jong Wenger (U8691)
posted 28 minutes ago
Imo they should have an appeal system like tennis but be limited to 1 appeal per half, if the appeal is successful then they keep it. Wouldn't disrupt the game too much.
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Pointless and arbitrary restriction. If people are too scared to check a decision because they might lose it then they won't call for it. Imagine the uproar if a team had lost their challenge and then conceded an obviously incorrect goal to lose the match.
People are moaning because they don't like change, that is all it is.
I love the idea. With time the decision-making process will get quicker. But it's better to wait for the correct decision than rush for the wrong one. I'm a big cricket fan and I'm used to lengthy delays due to appeals and TV replays so VAR doesn't bother me.
comment by TTliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by AlexTia (U7067)
posted 20 minutes ago
And there goes any controversy that made football great. What next , 11 robots instead of humans?
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How is incorrect decisions not being challenged "great"?
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Because it destroys a part of unpredictable nature of the game , the human element of a ref making a mistake , which in turn brings rage or delight in a decision from that mistake.
What is going to be point in having a ref or lineman? Where is it going to end? The goal-line tech is enough for me but every decision about offsides or was it a dive or was he touched is going to ruin it, that is part of the game that creates debates or talking points with fellow fans in work etc. Its going to become sterile ffs.
Dont expect many to agree with me but you know what im getting at hopefully
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
the beauty of this game, let us not forge, is that it has the same inclusive rules for everybody who plays it and is the same at all levels of the pyramid. Assoc Football is not a elite sport. If VAR is made available to level one of the pyramid then it should really be required and made available for all levels within it.
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Goal line technology would suggest otherwise.
comment by Alexis The King Sanchez (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
the beauty of this game, let us not forge, is that it has the same inclusive rules for everybody who plays it and is the same at all levels of the pyramid. Assoc Football is not a elite sport. If VAR is made available to level one of the pyramid then it should really be required and made available for all levels within it.
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Goal line technology would suggest otherwise.
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And refs being mic'ed up and linemens with the electronic connection to the ref and big fancy scoreboards etc etc.
None of this technology changes the rules,
The rules are still the same for everyone
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posted on 3/3/18
comment by justanotherTopperSpur (U1409)
posted 46 minutes ago
It's a total bollox...you can't even celebrate a goal properly incase it goes to VAR.
I give it 2 years before it kills the game.
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While it won't kill the game ... Cutting excitement and emotion out of the game a little... When grounds are already struggling for atmosphere... Hate it
Every goal has to be checked... The spurs goal disallowed the other night was a joke
posted on 3/3/18
Things I don't like about VAR (roughly in order):
1. Can't celebrate a goal - by the time it's checked the moment has gone
2. Ref is constantly undermined and loses confidence, then prefers to check everything without making a decision for himself
3. Still room for subjective calls (e.g. Lamela goal)
4. Breaks all momentum of the game with stoppages
5. Stoppages not fully reflected in injury time - games take longer and last under 90mins
6. Video ref cannot see the incident in real time, which is often more accurate representation of what happened than slow motion
7. As a fan half the match you are thinking about whether something will be reviewed when the ball goes out
8. Fans and players have no idea of what the ref is checking or what he's being told by the VAR
9. Potential for muscle injuries during lengthy stoppages
10. Excitement of an underdog causing a shock result through lucky decisions less frequent
11. Fewer talking points in general
12. Can't use it at every level - lower league sides at a disadvantage in the Cup if they don't know how to 'play the system'
Would love a response to these points by a supporter of VAR. Some could be improved with more experience/practise, some will always happen as a result of VAR.
posted on 3/3/18
Pity, I prefer without.
posted on 3/3/18
comment by AlexTia (U7067)
posted 54 minutes ago
And there goes any controversy that made football great. What next , 11 robots instead of humans?
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Er, in case you hadn’t noticed, VAR has brought along plenty of controversy of its own. Football isn’t great when a team isn’t awarded a clear decision and suffers for it in the result. For me this is why VAR has to be (efficiently) implemented.
The way the world is going with robotics and A.I., I expect there probably will be a robot league in the future.
posted on 3/3/18
8. Fans and players have no idea of what the ref is checking or what he's being told by the VAR
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Johannes Holzmuller, Head of FIFA's Football Technology Innovation, describes how FIFA is working on a system to relay instant information from #VAR to fans and broadcasters.
that's one of your points already covered.
posted on 3/3/18
comment by Big Shaq (U11781)
posted 12 seconds ago
8. Fans and players have no idea of what the ref is checking or what he's being told by the VAR
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Johannes Holzmuller, Head of FIFA's Football Technology Innovation, describes how FIFA is working on a system to relay instant information from #VAR to fans and broadcasters.
that's one of your points already covered.
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There will always be a sense of, when the ref signals for VAR, 'What's he checking here?'
