I’d add that Dermot seems also to be influenced by Salah going down.

TOOR thinks he dived, I do too. Dermot seems not so sure.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 30 seconds ago
“He may not have given the pen had Salah not dived.”

He didn’t dive. It really is that simple.

https://www.themag.co.uk/2018/12/former-top-referee-rules-on-liverpool-v-newcastle-controversial-incident-dermot-gallagher-newcastle-united/

Former refs eh, what would they know about the rules and stuff?
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That’s his opinion.

Doesn’t change my point.
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It’s his opinion based on a far better understanding of the rules than you.

You keep saying TOOR doesn’t know the rules etc, and alluding to you having a superior knowledge. Well I’ll bet that Dermot Gallagher has a far better understanding what woth him being a professional ref for years.

The FA also thought it wasn’t a dive;

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11669/11592475/mohamed-salah-escapes-fa-action-over-liverpool-penalty-incident-vs-newcastle

“Liverpool were awarded the penalty two minutes into the second half after referee Graham Scott judged Salah had been pulled back by Paul Dummett.

Sky Sports News understands Salah's reaction to being pulled back did not reach the required threshold for "attempting to deceive the referee" and so the Egyptian will not face retrospective action.”

Who to believe, an ex ref and The FA, or Winston?

I’m entitled to my opinion and can back it up based on the law.

TOOR can’t.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m entitled to my opinion and can back it up based on the law.

TOOR can’t.
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Well an ex ref and The FA gave their opinion based on the law, and a superior understanding of it than you.

Unless you think you know better than both?

The FA haven’t contradicted my opinion.

I don’t think my opinion is superior. But it is valid.

comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 17 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 41 seconds ago
Pretty sure every fan thinks the ref and media are against their club.
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No not every fan not even most fans, its about media not refs
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But my comment was about both
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Mine wasnt the media is nog against Spurs, stop having this small club mentality.

No point arguing with him. This is the guy who said that UEFA, FIFA and referees don't understand the handball law but he does.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 33 minutes ago
The FA haven’t contradicted my opinion.

I don’t think my opinion is superior. But it is valid.
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Well they have. I provided a link showing you they have.

comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 56 minutes ago
No point arguing with him. This is the guy who said that UEFA, FIFA and referees don't understand the handball law but he does.
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I didnt say that, liar.

You, however, did say that you don’t need to know the laws to know if it’s a foul.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 56 minutes ago
No point arguing with him. This is the guy who said that UEFA, FIFA and referees don't understand the handball law but he does.
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I didnt say that, liar.

You, however, did say that you don’t need to know the laws to know if it’s a foul.
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Yes you did.

"I wouldn't even say that - I think UEFA have issued guidance that contradicts the law because they don't understand it."

comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 33 minutes ago
The FA haven’t contradicted my opinion.

I don’t think my opinion is superior. But it is valid.
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Well they have. I provided a link showing you they have.
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No, you have a link showing why he didn’t face retrospective action. I never claimed he should face retrospective action.

Hope this helps.

comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 40 seconds ago
"I wouldn't even say that - I think UEFA have issued guidance that contradicts the law because they don't understand it."

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And later clarified what I meant by that.

Your lying won’t help you here, TOOR, and you won’t change the debate as you are desperate to do.

Your comments about the Salah incident are wrong.

Where did I mention FIFA or the referees, TOOR?

You are trying to make things up to win a debate. It’s all you have left.

"The World Cup has shown that VAR officials have used the system incorrectly, against guidelines. It has also shown that some referees don't understand the handball law."

Here are indisputable facts:

- We do not know if the referee would have given a penalty had Salah not have dived.
- That said, it’s a matter of opinion whether he dived. I think he did. TOOR thinks he did. Gallagher seems not so sure.
- Whether it was a foul is a matter of opinion. I base my opinion on the actual law.
- Anyone who says it was 100% a foul is wrong.

comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
"The World Cup has shown that VAR officials have used the system incorrectly, against guidelines. It has also shown that some referees don't understand the handball law."

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Ah, you’re being cute with it now TOOR.

I believed you were referring to the debate last week. I already acknowledged my error with that, and it happened because we weren’t privvy to the handball guidance that has been issued.

I can actually admit when I make a mistake. You can’t.

Thanks for highlighting that.

"It has indeed aligned with what you said - I'll give you that.

The difference is though, I think that is because the VAR officials have made a mistake. I'm convinced by that.

I think you'll find that is the case and that as VAR takes hold, I'll be proven right. These are just teething errors."

comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 2 seconds ago
"It has indeed aligned with what you said - I'll give you that.

The difference is though, I think that is because the VAR officials have made a mistake. I'm convinced by that.

I think you'll find that is the case and that as VAR takes hold, I'll be proven right. These are just teething errors."
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Yep, still do.

I don’t think their guidance conforms to a clear and obvious error. I’m not the only one - lots of high profile criticism on that point.

So there we have it. Winston claimed, FIFA UEFA and referees didn't understand the law but he understood it and eventually they would come round to his thinking. They haven't, obviously. He then tried to lie that he had said it but I posted his quotes. Oh dear. Unlucky Winston. One day you'll understand this law and how it is applied. Have a nice day.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 33 minutes ago
The FA haven’t contradicted my opinion.

I don’t think my opinion is superior. But it is valid.
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Well they have. I provided a link showing you they have.
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No, you have a link showing why he didn’t face retrospective action. I never claimed he should face retrospective action.

Hope this helps.
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I never said you did.

The ref ah the game didn’t think it was a dive, an ex ref didn’t think it was a dive, pundits at the time did t say it was a dive and the FA looked at it after the game and didn’t punish him because.......they didn’t think it was a dive.

Winston knows best though.

TOOR spending lots of time finding quotes about my interpretation of the laws.

This is the guy who openly admitted he doesn’t even need to read the laws to judge whether there has been a foul.

Truly incredible hypocrisy.

comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 33 minutes ago
The FA haven’t contradicted my opinion.

I don’t think my opinion is superior. But it is valid.
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Well they have. I provided a link showing you they have.
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No, you have a link showing why he didn’t face retrospective action. I never claimed he should face retrospective action.

Hope this helps.
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I never said you did.

The ref ah the game didn’t think it was a dive, an ex ref didn’t think it was a dive, pundits at the time did t say it was a dive and the FA looked at it after the game and didn’t punish him because.......they didn’t think it was a dive.

Winston knows best though.
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So how have the FA contradicted me then?

They haven’t. Thanks for trying.

TOOR ‘I don’t need to know the laws to know it was a foul’

Notice how the Liverpool fans try to change the subject when they’re losing a debate.

Won’t be long before the personal comments start.

Predictable bunch.