Silva and Aguero are going to be very difficult to replace.
City have the funds and coach to mitigate the loss but players like these two don’t come around very often.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 minutes ago
I wouldn't say it was an embarrassment at all. Comfortably beaten but we weren't playing a poor team. Other than the keeper and possibly Martial there's not a single player they'd want of ours.
Didn't get embarrassed at all but City just too good for us as they are for everyone else too.
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Not mocking but martial or de Gea wouldn’t get in our team.
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I think you are right. Martial definitely under Pep can get in- I believe he is more talented than Sterling and definitely a better finisher. If Sterling can become calmer in the box, deadly player
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Stirling is far better than martial under pep, imagine what he could do under him.
As it stands Stirling is a better player and the stats and performances show that.
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 minutes ago
I wouldn't say it was an embarrassment at all. Comfortably beaten but we weren't playing a poor team. Other than the keeper and possibly Martial there's not a single player they'd want of ours.
Didn't get embarrassed at all but City just too good for us as they are for everyone else too.
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Not mocking but martial or de Gea wouldn’t get in our team.
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I think you are right. Martial definitely under Pep can get in- I believe he is more talented than Sterling and definitely a better finisher. If Sterling can become calmer in the box, deadly player
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Stirling is far better than martial under pep, imagine what he could do under him.
As it stands Stirling is a better player and the stats and performances show that.
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Yet Sterling did nothing and Martial scored yet another fantastic goal?
Stirling really piisses me off he cant fall over in the prem without scoring but for England he couldnt hit the floor if he fell over.
No gripes about the result today whatsoever but how on earth does Fernandinho get away with the constant fouling?
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
No gripes about the result today whatsoever but how on earth does Fernandinho get away with the constant fouling?
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He had the same number of fouls as Lingard did.
Yeah because he kept getting away with fouling without the whistle being blown.
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Other than David Silva, I wouldn't say there was a gulf in class player wise, they play with more freedom and confidence, a lot more confidence, but that is down to coaching
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I would disagree. Our cb's are better. Fernandinho is a level above matic. Sterling is better than rashford or lingard and sergio is better than lukaku.
I was surprised sanchez didnt start and I thought herrara had a shocker.
Didn’t think he did that much today at all, you didn’t have the ball in enough dangerous positions for him to need to.
It was probably four fouls. Less than lingard and rashford and fellaini. That would be a guess tho.
We went into this game in 8th place in the league. We didn't need the derby game to know there's a gulf in class between the two squads. We've wasted so much money on mediocre players it's scary.
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Other than David Silva, I wouldn't say there was a gulf in class player wise, they play with more freedom and confidence, a lot more confidence, but that is down to coaching
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I would disagree. Our cb's are better. Fernandinho is a level above matic. Sterling is better than rashford or lingard and sergio is better than lukaku.
I was surprised sanchez didnt start and I thought herrara had a shocker.
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Yeah Fernandinho too maybe but I don't think as individuals city are streets ahead, Guardiola has transformed a lot of those players and as a result the team play superb football, great coaches elevate players
Not the money wasted on players it’s your manager and club doesn’t know what your style and way you f playing is.
All banter aside you must agree on that.
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
We went into this game in 8th place in the league. We didn't need the derby game to know there's a gulf in class between the two squads. We've wasted so much money on mediocre players it's scary.
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To defend jose tho. Pep made errors with bravo and nolito. He was given money to replace them, jose hasnt.
Their squad is on a different level to ours.
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not the money wasted on players it’s your manager and club doesn’t know what your style and way you f playing is.
All banter aside you must agree on that.
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Don't think any of us reds have ever disagreed with this. It's a weird situation as nobody seems to know what they're doing. Just seem to go out into games without a real plan really and rely on big moments to get us through.
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
We went into this game in 8th place in the league. We didn't need the derby game to know there's a gulf in class between the two squads. We've wasted so much money on mediocre players it's scary.
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To defend jose tho. Pep made errors with bravo and nolito. He was given money to replace them, jose hasnt.
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He's been given more money than Jose but Jose has had more than enough to get us closer than this too. It's definitely not just down to money. City have spent wiser and had a plan too.
Good answer and that has to go down to the manager.
He’s had how long now?
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 4 minutes ago
Good answer and that has to go down to the manager.
He’s had how long now?
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Too long for me now.
However I don't think failing to finish in front of this City team is a blight on his record at all. However the way we play and the way he's treated some of our players hasn't been good to see.
