comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 54 seconds ago
This is not a us against them situation FFS.
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spot on.
Rose is being a bit daft though. He's complaining from an incredibly privileged position about a very marginal issue.
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If he can’t complain about it now after being racially abused just a couple weeks back then when can he complain?
This isn’t the first time either it’s happened to him and it’s certainly not the first time it’s happened to others.
He’s spot on the authorities don’t take it seriously enough especially fifa/uefa.
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He can complain about this marginal issue all he wants, but to suggest the authorities don't take it seriously is pathetic and simply not true. You cannot punish a club and its entire fan base based on the actions of a minority of fans. It doesn't matter how many stewards you have, or how many bans you issue as a club, if there are racist elements within your fan base or society then it's virtually impossible for clubs to prevent.
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
ny racial abuse nowadays in this country is dealt with swiftly and the idiots “a very small minority” are punished severely.
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The sort of thinking that is very scary to me. If you genuinely think it is a small minority, then you need to go out there. This country hides racism better than any other country I know- it is done very covertly to make idiots like you think it is only a " small minority" right now, it is factual evidence black children are 168x's more likely to be permanently excluded from school than a white British girl. Wake up and smell the coffee
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Would like to see the evidence, if possible?
I don't personally see racism within the country, maybe it's that I don't associate myself with racist people.
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Im assuming you're a white male? That's why you don't see it as much.
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Maybe that's why, I have very close family and friends who are not though and it isn't something I've much experience with.
I have seen people written off in interviews because they spoke broken English (that includes white males from Europe too mind), that's probably the closest thing. If you can't communicate with clients though it's a genuine issue.
Actually, the major problem I have experience is gender discrimination in the workplace. From unfair salaries, lack of job opportunities through to unfair maternity processes in my personal experience that's a bigger issue than the colour of your skin in the UK.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Edbo (U17933)
Don't make comments like that and then call me a drama queen.
"That's because black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
This clearly suggests that children with black skin are more likely to behave badly. If you didn't mean it that way then you need to sort that out, because this is blatant racism.
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No, I said black children are more likely to do something deserving of punishment than white British girls. Girls are generally a lot better behaved. calm down
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Fack off telling me to calm down - your sentence doesn't say that at all.
Priick.
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Read what I was responding to you simpleton. Not a fan of context?
The racism in the English grounds is minimal and isolated.
He should stop harping on about and playing the victim card all the time.
When you think about it, football is the most diverse profession you've ever seen in the UK, literally every team is well mixed when it comes to nationality and skin colour.
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posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Edbo (U17933)
Don't make comments like that and then call me a drama queen.
"That's because black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
This clearly suggests that children with black skin are more likely to behave badly. If you didn't mean it that way then you need to sort that out, because this is blatant racism.
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No, I said black children are more likely to do something deserving of punishment than white British girls. Girls are generally a lot better behaved. calm down
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Fack off telling me to calm down - your sentence doesn't say that at all.
Priick.
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"...black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
I think he said exactly that, Winston.
Dunno if that stat is correct or not, but it's what he stated.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 16 minutes ago
ny racial abuse nowadays in this country is dealt with swiftly and the idiots “a very small minority” are punished severely.
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The sort of thinking that is very scary to me. If you genuinely think it is a small minority, then you need to go out there. This country hides racism better than any other country I know- it is done very covertly to make idiots like you think it is only a " small minority" right now, it is factual evidence black children are 168x's more likely to be permanently excluded from school than a white British girl. Wake up and smell the coffee
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More likely than a white girl?
Fack me.
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posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Edbo (U17933)
Don't make comments like that and then call me a drama queen.
"That's because black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
This clearly suggests that children with black skin are more likely to behave badly. If you didn't mean it that way then you need to sort that out, because this is blatant racism.
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No, I said black children are more likely to do something deserving of punishment than white British girls. Girls are generally a lot better behaved. calm down
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Fack off telling me to calm down - your sentence doesn't say that at all.
Priick.
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Read what I was responding to you simpleton. Not a fan of context?
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I'm done with you. I accept you probably didn't mean it that way but you don't have the humility to accept that what you're written is poorly put to say the least.
I'd gently advise you to be very careful writing things like that in future because what you intended did not come across at all.
Or you can ignore me and pretend it's all my fault. Much easier. Much more inline with this forum.
And I see Winston has blown his top......... again.
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 54 seconds ago
This is not a us against them situation FFS.
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spot on.
