comment by HaaK (U11574)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
The issue I can see is that because it's so much money, the difference between 70k a week and 120k a week is nothing.
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sorry but
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In practical terms, it isn't much though. What can you afford on £120k per week that you couldn't afford on £70k per week?
Even so, obviously any normal human being would accept a job offer paying double (or more, after endorsements etc) to do the same job.
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Money is addictive I think and players having agents in their ears all the time saying "you can get more money elsewhere" is a big problem.
This is why players will leave a club they are happy for more money where they may not be happy, or even that successful on the pitch.
As to the main question in the OP, money is definitely a factor, just as it is for most people in their profession, but I think the other question you ask needs addressing too.
Yes, given the opportunity most pros would most certainly want to test themselves at the highest level. Nowadays, that's the Champions League.
It's worth remembering that virtually every pro has invested his entire youth in pursuing a dream, and for the vast majority of those who make it to a high enough level, they're not just going to stop there without trying to see it through right to the end.
The fact that a few might be lured away to non-CL clubs doesn't automatically imply that all those who play CL footy are motivated by money alone.
Furthermore, when a player does move to a non-CL club for higher wages, there's generally also a sporting project at that club that makes CL footy seem quite feasible within one or two seasons. Arsenal, Chelsea or other similar clubs offer decent propositions and have other selling points too. The player will often be wooed by the promise of him being central to their project too, whereas he might not have been made to feel so essential by CL clubs.
Finally, do not underestimate the influence of agents. Players are generally very young, and very often not all that mature. If the player's not all that assertive about who he plays for, then an agent may well decide to push the selling points of whoever's offering better wages and/or a bigger commission for the agent himself.
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you were on £80k a year would you be happy to take a pay cut and earn £40k a year instead because of some false sense of loyalty to a company. You would still be making about £15k a year more than the average salary. It sounds stupid.
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Doing it as an annual salary for a normal person is not a fair comparison. I would stay at Spurs for 40k a week rather than leave for 80k somewhere else. However the difference between earning 40k or 80k per year is huge.
I do understand the likes of Bale leaving a club he is not that attached to so that he can go and win trophies though
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How is it any different? The absolute amount definitely is but you are still asking a footballer to make £30k a week instead of £80k a week for instance.
Of course his life is already comfortable but they are not living to your standard of life. In the same way than someone on £80k a year isn't living to the standard of life which someone on £25k a year is.
You can argue this at any level because even a person who has accumulated a billion in wealth will be comparing themselves to others. Yes, they are living a brilliant life but the person down the road might have £20bn which means they have a super yacht and the person with £1bn doesn't.
Strip it down to our level and it means the person on £80k can buy a new Mercedes or BMW whilst the person on £25k rides a bicycle or takes transport.
It's relative but why not maximise your earnings? It's honestly down to a bit of jealousy and envy for other's position but given the opportunity you'd likely do the same.
What can you afford on £120k per week that you couldn't afford on £70k per week?
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Missing 50k per week over a number of years, makes a hell of a difference.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 23 seconds ago
As to the main question in the OP, money is definitely a factor, just as it is for most people in their profession, but I think the other question you ask needs addressing too.
Yes, given the opportunity most pros would most certainly want to test themselves at the highest level. Nowadays, that's the Champions League.
It's worth remembering that virtually every pro has invested his entire youth in pursuing a dream, and for the vast majority of those who make it to a high enough level, they're not just going to stop there without trying to see it through right to the end.
The fact that a few might be lured away to non-CL clubs doesn't automatically imply that all those who play CL footy are motivated by money alone.
Furthermore, when a player does move to a non-CL club for higher wages, there's generally also a sporting project at that club that makes CL footy seem quite feasible within one or two seasons. Arsenal, Chelsea or other similar clubs offer decent propositions and have other selling points too. The player will often be wooed by the promise of him being central to their project too, whereas he might not have been made to feel so essential by CL clubs.
Finally, do not underestimate the influence of agents. Players are generally very young, and very often not all that mature. If the player's not all that assertive about who he plays for, then an agent may well decide to push the selling points of whoever's offering better wages and/or a bigger commission for the agent himself.
