They couldn't really see the apartment though, they could see the building but that's pretty pointless when you can't see the entry and access points.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 57 seconds ago
They couldn't really see the apartment though, they could see the building but that's pretty pointless when you can't see the entry and access points.
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Well it shows how far they were away, just being downstairs, even having to take a detour to get there, it's a one minute walk. Each of the families agreed one would go up to check all the kids periodically. Evidently not perfect but still not criminal.
“They went down stairs” has to be the understatement of the year
see most good parents would go out earlier and take their kids with them
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 27 seconds ago
“They went down stairs” has to be the understatement of the year
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They were closer to the apartment than I would be to my sons room if I stood at the end of my garden. I wouldn't expect people to claim neglect if I had a beer at the end of my garden, whilst my son was asleep in his room, especially if he was being checked on periodically throughout.
Whilst I wouldn't do it myself, I certainly wouldn't wish a custodial sentence on them for it, especially when they already got the worst sentence possible.
comment by Fan Gillhaus 1903 (U3339)
posted 14 seconds ago
Big garden then
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No, just long.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 27 seconds ago
“They went down stairs” has to be the understatement of the year
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They were closer to the apartment than I would be to my sons room if I stood at the end of my garden. I wouldn't expect people to claim neglect if I had a beer at the end of my garden, whilst my son was asleep in his room, especially if he was being checked on periodically throughout.
Whilst I wouldn't do it myself, I certainly wouldn't wish a custodial sentence on them for it, especially when they already got the worst sentence possible.
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I feel there is a difference between your house and a hotel in a holiday resort, what with the thousands of strangers walking about.
End of the day they couldnt see that well could they because if they could we wouldn't be having this conversation.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a... (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 27 seconds ago
“They went down stairs” has to be the understatement of the year
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They were closer to the apartment than I would be to my sons room if I stood at the end of my garden. I wouldn't expect people to claim neglect if I had a beer at the end of my garden, whilst my son was asleep in his room, especially if he was being checked on periodically throughout.
Whilst I wouldn't do it myself, I certainly wouldn't wish a custodial sentence on them for it, especially when they already got the worst sentence possible.
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I feel there is a difference between your house and a hotel in a holiday resort, what with the thousands of strangers walking about.
End of the day they couldnt see that well could they because if they could we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Evidentally this is correct but this has happened a lot with British families on holiday, obviously much less so after this case and children didn't go missing. It was nearly seen as normal. I'm not excusing this as I wouldn't do it myself but what punishment do you give a couple for something that isn't illegal when they've already suffered the ultimate punishment?
I actually remember reading a survey at the time of this case, which I've been unable to find and there was a high percentage of families who said they went down stairs for drinks or dinner whilst their kids slept in the room.
You are excusing it. That's literally what you're doing.
As Maddie is a British citizen I feel they should be subject to British law otherwise you could go and marry your 13 year old cousin in Alabama.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a... (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
You are excusing it. That's literally what you're doing.
As Maddie is a British citizen I feel they should be subject to British law otherwise you could go and marry your 13 year old cousin in Alabama.
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I'm not excusing it. I'm saying that they can't be locked up for being downstairs and asking what possible punishment you could give to them when they have already suffered the ultimate punishment.
On the law debate - they are subject to the law of the country they are in, regardless, there is no law against it in the UK either, just advice.
Personally I wouldn't like to see them locked up as they have already received the punishment. Further punishment isn't going to deter people from doing the same as much as the fact the girl went missing. There is no punishment which would achieve anything.
Stop saying downstairs as it’s not true.
They were out the building
if the McCann's didn't have something to do with it, who did ?
Portuguese police suspected v early on it was the McCann's I believe
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a... (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
You are excusing it. That's literally what you're doing.
As Maddie is a British citizen I feel they should be subject to British law otherwise you could go and marry your 13 year old cousin in Alabama.
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I'm not excusing it. I'm saying that they can't be locked up for being downstairs and asking what possible punishment you could give to them when they have already suffered the ultimate punishment.
On the law debate - they are subject to the law of the country they are in, regardless, there is no law against it in the UK either, just advice.
Personally I wouldn't like to see them locked up as they have already received the punishment. Further punishment isn't going to deter people from doing the same as much as the fact the girl went missing. There is no punishment which would achieve anything.
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Well apparently 'abandonment' is indeed a crime in Portugal as well as Britain and they were let off due to compassionate grounds. I think that's wrong personally. They have been incredibly reckless and as a result a human life is dead or possibly even what some may say is even worse.
Fvck 'em.
comment by peks..#free el chapo (U6618)
posted 5 minutes ago
if the McCann's didn't have something to do with it, who did ?
Portuguese police suspected v early on it was the McCann's I believe
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One of them did and then it was discovered he would be accused of falsifying evidence in another missing girl case. Also his evidence he wrote about his his book was refuted by PJ, Scotland Yard, forensics and several reports.
Basically there was no evidence.
No there was no concrete evidence pertaining doubtless guilt but plenty on the British side feel at the very least they have witheld information whilst also being disingenuous and inconsistent in their testimony.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a... (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a... (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
You are excusing it. That's literally what you're doing.