Rose is being a bit daft though. He's complaining from an incredibly privileged position about a very marginal issue.
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If he can’t complain about it now after being racially abused just a couple weeks back then when can he complain?
This isn’t the first time either it’s happened to him and it’s certainly not the first time it’s happened to others.
He’s spot on the authorities don’t take it seriously enough especially fifa/uefa.
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I agree.
I think peoples issue is with the way he worded it.
If anybody takes issue with players responding to racist abuse they're idiots.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 54 seconds ago
This is not a us against them situation FFS.
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spot on.
Rose is being a bit daft though. He's complaining from an incredibly privileged position about a very marginal issue.
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If he can’t complain about it now after being racially abused just a couple weeks back then when can he complain?
This isn’t the first time either it’s happened to him and it’s certainly not the first time it’s happened to others.
He’s spot on the authorities don’t take it seriously enough especially fifa/uefa.
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He can complain about this marginal issue all he wants, but to suggest the authorities don't take it seriously is pathetic and simply not true. You cannot punish a club and its entire fan base based on the actions of a minority of fans. It doesn't matter how many stewards you have, or how many bans you issue as a club, if there are racist elements within your fan base or society then it's virtually impossible for clubs to prevent.
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Fifa fined the Spanish fa £44k for racist chanting against England players last November.
That’s a total joke especially as it’s not the first time it’s happened.
You might want to stick your head in the sand and call it a marginal issue but it’s not it’s a huge issue and something that needs to be sorted out
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Edbo (U17933)
Don't make comments like that and then call me a drama queen.
"That's because black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
This clearly suggests that children with black skin are more likely to behave badly. If you didn't mean it that way then you need to sort that out, because this is blatant racism.
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No, I said black children are more likely to do something deserving of punishment than white British girls. Girls are generally a lot better behaved. calm down
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Fack off telling me to calm down - your sentence doesn't say that at all.
Priick.
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"...black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
I think he said exactly that, Winston.
Dunno if that stat is correct or not, but it's what he stated.
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But that sentence implies the skin colour is relevant. It isn't.
What he really means is that a select group of children are more likely to do something than another select group of children.
Those groups are defined by many things, including affluence, locality, family status and income.
Skin colour absolutely should not even be mentioned because it is not a contributory factor.
comment by KLS - Mo Salah You Little DANCER...... (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
And I see Winston has blown his top......... again.
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On a subject such as this you want to play forum games?
Fack off.
This is a very serious subject to me.
"Fifa fined the Spanish fa £44k for racist chanting against England players last November.
That’s a total joke especially as it’s not the first time it’s happened."
Whilst I agree, that's no reason for Rose to "turn his back on football".
This isn't a football problem, this is a problem with society and culture.
I'd be interesting to see where the figure came from though. Gov.uk only has it at a ratio of 3:1 for black:white, but that doesn't account for gender. If that stat is correct then white girls are equally significantly less likely to be suspended than white boys.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
ny racial abuse nowadays in this country is dealt with swiftly and the idiots “a very small minority” are punished severely.
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The sort of thinking that is very scary to me. If you genuinely think it is a small minority, then you need to go out there. This country hides racism better than any other country I know- it is done very covertly to make idiots like you think it is only a " small minority" right now, it is factual evidence black children are 168x's more likely to be permanently excluded from school than a white British girl. Wake up and smell the coffee
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Absolute nonsense. That's because black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it.
Deprived White Children are the least likely demographic to be accepted into university.
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5 I can believe. 10 maybe. To black children are 168x more likely to do something more deserving of a punishment is nigh on stupidity.
And yes, white working class boys are at the bottom when it comes to GCSE attainment- I did it for my dissertation. What is your point? we are talking about black racism here, if you want to talk about white working class boys, I am also happy to say why that is a disgrace. This is not a us against them situation FFS.
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The point you are talking is being PERMANENTLY excluded, which is an extreme event and inevitably the sort of incidents we will be talking about are violence, and then you are comparing black boys to white GIRLS. Girls have a much more limited physical capability as well as a tendency for lower levels of aggression and much higher levels of conformity. They are also far less likely to be experiencing or witnessing violence outside school i.e. the culture they are living in is likely to be very different,
So yes, I would expect the differences between these two groups for such an extreme sanction to be MASSIVE.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 58 seconds ago
"Fifa fined the Spanish fa £44k for racist chanting against England players last November.
That’s a total joke especially as it’s not the first time it’s happened."