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Thanks that was a very well thought out comment and I do agree with a lot of what you say. Agents have become a scurge. I understand the need to negotiate on behalf of footballers who often do not have a lot of education but modern day agents are little more than parasites.
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
The issue I can see is that because it's so much money, the difference between 70k a week and 120k a week is nothing.
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sorry but
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Would you like 3.64 million a year, or 6.2 million a year?
Meh, not fussed mate near enough the same anyway.
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Not fussed? taking 3 mil or 6 mil per year?
Of course you take 6 mil for fack sake. Its not nothing, its facking double the pay.
Remember you are out of this well paid job around 35, you still have another 50-60 years to live.
If you want live a rich life and hang on to the luxury you better take that 6 mil.
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
The issue I can see is that because it's so much money, the difference between 70k a week and 120k a week is nothing.
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sorry but
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Would you like 3.64 million a year, or 6.2 million a year?
Meh, not fussed mate near enough the same anyway.
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Not fussed? taking 3 mil or 6 mil per year?
Of course you take 6 mil for fack sake. Its not nothing, its facking double the pay.
Remember you are out of this well paid job around 35, you still have another 50-60 years to live.
If you want live a rich life and hang on to the luxury you better take that 6 mil.
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I thought I had made it clear I was not serious, my apologies.
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you were on £80k a year would you be happy to take a pay cut and earn £40k a year instead because of some false sense of loyalty to a company. You would still be making about £15k a year more than the average salary. It sounds stupid.
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Doing it as an annual salary for a normal person is not a fair comparison. I would stay at Spurs for 40k a week rather than leave for 80k somewhere else. However the difference between earning 40k or 80k per year is huge.
I do understand the likes of Bale leaving a club he is not that attached to so that he can go and win trophies though
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How is it any different? The absolute amount definitely is but you are still asking a footballer to make £30k a week instead of £80k a week for instance.
Of course his life is already comfortable but they are not living to your standard of life. In the same way than someone on £80k a year isn't living to the standard of life which someone on £25k a year is.
You can argue this at any level because even a person who has accumulated a billion in wealth will be comparing themselves to others. Yes, they are living a brilliant life but the person down the road might have £20bn which means they have a super yacht and the person with £1bn doesn't.
Strip it down to our level and it means the person on £80k can buy a new Mercedes or BMW whilst the person on £25k rides a bicycle or takes transport.
It's relative but why not maximise your earnings? It's honestly down to a bit of jealousy and envy for other's position but given the opportunity you'd likely do the same.
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I will admit I will never be in the position to decide if I want £3m a year at one job or £6m elsewhere. But can you not see my point in your own comment?
Let's compare £25k a year with £80k a year. £25k a year probably means cycling to work or getting public transport. Especially in London. But £80k a year opens up the possibility of home ownership, possibly even second home ownership depending on where you live. You can afford to run an expensive car if that is what you want to do with your money.
Twice as much money per year when you are already a multi millionaire is stuff like more expensive sports cars, more expensive watches, buying older bottles of champagne. Do these things really improve a person's quality of life?
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comment by Number-Eight (U9729)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
The issue I can see is that because it's so much money, the difference between 70k a week and 120k a week is nothing.
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sorry but
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Would you like 3.64 million a year, or 6.2 million a year?
Meh, not fussed mate near enough the same anyway.
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Not fussed? taking 3 mil or 6 mil per year?
Of course you take 6 mil for fack sake. Its not nothing, its facking double the pay.
Remember you are out of this well paid job around 35, you still have another 50-60 years to live.
If you want live a rich life and hang on to the luxury you better take that 6 mil.
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I thought I had made it clear I was not serious, my apologies.
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lolz... it was pretty obvs
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Mega lolz or just lolz?
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you were on £80k a year would you be happy to take a pay cut and earn £40k a year instead because of some false sense of loyalty to a company. You would still be making about £15k a year more than the average salary. It sounds stupid.
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Doing it as an annual salary for a normal person is not a fair comparison. I would stay at Spurs for 40k a week rather than leave for 80k somewhere else. However the difference between earning 40k or 80k per year is huge.
