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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
‘No one if forcing you to be here’
Says the guy who keeps telling everyone he’s leaving and then carries on posting.
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Because no one is forcing me to come or go
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And no one is forcing me to be here, so why did you say it?
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You said you were bored. I suggested doing something else.
What’s the problem?
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You really need to learn how to read.
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This is what you’ve been reduced to.
Oh dear
Oh yes, it’s me that’s the problem.
You jumped into a debate about the FA apparently contradicting my opinion and ended up debating the meaning of the word action.
Face it, you were wrong. Yet again you tried your luck and I’ve destroyed you.
In future, try to discuss topics rather than targeting me for arguments. You’re welcome to keep trying of course, but I do worry that this constant embarrassment is upsetting you.
I see Salah dived again today.
No doubt TOOR will be on to tell us how he’s entitled to go down because he wouldn’t get the decision otherwise.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 minutes ago
Oh yes, it’s me that’s the problem.
You jumped into a debate about the FA apparently contradicting my opinion and ended up debating the meaning of the word action.
Face it, you were wrong. Yet again you tried your luck and I’ve destroyed you.
In future, try to discuss topics rather than targeting me for arguments. You’re welcome to keep trying of course, but I do worry that this constant embarrassment is upsetting you.
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Ah Winston revisionist version of events again.
I came into the discussion talking about whether Salah dived or not. I believe he didn’t, was fouled although he over did going down. I’ve provided quotes from former refs & the FA showing there are plenty of people who agree. People that have a better knowledge of the laws of the game than you profess to.
You were the one who took it down the route of ‘taking action’ and it apparently meaning something completely different to what it actually means with regard to the FA and this incident.
You claim Salah dived. The FA do not agree or they would’ve taken action when reviewing it. They could not find evidence to suggest Salah tried to deceive the ref, or dive.
Yet another sign Winston has lost the argument and is resorting to petty sound bites. ‘I’ve destroyed you’ . What’s even funnier is you don’t realise how sad that sounds
Then there’s this gem
“In future, try to discuss topics rather than targeting me for arguments”
I didn’t target you. I disagreed with something you said. There’s that arrogance again. The same one that tells people he knows the laws of the game more than someone else.
Noticed it took me to mention you hadn’t commented on your own teams result today to eventually do it. It’s hard work discussing an incident that has nothing to do with your team, months after it happened. I guess it made you forget you were playing today.
Anyway, I see your mind is made up regarding the incident today. How many months do you think you’ll get out of this one? Bet you’re over the moon. 3 more months of telling people ‘I’ve destroyed you’
Do you think you can lie and no one will notice?
You dragged this onto the meaning of FA action, not me.
The funniest part of it all is that even your own fans think he dived. Yet apparently me holding that opinion is so outrageous.
Face facts. You picked specific things I’d said, tried to argue them and got it all wrong. Some of the stuff you said is unbelievably stupid.
For example, I said we don’t know if the referee would have given a pen had he not dived, you then said ‘well we do know because he gave the pen’.
Everything I said was spot on and yet again you’re scraping around trying to move the goalposts to Dave yourself.
And yet again you’ve failed.
‘Noticed it took me to mention you hadn’t commented on your own teams result today to eventually do it. It’s hard work discussing an incident that has nothing to do with your team, months after it happened. I guess it made you forget you were playing today.’
I don’t know what’s funnier; you following me around or you thinking that’s the reason for my post about United.
You’re genuinely hilarious.
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comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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The FA haven’t contradicted my opinion.
I don’t think my opinion is superior. But it is valid.
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Well they have. I provided a link showing you they have.
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No, you have a link showing why he didn’t face retrospective action. I never claimed he should face retrospective action.
Hope this helps.
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I never said you did.
The ref ah the game didn’t think it was a dive, an ex ref didn’t think it was a dive, pundits at the time did t say it was a dive and the FA looked at it after the game and didn’t punish him because.......they didn’t think it was a dive.
Winston knows best though.
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So how have the FA contradicted me then?
They haven’t. Thanks for trying.
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First mention of the FA contradicting you, comment made by you.
This so your respond ego my reply that the FA had contradicted you;
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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The FA haven’t contradicted my opinion.
I don’t think my opinion is superior. But it is valid.
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Well they have. I provided a link showing you they have.
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No, you have a link showing why he didn’t face retrospective action. I never claimed he should face retrospective action.
Hope this helps.
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I never said you did.
The ref ah the game didn’t think it was a dive, an ex ref didn’t think it was a dive, pundits at the time did t say it was a dive and the FA looked at it after the game and didn’t punish him because.......they didn’t think it was a dive.