I can't see him being here next season and we can only hope the next guy gets us a hell of a lot closer to you lot which we should be really given that we are one club who can actually match your spending.
For all the things I dislike about City as a club right now, you can only but admire the way they play the game. Great football.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
No gripes about the result today whatsoever but how on earth does Fernandinho get away with the constant fouling?
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He had the same number of fouls as Lingard did.
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Yeah, completely comparable fouls...
Pep has a group of players superbly proficient at committing well-timed, well-performed professional fouls for players who have never been instructed to commit professional fouls.
The comment i replied to said constant fouling, hence why I pointed out the quantity.
In terms of professional fouls, he didn’t really do that today that much as he didn’t need to, you didn’t bother with a transition phase when you attacked most of the time. When you did, he won the ball back without committing a foul.
He had one tackle today that I thought could and shouldhave been a yellow. Having said that though, I thought Smalling was lucky to not get worse (and didn’t get anything at all).
Fernandinho had two absolutely nailed on, counterattack killing, nowhere near the ball, trip from behind fouls today, without a yellow in sight.
Wouldn’t have changed the game, wouldn’t have delivered a different result, but I wonder how many games he’d miss each season through suspension if he were ever picked up on it.
And the idea that Pep has never suggested to his players - not ever, not even once in his career - that there might be times that they might want to consider conceding a free kick to stop a breakaway is a bad joke. Not sure why he thought anyone would believe that particular porkie.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 12 hours, 56 minutes ago
*bravo aside
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Agreed. The difference is, Guardiola recognised he'd got it wrong & corrected it with Ederson. Mourinho seems to think if he does the same thing long enough, it'll somehow start working.
Simply making excuses for why it's everyone else's fault is not good enough from a United manager.
I saw one rather than two, but then I also agree with Guardiola that if that’s a yellow, then there should be a lot more given for teams against us too.
In terms of the suspension argument then yes I take the point, although again I’d argue there was one potential red card yesterday and that wasn’t for us...
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posted on 11/11/18
Silva and Aguero are going to be very difficult to replace.
City have the funds and coach to mitigate the loss but players like these two don’t come around very often.
posted on 11/11/18
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 minutes ago
I wouldn't say it was an embarrassment at all. Comfortably beaten but we weren't playing a poor team. Other than the keeper and possibly Martial there's not a single player they'd want of ours.
Didn't get embarrassed at all but City just too good for us as they are for everyone else too.
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Not mocking but martial or de Gea wouldn’t get in our team.
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I think you are right. Martial definitely under Pep can get in- I believe he is more talented than Sterling and definitely a better finisher. If Sterling can become calmer in the box, deadly player
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Stirling is far better than martial under pep, imagine what he could do under him.
As it stands Stirling is a better player and the stats and performances show that.
posted on 11/11/18
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 minutes ago
I wouldn't say it was an embarrassment at all. Comfortably beaten but we weren't playing a poor team. Other than the keeper and possibly Martial there's not a single player they'd want of ours.
Didn't get embarrassed at all but City just too good for us as they are for everyone else too.
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Not mocking but martial or de Gea wouldn’t get in our team.
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I think you are right. Martial definitely under Pep can get in- I believe he is more talented than Sterling and definitely a better finisher. If Sterling can become calmer in the box, deadly player
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Stirling is far better than martial under pep, imagine what he could do under him.
As it stands Stirling is a better player and the stats and performances show that.
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Yet Sterling did nothing and Martial scored yet another fantastic goal?
posted on 11/11/18
Stirling really piisses me off he cant fall over in the prem without scoring but for England he couldnt hit the floor if he fell over.
posted on 11/11/18
No gripes about the result today whatsoever but how on earth does Fernandinho get away with the constant fouling?
posted on 11/11/18
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
No gripes about the result today whatsoever but how on earth does Fernandinho get away with the constant fouling?
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He had the same number of fouls as Lingard did.
posted on 11/11/18
Yeah because he kept getting away with fouling without the whistle being blown.
posted on 11/11/18
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Other than David Silva, I wouldn't say there was a gulf in class player wise, they play with more freedom and confidence, a lot more confidence, but that is down to coaching
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I would disagree. Our cb's are better. Fernandinho is a level above matic. Sterling is better than rashford or lingard and sergio is better than lukaku.