I do understand the likes of Bale leaving a club he is not that attached to so that he can go and win trophies though
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How is it any different? The absolute amount definitely is but you are still asking a footballer to make £30k a week instead of £80k a week for instance.
Of course his life is already comfortable but they are not living to your standard of life. In the same way than someone on £80k a year isn't living to the standard of life which someone on £25k a year is.
You can argue this at any level because even a person who has accumulated a billion in wealth will be comparing themselves to others. Yes, they are living a brilliant life but the person down the road might have £20bn which means they have a super yacht and the person with £1bn doesn't.
Strip it down to our level and it means the person on £80k can buy a new Mercedes or BMW whilst the person on £25k rides a bicycle or takes transport.
It's relative but why not maximise your earnings? It's honestly down to a bit of jealousy and envy for other's position but given the opportunity you'd likely do the same.
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I will admit I will never be in the position to decide if I want £3m a year at one job or £6m elsewhere. But can you not see my point in your own comment?
Let's compare £25k a year with £80k a year. £25k a year probably means cycling to work or getting public transport. Especially in London. But £80k a year opens up the possibility of home ownership, possibly even second home ownership depending on where you live. You can afford to run an expensive car if that is what you want to do with your money.
Twice as much money per year when you are already a multi millionaire is stuff like more expensive sports cars, more expensive watches, buying older bottles of champagne. Do these things really improve a person's quality of life?
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Probably, for a 22 year old footballer, as bad as it sounds.
More to the point though, over a whole career, that could be an extra £30m earned - so it's not just about what type of watch you can afford, you can be paying for your kids houses, their kids and grandkids houses, and future generations to be secure for life too.
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
The issue I can see is that because it's so much money, the difference between 70k a week and 120k a week is nothing.
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sorry but
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Would you like 3.64 million a year, or 6.2 million a year?
Meh, not fussed mate near enough the same anyway.
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Not fussed? taking 3 mil or 6 mil per year?
Of course you take 6 mil for fack sake. Its not nothing, its facking double the pay.
Remember you are out of this well paid job around 35, you still have another 50-60 years to live.
If you want live a rich life and hang on to the luxury you better take that 6 mil.
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I thought I had made it clear I was not serious, my apologies.
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Sorry Mike, I didnt realise
I completely understand but there are different levels which to you seem irrelevant. Given the opportunity why would you NOT want to have a portfolio of 10 real estates rather than 3?
Yes they are already multi-millionaires but refusing additional millions would be a stupid move to be honest. That extra wealth could secure the future of not just their children but their children's children.
You also disregard that once they retire, none of them are thinking about "let me take a step back and sit at my porch rocking back and forth" - they are still only 35 years old and want to continue living that lifestyle.
Having the opportunity to gain as much wealth in those 15 years is not to be taken for granted. So yes they would be comfortable earning £5m during that time and live better than 99% of people but who in their right mind wouldn't want to make £20m instead. All of that to just be ignored because of a false sense of loyalty with the fans?
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
Most footballers get paid more in a year than most normal people make in a lifetime of graft. So it is total bollox to say their life as a footballer is short, so they need to make lots of money before they are say 35. They can make more than enough by the time they are 24 to live a very comfortable lifestyle, out of the reach of nearly all of us. So they really they do not need to change clubs for a few quid more.
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This
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Load of nonsense. Why are we comparing a footballer at the peak of his game to a normal person? Comparing like for like it would be CEO's being compared with footballers if we were to use this terrible analogy.
Footballers work ridiculously hard, have to be ridiculously disciplined with what they do, are literally the best in their profession, have to endure really high levels of stress/anxiety and work in a financially lucrative industry. Them wanting the best for themselves is not an issue at all.
I think where you stand on this arguement depends on your attitude to money. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 44 seconds ago
Sister
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comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 40 minutes ago
Thanks that was a very well thought out comment and I do agree with a lot of what you say. Agents have become a scurge. I understand the need to negotiate on behalf of footballers who often do not have a lot of education but modern day agents are little more than parasites.
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Some perhaps, but they also invariably get a bad rap from fans and clubs, forgetting that their commit is to seek what's best for the players they represent.
Take the much maligned Mino Raiola, for example. Even though he makes a killing on the transfers he brokers, he also gets astonishingly good deals for the players he works for.
