comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 10 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 2 minutes ago
Godfather,
You didn't give me a yes or no answer, but I'll respond to the rest of your post...
The 'trash squads' we've had were largely because of him and his signings, though. Even before transfer fees went crazy, we were still comfortably outspending other clubs who ran us close for 4th.
There were also times when he did have a very good bunch of players and we just bottled it e.g. the 2010/11 season when we had Fabregas, Nasri, van Persie, Arshavin, prime Song, Walcott, Wilshere etc...criminal not to win anything that season, especially in the position we were in domestically and the fact we lost LC final to Birmingham.
Bottling the league title to Leicester City in 2016 should have been the final straw for any Arsenal fan, though. Never will we get a better opportunity to win the league than that.
As 8bit said, it's funny that we were doing better in the league when we weren't spending much money, yet now we have been, we've gotten progressively worse.
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We werent alone to bottling the title when Leicester won it. Even the big spenders around us couldnt stop them.
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How can you excuse our failure by saying ‘well the other 18 teams didn’t win it either’?
Bizarre reasoning.
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True that. Dont want to make an excuse for not doing it. Looking back we could discuss the same old reason we are having right now. Injuries, not doing the right thing in the transfer window and give every player competition which has to do with our financial situation.
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 9 hours, 7 minutes ago
Dude, football has changed so much in the years since Wenger came to Arsenal. Man U and Blackburn were Wenger’s main rivals - and yes, I’m being facetious including Rovers. Compare that to what we’re up against now!
Back then Wenger was a visionary who not only changed the culture of our club, but of top flight English football too. He also had pretty much a clear run at the largely unknown/untapped French market - something no manager now has the luxury of.
I doubt there’s a single person that expected anything approaching that instant turn around fom Emery. And if there was, and that’s what you’re basing your beef here on...? Well quite frankly, you’re just being silly.
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I am not expecting miracles neither to compete about the title. I expect a bit of improvement and real progress. Sorry, I cant see it. We arent competing even about CL places.
Season is done now. Again.
Godfather
Unlike others we had this conversation when Emery was actually doing well. You were incredulous that I suggested it would still be Wenger's fault if things turned bad because essentially Wenger constructed the squad. At that time you suggested why in that case Wenger shouldn't get the 'credit' for the unbeaten run? My point was that the upturn was mostly because of better tactics and some extra motivation by the players trying to impress a new manager. That can only last so long. So now we are going through a wobbly patch. Why don't you now want to give 'credit' to Wenger for the squad he constructed?
comment by Serial WUManiser™© - In Unai We Trust (U1410)
posted 7 hours, 40 minutes ago
It was obviously a wum comment you nonce. Only thing embarrassing is your well into your 20s and still a virgin
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A truly pitiful response from a truly pitiful poster and human being. Playground insults akin to a child
Cowardly, can't even stick to your guns with confidence and authority. 'wum comment'.. OK then
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 5 minutes ago
Godfather
Unlike others we had this conversation when Emery was actually doing well. You were incredulous that I suggested it would still be Wenger's fault if things turned bad because essentially Wenger constructed the squad. At that time you suggested why in that case Wenger shouldn't get the 'credit' for the unbeaten run? My point was that the upturn was mostly because of better tactics and some extra motivation by the players trying to impress a new manager. That can only last so long. So now we are going through a wobbly patch. Why don't you now want to give 'credit' to Wenger for the squad he constructed?
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Wait a second. We had that conversation because I correctly identified that if we were giving all credit to Emery for improvements then we couldn't them blame Wenger for (what at the time were not many) negative results.
Now we are in a bad patch the negative towards Wenger has increased as I predicted. Its a poor squad, Wenger spent all the money.
I was in the right. I was happy to give Emery credit when we were doing well but he should get blame when we do badly. Come on you are an intelligent person how can you not see this is the most balanced view to have.
My argument at the time was that whatever you do to improve players you are limited by their fallibilities. So if things go badly it will be Wenger's fault for having bought these group of players and you cannot give Wenger any credit for Emery's unbeaten run because essentially its Emery's impact that had got a reaction from them enough to go on that unbeaten run.
Now this at the time sounded very anti-Wenger to you but its the truth. You cannot blame Emery until the squad turns over to Emery's acquisitions.
What you can be critical of is that what has changed between the unbeaten run and now. Why are we now losing or drawing games that we were getting more positive results for just a few months ago.
And that can be simply down to
(a) Injuries coming to a ahead. Though we are getting players back they are not fully match fit.
(b) Teams have gotten wise to Emery's tactics and now he has to readjust.