And what about the players and coaches? They won't be watching TV screens. It's not all about broadcasters.
posted on 3/3/18
At least you won't feel as much injustice which is the main thing. Imagine if we VAR all the big competitions and find who deserved to go through and not lol.
posted on 3/3/18
var based on the fa cup games we've seen so far is a joke
id love for it to fail miserably in the world cup so it's abandoned until better technology is available
training is all good and well, but refs get trained now and most of them are terrible.
posted on 3/3/18
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 58 minutes ago
The concept of cricket destroyed cricket
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only reason people become cricket fans is to escape their overbearing wives for an afternoon of drinking. ‘Love, I’m off to meet the boys at the pub’ “NO you are not, we are going up to my mothers’ vs ‘love I’m off to the cricket, I hear the duckworth fackface rule has been rewritten..’ “ er..ok, no harm in cricket”
posted on 3/3/18
I reckon it's only a matter of time before we have AI adjudicating a lot of these VAR dilemmas, at which point the decisions can be instantaneous.
As for 'controversy was what made football great' - BS.
posted on 3/3/18
Its absolute nonsence and unnecessary
It still takes a ref in the back of a van somewhere to deduce the evidence of the video replay and as seen so far is very much open to interpretation. Just let the ref, ref the game on the pitch as he sees it.
posted on 3/3/18
I think Arsenal will benefit from this more than anyone else with the number of dodgy decisions against us. According to when the media publish the PL with refs errors corrected on goal decisions we've won the league at least twice in the last decade. Of course as long as the video refs get it right.
posted on 3/3/18
Just let the ref, ref the game on the pitch as he sees it.
The refs in this country have been incompetent for a number of years now, they’re clearly not doing their job properly and a solution is needed.
posted on 3/3/18
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posted on 3/3/18
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posted on 3/3/18
Imo they should have an appeal system like tennis but be limited to 1 appeal per half, if the appeal is successful then they keep it. Wouldn't disrupt the game too much.
posted on 3/3/18
the beauty of this game, let us not forge, is that it has the same inclusive rules for everybody who plays it and is the same at all levels of the pyramid. Assoc Football is not a elite sport. If VAR is made available to level one of the pyramid then it should really be required and made available for all levels within it.
posted on 3/3/18
Nothing wrong with VAR. It will iron out the teething problems in time. The decisions have been worthwhile so far. I think theyve got them all correct so far
posted on 3/3/18
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 4 minutes ago
the beauty of this game, let us not forge, is that it has the same inclusive rules for everybody who plays it and is the same at all levels of the pyramid. Assoc Football is not a elite sport. If VAR is made available to level one of the pyramid then it should really be required and made available for all levels within it.
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That would be impossible.
posted on 3/3/18
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posted on 3/3/18
comment by Kim Jong Wenger (U8691)
posted 28 minutes ago
Imo they should have an appeal system like tennis but be limited to 1 appeal per half, if the appeal is successful then they keep it. Wouldn't disrupt the game too much.
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Pointless and arbitrary restriction. If people are too scared to check a decision because they might lose it then they won't call for it. Imagine the uproar if a team had lost their challenge and then conceded an obviously incorrect goal to lose the match.
People are moaning because they don't like change, that is all it is.
posted on 3/3/18
I love the idea. With time the decision-making process will get quicker. But it's better to wait for the correct decision than rush for the wrong one. I'm a big cricket fan and I'm used to lengthy delays due to appeals and TV replays so VAR doesn't bother me.
posted on 3/3/18
comment by TTliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by AlexTia (U7067)
posted 20 minutes ago
And there goes any controversy that made football great. What next , 11 robots instead of humans?
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How is incorrect decisions not being challenged "great"?
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Because it destroys a part of unpredictable nature of the game , the human element of a ref making a mistake , which in turn brings rage or delight in a decision from that mistake.
What is going to be point in having a ref or lineman? Where is it going to end? The goal-line tech is enough for me but every decision about offsides or was it a dive or was he touched is going to ruin it, that is part of the game that creates debates or talking points with fellow fans in work etc. Its going to become sterile ffs.
Dont expect many to agree with me but you know what im getting at hopefully
posted on 3/3/18
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
the beauty of this game, let us not forge, is that it has the same inclusive rules for everybody who plays it and is the same at all levels of the pyramid. Assoc Football is not a elite sport. If VAR is made available to level one of the pyramid then it should really be required and made available for all levels within it.
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Goal line technology would suggest otherwise.
posted on 3/3/18
comment by Alexis The King Sanchez (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
the beauty of this game, let us not forge, is that it has the same inclusive rules for everybody who plays it and is the same at all levels of the pyramid. Assoc Football is not a elite sport. If VAR is made available to level one of the pyramid then it should really be required and made available for all levels within it.
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Goal line technology would suggest otherwise.
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And refs being mic'ed up and linemens with the electronic connection to the ref and big fancy scoreboards etc etc.
None of this technology changes the rules,
The rules are still the same for everyone
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