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 1 minute ago
I think where you stand on this arguement depends on your attitude to money. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
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Not at all.
The stance on a player who leaves a club for more money is not mutually exclusive with one's views on the ridiculous sums of money in the game. Yet ultimately I do sympathise with footballers in that sense because despite being vastly overpaid, they are one of the few overpaid industries that are constantly in the public eye and constantly get criticised for being overpaid.
I would much rather go for more important things first like: people who avoid tax, IB's who manipulate the market for personal wealth, CEO's getting paid silly salaries etc. Than some people who work 90 hour weeks, sacrifice their lifestyle, get about a weeks holiday a year all for the entertainment of hundreds of millions of people.
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comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 1 minute ago
I think where you stand on this arguement depends on your attitude to money. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
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Not at all.
The stance on a player who leaves a club for more money is not mutually exclusive with one's views on the ridiculous sums of money in the game. Yet ultimately I do sympathise with footballers in that sense because despite being vastly overpaid, they are one of the few overpaid industries that are constantly in the public eye and constantly get criticised for being overpaid.
I would much rather go for more important things first like: people who avoid tax, IB's who manipulate the market for personal wealth, CEO's getting paid silly salaries etc. Than some people who work 90 hour weeks, sacrifice their lifestyle, get about a weeks holiday a year all for the entertainment of hundreds of millions of people.
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Good point about footballers getting constantly criticised for earning a lot of money. They get it even worse than bankers. And while not always true, as a general rule the clubs and players pay income tax. Often at the full rate rather than set up tax dodges to keep even more of their money. So through taxation the money in football does a lot of good.
Though a few years ago Arsenal had some tax avoidance scam going where their footballers were 'running' some kind of individual business so they could pay tax at a lower rate. I don't know if this is still the case.
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posted on 26/7/18
comment by HaaK (U11574)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
The issue I can see is that because it's so much money, the difference between 70k a week and 120k a week is nothing.
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sorry but
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In practical terms, it isn't much though. What can you afford on £120k per week that you couldn't afford on £70k per week?
Even so, obviously any normal human being would accept a job offer paying double (or more, after endorsements etc) to do the same job.
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Money is addictive I think and players having agents in their ears all the time saying "you can get more money elsewhere" is a big problem.
This is why players will leave a club they are happy for more money where they may not be happy, or even that successful on the pitch.
posted on 26/7/18
As to the main question in the OP, money is definitely a factor, just as it is for most people in their profession, but I think the other question you ask needs addressing too.
Yes, given the opportunity most pros would most certainly want to test themselves at the highest level. Nowadays, that's the Champions League.
It's worth remembering that virtually every pro has invested his entire youth in pursuing a dream, and for the vast majority of those who make it to a high enough level, they're not just going to stop there without trying to see it through right to the end.
The fact that a few might be lured away to non-CL clubs doesn't automatically imply that all those who play CL footy are motivated by money alone.
Furthermore, when a player does move to a non-CL club for higher wages, there's generally also a sporting project at that club that makes CL footy seem quite feasible within one or two seasons. Arsenal, Chelsea or other similar clubs offer decent propositions and have other selling points too. The player will often be wooed by the promise of him being central to their project too, whereas he might not have been made to feel so essential by CL clubs.
Finally, do not underestimate the influence of agents. Players are generally very young, and very often not all that mature. If the player's not all that assertive about who he plays for, then an agent may well decide to push the selling points of whoever's offering better wages and/or a bigger commission for the agent himself.
posted on 26/7/18
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you were on £80k a year would you be happy to take a pay cut and earn £40k a year instead because of some false sense of loyalty to a company. You would still be making about £15k a year more than the average salary. It sounds stupid.
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Doing it as an annual salary for a normal person is not a fair comparison. I would stay at Spurs for 40k a week rather than leave for 80k somewhere else. However the difference between earning 40k or 80k per year is huge.
I do understand the likes of Bale leaving a club he is not that attached to so that he can go and win trophies though
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How is it any different? The absolute amount definitely is but you are still asking a footballer to make £30k a week instead of £80k a week for instance.