(c) Some of what Emery was preaching to the likes of Xhaka etc. has started to wear of the players.
(d) Some of the squad are in limbo with regards to their futures.
(e) Emery's remarks were not helpful. It gives the impression that he is not sold on his squad and wants signings.
(f) Our new buys are not used to the physical nature of the fixtures and are now going through a down cycle.
We can only judge Emery at the end of the season. But for now this season has started to resemble last season. The only person you can blame for that is Wenger and his poor choices between 2012-2018!
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 42 minutes ago
My argument at the time was that whatever you do to improve players you are limited by their fallibilities. So if things go badly it will be Wenger's fault for having bought these group of players and you cannot give Wenger any credit for Emery's unbeaten run because essentially its Emery's impact that had got a reaction from them enough to go on that unbeaten run.
Now this at the time sounded very anti-Wenger to you but its the truth. You cannot blame Emery until the squad turns over to Emery's acquisitions.
What you can be critical of is that what has changed between the unbeaten run and now. Why are we now losing or drawing games that we were getting more positive results for just a few months ago.
And that can be simply down to
(a) Injuries coming to a ahead. Though we are getting players back they are not fully match fit.
(b) Teams have gotten wise to Emery's tactics and now he has to readjust.
(c) Some of what Emery was preaching to the likes of Xhaka etc. has started to wear of the players.
(d) Some of the squad are in limbo with regards to their futures.
(e) Emery's remarks were not helpful. It gives the impression that he is not sold on his squad and wants signings.
(f) Our new buys are not used to the physical nature of the fixtures and are now going through a down cycle.
We can only judge Emery at the end of the season. But for now this season has started to resemble last season. The only person you can blame for that is Wenger and his poor choices between 2012-2018!
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Excuses excuses excuses. Explain how we hadn't lost away to West ham for the last 11 games until Emery arrived? Or the fact we had best home record last season behind City but this season we cling on against Wolves
Turning point of season was after Leicester game which was one of best performances Ive seen for a while. Rather than push on and keep Ozil motivated to play like that every week, he started dropping him and other players such as Lacazette
"My argument at the time was that whatever you do to improve players you are limited by their fallibilities. So if things go badly it will be Wenger's fault for having bought these group of players and you cannot give Wenger any credit for Emery's unbeaten run because essentially its Emery's impact that had got a reaction from them enough to go on that unbeaten run.
Now this at the time sounded very anti-Wenger to you but its the truth. You cannot blame Emery until the squad turns over to Emery's acquisitions"
Quite frankly this is a load of old nonsense, let's be honest. If i was so inclined I could easily spin it another way. We have not had a strike force this good since RVP that one season. Toreirra is that signing we all said we desperately needed for decades. without these two key singings Wenger got us to a final, a semi final, had the second best home record. With aubameyang all year (and eligible for Europa} and Toreirra there is almost no doubt Wenger would have performed better than Emery is now
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 4 minutes ago
Excuses excuses excuses. Explain how we hadn't lost away to West ham for the last 11 games until Emery arrived? Or the fact we had best home record last season behind City but this season we cling on against Wolves
Turning point of season was after Leicester game which was one of best performances Ive seen for a while. Rather than push on and keep Ozil motivated to play like that every week, he started dropping him and other players such as Lacazette
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So what if we were unbeaten in 11 against West Ham away? West Ham also did the double over us when we first moved to The Emirates. They took 4 points off us in 2015/16 as well. Past results have no bearing on what will happen in future games against the same opponents.
Since you like bringing up stats and records though, here are ones Wenger broke:
Arsenal finished outside the top four in the Premier League for the second consecutive time. His two lowest league finishes (5th and 6th) since he took over at the club in 1996.
Arsenal were knocked out of the third round of the FA Cup for the first time in Wenger’s career.
In Europe, the Gunners are most successful team to have never won the Champions League, and they were the first side to concede 200 goals in the competition.
And while also being eliminated in the last-16 seven seasons in a row, a number of Arsenal’s worst defeats in Europe have come in the last decade.
In the Champions League, Arsenal lost 5-1 to Bayern Munich on three separate occasions between 2015 and 2017. Before then, there worst result was a 4-0 loss to AC Milan in 2012.
