comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago

You would, wouldn't you Elvis.
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So you disagree then?

I'm sorry, but there are plenty of other atrocities and tragedies that happen that involve people of different religions/no religion that we don't have a minute's silence at football matches for.

Why should the victims in New Zealand be treated any different because they are Muslims? I am all for equality. But if there is a bias towards a certain ethnic minority then that will only serve to further increase the current divide that exists. Which was the point I made the other day regarding the grooming gangs being protected for years. The authorities decided to turn a blind eye to it for fear of raising tensions and in doing so have only served to increase mistrust. It should have been nipped in the bud when the authorities became aware of it. Instead it was allowed to fester and spread. Now we have thousands of victims whose lives have been destroyed and another generation who believe that it is ok to treat young girls this way.

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago

Grand Cannon, you can also see how certain attackers are humanised (press already doing it fo this guy in certain outlets) yer hardly ever the other way round. Even the Begum girl hasn't been "humanised" by the media (quite the opposite, in fact).
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You honestly don't think that the Begum has been humanised? Really? Several outlets, most notably the BBC and The Gurdian, have done their very best to help increase sympathy towards that girl.

comment by Idontlikemondays (U6377)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago

The FA say the victims in NZ will be remembered before Englands game with Czech Republic
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There we go. It might have been the plan all along? To be fair, I think it holds more gravitas with the national team. In addition, less chance of a minority in certain stadiums ruining the minutes silence.

comment by blueinbarca (U3426)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Wenger Till I Die (U7482)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Kano (U20144)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Passion Power - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (U8398)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kano (U20144)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
How about the atrocities committed in countries like Kenya and Nigeria, but no outrage from some members on this forum...
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1. Because Kenya and Nigeria are a developing country and no one gives a crap?
2. Because it happens every week there?
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1. True

2. Every week in the north of Nigeria, but nothing is said as people in the west are afraid of upsetting some due to the group that carries out such attacks.
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If something happens every week in Nigeria, why would anyone care about it? I'm Nigerian myself and I'm desensitized to the weekly massacres in the volatile North of the country. You can't compare New Zealand or France to Nigeria where life is cheap as fack.

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The only reason you do see the Nigerian Boko Haram attacks is because Nigeria has some of the purest,sweetest Crude Oil on the Planet Earth.
It's all about the Black Gold,Texas Tea people!
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I think you are wrong. Where is your source?

comment by Passion Power - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (U8398)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by blueinbarca (U3426)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Wenger Till I Die (U7482)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Kano (U20144)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Passion Power - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (U8398)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kano (U20144)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
How about the atrocities committed in countries like Kenya and Nigeria, but no outrage from some members on this forum...
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1. Because Kenya and Nigeria are a developing country and no one gives a crap?
2. Because it happens every week there?
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1. True

2. Every week in the north of Nigeria, but nothing is said as people in the west are afraid of upsetting some due to the group that carries out such attacks.
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If something happens every week in Nigeria, why would anyone care about it? I'm Nigerian myself and I'm desensitized to the weekly massacres in the volatile North of the country. You can't compare New Zealand or France to Nigeria where life is cheap as fack.

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The only reason you do see the Nigerian Boko Haram attacks is because Nigeria has some of the purest,sweetest Crude Oil on the Planet Earth.
It's all about the Black Gold,Texas Tea people!
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I think you are wrong. Where is your source?

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I am a commodities trader among other things,I used to trade WTI (West Texas Intermediate) on a daily basis so know the market very well!

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted 6 hours, 12 minutes ago

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago

You would, wouldn't you Elvis.
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So you disagree then?
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I was kidding with that comment, which you would have noticed from the very next sentence. But you seem to have missed that. I can only thing it hit a nerve. Why did that happen?

You seem insistent on down playing this act of terrorism and bring up Rotherham as a counter (there are plenty of other examples that could have been brought up). You can make excuses, but that's what you're doing. Why is that? Maybe you cannot see your own bias about this.

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 6 hours, 28 minutes ago
Tamil Tigers another.
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Mandela’s ANC were seen as a terrorist organisation in his younger years.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted 6 hours, 16 minutes ago

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago

Grand Cannon, you can also see how certain attackers are humanised (press already doing it fo this guy in certain outlets) yer hardly ever the other way round. Even the Begum girl hasn't been "humanised" by the media (quite the opposite, in fact).
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You honestly don't think that the Begum has been humanised? Really? Several outlets, most notably the BBC and The Gurdian, have done their very best to help increase sympathy towards that girl.
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Really? You call those attempts at humanising her?