Of course his life is already comfortable but they are not living to your standard of life. In the same way than someone on £80k a year isn't living to the standard of life which someone on £25k a year is.
You can argue this at any level because even a person who has accumulated a billion in wealth will be comparing themselves to others. Yes, they are living a brilliant life but the person down the road might have £20bn which means they have a super yacht and the person with £1bn doesn't.
Strip it down to our level and it means the person on £80k can buy a new Mercedes or BMW whilst the person on £25k rides a bicycle or takes transport.
It's relative but why not maximise your earnings? It's honestly down to a bit of jealousy and envy for other's position but given the opportunity you'd likely do the same.
posted on 26/7/18
What can you afford on £120k per week that you couldn't afford on £70k per week?
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Missing 50k per week over a number of years, makes a hell of a difference.
posted on 26/7/18
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 23 seconds ago
As to the main question in the OP, money is definitely a factor, just as it is for most people in their profession, but I think the other question you ask needs addressing too.
Yes, given the opportunity most pros would most certainly want to test themselves at the highest level. Nowadays, that's the Champions League.
It's worth remembering that virtually every pro has invested his entire youth in pursuing a dream, and for the vast majority of those who make it to a high enough level, they're not just going to stop there without trying to see it through right to the end.
The fact that a few might be lured away to non-CL clubs doesn't automatically imply that all those who play CL footy are motivated by money alone.
Furthermore, when a player does move to a non-CL club for higher wages, there's generally also a sporting project at that club that makes CL footy seem quite feasible within one or two seasons. Arsenal, Chelsea or other similar clubs offer decent propositions and have other selling points too. The player will often be wooed by the promise of him being central to their project too, whereas he might not have been made to feel so essential by CL clubs.
Finally, do not underestimate the influence of agents. Players are generally very young, and very often not all that mature. If the player's not all that assertive about who he plays for, then an agent may well decide to push the selling points of whoever's offering better wages and/or a bigger commission for the agent himself.
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Thanks that was a very well thought out comment and I do agree with a lot of what you say. Agents have become a scurge. I understand the need to negotiate on behalf of footballers who often do not have a lot of education but modern day agents are little more than parasites.
posted on 26/7/18
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
The issue I can see is that because it's so much money, the difference between 70k a week and 120k a week is nothing.
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sorry but
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Would you like 3.64 million a year, or 6.2 million a year?
Meh, not fussed mate near enough the same anyway.
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Not fussed? taking 3 mil or 6 mil per year?
Of course you take 6 mil for fack sake. Its not nothing, its facking double the pay.
Remember you are out of this well paid job around 35, you still have another 50-60 years to live.
If you want live a rich life and hang on to the luxury you better take that 6 mil.
posted on 26/7/18
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
The issue I can see is that because it's so much money, the difference between 70k a week and 120k a week is nothing.
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sorry but
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Would you like 3.64 million a year, or 6.2 million a year?
Meh, not fussed mate near enough the same anyway.
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Not fussed? taking 3 mil or 6 mil per year?
Of course you take 6 mil for fack sake. Its not nothing, its facking double the pay.
Remember you are out of this well paid job around 35, you still have another 50-60 years to live.
If you want live a rich life and hang on to the luxury you better take that 6 mil.
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I thought I had made it clear I was not serious, my apologies.
posted on 26/7/18
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you were on £80k a year would you be happy to take a pay cut and earn £40k a year instead because of some false sense of loyalty to a company. You would still be making about £15k a year more than the average salary. It sounds stupid.
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Doing it as an annual salary for a normal person is not a fair comparison. I would stay at Spurs for 40k a week rather than leave for 80k somewhere else. However the difference between earning 40k or 80k per year is huge.
I do understand the likes of Bale leaving a club he is not that attached to so that he can go and win trophies though
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How is it any different? The absolute amount definitely is but you are still asking a footballer to make £30k a week instead of £80k a week for instance.
Of course his life is already comfortable but they are not living to your standard of life. In the same way than someone on £80k a year isn't living to the standard of life which someone on £25k a year is.
You can argue this at any level because even a person who has accumulated a billion in wealth will be comparing themselves to others. Yes, they are living a brilliant life but the person down the road might have £20bn which means they have a super yacht and the person with £1bn doesn't.