Whilst I agree, that's no reason for Rose to "turn his back on football".
This isn't a football problem, this is a problem with society and culture.
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Yes but by working as a footballer he's exposed to it more, I'd say.
Which makes it perfectly reasonable for him to be pleased when his career is done and he can do something more private.
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 54 seconds ago
This is not a us against them situation FFS.
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spot on.
Rose is being a bit daft though. He's complaining from an incredibly privileged position about a very marginal issue.
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If he can’t complain about it now after being racially abused just a couple weeks back then when can he complain?
This isn’t the first time either it’s happened to him and it’s certainly not the first time it’s happened to others.
He’s spot on the authorities don’t take it seriously enough especially fifa/uefa.
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He can complain about this marginal issue all he wants, but to suggest the authorities don't take it seriously is pathetic and simply not true. You cannot punish a club and its entire fan base based on the actions of a minority of fans. It doesn't matter how many stewards you have, or how many bans you issue as a club, if there are racist elements within your fan base or society then it's virtually impossible for clubs to prevent.
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Fifa fined the Spanish fa £44k for racist chanting against England players last November.
That’s a total joke especially as it’s not the first time it’s happened.
You might want to stick your head in the sand and call it a marginal issue but it’s not it’s a huge issue and something that needs to be sorted out
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What would be a sufficient fine in your opinion? Because I can tell you right now, excluding them from competition would be a ridiculously over-the-top punishment and unfair on the overwhelming majority of match going fans and Spanish people in general.
BTW, I can't feel too sorry for multi-millionaire Danny Rose, what he has been subjected to has been extremely unpleasant but I am more worried about the working poor than him. If he is looking to retire then he should just get on with it and retire now.
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comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Edbo (U17933)
Don't make comments like that and then call me a drama queen.
"That's because black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
This clearly suggests that children with black skin are more likely to behave badly. If you didn't mean it that way then you need to sort that out, because this is blatant racism.
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No, I said black children are more likely to do something deserving of punishment than white British girls. Girls are generally a lot better behaved. calm down
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Fack off telling me to calm down - your sentence doesn't say that at all.
Priick.
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Read what I was responding to you simpleton. Not a fan of context?
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I'm done with you. I accept you probably didn't mean it that way but you don't have the humility to accept that what you're written is poorly put to say the least.
I'd gently advise you to be very careful writing things like that in future because what you intended did not come across at all.
Or you can ignore me and pretend it's all my fault. Much easier. Much more inline with this forum.
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OK, looking back I admit that my point was purely communicated and for that I apologise. However I do think you somewhat ignored the context in which my comment was made.
My response took into account gender (mentioned by the person I was replying to), not just skin colour.
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the racism problem in England is the worst I can remember it in my lifetime
the people who cant accept this are part of the problem
He can complain about this marginal issue all he wants, but to suggest the authorities don't take it seriously is pathetic and simply not true. You cannot punish a club and its entire fan base based on the actions of a minority of fans. It doesn't matter how many stewards you have, or how many bans you issue as a club, if there are racist elements within your fan base or society then it's virtually impossible for clubs to prevent.
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sorry are you speaking for every abused black player and answering for them its a marginal issue? society should be that if you hear or see idiots shouting racist abuse at a game to a player the so called majority who were always told are at games should easily enough be able to grab them and chuck them out the ground
cant believe people are out here having a go at Rose
the guy is being racially abused in his place of work in 2019
doesn't matter how much money he gets paid its a disgrace
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
"Fifa fined the Spanish fa £44k for racist chanting against England players last November.
That’s a total joke especially as it’s not the first time it’s happened."
Whilst I agree, that's no reason for Rose to "turn his back on football".
This isn't a football problem, this is a problem with society and culture.
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From what I take is it’s not the football it’s the authority’s running the game not taking it seriously that’s making him feel this way.
As a white person I can’t relate to it as it’s never happened to me but I can have empathy and realise that it must be a horrible thing to go through personally and just as bad to see other professionals going through it too.
Authorities need to start coming down hard imo
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posted 31 seconds ago
Any racist simply deserves their skull smashed in, quite simple really.
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posted on 5/4/19
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 54 seconds ago
This is not a us against them situation FFS.
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spot on.
Rose is being a bit daft though. He's complaining from an incredibly privileged position about a very marginal issue.
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If he can’t complain about it now after being racially abused just a couple weeks back then when can he complain?
