I find Levys ego means he obv gets a kick out of strikig bargain deals or saving money.
People point to the Moura deal as proof he pulled off a major coup, whilst getting a bargain at the same time.
Truth is Moura was available for a knockdown fee as was touted to may clubs.
I know Inter were interested but tbh not many big teams wanted to take a punt. Thats not bargaining thats a low price because of little demand.
Still credit to him for getting it done and its good value for sure imo but Levy has wasted money on several strikers an Sissoko for big money.
Its also hard to gauge how many deals havent got over the line because Levys negotiation technique...leave it late...offer way less than they ask.
Bargains are great but who remembers all the flops Fergie signed for hugeee sums?not many people cos they were spending what they earned and were winning trophies.
Levy should be in charge of finance...not the club imo
Its also hard to gauge how many deals havent got over the line because Levys negotiation technique...leave it late...offer way less than they ask.
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Cahill, Berahino, Damiao, and Mane spring to mind, to add to Moutinho.
The Mane one is ridiculous because we ended up spending only a little bit less on Sissoko, and who knows what we'd have done that season with Mane in the squad instead of Sissoko.
Spurs were a mess when levy took over and he has done a good job. However, Spurs are a massive club and were always likely to re-establish themselves as a top 6 team.
What really frustrates me about levy is he doesn't see the bigger picture. The Liverpool owners are only there for business reasons but have realised that they have a world class manager who needs to be backed to grow the club and also their value.
Levy has wasted a huge opportunity to establish us as a top team whilst Poch and the top players are here. I do think unless Poch is backed in January this will be his last season with us.
The World Cup was unprecedented in terms of number of players making the semi finals, but when you’re one of the top clubs in Europe you can hardly be surprised that your players get called up. Signing loads of players from the same countries was the choice of the club.
Levy should be in charge of finance...not the club imo
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in most big businesses the finance team also more or less run the club... its just the nature of finance
"also, before he came the mindset at this club was rotten from the core. from the players to the fans we all had a loser mentality. a bit of good attacking football and a win against arsenal was a good season.
that's probably his biggest achievement, dragging us out of the rut of mediocrity that was poisoning the club."
Great post, more Spurs fans need to read this, especially those who think after a couple of defeats that everything needs to change.
Good debate chaps..... Cheers for playin
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. Mopo's #1 fan. (U7905)
posted 17 minutes ago
Spurs were a mess when levy took over and he has done a good job. However, Spurs are a massive club and were always likely to re-establish themselves as a top 6 team.
What really frustrates me about levy is he doesn't see the bigger picture. The Liverpool owners are only there for business reasons but have realised that they have a world class manager who needs to be backed to grow the club and also their value.
Levy has wasted a huge opportunity to establish us as a top team whilst Poch and the top players are here. I do think unless Poch is backed in January this will be his last season with us.
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not sure I agree with your first point. its by no means a given that a big club will automatically gravitate towards the top. I mean look at Leeds. classic example of what mis management at the top can do to you. Newcastle and Forest aren't as big in my opinion but look at them. and the Villa example is the best of them all.... it wasn't long ago that we were neck and neck with them for 4th / 5th ! look at them now. cant get themselves out of the championship.
I also disagree with your second point. if anything levy sees the bigger picture more than most, maybe even too much, which is why he is always playing the long game. there is a balance to be had between recklessness driven by desire for short term success at the expense of the long term well being of the club (see leeds), and absolutely no ambition whatsoever (see Newcastle).
your third point I can understand more.... we were on the cusp of greatness for a couple of seasons in a row, and fell short... we should have taken a bit more of a risk... ..... but it coincided with when the club was undertaking huge changes with the stadium, training ground, NFL deal, etc etc .
its a shame, but spurs seems to be a very complicated club to run at the moment, and levy is doing overall a good job.
I say that levy doesn't see the bigger picture as he often works within false economies. For example, he will always wait until the last minute to buy a player as it's supposedly better value (don't personally agree with this logic as the likes of Sissoko cost £30m on deadline day). But let's say for the sake of it you could save £2m buying at the end of August. Buying in May gives the player a whole pre season under Poch and gets them up to speed, in real terms imo this is more value than a monetary £2m.
Similarly, the inability to back Poch this summer. Our revenue was £300m in the last year at WHL. Factor in Wembley and a decent champions league run that must now be north of £350m, similar to Liverpool. We could have competed and got some top players we desperately needed. With this investment we would most likely have established ourselves as a real contender and likely grow revenues off that.
I just feel manager's like Poch come along one a generation and we really should have backed him better
Poch seems a manager who doesn't want many signings though... he wants a small squad to work with. so while there are definitely some positions that need upgrading, I reckon poch is very very picky about who comes in.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Its also hard to gauge how many deals havent got over the line because Levys negotiation technique...leave it late...offer way less than they ask.