Strip it down to our level and it means the person on £80k can buy a new Mercedes or BMW whilst the person on £25k rides a bicycle or takes transport.
It's relative but why not maximise your earnings? It's honestly down to a bit of jealousy and envy for other's position but given the opportunity you'd likely do the same.
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I will admit I will never be in the position to decide if I want £3m a year at one job or £6m elsewhere. But can you not see my point in your own comment?
Let's compare £25k a year with £80k a year. £25k a year probably means cycling to work or getting public transport. Especially in London. But £80k a year opens up the possibility of home ownership, possibly even second home ownership depending on where you live. You can afford to run an expensive car if that is what you want to do with your money.
Twice as much money per year when you are already a multi millionaire is stuff like more expensive sports cars, more expensive watches, buying older bottles of champagne. Do these things really improve a person's quality of life?
posted on 26/7/18
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posted on 26/7/18
comment by Number-Eight (U9729)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
The issue I can see is that because it's so much money, the difference between 70k a week and 120k a week is nothing.
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sorry but
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Would you like 3.64 million a year, or 6.2 million a year?
Meh, not fussed mate near enough the same anyway.
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Not fussed? taking 3 mil or 6 mil per year?
Of course you take 6 mil for fack sake. Its not nothing, its facking double the pay.
Remember you are out of this well paid job around 35, you still have another 50-60 years to live.
If you want live a rich life and hang on to the luxury you better take that 6 mil.
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I thought I had made it clear I was not serious, my apologies.
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lolz... it was pretty obvs
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Mega lolz or just lolz?
posted on 26/7/18
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you were on £80k a year would you be happy to take a pay cut and earn £40k a year instead because of some false sense of loyalty to a company. You would still be making about £15k a year more than the average salary. It sounds stupid.
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Doing it as an annual salary for a normal person is not a fair comparison. I would stay at Spurs for 40k a week rather than leave for 80k somewhere else. However the difference between earning 40k or 80k per year is huge.
I do understand the likes of Bale leaving a club he is not that attached to so that he can go and win trophies though
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How is it any different? The absolute amount definitely is but you are still asking a footballer to make £30k a week instead of £80k a week for instance.
Of course his life is already comfortable but they are not living to your standard of life. In the same way than someone on £80k a year isn't living to the standard of life which someone on £25k a year is.
You can argue this at any level because even a person who has accumulated a billion in wealth will be comparing themselves to others. Yes, they are living a brilliant life but the person down the road might have £20bn which means they have a super yacht and the person with £1bn doesn't.
Strip it down to our level and it means the person on £80k can buy a new Mercedes or BMW whilst the person on £25k rides a bicycle or takes transport.
It's relative but why not maximise your earnings? It's honestly down to a bit of jealousy and envy for other's position but given the opportunity you'd likely do the same.
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I will admit I will never be in the position to decide if I want £3m a year at one job or £6m elsewhere. But can you not see my point in your own comment?
Let's compare £25k a year with £80k a year. £25k a year probably means cycling to work or getting public transport. Especially in London. But £80k a year opens up the possibility of home ownership, possibly even second home ownership depending on where you live. You can afford to run an expensive car if that is what you want to do with your money.
Twice as much money per year when you are already a multi millionaire is stuff like more expensive sports cars, more expensive watches, buying older bottles of champagne. Do these things really improve a person's quality of life?
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Probably, for a 22 year old footballer, as bad as it sounds.
More to the point though, over a whole career, that could be an extra £30m earned - so it's not just about what type of watch you can afford, you can be paying for your kids houses, their kids and grandkids houses, and future generations to be secure for life too.
posted on 26/7/18
comment by Mike (U1170)
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The issue I can see is that because it's so much money, the difference between 70k a week and 120k a week is nothing.
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sorry but
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Would you like 3.64 million a year, or 6.2 million a year?
Meh, not fussed mate near enough the same anyway.
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Not fussed? taking 3 mil or 6 mil per year?
Of course you take 6 mil for fack sake. Its not nothing, its facking double the pay.
Remember you are out of this well paid job around 35, you still have another 50-60 years to live.