In the Premier League, we’ve lost 8-2 to Manchester United, 6-0 Chelsea, 5-1 to Liverpool and 6-3 to Manchester City - as well as a 4-0 drubbing to Southampton when they were on a 7-game losing streak - all in the last seven years.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 4 minutes ago
Excuses excuses excuses. Explain how we hadn't lost away to West ham for the last 11 games until Emery arrived? Or the fact we had best home record last season behind City but this season we cling on against Wolves
Turning point of season was after Leicester game which was one of best performances Ive seen for a while. Rather than push on and keep Ozil motivated to play like that every week, he started dropping him and other players such as Lacazette
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So what if we were unbeaten in 11 against West Ham away? West Ham also did the double over us when we first moved to The Emirates. They took 4 points off us in 2015/16 as well. Past results have no bearing on what will happen in future games against the same opponents.
Since you like bringing up stats and records though, here are ones Wenger broke:
Arsenal finished outside the top four in the Premier League for the second consecutive time. His two lowest league finishes (5th and 6th) since he took over at the club in 1996. 21 YEARS IN A ROW TOP 4. NO OTHER TEAM HAS COME CLOSE TO THAT APART FROM UNITED WHO MATCHED THAT I BELIEVE
Arsenal were knocked out of the third round of the FA Cup for the first time in Wenger’s CAREER. WENGER MOST SUCCESSFUL MANAGER OF ALL TIME IN THAT CUP WINNING 3 TIMES IN LAST 5 YEARS. CONSIDERING WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN DECLINE FOR THAT TIME PRETTY INCREDIBLE.
In Europe, the Gunners are most successful team to have never won the Champions League, and they were the first side to concede 200 goals in the competition.
BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE COMPETITION FAR MORE THAN WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DUE TO. OVERACHIEMENT. LET'S BE HONEST WITH OUR INVESTMENT WE HAD NO CHANCE
And while also being eliminated in the last-16 seven seasons in a row, a number of Arsenal’s worst defeats in Europe have come in the last DECADE. ONLY TEAM TO QUALIFY FROM OUR GROUP FOR 13 CONSECUTIVE YEARS APART FROM REAL MADRID I BELIEVE.
In the Champions League, Arsenal lost 5-1 to Bayern Munich on three separate occasions between 2015 and 2017. Before then, there worst result was a 4-0 loss to AC Milan in 2012.
In the Premier League, we’ve lost 8-2 to Manchester United, 6-0 Chelsea, 5-1 to Liverpool and 6-3 to Manchester City - as well as a 4-0 drubbing to Southampton when they were on a 7-game losing streak - all in the last seven YEARS. PICKING OUT BAD LOSSES IN 7 YEARS OF FOOTBALL IS REACHING MATE
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It's actually unbelievable that you're so oblivious to the flaws Wenger had. And it was only when it became abundantly clear that we were in an extremely vulnerable position of not getting CL football for a second consecutive year that you realised "Hmm. Maybe he should go now."
So many people forecasted our current woes and the cataclysmic disaster Wenger and Gazidis put in.
How do you not see that they are largely responsible for where we are currently?
That they are the reason we let our players run down their contracts, that we didn't get any money for players who wanted out, that we then gave bumper contracts to average players on high wages who have been difficult to shift, that we overspent badly on players who were never going to be good enough, that Wenger kept blind faith in certain underperforming players because of Wenger's purist ideals rather than objective reality, that we kept coaches at the club when ex-players came out and said the Arsenal coaches didn't help their development...
Maybe it's because you idolise the man, but there's no getting away from it. He has left with the club in a terrible state, both financially and in terms of personnel.
If you want to be wilfully ignorant of that, then that's your choice.
But many Arsenal fans are not fools.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 4 minutes ago
It's actually unbelievable that you're so oblivious to the flaws Wenger had. And it was only when it became abundantly clear that we were in an extremely vulnerable position of not getting CL football for a second consecutive year that you realised "Hmm. Maybe he should go now."
So many people forecasted our current woes and the cataclysmic disaster Wenger and Gazidis put in.
How do you not see that they are largely responsible for where we are currently?
That they are the reason we let our players run down their contracts, that we didn't get any money for players who wanted out, that we then gave bumper contracts to average players on high wages who have been difficult to shift, that we overspent badly on players who were never going to be good enough, that Wenger kept blind faith in certain underperforming players because of Wenger's purist ideals rather than objective reality, that we kept coaches at the club when ex-players came out and said the Arsenal coaches didn't help their development...
Maybe it's because you idolise the man, but there's no getting away from it. He has left with the club in a terrible state, both financially and in terms of personnel.
If you want to be wilfully ignorant of that, then that's your choice.
But many Arsenal fans are not fools.
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comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's actually unbelievable that you're so oblivious to the flaws Wenger had. And it was only when it became abundantly clear that we were in an extremely vulnerable position of not getting CL football for a second consecutive year that you realised "Hmm. Maybe he should go now."