Winston knows best though.
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So how have the FA contradicted me then?
They haven’t. Thanks for trying.
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Of course they have
You think Salah dived, they didn’t.
You can tell your losing the argument when you start but the passive aggressive sentences at the end of comments.
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No, there’s a big difference between not taking retrospective action and agreeing with the decision.
You seem to be a little confused about what the lack of retrospective action means. Do you need some help?
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And yet you call me a liar. It’s there in black and white you thick caaant
I’ll wait for the ‘Ive destroyed you’ outburst
Now off you pop. Go and concern yourself with more important matters, like your shiite club
“For example, I said we don’t know if the referee would have given a pen had he not dived, you then said ‘well we do know because he gave the pen’.”
Salah didn’t dive, the ref gave the pen.
You say ‘it’s only my opinion Salah dived’ then say later had he not dived as if it’s fact.
You’re a fookin mess lad. Off you pop rain man.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
I see Salah dived again today.
No doubt TOOR will be on to tell us how he’s entitled to go down because he wouldn’t get the decision otherwise.
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Exactly. If he didn't go down, the defender would have got away with holding him for about ten seconds. Why should he be put at a disadvantage when fouled? I don't know why it's a shock to you, it has been happening for decades.
Until you can prove to me that Salah would have got a penalty without going down, then I'm not going to agree that players shouldn't go down when fouled to highlight it. The referee had loads of time on this occasion to give the penalty but he didn't until Salah went down. If that's not proof then I don't know what is.
FieldsofAnnie
What is that mess of a response?
I responded to your comments about the FA. Why would I say the FA haven’t contradicted my view if you and TOOR and suggested they had?
This is unbelievable.
You’re trying to dismiss my opinion based on other people disagreeing with it and you failed. The FA don’t have an opinion on it and plenty of pundits thought it was a dive. That just leaves Dermot Gallagher.
Funny thing is, TOOR agrees it was a dive. Don’t see you crying to him.
You keep saying that no retrospective action means the FA agrees with the decision but that’s nonsense. What it means is there isn’t evidence for retrospective action, but I know that already.
Everything I said about the Salah incident was 100% correct and you can not dismiss my opinion on whether it was a foul and a dive because it’s subjective.
Which part don’t you understand?
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 7 hours, 18 minutes ago
“For example, I said we don’t know if the referee would have given a pen had he not dived, you then said ‘well we do know because he gave the pen’.”
Salah didn’t dive, the ref gave the pen.
You say ‘it’s only my opinion Salah dived’ then say later had he not dived as if it’s fact.
You’re a fookin mess lad. Off you pop rain man.
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In my opinion he did dive and that’s why the ref gave a pen. I don’t believe it was a foul.
I believe the referee was influenced into believing the contact was greater than it was because of the dive.
I’ll ask again, can you actually read?
comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 6 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
I see Salah dived again today.
No doubt TOOR will be on to tell us how he’s entitled to go down because he wouldn’t get the decision otherwise.
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Exactly. If he didn't go down, the defender would have got away with holding him for about ten seconds. Why should he be put at a disadvantage when fouled? I don't know why it's a shock to you, it has been happening for decades.
Until you can prove to me that Salah would have got a penalty without going down, then I'm not going to agree that players shouldn't go down when fouled to highlight it. The referee had loads of time on this occasion to give the penalty but he didn't until Salah went down. If that's not proof then I don't know what is.
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So Salah now gets to decide if he’s been fouled.
This makes life easier for referees because if they see Salah go to ground and they know they must give a pen. When Salah announces he’s been fouled then the referees don’t need to use judgement anymore, good old Salah has decided for them.
Salah will process what has happened himself and Salah gets to decide whether a foul has occurred.
So, TOOR, are all players permitted to make this decision? Shall we just give them all their own whistle and tell the referee to go home?
Oh but hang on, what happens if Salah dives for something that the referee doesn’t think is a foul?
There appears to be a slight flaw in that plan, TOOR.
And by slight flaw, I mean a gaping fecking hole.
There are two major issues with the idea that players are entitled to go down:
1. It is absolutely not for the player to decide if he’s been fouled. It is the referees job.
Throwing yourself to the floor changes the referee’s perception of the incident by suggesting the contact is greater than it is and therefore we cannot know what the referee would have given before the dive.
2. The idea that players take into account all factors and make a conscious decision that they’ve been fouled is hogwash.
For incidents like yesterday there’s some basis but for incidents like the one vs Newcastle, it’s an absurd claim.
Salah a felt a hand on him and immediately went over. As do lots of players like Ashley Young, for example
The idea that they have processed the incident in their minds and thought ‘I’ve been fouled here, I need to alert the referee’ is nonsense.