This isn’t the first time either it’s happened to him and it’s certainly not the first time it’s happened to others.
He’s spot on the authorities don’t take it seriously enough especially fifa/uefa.
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He can complain about this marginal issue all he wants, but to suggest the authorities don't take it seriously is pathetic and simply not true. You cannot punish a club and its entire fan base based on the actions of a minority of fans. It doesn't matter how many stewards you have, or how many bans you issue as a club, if there are racist elements within your fan base or society then it's virtually impossible for clubs to prevent.
posted on 5/4/19
comment by #TopLad || Sir Alex Ferguson ||✓ (U10161)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
ny racial abuse nowadays in this country is dealt with swiftly and the idiots “a very small minority” are punished severely.
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The sort of thinking that is very scary to me. If you genuinely think it is a small minority, then you need to go out there. This country hides racism better than any other country I know- it is done very covertly to make idiots like you think it is only a " small minority" right now, it is factual evidence black children are 168x's more likely to be permanently excluded from school than a white British girl. Wake up and smell the coffee
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Would like to see the evidence, if possible?
I don't personally see racism within the country, maybe it's that I don't associate myself with racist people.
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Im assuming you're a white male? That's why you don't see it as much.
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Maybe that's why, I have very close family and friends who are not though and it isn't something I've much experience with.
I have seen people written off in interviews because they spoke broken English (that includes white males from Europe too mind), that's probably the closest thing. If you can't communicate with clients though it's a genuine issue.
Actually, the major problem I have experience is gender discrimination in the workplace. From unfair salaries, lack of job opportunities through to unfair maternity processes in my personal experience that's a bigger issue than the colour of your skin in the UK.
posted on 5/4/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Edbo (U17933)
Don't make comments like that and then call me a drama queen.
"That's because black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
This clearly suggests that children with black skin are more likely to behave badly. If you didn't mean it that way then you need to sort that out, because this is blatant racism.
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No, I said black children are more likely to do something deserving of punishment than white British girls. Girls are generally a lot better behaved. calm down
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Fack off telling me to calm down - your sentence doesn't say that at all.
Priick.
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Read what I was responding to you simpleton. Not a fan of context?
posted on 5/4/19
The racism in the English grounds is minimal and isolated.
He should stop harping on about and playing the victim card all the time.
When you think about it, football is the most diverse profession you've ever seen in the UK, literally every team is well mixed when it comes to nationality and skin colour.
posted on 5/4/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Edbo (U17933)
Don't make comments like that and then call me a drama queen.
"That's because black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
This clearly suggests that children with black skin are more likely to behave badly. If you didn't mean it that way then you need to sort that out, because this is blatant racism.
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No, I said black children are more likely to do something deserving of punishment than white British girls. Girls are generally a lot better behaved. calm down
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Fack off telling me to calm down - your sentence doesn't say that at all.
Priick.
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"...black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
I think he said exactly that, Winston.
Dunno if that stat is correct or not, but it's what he stated.
posted on 5/4/19
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 16 minutes ago
ny racial abuse nowadays in this country is dealt with swiftly and the idiots “a very small minority” are punished severely.
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The sort of thinking that is very scary to me. If you genuinely think it is a small minority, then you need to go out there. This country hides racism better than any other country I know- it is done very covertly to make idiots like you think it is only a " small minority" right now, it is factual evidence black children are 168x's more likely to be permanently excluded from school than a white British girl. Wake up and smell the coffee
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More likely than a white girl?
Fack me.
posted on 5/4/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Edbo (U17933)
Don't make comments like that and then call me a drama queen.
"That's because black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
This clearly suggests that children with black skin are more likely to behave badly. If you didn't mean it that way then you need to sort that out, because this is blatant racism.
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No, I said black children are more likely to do something deserving of punishment than white British girls. Girls are generally a lot better behaved. calm down
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Fack off telling me to calm down - your sentence doesn't say that at all.
Priick.
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Read what I was responding to you simpleton. Not a fan of context?
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I'm done with you. I accept you probably didn't mean it that way but you don't have the humility to accept that what you're written is poorly put to say the least.
I'd gently advise you to be very careful writing things like that in future because what you intended did not come across at all.
Or you can ignore me and pretend it's all my fault. Much easier. Much more inline with this forum.
posted on 5/4/19
And I see Winston has blown his top......... again.
posted on 5/4/19
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 54 seconds ago
This is not a us against them situation FFS.
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spot on.
Rose is being a bit daft though. He's complaining from an incredibly privileged position about a very marginal issue.