So many people forecasted our current woes and the cataclysmic disaster Wenger and Gazidis put in.
How do you not see that they are largely responsible for where we are currently?
That they are the reason we let our players run down their contracts, that we didn't get any money for players who wanted out, that we then gave bumper contracts to average players on high wages who have been difficult to shift, that we overspent badly on players who were never going to be good enough, that Wenger kept blind faith in certain underperforming players because of Wenger's purist ideals rather than objective reality, that we kept coaches at the club when ex-players came out and said the Arsenal coaches didn't help their development...
Maybe it's because you idolise the man, but there's no getting away from it. He has left with the club in a terrible state, both financially and in terms of personnel.
If you want to be wilfully ignorant of that, then that's your choice.
But many Arsenal fans are not fools.
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My posts in capitals were to highlight the beauty of spin. I know however you truly believe in what you are writing Like I said until the fans start aiming their vitriol in the right place we are facked. Spot banging on about about a manager long departed. Stop saying he spent all our money when we received over £110 millon for Ox and Sanchez Giorud and Walcott in last year and half alone
Start focusing blame on man who is proving he had full control over our finances all along.
I may as well be arguing with a brick wall.
http://youaremyarsenal.com/arsenal-stan-kroenke-analysis-stats/
Have a read of that Godfather. It should educate you.
In my opinion its slightly worse than the blogger noted, Samir. I believe a lot of the sponsorships were front loaded because Wenger needed to spend after 2012 having sold of the silver during the lean times between 2007-2012. So I think there is also a slight issue with operational cash flow as well. We'll only really know the truth when the accounts of 2018/19 close. This is why I think it was a mistake by Emery to publicly call out our issue this Jan. I think that demoralises players. He may have thought clever to inoculate himself against getting fired this summer. His remit was to qualify us for the Champions League. I think the club will stick to that and it will be up to Emery to prove his has made progress.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 50 minutes ago
http://youaremyarsenal.com/arsenal-stan-kroenke-analysis-stats/
Have a read of that Godfather. It should educate you.
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What does this tell me? That we have the fifth highest wage bill in the league, yet fans try to use wage bill to justify our over spending? Did you know Everton have a bigger net spend than us in last 3 years? Did you know West ham have a similar net spend?
All this article does is try to absolve Kroenke over some technicality that most likely will never be enforced. Its more brainwashing for the pliable. it also does not back up your point of view that it's Wengers or Ivans fault in the slightest
Lol. You're a joke.
When Wenger dies, I have no doubt you will beg to be buried with him in his coffin.
Who gives a fack about Everton and West Ham, these are mid table clubs with owner investment trying to break into top 6 and starting from miles behind us it's a pointless comparison.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 2 minutes ago
Lol. You're a joke.
When Wenger dies, I have no doubt you will beg to be buried with him in his coffin.
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Haha no response at all apart from childish ad hominem attacks. Often happens when you are check mated into a corner without a coherent argument.
Whilst I'm on top might as well hammer you some more: why can't Kroenke invest into the team through fake sponsorships like the Sheikh does for city if he's bound by revelation like the article suggests?
There is no answer for this so you'll most likely call me gay or something like a pre teen
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 minutes ago
Who gives a fack about Everton and West Ham, these are mid table clubs with owner investment trying to break into top 6 and starting from miles behind us it's a pointless comparison.
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We should be blowing facking west ham and Everton out of the water if we want success. How can someone who wanted Wenger out so strongly to get success now not want to be investing heavily because they feel we don't need it as much as Everton or West ham
We have spent a lot though, not as much as Utd and City but enough to be competitive or at least miles better than we are.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 34 seconds ago
We have spent a lot though, not as much as Utd and City but enough to be competitive or at least miles better than we are.
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We have spent the fifth most. If we wanted to finish above Liverpool United Chelsea City we needed to spend an awful lot more over the years
Until two years ago Wenger was constantly getting us top four and cups despite being out spent. He finally became human and stopped over achieving. Emery is now finding it difficult to emulate Wengers unappreciated success of top four and cups with small expenditure as I always predicted a new manager would
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posted on 13/1/19
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 10 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 2 minutes ago
Godfather,
You didn't give me a yes or no answer, but I'll respond to the rest of your post...
The 'trash squads' we've had were largely because of him and his signings, though. Even before transfer fees went crazy, we were still comfortably outspending other clubs who ran us close for 4th.
