Mattyp, it goes way beyond saving lives, the boost to the economy of a more efficient transport system would be worth billions.
People will be banned from driving on public roads eventually. It will be many years yet though, It will start with governments only allowing new cars capable of full autonomy.
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 7 minutes ago
If the government didnt have problems making decisions that would save thousands, if not millions, of lives they would ban alcohol and cigarettes, but they dont because they cant. It is the same with driving, it doesn't matter how good the technology gets people will not accept not being able to drive themselves out of love or need
There is no way people will be banned from driving, it just won't happen.
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Eventually the older generations will die off and the younger ones may see no need in learning how to drive if the car can do it for them. It'll be expensive, pointless and dangerous.
End up with a few twentysomethings killed in their autonomous cars by doddery old buggers in their prehistoric manually-controlled deathtraps and the calls will soon mount for them to be banned.
Either that or do the same as cigarettes and alcohol - tax the hell out of them so it becomes undesirable anyway.
Also Cigarettes and alcohol are more personal, and don't affect others directly. Humans driving on our roads certainly do affect others.
Go into any town centre, or a&e on a weekend and tell me alcohol doesn't directly affect others.
No government is going to ban people from driving, ever, sure some people, maybe a lot might start using self driving cars, but other forms of transport control will not be banned, ever, the government wouldnt do it.
Yes alcohol affects people, but it is controlled. You don't seem to understand the inevitability of this technology.
This would be a huge step forward, governments are going to allow people to get in the way, there are way too many benefits to stop it.
*governments are not going to allow people to get in the way*
I wish this site would allow you to edit post's
I understand what this technology will do, it's just not going to lead to people being banned from driving.
And driving is controlled, in just the same way that drinking is.
Not the same as drinking, there are controls but driving needs more.
We get on well Mattyp, but if you were in government making decisions, you would be negligent to dismiss saving lives and billions coming into the treasury, just because you want people to drive.
Automation will happen, timescale who knows, but I would guess 20 years from now our roads could be looking very different.
It's exactly the same as drinking, its something people like to do and governments won't ban it.
If companies and people want to use automation then they can, however the government will never take away from people the right to choose to drive if they want to.
Like theybwont stop them drinking
Like they wont stop them smoking.
I can guarantee people will stop / be stopped from driving, and a new industry will arise for racetracks..
People will be kept off the road for the sake of transport efficiencys, not 10 years from now for sure, buy 28 or 30,
Elderlies will die off, the under 10s of today probably won't even experience car ownership, let alone sit tests unnecessarily, i can well imagine them bringing in 18 year mandatory retesting of drivers too, as the safety of automated driving far outstrips humans and speed limits become unnecessary.. carbon fuel cars already have a date set for them to stop being sold..
Denying progress is very very blinkered.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 22 hours, 3 minutes ago
Well no noise, but plenty of grunt. acceleration is one of the big advantages of electric.
The guy I work with, took on a car at some traffic lights, his car is a high end BMW, I think he said 0-60 in 4,7 seconds. He got left standing, that was his first introduction to a Tesla
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Where can I sign for one.??😂
Amiga
I am from Co Antrim where we are car and bike mad and I live on the coast route to the NW 200 so every weekend I hear bikes and tuned cars going up the north coast.
We have guys heading to Portrush and Portstewart literally planning to drive around and around those towns and rev up and race and come home.....not sure how these young guys will seek or afford telsa type motors?
And petrolheads in Ulster and Ireland generally are young and middle aged....the future drivers
If it is in your blood to go quick and hear the exhaust noise it will take a while to change.
As insert wisely said, we may witness race tracks for petrolheads..
I had a Honda CBR 600 RR last year that did 60 in first gear so how we control that in future is a challenge....need for speed combined with saving the planet???
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 21 hours, 5 minutes ago
Also Cigarettes and alcohol are more personal, and don't affect others directly. Humans driving on our roads certainly do affect others.
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Knew guys who drank and drove and still cannot believe they did it...one had beer in his passenger seat while driving and boys on the West of Ireland just drink and drive due to distance of pubs from home.
Mattyp we will agree to disagree, the future is set in my eyes.
Blue. EV's are still new, they will only become more and more affordable as time goes by. car companies have stated EV's will be no more expensive than an ice car as soon as 2025.
EV's will take over our roads for many reasons, and trust me if you love speed you will love EV's. But as I have been saying, peoples days of driving on our roads are numbered.
thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 21 hours, 5 minutes ago
Also Cigarettes and alcohol are more personal, and don't affect others directly. Humans driving on our roads certainly do affect others.
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Knew guys who drank and drove and still cannot believe they did it...one had beer in his passenger seat while driving and boys on the West of Ireland just drink and drive due to distance of pubs from home.
think you have highlighted one of the reasons automation will take over.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 15 minutes ago
Amiga
I am from Co Antrim where we are car and bike mad and I live on the coast route to the NW 200 so every weekend I hear bikes and tuned cars going up the north coast.