I was surprised sanchez didnt start and I thought herrara had a shocker.
posted on 11/11/18
Didn’t think he did that much today at all, you didn’t have the ball in enough dangerous positions for him to need to.
posted on 11/11/18
It was probably four fouls. Less than lingard and rashford and fellaini. That would be a guess tho.
posted on 11/11/18
We went into this game in 8th place in the league. We didn't need the derby game to know there's a gulf in class between the two squads. We've wasted so much money on mediocre players it's scary.
posted on 11/11/18
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Other than David Silva, I wouldn't say there was a gulf in class player wise, they play with more freedom and confidence, a lot more confidence, but that is down to coaching
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I would disagree. Our cb's are better. Fernandinho is a level above matic. Sterling is better than rashford or lingard and sergio is better than lukaku.
I was surprised sanchez didnt start and I thought herrara had a shocker.
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Yeah Fernandinho too maybe but I don't think as individuals city are streets ahead, Guardiola has transformed a lot of those players and as a result the team play superb football, great coaches elevate players
posted on 11/11/18
Not the money wasted on players it’s your manager and club doesn’t know what your style and way you f playing is.
All banter aside you must agree on that.
posted on 11/11/18
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
We went into this game in 8th place in the league. We didn't need the derby game to know there's a gulf in class between the two squads. We've wasted so much money on mediocre players it's scary.
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To defend jose tho. Pep made errors with bravo and nolito. He was given money to replace them, jose hasnt.
posted on 11/11/18
Their squad is on a different level to ours.
posted on 11/11/18
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not the money wasted on players it’s your manager and club doesn’t know what your style and way you f playing is.
All banter aside you must agree on that.
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Don't think any of us reds have ever disagreed with this. It's a weird situation as nobody seems to know what they're doing. Just seem to go out into games without a real plan really and rely on big moments to get us through.
posted on 11/11/18
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
We went into this game in 8th place in the league. We didn't need the derby game to know there's a gulf in class between the two squads. We've wasted so much money on mediocre players it's scary.
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To defend jose tho. Pep made errors with bravo and nolito. He was given money to replace them, jose hasnt.
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He's been given more money than Jose but Jose has had more than enough to get us closer than this too. It's definitely not just down to money. City have spent wiser and had a plan too.
posted on 11/11/18
Good answer and that has to go down to the manager.
He’s had how long now?
posted on 11/11/18
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 4 minutes ago
Good answer and that has to go down to the manager.
He’s had how long now?
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Too long for me now.
However I don't think failing to finish in front of this City team is a blight on his record at all. However the way we play and the way he's treated some of our players hasn't been good to see.
I can't see him being here next season and we can only hope the next guy gets us a hell of a lot closer to you lot which we should be really given that we are one club who can actually match your spending.
For all the things I dislike about City as a club right now, you can only but admire the way they play the game. Great football.
posted on 11/11/18
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
No gripes about the result today whatsoever but how on earth does Fernandinho get away with the constant fouling?
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He had the same number of fouls as Lingard did.
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Yeah, completely comparable fouls...
Pep has a group of players superbly proficient at committing well-timed, well-performed professional fouls for players who have never been instructed to commit professional fouls.
posted on 12/11/18
The comment i replied to said constant fouling, hence why I pointed out the quantity.
In terms of professional fouls, he didn’t really do that today that much as he didn’t need to, you didn’t bother with a transition phase when you attacked most of the time. When you did, he won the ball back without committing a foul.
He had one tackle today that I thought could and shouldhave been a yellow. Having said that though, I thought Smalling was lucky to not get worse (and didn’t get anything at all).
posted on 12/11/18
Fernandinho had two absolutely nailed on, counterattack killing, nowhere near the ball, trip from behind fouls today, without a yellow in sight.
Wouldn’t have changed the game, wouldn’t have delivered a different result, but I wonder how many games he’d miss each season through suspension if he were ever picked up on it.
And the idea that Pep has never suggested to his players - not ever, not even once in his career - that there might be times that they might want to consider conceding a free kick to stop a breakaway is a bad joke. Not sure why he thought anyone would believe that particular porkie.
posted on 12/11/18
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 12 hours, 56 minutes ago
*bravo aside
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Agreed. The difference is, Guardiola recognised he'd got it wrong & corrected it with Ederson. Mourinho seems to think if he does the same thing long enough, it'll somehow start working.
Simply making excuses for why it's everyone else's fault is not good enough from a United manager.
posted on 12/11/18
I saw one rather than two, but then I also agree with Guardiola that if that’s a yellow, then there should be a lot more given for teams against us too.
In terms of the suspension argument then yes I take the point, although again I’d argue there was one potential red card yesterday and that wasn’t for us...
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