As Maddie is a British citizen I feel they should be subject to British law otherwise you could go and marry your 13 year old cousin in Alabama.
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I'm not excusing it. I'm saying that they can't be locked up for being downstairs and asking what possible punishment you could give to them when they have already suffered the ultimate punishment.
On the law debate - they are subject to the law of the country they are in, regardless, there is no law against it in the UK either, just advice.
Personally I wouldn't like to see them locked up as they have already received the punishment. Further punishment isn't going to deter people from doing the same as much as the fact the girl went missing. There is no punishment which would achieve anything.
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Well apparently 'abandonment' is indeed a crime in Portugal as well as Britain and they were let off due to compassionate grounds. I think that's wrong personally. They have been incredibly reckless and as a result a human life is dead or possibly even what some may say is even worse.
Fvck 'em.
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Never looked up abandonment used in law but I took that to mean leaving a child forever somewhere, like on a doorstep or something not going downstairs and periodically checking in.
they didn't just go downstairs, stop saying that!
It can be failing to give the necessary care which clearly they haven't.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
They couldn't really see the apartment though, they could see the building but that's pretty pointless when you can't see the entry and access points.
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They couldn’t see the apartment because there was a big plastic type gazebo between their table and the apartment...........
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 27 seconds ago
“They went down stairs” has to be the understatement of the year
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They were closer to the apartment than I would be to my sons room if I stood at the end of my garden. I wouldn't expect people to claim neglect if I had a beer at the end of my garden, whilst my son was asleep in his room, especially if he was being checked on periodically throughout.
Whilst I wouldn't do it myself, I certainly wouldn't wish a custodial sentence on them for it, especially when they already got the worst sentence possible.
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I expect your front door to be locked , so anybody walking into your house would have to use your back door... and you would see them as you would have direct line of sight.... also , walking into some ones private back garden when they can hear and see you is not quite the same as walking into a unlocked apartment from a public road.....
Think again .....
Nothing like a good Maddie thread
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/234763
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a... (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
It can be failing to give the necessary care which clearly they haven't.
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Ok so what's the punishment? A few weeks?
If I accidentally killed my sister, should I then also not go to jail because I already lost my sister?
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posted on 19/3/19
They couldn't really see the apartment though, they could see the building but that's pretty pointless when you can't see the entry and access points.
posted on 19/3/19
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 57 seconds ago
They couldn't really see the apartment though, they could see the building but that's pretty pointless when you can't see the entry and access points.
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Well it shows how far they were away, just being downstairs, even having to take a detour to get there, it's a one minute walk. Each of the families agreed one would go up to check all the kids periodically. Evidently not perfect but still not criminal.
posted on 19/3/19
“They went down stairs” has to be the understatement of the year
posted on 19/3/19
see most good parents would go out earlier and take their kids with them
posted on 19/3/19
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 27 seconds ago
“They went down stairs” has to be the understatement of the year
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They were closer to the apartment than I would be to my sons room if I stood at the end of my garden. I wouldn't expect people to claim neglect if I had a beer at the end of my garden, whilst my son was asleep in his room, especially if he was being checked on periodically throughout.
Whilst I wouldn't do it myself, I certainly wouldn't wish a custodial sentence on them for it, especially when they already got the worst sentence possible.
posted on 19/3/19
Big garden then
posted on 19/3/19
comment by Fan Gillhaus 1903 (U3339)
posted 14 seconds ago
Big garden then
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No, just long.
posted on 19/3/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 27 seconds ago
“They went down stairs” has to be the understatement of the year
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They were closer to the apartment than I would be to my sons room if I stood at the end of my garden. I wouldn't expect people to claim neglect if I had a beer at the end of my garden, whilst my son was asleep in his room, especially if he was being checked on periodically throughout.
Whilst I wouldn't do it myself, I certainly wouldn't wish a custodial sentence on them for it, especially when they already got the worst sentence possible.
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I feel there is a difference between your house and a hotel in a holiday resort, what with the thousands of strangers walking about.
End of the day they couldnt see that well could they because if they could we wouldn't be having this conversation.
posted on 19/3/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a... (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 27 seconds ago
“They went down stairs” has to be the understatement of the year
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They were closer to the apartment than I would be to my sons room if I stood at the end of my garden. I wouldn't expect people to claim neglect if I had a beer at the end of my garden, whilst my son was asleep in his room, especially if he was being checked on periodically throughout.
Whilst I wouldn't do it myself, I certainly wouldn't wish a custodial sentence on them for it, especially when they already got the worst sentence possible.
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I feel there is a difference between your house and a hotel in a holiday resort, what with the thousands of strangers walking about.
End of the day they couldnt see that well could they because if they could we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Evidentally this is correct but this has happened a lot with British families on holiday, obviously much less so after this case and children didn't go missing. It was nearly seen as normal. I'm not excusing this as I wouldn't do it myself but what punishment do you give a couple for something that isn't illegal when they've already suffered the ultimate punishment?
posted on 19/3/19
I actually remember reading a survey at the time of this case, which I've been unable to find and there was a high percentage of families who said they went down stairs for drinks or dinner whilst their kids slept in the room.
posted on 19/3/19
You are excusing it. That's literally what you're doing.