We have guys heading to Portrush and Portstewart literally planning to drive around and around those towns and rev up and race and come home.....not sure how these young guys will seek or afford telsa type motors?
And petrolheads in Ulster and Ireland generally are young and middle aged....the future drivers
If it is in your blood to go quick and hear the exhaust noise it will take a while to change.
As insert wisely said, we may witness race tracks for petrolheads..
I had a Honda CBR 600 RR last year that did 60 in first gear so how we control that in future is a challenge....need for speed combined with saving the planet???
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Automated driving will remove the model of car ownership, most people will plan their journeys and be sent automated cars and billed for the hire time and fuel.
It will be cheaper than car ownership, wont require any tests, and due to automation will be faster and more efficient, cars will return to the days when owning a vehicle was a sign of great wealth.
As soon as automated taxis are allowed, uber will flood the market and clean up, imagine the same business model but without the drivers wages!!!
Random, you seem more switched on to what is happening than most. I'm not sure Uber will be king though, but someone will take the mantle.
There is a huge change brewing in transportation, a lot of people won't even see it coming.
Insert and Amiga.
I am into cars, bikes, the environment and progress.
We move forward or go backwards.
For the planet to survive, as well as modifying transport, we have to review population growth and emerging economies, and that is perhaps the time when hard questions come up.
Amiga
Ireland had a different cultural view to drink and driving but death on roads changed that.
However, family in NZ say the locals legally have 5 odd beers and can drive because pubs are often away from anything civilized?😊
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 28 minutes ago
thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 21 hours, 5 minutes ago
Also Cigarettes and alcohol are more personal, and don't affect others directly. Humans driving on our roads certainly do affect others.
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Knew guys who drank and drove and still cannot believe they did it...one had beer in his passenger seat while driving and boys on the West of Ireland just drink and drive due to distance of pubs from home.
think you have highlighted one of the reasons automation will take over.
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Not condoning it and would not have a pint even and drive or ride a bike.
Partly why I got back into petrolhead land was 9 years sober.
Never thought you were Blue, but there are plenty of people who don't belong behind the wheel.
As I said it is one of the reasons autonomy will take over.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 11 hours, 29 minutes ago
Random, you seem more switched on to what is happening than most. I'm not sure Uber will be king though, but someone will take the mantle.
There is a huge change brewing in transportation, a lot of people won't even see it coming.
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There will be challengers of course, thats the idea of free market economics.. Not that affordability will be put before shareholders sadly.
But uber are clearing the ground for it, taxi firms out of business wherever they go. Un-unionised self employed gig-economy workers with no legal recourse left.
If we dont sort out how automation will affect society soon, we are all going to get trampled by it!
Insert random username
There will be challengers of course, thats the idea of free market economics.. Not that affordability will be put before shareholders sadly.
But uber are clearing the ground for it, taxi firms out of business wherever they go. Un-unionised self employed gig-economy workers with no legal recourse left.
If we dont sort out how automation will affect society soon, we are all going to get trampled by it!
Automation is going to change everything, people will end up no longer owning cars, simply calling them up as and when needed, at a fraction of the cost of owning one.
Automation is not something society should hide from, those first to embrace it will have a massive advantage over any modern economy dragging their feet.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 20 hours, 28 minutes ago
Insert random username
There will be challengers of course, thats the idea of free market economics.. Not that affordability will be put before shareholders sadly.
But uber are clearing the ground for it, taxi firms out of business wherever they go. Un-unionised self employed gig-economy workers with no legal recourse left.
If we dont sort out how automation will affect society soon, we are all going to get trampled by it!
Automation is going to change everything, people will end up no longer owning cars, simply calling them up as and when needed, at a fraction of the cost of owning one.
Automation is not something society should hide from, those first to embrace it will have a massive advantage over any modern economy dragging their feet.
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We need to embrace it without reservation, what we need to address is how it benefits society to combat mass unemployment.
Half of all jobs gone, that's either half the population unemployed, or the profits and benefits of automation being shared, and everyone working 20 hours a week!!
We need to embrace it without reservation, what we need to address is how it benefits society to combat mass unemployment.
Insert random username
Half of all jobs gone, that's either half the population unemployed, or the profits and benefits of automation being shared, and everyone working 20 hours a week!!
I agree with this, but my point is, it is and will happen and we would be stupid to pretend otherwise.
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posted on 27/4/19
Mattyp, it goes way beyond saving lives, the boost to the economy of a more efficient transport system would be worth billions.