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Cahill, Berahino, Damiao, and Mane spring to mind, to add to Moutinho.
The Mane one is ridiculous because we ended up spending only a little bit less on Sissoko, and who knows what we'd have done that season with Mane in the squad instead of Sissoko.
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Mate don't EVEN GET ME STARTED. This is the one thing I am angriest about. We didn't want to meet Mane's fee then signed Sissoko and paid him higher wages than Mane (apparently). Would have won the league with Mane that season. FEWMIN.
cahill and berahino were both bullets dodged to be fair.
damiao has achieved nothing.
Mane is the only problem one of the 4 above.
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
Levy should be in charge of finance...not the club imo
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in most big businesses the finance team also more or less run the club... its just the nature of finance
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I disagree mate. They are defo one of the most important departments but they would simply say what resource/money is available the it would be down to the board/boss etc to determine how they spend it.
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
Levy should be in charge of finance...not the club imo
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in most big businesses the finance team also more or less run the club... its just the nature of finance
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I disagree mate. They are defo one of the most important departments but they would simply say what resource/money is available the it would be down to the board/boss etc to determine how they spend it.
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ok it depends what industry I guess... what you described sounds like a treasury department, or possibly accounts... rather than finance, which ususally includes financial planning and analysis and business sstrategy / partnering departments too..
albeit that's in my rather limited experience
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Its also hard to gauge how many deals havent got over the line because Levys negotiation technique...leave it late...offer way less than they ask.
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Cahill, Berahino, Damiao, and Mane spring to mind, to add to Moutinho.
The Mane one is ridiculous because we ended up spending only a little bit less on Sissoko, and who knows what we'd have done that season with Mane in the squad instead of Sissoko.
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Mate don't EVEN GET ME STARTED. This is the one thing I am angriest about. We didn't want to meet Mane's fee then signed Sissoko and paid him higher wages than Mane (apparently). Would have won the league with Mane that season. FEWMIN.
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Absolutely horrendous decision. There was absolutely nothing to suggest we should sign Sissoko.
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posted on 20/9/18
I find Levys ego means he obv gets a kick out of strikig bargain deals or saving money.
People point to the Moura deal as proof he pulled off a major coup, whilst getting a bargain at the same time.
Truth is Moura was available for a knockdown fee as was touted to may clubs.
I know Inter were interested but tbh not many big teams wanted to take a punt. Thats not bargaining thats a low price because of little demand.
Still credit to him for getting it done and its good value for sure imo but Levy has wasted money on several strikers an Sissoko for big money.
Its also hard to gauge how many deals havent got over the line because Levys negotiation technique...leave it late...offer way less than they ask.
Bargains are great but who remembers all the flops Fergie signed for hugeee sums?not many people cos they were spending what they earned and were winning trophies.
Levy should be in charge of finance...not the club imo
posted on 20/9/18
Its also hard to gauge how many deals havent got over the line because Levys negotiation technique...leave it late...offer way less than they ask.
-------------
Cahill, Berahino, Damiao, and Mane spring to mind, to add to Moutinho.
The Mane one is ridiculous because we ended up spending only a little bit less on Sissoko, and who knows what we'd have done that season with Mane in the squad instead of Sissoko.
posted on 20/9/18
Spurs were a mess when levy took over and he has done a good job. However, Spurs are a massive club and were always likely to re-establish themselves as a top 6 team.
What really frustrates me about levy is he doesn't see the bigger picture. The Liverpool owners are only there for business reasons but have realised that they have a world class manager who needs to be backed to grow the club and also their value.
Levy has wasted a huge opportunity to establish us as a top team whilst Poch and the top players are here. I do think unless Poch is backed in January this will be his last season with us.
posted on 20/9/18
The World Cup was unprecedented in terms of number of players making the semi finals, but when you’re one of the top clubs in Europe you can hardly be surprised that your players get called up. Signing loads of players from the same countries was the choice of the club.
posted on 20/9/18
Levy should be in charge of finance...not the club imo
---------
in most big businesses the finance team also more or less run the club... its just the nature of finance
posted on 20/9/18
"also, before he came the mindset at this club was rotten from the core. from the players to the fans we all had a loser mentality. a bit of good attacking football and a win against arsenal was a good season.
that's probably his biggest achievement, dragging us out of the rut of mediocrity that was poisoning the club."
Great post, more Spurs fans need to read this, especially those who think after a couple of defeats that everything needs to change.
posted on 20/9/18
Good debate chaps..... Cheers for playin
posted on 20/9/18
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. Mopo's #1 fan. (U7905)
posted 17 minutes ago
Spurs were a mess when levy took over and he has done a good job. However, Spurs are a massive club and were always likely to re-establish themselves as a top 6 team.