If you want live a rich life and hang on to the luxury you better take that 6 mil.
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I thought I had made it clear I was not serious, my apologies.
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Sorry Mike, I didnt realise
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I completely understand but there are different levels which to you seem irrelevant. Given the opportunity why would you NOT want to have a portfolio of 10 real estates rather than 3?
Yes they are already multi-millionaires but refusing additional millions would be a stupid move to be honest. That extra wealth could secure the future of not just their children but their children's children.
You also disregard that once they retire, none of them are thinking about "let me take a step back and sit at my porch rocking back and forth" - they are still only 35 years old and want to continue living that lifestyle.
Having the opportunity to gain as much wealth in those 15 years is not to be taken for granted. So yes they would be comfortable earning £5m during that time and live better than 99% of people but who in their right mind wouldn't want to make £20m instead. All of that to just be ignored because of a false sense of loyalty with the fans?
posted on 26/7/18
comment by Brother (U20548)
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comment by sandy (U20567)
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Most footballers get paid more in a year than most normal people make in a lifetime of graft. So it is total bollox to say their life as a footballer is short, so they need to make lots of money before they are say 35. They can make more than enough by the time they are 24 to live a very comfortable lifestyle, out of the reach of nearly all of us. So they really they do not need to change clubs for a few quid more.
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Load of nonsense. Why are we comparing a footballer at the peak of his game to a normal person? Comparing like for like it would be CEO's being compared with footballers if we were to use this terrible analogy.
Footballers work ridiculously hard, have to be ridiculously disciplined with what they do, are literally the best in their profession, have to endure really high levels of stress/anxiety and work in a financially lucrative industry. Them wanting the best for themselves is not an issue at all.
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Edinbore
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Phenumb
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Mike
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I think where you stand on this arguement depends on your attitude to money. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
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Sister
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posted on 26/7/18
comment by Brother (U20548)
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Thanks that was a very well thought out comment and I do agree with a lot of what you say. Agents have become a scurge. I understand the need to negotiate on behalf of footballers who often do not have a lot of education but modern day agents are little more than parasites.
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Some perhaps, but they also invariably get a bad rap from fans and clubs, forgetting that their commit is to seek what's best for the players they represent.
Take the much maligned Mino Raiola, for example. Even though he makes a killing on the transfers he brokers, he also gets astonishingly good deals for the players he works for.
posted on 26/7/18
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 1 minute ago
I think where you stand on this arguement depends on your attitude to money. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
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Not at all.
The stance on a player who leaves a club for more money is not mutually exclusive with one's views on the ridiculous sums of money in the game. Yet ultimately I do sympathise with footballers in that sense because despite being vastly overpaid, they are one of the few overpaid industries that are constantly in the public eye and constantly get criticised for being overpaid.
I would much rather go for more important things first like: people who avoid tax, IB's who manipulate the market for personal wealth, CEO's getting paid silly salaries etc. Than some people who work 90 hour weeks, sacrifice their lifestyle, get about a weeks holiday a year all for the entertainment of hundreds of millions of people.
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comment by Edinspur (U1109)
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comment by Brother (U20548)
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I think where you stand on this arguement depends on your attitude to money. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
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Not at all.
The stance on a player who leaves a club for more money is not mutually exclusive with one's views on the ridiculous sums of money in the game. Yet ultimately I do sympathise with footballers in that sense because despite being vastly overpaid, they are one of the few overpaid industries that are constantly in the public eye and constantly get criticised for being overpaid.
I would much rather go for more important things first like: people who avoid tax, IB's who manipulate the market for personal wealth, CEO's getting paid silly salaries etc. Than some people who work 90 hour weeks, sacrifice their lifestyle, get about a weeks holiday a year all for the entertainment of hundreds of millions of people.
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Good point about footballers getting constantly criticised for earning a lot of money. They get it even worse than bankers. And while not always true, as a general rule the clubs and players pay income tax. Often at the full rate rather than set up tax dodges to keep even more of their money. So through taxation the money in football does a lot of good.
Though a few years ago Arsenal had some tax avoidance scam going where their footballers were 'running' some kind of individual business so they could pay tax at a lower rate. I don't know if this is still the case.
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