People will be banned from driving on public roads eventually. It will be many years yet though, It will start with governments only allowing new cars capable of full autonomy.
posted on 27/4/19
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 7 minutes ago
If the government didnt have problems making decisions that would save thousands, if not millions, of lives they would ban alcohol and cigarettes, but they dont because they cant. It is the same with driving, it doesn't matter how good the technology gets people will not accept not being able to drive themselves out of love or need
There is no way people will be banned from driving, it just won't happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eventually the older generations will die off and the younger ones may see no need in learning how to drive if the car can do it for them. It'll be expensive, pointless and dangerous.
End up with a few twentysomethings killed in their autonomous cars by doddery old buggers in their prehistoric manually-controlled deathtraps and the calls will soon mount for them to be banned.
Either that or do the same as cigarettes and alcohol - tax the hell out of them so it becomes undesirable anyway.
posted on 27/4/19
Also Cigarettes and alcohol are more personal, and don't affect others directly. Humans driving on our roads certainly do affect others.
posted on 28/4/19
Go into any town centre, or a&e on a weekend and tell me alcohol doesn't directly affect others.
No government is going to ban people from driving, ever, sure some people, maybe a lot might start using self driving cars, but other forms of transport control will not be banned, ever, the government wouldnt do it.
posted on 28/4/19
Yes alcohol affects people, but it is controlled. You don't seem to understand the inevitability of this technology.
This would be a huge step forward, governments are going to allow people to get in the way, there are way too many benefits to stop it.
posted on 28/4/19
*governments are not going to allow people to get in the way*
I wish this site would allow you to edit post's
posted on 28/4/19
I understand what this technology will do, it's just not going to lead to people being banned from driving.
And driving is controlled, in just the same way that drinking is.
posted on 28/4/19
Not the same as drinking, there are controls but driving needs more.
We get on well Mattyp, but if you were in government making decisions, you would be negligent to dismiss saving lives and billions coming into the treasury, just because you want people to drive.
Automation will happen, timescale who knows, but I would guess 20 years from now our roads could be looking very different.
posted on 28/4/19
It's exactly the same as drinking, its something people like to do and governments won't ban it.
If companies and people want to use automation then they can, however the government will never take away from people the right to choose to drive if they want to.
Like theybwont stop them drinking
Like they wont stop them smoking.
posted on 28/4/19
I can guarantee people will stop / be stopped from driving, and a new industry will arise for racetracks..
People will be kept off the road for the sake of transport efficiencys, not 10 years from now for sure, buy 28 or 30,
Elderlies will die off, the under 10s of today probably won't even experience car ownership, let alone sit tests unnecessarily, i can well imagine them bringing in 18 year mandatory retesting of drivers too, as the safety of automated driving far outstrips humans and speed limits become unnecessary.. carbon fuel cars already have a date set for them to stop being sold..
Denying progress is very very blinkered.
posted on 28/4/19
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 22 hours, 3 minutes ago
Well no noise, but plenty of grunt. acceleration is one of the big advantages of electric.
The guy I work with, took on a car at some traffic lights, his car is a high end BMW, I think he said 0-60 in 4,7 seconds. He got left standing, that was his first introduction to a Tesla
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Where can I sign for one.??😂
posted on 28/4/19
Amiga
I am from Co Antrim where we are car and bike mad and I live on the coast route to the NW 200 so every weekend I hear bikes and tuned cars going up the north coast.
We have guys heading to Portrush and Portstewart literally planning to drive around and around those towns and rev up and race and come home.....not sure how these young guys will seek or afford telsa type motors?
And petrolheads in Ulster and Ireland generally are young and middle aged....the future drivers
If it is in your blood to go quick and hear the exhaust noise it will take a while to change.
As insert wisely said, we may witness race tracks for petrolheads..
I had a Honda CBR 600 RR last year that did 60 in first gear so how we control that in future is a challenge....need for speed combined with saving the planet???
posted on 28/4/19
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 21 hours, 5 minutes ago
Also Cigarettes and alcohol are more personal, and don't affect others directly. Humans driving on our roads certainly do affect others.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Knew guys who drank and drove and still cannot believe they did it...one had beer in his passenger seat while driving and boys on the West of Ireland just drink and drive due to distance of pubs from home.
posted on 28/4/19
Mattyp we will agree to disagree, the future is set in my eyes.
Blue. EV's are still new, they will only become more and more affordable as time goes by. car companies have stated EV's will be no more expensive than an ice car as soon as 2025.
EV's will take over our roads for many reasons, and trust me if you love speed you will love EV's. But as I have been saying, peoples days of driving on our roads are numbered.
posted on 28/4/19
thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 21 hours, 5 minutes ago
Also Cigarettes and alcohol are more personal, and don't affect others directly. Humans driving on our roads certainly do affect others.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Knew guys who drank and drove and still cannot believe they did it...one had beer in his passenger seat while driving and boys on the West of Ireland just drink and drive due to distance of pubs from home.
think you have highlighted one of the reasons automation will take over.
posted on 28/4/19
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 15 minutes ago
Amiga
I am from Co Antrim where we are car and bike mad and I live on the coast route to the NW 200 so every weekend I hear bikes and tuned cars going up the north coast.