There were also times when he did have a very good bunch of players and we just bottled it e.g. the 2010/11 season when we had Fabregas, Nasri, van Persie, Arshavin, prime Song, Walcott, Wilshere etc...criminal not to win anything that season, especially in the position we were in domestically and the fact we lost LC final to Birmingham.
Bottling the league title to Leicester City in 2016 should have been the final straw for any Arsenal fan, though. Never will we get a better opportunity to win the league than that.
As 8bit said, it's funny that we were doing better in the league when we weren't spending much money, yet now we have been, we've gotten progressively worse.
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We werent alone to bottling the title when Leicester won it. Even the big spenders around us couldnt stop them.
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How can you excuse our failure by saying ‘well the other 18 teams didn’t win it either’?
Bizarre reasoning.
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True that. Dont want to make an excuse for not doing it. Looking back we could discuss the same old reason we are having right now. Injuries, not doing the right thing in the transfer window and give every player competition which has to do with our financial situation.
posted on 13/1/19
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 9 hours, 7 minutes ago
Dude, football has changed so much in the years since Wenger came to Arsenal. Man U and Blackburn were Wenger’s main rivals - and yes, I’m being facetious including Rovers. Compare that to what we’re up against now!
Back then Wenger was a visionary who not only changed the culture of our club, but of top flight English football too. He also had pretty much a clear run at the largely unknown/untapped French market - something no manager now has the luxury of.
I doubt there’s a single person that expected anything approaching that instant turn around fom Emery. And if there was, and that’s what you’re basing your beef here on...? Well quite frankly, you’re just being silly.
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I am not expecting miracles neither to compete about the title. I expect a bit of improvement and real progress. Sorry, I cant see it. We arent competing even about CL places.
Season is done now. Again.
posted on 13/1/19
Godfather
Unlike others we had this conversation when Emery was actually doing well. You were incredulous that I suggested it would still be Wenger's fault if things turned bad because essentially Wenger constructed the squad. At that time you suggested why in that case Wenger shouldn't get the 'credit' for the unbeaten run? My point was that the upturn was mostly because of better tactics and some extra motivation by the players trying to impress a new manager. That can only last so long. So now we are going through a wobbly patch. Why don't you now want to give 'credit' to Wenger for the squad he constructed?
posted on 13/1/19
comment by Serial WUManiser™© - In Unai We Trust (U1410)
posted 7 hours, 40 minutes ago
It was obviously a wum comment you nonce. Only thing embarrassing is your well into your 20s and still a virgin
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A truly pitiful response from a truly pitiful poster and human being. Playground insults akin to a child
Cowardly, can't even stick to your guns with confidence and authority. 'wum comment'.. OK then
posted on 13/1/19
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 5 minutes ago
Godfather
Unlike others we had this conversation when Emery was actually doing well. You were incredulous that I suggested it would still be Wenger's fault if things turned bad because essentially Wenger constructed the squad. At that time you suggested why in that case Wenger shouldn't get the 'credit' for the unbeaten run? My point was that the upturn was mostly because of better tactics and some extra motivation by the players trying to impress a new manager. That can only last so long. So now we are going through a wobbly patch. Why don't you now want to give 'credit' to Wenger for the squad he constructed?
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Wait a second. We had that conversation because I correctly identified that if we were giving all credit to Emery for improvements then we couldn't them blame Wenger for (what at the time were not many) negative results.
Now we are in a bad patch the negative towards Wenger has increased as I predicted. Its a poor squad, Wenger spent all the money.
I was in the right. I was happy to give Emery credit when we were doing well but he should get blame when we do badly. Come on you are an intelligent person how can you not see this is the most balanced view to have.
posted on 13/1/19
My argument at the time was that whatever you do to improve players you are limited by their fallibilities. So if things go badly it will be Wenger's fault for having bought these group of players and you cannot give Wenger any credit for Emery's unbeaten run because essentially its Emery's impact that had got a reaction from them enough to go on that unbeaten run.
Now this at the time sounded very anti-Wenger to you but its the truth. You cannot blame Emery until the squad turns over to Emery's acquisitions.
What you can be critical of is that what has changed between the unbeaten run and now. Why are we now losing or drawing games that we were getting more positive results for just a few months ago.
And that can be simply down to
(a) Injuries coming to a ahead. Though we are getting players back they are not fully match fit.
(b) Teams have gotten wise to Emery's tactics and now he has to readjust.
(c) Some of what Emery was preaching to the likes of Xhaka etc. has started to wear of the players.
(d) Some of the squad are in limbo with regards to their futures.