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If he can’t complain about it now after being racially abused just a couple weeks back then when can he complain?
This isn’t the first time either it’s happened to him and it’s certainly not the first time it’s happened to others.
He’s spot on the authorities don’t take it seriously enough especially fifa/uefa.
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I agree.
I think peoples issue is with the way he worded it.
If anybody takes issue with players responding to racist abuse they're idiots.
posted on 5/4/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 54 seconds ago
This is not a us against them situation FFS.
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spot on.
Rose is being a bit daft though. He's complaining from an incredibly privileged position about a very marginal issue.
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If he can’t complain about it now after being racially abused just a couple weeks back then when can he complain?
This isn’t the first time either it’s happened to him and it’s certainly not the first time it’s happened to others.
He’s spot on the authorities don’t take it seriously enough especially fifa/uefa.
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He can complain about this marginal issue all he wants, but to suggest the authorities don't take it seriously is pathetic and simply not true. You cannot punish a club and its entire fan base based on the actions of a minority of fans. It doesn't matter how many stewards you have, or how many bans you issue as a club, if there are racist elements within your fan base or society then it's virtually impossible for clubs to prevent.
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Fifa fined the Spanish fa £44k for racist chanting against England players last November.
That’s a total joke especially as it’s not the first time it’s happened.
You might want to stick your head in the sand and call it a marginal issue but it’s not it’s a huge issue and something that needs to be sorted out
posted on 5/4/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Edbo (U17933)
Don't make comments like that and then call me a drama queen.
"That's because black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
This clearly suggests that children with black skin are more likely to behave badly. If you didn't mean it that way then you need to sort that out, because this is blatant racism.
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No, I said black children are more likely to do something deserving of punishment than white British girls. Girls are generally a lot better behaved. calm down
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Fack off telling me to calm down - your sentence doesn't say that at all.
Priick.
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"...black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
I think he said exactly that, Winston.
Dunno if that stat is correct or not, but it's what he stated.
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But that sentence implies the skin colour is relevant. It isn't.
What he really means is that a select group of children are more likely to do something than another select group of children.
Those groups are defined by many things, including affluence, locality, family status and income.
Skin colour absolutely should not even be mentioned because it is not a contributory factor.
posted on 5/4/19
comment by KLS - Mo Salah You Little DANCER...... (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
And I see Winston has blown his top......... again.
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On a subject such as this you want to play forum games?
Fack off.
This is a very serious subject to me.
posted on 5/4/19
"Fifa fined the Spanish fa £44k for racist chanting against England players last November.
That’s a total joke especially as it’s not the first time it’s happened."
Whilst I agree, that's no reason for Rose to "turn his back on football".
This isn't a football problem, this is a problem with society and culture.
posted on 5/4/19
I'd be interesting to see where the figure came from though. Gov.uk only has it at a ratio of 3:1 for black:white, but that doesn't account for gender. If that stat is correct then white girls are equally significantly less likely to be suspended than white boys.
posted on 5/4/19
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
ny racial abuse nowadays in this country is dealt with swiftly and the idiots “a very small minority” are punished severely.
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The sort of thinking that is very scary to me. If you genuinely think it is a small minority, then you need to go out there. This country hides racism better than any other country I know- it is done very covertly to make idiots like you think it is only a " small minority" right now, it is factual evidence black children are 168x's more likely to be permanently excluded from school than a white British girl. Wake up and smell the coffee
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Absolute nonsense. That's because black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it.
Deprived White Children are the least likely demographic to be accepted into university.
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5 I can believe. 10 maybe. To black children are 168x more likely to do something more deserving of a punishment is nigh on stupidity.
And yes, white working class boys are at the bottom when it comes to GCSE attainment- I did it for my dissertation. What is your point? we are talking about black racism here, if you want to talk about white working class boys, I am also happy to say why that is a disgrace. This is not a us against them situation FFS.
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The point you are talking is being PERMANENTLY excluded, which is an extreme event and inevitably the sort of incidents we will be talking about are violence, and then you are comparing black boys to white GIRLS. Girls have a much more limited physical capability as well as a tendency for lower levels of aggression and much higher levels of conformity. They are also far less likely to be experiencing or witnessing violence outside school i.e. the culture they are living in is likely to be very different,
So yes, I would expect the differences between these two groups for such an extreme sanction to be MASSIVE.
posted on 5/4/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 58 seconds ago
"Fifa fined the Spanish fa £44k for racist chanting against England players last November.