Elvis, take a long hard look at yourself. Seriously.

There would also be no bias being shown if the FA did do something due to them having done similar before. The bias would be them not doing it.

Forgot to add this.

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)

posted 14 minutes ago

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted 6 hours, 12 minutes ago

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago

You would, wouldn't you Elvis.
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So you disagree then?
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I was kidding with that comment, which you would have noticed from the very next sentence. But you seem to have missed that. I can only thing it hit a nerve. Why did that happen? 

You seem insistent on down playing this act of terrorism and bring up Rotherham as a counter (there are plenty of other examples that could have been brought up). You can make excuses, but that's what you're doing. Why is that? Maybe you cannot see your own bias about this.
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It hit a nerve because yesterday I was called a white terrorist sympathiser because I didn't agree that the fact there wasn't a minutes silence was due to the victims religion.

I have made no attempt at all to play down terrorism. Stop making ridiculous things up. My only point was that there has and will continue to be terrible incidents where people lose there lives and we don't have a minutes silence at our football stadiums. It's not unusual.

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)

posted 15 minutes ago

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted 6 hours, 16 minutes ago

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago

Grand Cannon, you can also see how certain attackers are humanised (press already doing it fo this guy in certain outlets) yer hardly ever the other way round. Even the Begum girl hasn't been "humanised" by the media (quite the opposite, in fact).
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You honestly don't think that the Begum has been humanised? Really? Several outlets, most notably the BBC and The Gurdian, have done their very best to help increase sympathy towards that girl.
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Really? You call those attempts at humanising her?

Elvis, take a long hard look at yourself. Seriously.
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They have made her out to be this incident little girl that was lead astray. Thankfully her true nature has shone through in the interviews and it is quite obvious that she is a disturbed person. I mean, what kind of person watches innocent people get beheaded and decides to go and join such a group? She's a monster, and despite their best efforts, it's pretty hard to humanise a monster.

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)

posted 6 minutes ago

There would also be no bias being shown if the FA did do something due to them having done similar before. The bias would be them not doing it.

Forgot to add this.
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It isn't a bias either way for me. I understand that there will be a minutes silence before the international game, which I think is better than doing it at every club stadium where there is a greater chance of it not being respected properly. But had there not been anything planned, it would be no different to many atrocities that have happened before where the victims weren't Muslim.

You seem to make a point about victims not being Muslim in other atrocities, where the bias being inferred here was that they (before it being announced) weren't getting it because the victims were Muslims. People compared it to other such acts of terror that did get the same treatment.

There have been many atrocities recently with victims of all kinds, Muslims and not. I don't know why you think people are biased because this one has Muslims being killed. Previous arguments had been that when Muslims have been victims of such attacks, such as in Turkey, they didn't get similar treatment due to location or cultural connection. This argument could be used for the deaths in Nigeria (as well as the others mentioned, it happens commonly there - this could be used for a few actions such as bombings in Afghanistan, to school shootings in the US).

I've already stated my own opinion on this. Unless it's related to the sport or happened in this country, then there should not be one. That goes for others as well.

My point was that when we do have a minutes silence for such attacks, it tends to be one that have happened in Europe rather then further afield. It is a bit unusual for us to have a minutes silence for an atrocity that has happened outside of Europe, irrespective of the religion of the victims. And yet we have had several posters suggesting that there is a bias against Muslims because of a lack of a minutes silence.

I'd have agreed with your point if it weren't for the connection between the UK and New Zealand. New Zealand is a constitutional monarchy.

Had there been a minutes silence in the weekends games just gone, I honestly believe that Millwall fans would have disrespected that silence seeing as their game was televised

comment by No Champions League (U22014)
posted 3 hours, 34 minutes ago

Had there been a minutes silence in the weekends games just gone, I honestly believe that Millwall fans would have disrespected that silence seeing as their game was televised
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Agreed. I think that there is much less chance of there being any breaking of the minute's silence at an international game.

The FA is a football organization, not a political one. Having moments of silence before games gives publicity to every terrorist or bigoted screwball in the world! Moments of silence for football related matters/player recognition are appropriate, but leave world issues out of it.

I think most points where covered but it's good to know someone can come in and add a new perspective to things.