(e) Emery's remarks were not helpful. It gives the impression that he is not sold on his squad and wants signings.
(f) Our new buys are not used to the physical nature of the fixtures and are now going through a down cycle.
We can only judge Emery at the end of the season. But for now this season has started to resemble last season. The only person you can blame for that is Wenger and his poor choices between 2012-2018!
posted on 13/1/19
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 42 minutes ago
My argument at the time was that whatever you do to improve players you are limited by their fallibilities. So if things go badly it will be Wenger's fault for having bought these group of players and you cannot give Wenger any credit for Emery's unbeaten run because essentially its Emery's impact that had got a reaction from them enough to go on that unbeaten run.
Now this at the time sounded very anti-Wenger to you but its the truth. You cannot blame Emery until the squad turns over to Emery's acquisitions.
What you can be critical of is that what has changed between the unbeaten run and now. Why are we now losing or drawing games that we were getting more positive results for just a few months ago.
And that can be simply down to
(a) Injuries coming to a ahead. Though we are getting players back they are not fully match fit.
(b) Teams have gotten wise to Emery's tactics and now he has to readjust.
(c) Some of what Emery was preaching to the likes of Xhaka etc. has started to wear of the players.
(d) Some of the squad are in limbo with regards to their futures.
(e) Emery's remarks were not helpful. It gives the impression that he is not sold on his squad and wants signings.
(f) Our new buys are not used to the physical nature of the fixtures and are now going through a down cycle.
We can only judge Emery at the end of the season. But for now this season has started to resemble last season. The only person you can blame for that is Wenger and his poor choices between 2012-2018!
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Excuses excuses excuses. Explain how we hadn't lost away to West ham for the last 11 games until Emery arrived? Or the fact we had best home record last season behind City but this season we cling on against Wolves
Turning point of season was after Leicester game which was one of best performances Ive seen for a while. Rather than push on and keep Ozil motivated to play like that every week, he started dropping him and other players such as Lacazette
posted on 13/1/19
"My argument at the time was that whatever you do to improve players you are limited by their fallibilities. So if things go badly it will be Wenger's fault for having bought these group of players and you cannot give Wenger any credit for Emery's unbeaten run because essentially its Emery's impact that had got a reaction from them enough to go on that unbeaten run.
Now this at the time sounded very anti-Wenger to you but its the truth. You cannot blame Emery until the squad turns over to Emery's acquisitions"
Quite frankly this is a load of old nonsense, let's be honest. If i was so inclined I could easily spin it another way. We have not had a strike force this good since RVP that one season. Toreirra is that signing we all said we desperately needed for decades. without these two key singings Wenger got us to a final, a semi final, had the second best home record. With aubameyang all year (and eligible for Europa} and Toreirra there is almost no doubt Wenger would have performed better than Emery is now
posted on 13/1/19
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 4 minutes ago
Excuses excuses excuses. Explain how we hadn't lost away to West ham for the last 11 games until Emery arrived? Or the fact we had best home record last season behind City but this season we cling on against Wolves
Turning point of season was after Leicester game which was one of best performances Ive seen for a while. Rather than push on and keep Ozil motivated to play like that every week, he started dropping him and other players such as Lacazette
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So what if we were unbeaten in 11 against West Ham away? West Ham also did the double over us when we first moved to The Emirates. They took 4 points off us in 2015/16 as well. Past results have no bearing on what will happen in future games against the same opponents.
Since you like bringing up stats and records though, here are ones Wenger broke:
Arsenal finished outside the top four in the Premier League for the second consecutive time. His two lowest league finishes (5th and 6th) since he took over at the club in 1996.
Arsenal were knocked out of the third round of the FA Cup for the first time in Wenger’s career.
In Europe, the Gunners are most successful team to have never won the Champions League, and they were the first side to concede 200 goals in the competition.
And while also being eliminated in the last-16 seven seasons in a row, a number of Arsenal’s worst defeats in Europe have come in the last decade.
In the Champions League, Arsenal lost 5-1 to Bayern Munich on three separate occasions between 2015 and 2017. Before then, there worst result was a 4-0 loss to AC Milan in 2012.