We have guys heading to Portrush and Portstewart literally planning to drive around and around those towns and rev up and race and come home.....not sure how these young guys will seek or afford telsa type motors?
And petrolheads in Ulster and Ireland generally are young and middle aged....the future drivers
If it is in your blood to go quick and hear the exhaust noise it will take a while to change.
As insert wisely said, we may witness race tracks for petrolheads..
I had a Honda CBR 600 RR last year that did 60 in first gear so how we control that in future is a challenge....need for speed combined with saving the planet???
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Automated driving will remove the model of car ownership, most people will plan their journeys and be sent automated cars and billed for the hire time and fuel.
It will be cheaper than car ownership, wont require any tests, and due to automation will be faster and more efficient, cars will return to the days when owning a vehicle was a sign of great wealth.
As soon as automated taxis are allowed, uber will flood the market and clean up, imagine the same business model but without the drivers wages!!!
posted on 28/4/19
Random, you seem more switched on to what is happening than most. I'm not sure Uber will be king though, but someone will take the mantle.
There is a huge change brewing in transportation, a lot of people won't even see it coming.
posted on 28/4/19
Insert and Amiga.
I am into cars, bikes, the environment and progress.
We move forward or go backwards.
For the planet to survive, as well as modifying transport, we have to review population growth and emerging economies, and that is perhaps the time when hard questions come up.
posted on 28/4/19
Amiga
Ireland had a different cultural view to drink and driving but death on roads changed that.
However, family in NZ say the locals legally have 5 odd beers and can drive because pubs are often away from anything civilized?😊
posted on 28/4/19
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 28 minutes ago
thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 21 hours, 5 minutes ago
Also Cigarettes and alcohol are more personal, and don't affect others directly. Humans driving on our roads certainly do affect others.
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Knew guys who drank and drove and still cannot believe they did it...one had beer in his passenger seat while driving and boys on the West of Ireland just drink and drive due to distance of pubs from home.
think you have highlighted one of the reasons automation will take over.
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Not condoning it and would not have a pint even and drive or ride a bike.
Partly why I got back into petrolhead land was 9 years sober.
posted on 28/4/19
Never thought you were Blue, but there are plenty of people who don't belong behind the wheel.
As I said it is one of the reasons autonomy will take over.
posted on 29/4/19
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 11 hours, 29 minutes ago
Random, you seem more switched on to what is happening than most. I'm not sure Uber will be king though, but someone will take the mantle.
There is a huge change brewing in transportation, a lot of people won't even see it coming.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There will be challengers of course, thats the idea of free market economics.. Not that affordability will be put before shareholders sadly.
But uber are clearing the ground for it, taxi firms out of business wherever they go. Un-unionised self employed gig-economy workers with no legal recourse left.
If we dont sort out how automation will affect society soon, we are all going to get trampled by it!
posted on 27/6/19
Insert random username
There will be challengers of course, thats the idea of free market economics.. Not that affordability will be put before shareholders sadly.
But uber are clearing the ground for it, taxi firms out of business wherever they go. Un-unionised self employed gig-economy workers with no legal recourse left.
If we dont sort out how automation will affect society soon, we are all going to get trampled by it!
Automation is going to change everything, people will end up no longer owning cars, simply calling them up as and when needed, at a fraction of the cost of owning one.
Automation is not something society should hide from, those first to embrace it will have a massive advantage over any modern economy dragging their feet.
posted on 28/6/19
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 20 hours, 28 minutes ago
Insert random username
There will be challengers of course, thats the idea of free market economics.. Not that affordability will be put before shareholders sadly.
But uber are clearing the ground for it, taxi firms out of business wherever they go. Un-unionised self employed gig-economy workers with no legal recourse left.
If we dont sort out how automation will affect society soon, we are all going to get trampled by it!
Automation is going to change everything, people will end up no longer owning cars, simply calling them up as and when needed, at a fraction of the cost of owning one.
Automation is not something society should hide from, those first to embrace it will have a massive advantage over any modern economy dragging their feet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We need to embrace it without reservation, what we need to address is how it benefits society to combat mass unemployment.
Half of all jobs gone, that's either half the population unemployed, or the profits and benefits of automation being shared, and everyone working 20 hours a week!!
posted on 2/7/19
We need to embrace it without reservation, what we need to address is how it benefits society to combat mass unemployment.
Insert random username
Half of all jobs gone, that's either half the population unemployed, or the profits and benefits of automation being shared, and everyone working 20 hours a week!!
I agree with this, but my point is, it is and will happen and we would be stupid to pretend otherwise.
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