What really frustrates me about levy is he doesn't see the bigger picture. The Liverpool owners are only there for business reasons but have realised that they have a world class manager who needs to be backed to grow the club and also their value.
Levy has wasted a huge opportunity to establish us as a top team whilst Poch and the top players are here. I do think unless Poch is backed in January this will be his last season with us.
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not sure I agree with your first point. its by no means a given that a big club will automatically gravitate towards the top. I mean look at Leeds. classic example of what mis management at the top can do to you. Newcastle and Forest aren't as big in my opinion but look at them. and the Villa example is the best of them all.... it wasn't long ago that we were neck and neck with them for 4th / 5th ! look at them now. cant get themselves out of the championship.
I also disagree with your second point. if anything levy sees the bigger picture more than most, maybe even too much, which is why he is always playing the long game. there is a balance to be had between recklessness driven by desire for short term success at the expense of the long term well being of the club (see leeds), and absolutely no ambition whatsoever (see Newcastle).
your third point I can understand more.... we were on the cusp of greatness for a couple of seasons in a row, and fell short... we should have taken a bit more of a risk... ..... but it coincided with when the club was undertaking huge changes with the stadium, training ground, NFL deal, etc etc .
its a shame, but spurs seems to be a very complicated club to run at the moment, and levy is doing overall a good job.
posted on 20/9/18
I say that levy doesn't see the bigger picture as he often works within false economies. For example, he will always wait until the last minute to buy a player as it's supposedly better value (don't personally agree with this logic as the likes of Sissoko cost £30m on deadline day). But let's say for the sake of it you could save £2m buying at the end of August. Buying in May gives the player a whole pre season under Poch and gets them up to speed, in real terms imo this is more value than a monetary £2m.
Similarly, the inability to back Poch this summer. Our revenue was £300m in the last year at WHL. Factor in Wembley and a decent champions league run that must now be north of £350m, similar to Liverpool. We could have competed and got some top players we desperately needed. With this investment we would most likely have established ourselves as a real contender and likely grow revenues off that.
I just feel manager's like Poch come along one a generation and we really should have backed him better
posted on 20/9/18
Poch seems a manager who doesn't want many signings though... he wants a small squad to work with. so while there are definitely some positions that need upgrading, I reckon poch is very very picky about who comes in.
posted on 20/9/18
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Its also hard to gauge how many deals havent got over the line because Levys negotiation technique...leave it late...offer way less than they ask.
-------------
Cahill, Berahino, Damiao, and Mane spring to mind, to add to Moutinho.
The Mane one is ridiculous because we ended up spending only a little bit less on Sissoko, and who knows what we'd have done that season with Mane in the squad instead of Sissoko.
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Mate don't EVEN GET ME STARTED. This is the one thing I am angriest about. We didn't want to meet Mane's fee then signed Sissoko and paid him higher wages than Mane (apparently). Would have won the league with Mane that season. FEWMIN.
posted on 20/9/18
cahill and berahino were both bullets dodged to be fair.
damiao has achieved nothing.
Mane is the only problem one of the 4 above.
posted on 20/9/18
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
Levy should be in charge of finance...not the club imo
---------
in most big businesses the finance team also more or less run the club... its just the nature of finance
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I disagree mate. They are defo one of the most important departments but they would simply say what resource/money is available the it would be down to the board/boss etc to determine how they spend it.
posted on 20/9/18
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
Levy should be in charge of finance...not the club imo
---------
in most big businesses the finance team also more or less run the club... its just the nature of finance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I disagree mate. They are defo one of the most important departments but they would simply say what resource/money is available the it would be down to the board/boss etc to determine how they spend it.
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ok it depends what industry I guess... what you described sounds like a treasury department, or possibly accounts... rather than finance, which ususally includes financial planning and analysis and business sstrategy / partnering departments too..
albeit that's in my rather limited experience
posted on 20/9/18
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Its also hard to gauge how many deals havent got over the line because Levys negotiation technique...leave it late...offer way less than they ask.
-------------
Cahill, Berahino, Damiao, and Mane spring to mind, to add to Moutinho.
The Mane one is ridiculous because we ended up spending only a little bit less on Sissoko, and who knows what we'd have done that season with Mane in the squad instead of Sissoko.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mate don't EVEN GET ME STARTED. This is the one thing I am angriest about. We didn't want to meet Mane's fee then signed Sissoko and paid him higher wages than Mane (apparently). Would have won the league with Mane that season. FEWMIN.
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Absolutely horrendous decision. There was absolutely nothing to suggest we should sign Sissoko.
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