In the Premier League, we’ve lost 8-2 to Manchester United, 6-0 Chelsea, 5-1 to Liverpool and 6-3 to Manchester City - as well as a 4-0 drubbing to Southampton when they were on a 7-game losing streak - all in the last seven years.
posted on 13/1/19
The beauty of spin
posted on 13/1/19
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 4 minutes ago
Excuses excuses excuses. Explain how we hadn't lost away to West ham for the last 11 games until Emery arrived? Or the fact we had best home record last season behind City but this season we cling on against Wolves
Turning point of season was after Leicester game which was one of best performances Ive seen for a while. Rather than push on and keep Ozil motivated to play like that every week, he started dropping him and other players such as Lacazette
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So what if we were unbeaten in 11 against West Ham away? West Ham also did the double over us when we first moved to The Emirates. They took 4 points off us in 2015/16 as well. Past results have no bearing on what will happen in future games against the same opponents.
Since you like bringing up stats and records though, here are ones Wenger broke:
Arsenal finished outside the top four in the Premier League for the second consecutive time. His two lowest league finishes (5th and 6th) since he took over at the club in 1996. 21 YEARS IN A ROW TOP 4. NO OTHER TEAM HAS COME CLOSE TO THAT APART FROM UNITED WHO MATCHED THAT I BELIEVE
Arsenal were knocked out of the third round of the FA Cup for the first time in Wenger’s CAREER. WENGER MOST SUCCESSFUL MANAGER OF ALL TIME IN THAT CUP WINNING 3 TIMES IN LAST 5 YEARS. CONSIDERING WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN DECLINE FOR THAT TIME PRETTY INCREDIBLE.
In Europe, the Gunners are most successful team to have never won the Champions League, and they were the first side to concede 200 goals in the competition.
BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE COMPETITION FAR MORE THAN WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DUE TO. OVERACHIEMENT. LET'S BE HONEST WITH OUR INVESTMENT WE HAD NO CHANCE
And while also being eliminated in the last-16 seven seasons in a row, a number of Arsenal’s worst defeats in Europe have come in the last DECADE. ONLY TEAM TO QUALIFY FROM OUR GROUP FOR 13 CONSECUTIVE YEARS APART FROM REAL MADRID I BELIEVE.
In the Champions League, Arsenal lost 5-1 to Bayern Munich on three separate occasions between 2015 and 2017. Before then, there worst result was a 4-0 loss to AC Milan in 2012.
In the Premier League, we’ve lost 8-2 to Manchester United, 6-0 Chelsea, 5-1 to Liverpool and 6-3 to Manchester City - as well as a 4-0 drubbing to Southampton when they were on a 7-game losing streak - all in the last seven YEARS. PICKING OUT BAD LOSSES IN 7 YEARS OF FOOTBALL IS REACHING MATE
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posted on 13/1/19
The beauty of spin
posted on 13/1/19
It's actually unbelievable that you're so oblivious to the flaws Wenger had. And it was only when it became abundantly clear that we were in an extremely vulnerable position of not getting CL football for a second consecutive year that you realised "Hmm. Maybe he should go now."
So many people forecasted our current woes and the cataclysmic disaster Wenger and Gazidis put in.
How do you not see that they are largely responsible for where we are currently?
That they are the reason we let our players run down their contracts, that we didn't get any money for players who wanted out, that we then gave bumper contracts to average players on high wages who have been difficult to shift, that we overspent badly on players who were never going to be good enough, that Wenger kept blind faith in certain underperforming players because of Wenger's purist ideals rather than objective reality, that we kept coaches at the club when ex-players came out and said the Arsenal coaches didn't help their development...
Maybe it's because you idolise the man, but there's no getting away from it. He has left with the club in a terrible state, both financially and in terms of personnel.
If you want to be wilfully ignorant of that, then that's your choice.
But many Arsenal fans are not fools.
posted on 13/1/19
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 4 minutes ago
It's actually unbelievable that you're so oblivious to the flaws Wenger had. And it was only when it became abundantly clear that we were in an extremely vulnerable position of not getting CL football for a second consecutive year that you realised "Hmm. Maybe he should go now."
So many people forecasted our current woes and the cataclysmic disaster Wenger and Gazidis put in.
How do you not see that they are largely responsible for where we are currently?
That they are the reason we let our players run down their contracts, that we didn't get any money for players who wanted out, that we then gave bumper contracts to average players on high wages who have been difficult to shift, that we overspent badly on players who were never going to be good enough, that Wenger kept blind faith in certain underperforming players because of Wenger's purist ideals rather than objective reality, that we kept coaches at the club when ex-players came out and said the Arsenal coaches didn't help their development...
Maybe it's because you idolise the man, but there's no getting away from it. He has left with the club in a terrible state, both financially and in terms of personnel.
If you want to be wilfully ignorant of that, then that's your choice.
But many Arsenal fans are not fools.