That’s a total joke especially as it’s not the first time it’s happened."
Whilst I agree, that's no reason for Rose to "turn his back on football".
This isn't a football problem, this is a problem with society and culture.
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Yes but by working as a footballer he's exposed to it more, I'd say.
Which makes it perfectly reasonable for him to be pleased when his career is done and he can do something more private.
posted on 5/4/19
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This is not a us against them situation FFS.
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spot on.
Rose is being a bit daft though. He's complaining from an incredibly privileged position about a very marginal issue.
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If he can’t complain about it now after being racially abused just a couple weeks back then when can he complain?
This isn’t the first time either it’s happened to him and it’s certainly not the first time it’s happened to others.
He’s spot on the authorities don’t take it seriously enough especially fifa/uefa.
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He can complain about this marginal issue all he wants, but to suggest the authorities don't take it seriously is pathetic and simply not true. You cannot punish a club and its entire fan base based on the actions of a minority of fans. It doesn't matter how many stewards you have, or how many bans you issue as a club, if there are racist elements within your fan base or society then it's virtually impossible for clubs to prevent.
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Fifa fined the Spanish fa £44k for racist chanting against England players last November.
That’s a total joke especially as it’s not the first time it’s happened.
You might want to stick your head in the sand and call it a marginal issue but it’s not it’s a huge issue and something that needs to be sorted out
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What would be a sufficient fine in your opinion? Because I can tell you right now, excluding them from competition would be a ridiculously over-the-top punishment and unfair on the overwhelming majority of match going fans and Spanish people in general.
posted on 5/4/19
BTW, I can't feel too sorry for multi-millionaire Danny Rose, what he has been subjected to has been extremely unpleasant but I am more worried about the working poor than him. If he is looking to retire then he should just get on with it and retire now.
posted on 5/4/19
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Don't make comments like that and then call me a drama queen.
"That's because black children are 168x more likely to do something deserving of it."
This clearly suggests that children with black skin are more likely to behave badly. If you didn't mean it that way then you need to sort that out, because this is blatant racism.
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No, I said black children are more likely to do something deserving of punishment than white British girls. Girls are generally a lot better behaved. calm down
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Fack off telling me to calm down - your sentence doesn't say that at all.
Priick.
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Read what I was responding to you simpleton. Not a fan of context?
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I'm done with you. I accept you probably didn't mean it that way but you don't have the humility to accept that what you're written is poorly put to say the least.
I'd gently advise you to be very careful writing things like that in future because what you intended did not come across at all.
Or you can ignore me and pretend it's all my fault. Much easier. Much more inline with this forum.
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OK, looking back I admit that my point was purely communicated and for that I apologise. However I do think you somewhat ignored the context in which my comment was made.
My response took into account gender (mentioned by the person I was replying to), not just skin colour.
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posted on 5/4/19
the racism problem in England is the worst I can remember it in my lifetime
the people who cant accept this are part of the problem
posted on 5/4/19
He can complain about this marginal issue all he wants, but to suggest the authorities don't take it seriously is pathetic and simply not true. You cannot punish a club and its entire fan base based on the actions of a minority of fans. It doesn't matter how many stewards you have, or how many bans you issue as a club, if there are racist elements within your fan base or society then it's virtually impossible for clubs to prevent.
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sorry are you speaking for every abused black player and answering for them its a marginal issue? society should be that if you hear or see idiots shouting racist abuse at a game to a player the so called majority who were always told are at games should easily enough be able to grab them and chuck them out the ground
posted on 5/4/19
cant believe people are out here having a go at Rose
the guy is being racially abused in his place of work in 2019
doesn't matter how much money he gets paid its a disgrace
posted on 5/4/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
"Fifa fined the Spanish fa £44k for racist chanting against England players last November.
That’s a total joke especially as it’s not the first time it’s happened."
Whilst I agree, that's no reason for Rose to "turn his back on football".
This isn't a football problem, this is a problem with society and culture.
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From what I take is it’s not the football it’s the authority’s running the game not taking it seriously that’s making him feel this way.
As a white person I can’t relate to it as it’s never happened to me but I can have empathy and realise that it must be a horrible thing to go through personally and just as bad to see other professionals going through it too.
Authorities need to start coming down hard imo
posted on 5/4/19
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 31 seconds ago
Any racist simply deserves their skull smashed in, quite simple really.
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Education would be more effective...
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