As Maddie is a British citizen I feel they should be subject to British law otherwise you could go and marry your 13 year old cousin in Alabama.
posted on 19/3/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a... (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
You are excusing it. That's literally what you're doing.
As Maddie is a British citizen I feel they should be subject to British law otherwise you could go and marry your 13 year old cousin in Alabama.
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I'm not excusing it. I'm saying that they can't be locked up for being downstairs and asking what possible punishment you could give to them when they have already suffered the ultimate punishment.
On the law debate - they are subject to the law of the country they are in, regardless, there is no law against it in the UK either, just advice.
Personally I wouldn't like to see them locked up as they have already received the punishment. Further punishment isn't going to deter people from doing the same as much as the fact the girl went missing. There is no punishment which would achieve anything.
posted on 19/3/19
Stop saying downstairs as it’s not true.
They were out the building
posted on 19/3/19
if the McCann's didn't have something to do with it, who did ?
Portuguese police suspected v early on it was the McCann's I believe
posted on 19/3/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a... (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
You are excusing it. That's literally what you're doing.
As Maddie is a British citizen I feel they should be subject to British law otherwise you could go and marry your 13 year old cousin in Alabama.
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I'm not excusing it. I'm saying that they can't be locked up for being downstairs and asking what possible punishment you could give to them when they have already suffered the ultimate punishment.
On the law debate - they are subject to the law of the country they are in, regardless, there is no law against it in the UK either, just advice.
Personally I wouldn't like to see them locked up as they have already received the punishment. Further punishment isn't going to deter people from doing the same as much as the fact the girl went missing. There is no punishment which would achieve anything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well apparently 'abandonment' is indeed a crime in Portugal as well as Britain and they were let off due to compassionate grounds. I think that's wrong personally. They have been incredibly reckless and as a result a human life is dead or possibly even what some may say is even worse.
Fvck 'em.
posted on 19/3/19
comment by peks..#free el chapo (U6618)
posted 5 minutes ago
if the McCann's didn't have something to do with it, who did ?
Portuguese police suspected v early on it was the McCann's I believe
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One of them did and then it was discovered he would be accused of falsifying evidence in another missing girl case. Also his evidence he wrote about his his book was refuted by PJ, Scotland Yard, forensics and several reports.
Basically there was no evidence.
posted on 19/3/19
No there was no concrete evidence pertaining doubtless guilt but plenty on the British side feel at the very least they have witheld information whilst also being disingenuous and inconsistent in their testimony.
posted on 19/3/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a... (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a... (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
You are excusing it. That's literally what you're doing.
As Maddie is a British citizen I feel they should be subject to British law otherwise you could go and marry your 13 year old cousin in Alabama.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not excusing it. I'm saying that they can't be locked up for being downstairs and asking what possible punishment you could give to them when they have already suffered the ultimate punishment.
On the law debate - they are subject to the law of the country they are in, regardless, there is no law against it in the UK either, just advice.
Personally I wouldn't like to see them locked up as they have already received the punishment. Further punishment isn't going to deter people from doing the same as much as the fact the girl went missing. There is no punishment which would achieve anything.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well apparently 'abandonment' is indeed a crime in Portugal as well as Britain and they were let off due to compassionate grounds. I think that's wrong personally. They have been incredibly reckless and as a result a human life is dead or possibly even what some may say is even worse.
Fvck 'em.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Never looked up abandonment used in law but I took that to mean leaving a child forever somewhere, like on a doorstep or something not going downstairs and periodically checking in.
posted on 19/3/19
they didn't just go downstairs, stop saying that!
posted on 19/3/19
It can be failing to give the necessary care which clearly they haven't.
posted on 19/3/19
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
They couldn't really see the apartment though, they could see the building but that's pretty pointless when you can't see the entry and access points.
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They couldn’t see the apartment because there was a big plastic type gazebo between their table and the apartment...........
posted on 19/3/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 27 seconds ago
“They went down stairs” has to be the understatement of the year
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They were closer to the apartment than I would be to my sons room if I stood at the end of my garden. I wouldn't expect people to claim neglect if I had a beer at the end of my garden, whilst my son was asleep in his room, especially if he was being checked on periodically throughout.
Whilst I wouldn't do it myself, I certainly wouldn't wish a custodial sentence on them for it, especially when they already got the worst sentence possible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I expect your front door to be locked , so anybody walking into your house would have to use your back door... and you would see them as you would have direct line of sight.... also , walking into some ones private back garden when they can hear and see you is not quite the same as walking into a unlocked apartment from a public road.....
Think again .....
posted on 19/3/19
Nothing like a good Maddie thread
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/234763
posted on 19/3/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a... (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
It can be failing to give the necessary care which clearly they haven't.
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Ok so what's the punishment? A few weeks?
posted on 19/3/19
If I accidentally killed my sister, should I then also not go to jail because I already lost my sister?
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