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posted on 13/1/19
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's actually unbelievable that you're so oblivious to the flaws Wenger had. And it was only when it became abundantly clear that we were in an extremely vulnerable position of not getting CL football for a second consecutive year that you realised "Hmm. Maybe he should go now."
So many people forecasted our current woes and the cataclysmic disaster Wenger and Gazidis put in.
How do you not see that they are largely responsible for where we are currently?
That they are the reason we let our players run down their contracts, that we didn't get any money for players who wanted out, that we then gave bumper contracts to average players on high wages who have been difficult to shift, that we overspent badly on players who were never going to be good enough, that Wenger kept blind faith in certain underperforming players because of Wenger's purist ideals rather than objective reality, that we kept coaches at the club when ex-players came out and said the Arsenal coaches didn't help their development...
Maybe it's because you idolise the man, but there's no getting away from it. He has left with the club in a terrible state, both financially and in terms of personnel.
If you want to be wilfully ignorant of that, then that's your choice.
But many Arsenal fans are not fools.
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My posts in capitals were to highlight the beauty of spin. I know however you truly believe in what you are writing Like I said until the fans start aiming their vitriol in the right place we are facked. Spot banging on about about a manager long departed. Stop saying he spent all our money when we received over £110 millon for Ox and Sanchez Giorud and Walcott in last year and half alone
Start focusing blame on man who is proving he had full control over our finances all along.
posted on 13/1/19
I may as well be arguing with a brick wall.
posted on 13/1/19
http://youaremyarsenal.com/arsenal-stan-kroenke-analysis-stats/
Have a read of that Godfather. It should educate you.
posted on 13/1/19
In my opinion its slightly worse than the blogger noted, Samir. I believe a lot of the sponsorships were front loaded because Wenger needed to spend after 2012 having sold of the silver during the lean times between 2007-2012. So I think there is also a slight issue with operational cash flow as well. We'll only really know the truth when the accounts of 2018/19 close. This is why I think it was a mistake by Emery to publicly call out our issue this Jan. I think that demoralises players. He may have thought clever to inoculate himself against getting fired this summer. His remit was to qualify us for the Champions League. I think the club will stick to that and it will be up to Emery to prove his has made progress.
posted on 13/1/19
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 50 minutes ago
http://youaremyarsenal.com/arsenal-stan-kroenke-analysis-stats/
Have a read of that Godfather. It should educate you.
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What does this tell me? That we have the fifth highest wage bill in the league, yet fans try to use wage bill to justify our over spending? Did you know Everton have a bigger net spend than us in last 3 years? Did you know West ham have a similar net spend?
All this article does is try to absolve Kroenke over some technicality that most likely will never be enforced. Its more brainwashing for the pliable. it also does not back up your point of view that it's Wengers or Ivans fault in the slightest
posted on 13/1/19
Lol. You're a joke.
When Wenger dies, I have no doubt you will beg to be buried with him in his coffin.
posted on 13/1/19
Who gives a fack about Everton and West Ham, these are mid table clubs with owner investment trying to break into top 6 and starting from miles behind us it's a pointless comparison.
posted on 13/1/19
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 2 minutes ago
Lol. You're a joke.
When Wenger dies, I have no doubt you will beg to be buried with him in his coffin.
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Haha no response at all apart from childish ad hominem attacks. Often happens when you are check mated into a corner without a coherent argument.
Whilst I'm on top might as well hammer you some more: why can't Kroenke invest into the team through fake sponsorships like the Sheikh does for city if he's bound by revelation like the article suggests?
There is no answer for this so you'll most likely call me gay or something like a pre teen
posted on 13/1/19
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 3 minutes ago
Who gives a fack about Everton and West Ham, these are mid table clubs with owner investment trying to break into top 6 and starting from miles behind us it's a pointless comparison.
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We should be blowing facking west ham and Everton out of the water if we want success. How can someone who wanted Wenger out so strongly to get success now not want to be investing heavily because they feel we don't need it as much as Everton or West ham
posted on 13/1/19
We have spent a lot though, not as much as Utd and City but enough to be competitive or at least miles better than we are.
posted on 13/1/19
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 34 seconds ago
We have spent a lot though, not as much as Utd and City but enough to be competitive or at least miles better than we are.
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We have spent the fifth most. If we wanted to finish above Liverpool United Chelsea City we needed to spend an awful lot more over the years
Until two years ago Wenger was constantly getting us top four and cups despite being out spent. He finally became human and stopped over achieving. Emery is now finding it difficult to emulate Wengers unappreciated success of top four and cups with small expenditure as I always predicted a new manager would
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