Players cheat. They sense an opportunity to go down and they do it. Trying to legitimise that behaviour is simply wrong and if you need proof of that, just read the laws of the game.
Is there a problem with fouls not being given when players are not forced to the ground? Possibly. Not a big one, in my view, and certainly not big enough to justify players throwing themselves over.
Exaggerating contact is a far bigger problem in the game imo.
But as long as you have fans like TOOR, willing to justify any behaviour from his players, it’ll always be accepted.
Holy shiiiit, rage typing 5 comments in a row at 6am desperate to save face.
Winnie properly owned by FieldsofAnnie here
Rage trying.
Good to see you’re still following me around like a little lapdog.
Winston
What are you babbling about now you complete mess.
My reply to you showed it was you who brought up the meaning of ‘retrospective action’ after you accused me of doing so and called me a liar.
It is there in black and white you thick cannt.
You don’t even know what you’re going on about now. Luckily it’s not like you were up at the crack of dawn on a bank holiday smashing fook out of your keyboard or anything !
Yet again Winston gets it wrong. Bet you won’t admit to it. Maybe try reading the comment you made, and the response, before replying. You won’t make yourself look as stupid as you are at the moment.
Winston
“In my opinion he did dive and that’s why the ref gave a pen. I don’t believe it was a foul.”
Of course you do. You’ve also put yourself in the same category as Sandy and BillytheYidd when it comes to being able to objectively view an incident and decide whether it was a dive or not.
See yesterday’s pen incident involving Salah and your view on it as proof
But you’ll ramble on about some ballacks about knowing the rules better than anyone else and drag this out for months because you ‘can accept other people’s opinions’
Even funnier is watching you spend so much time discussing an incident that had nothing to do with you, your club or any of your clubs players. It’s fookin weird
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 6 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
I see Salah dived again today.
No doubt TOOR will be on to tell us how he’s entitled to go down because he wouldn’t get the decision otherwise.
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Exactly. If he didn't go down, the defender would have got away with holding him for about ten seconds. Why should he be put at a disadvantage when fouled? I don't know why it's a shock to you, it has been happening for decades.
Until you can prove to me that Salah would have got a penalty without going down, then I'm not going to agree that players shouldn't go down when fouled to highlight it. The referee had loads of time on this occasion to give the penalty but he didn't until Salah went down. If that's not proof then I don't know what is.
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So Salah now gets to decide if he’s been fouled.
This makes life easier for referees because if they see Salah go to ground and they know they must give a pen. When Salah announces he’s been fouled then the referees don’t need to use judgement anymore, good old Salah has decided for them.
Salah will process what has happened himself and Salah gets to decide whether a foul has occurred.
So, TOOR, are all players permitted to make this decision? Shall we just give them all their own whistle and tell the referee to go home?
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No, referees have to decide. Players will highlight fouls. Not just now but for decades. Until referees give fouls, even when the player hasn't went down, it will keep happening. I really don't understand why it's a shock to you. Have you been living in a dungeon for the past couple of decades, with no access to football?
Yes all players have felt they are entitled to go down when fouled. Do I agree with it? Yes and no. I don't like it, it's diving and it can deceive the referee even when there has been no foul committed. Salah tried to do one earlier in the season when he believed the foul was incoming, it didnt come and the dive was terrible. He was lucky he didn't get booked. However I would hate to see attackers put at a disadvantage like that big ape all over Salah yesterday and not get anything for it. So for me, going down is the lesser of the two evils. When they start giving fouls without the need to go down and issuing bookings when they do, then it will reduce. Until then, you're fighting a losing battle which perhaps coincidentally has become a major topic for you both when Suarez was at Liverpool and now that Salah is. Hmm.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Oh but hang on, what happens if Salah dives for something that the referee doesn’t think is a foul?
There appears to be a slight flaw in that plan, TOOR.
And by slight flaw, I mean a gaping fecking hole.
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If he hasn't been fouled but dives, he should be booked.
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
Winston
“In my opinion he did dive and that’s why the ref gave a pen. I don’t believe it was a foul.”
Of course you do. You’ve also put yourself in the same category as Sandy and BillytheYidd when it comes to being able to objectively view an incident and decide whether it was a dive or not.
See yesterday’s pen incident involving Salah and your view on it as proof
But you’ll ramble on about some ballacks about knowing the rules better than anyone else and drag this out for months because you ‘can accept other people’s opinions’
Even funnier is watching you spend so much time discussing an incident that had nothing to do with you, your club or any of your clubs players. It’s fookin weird
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You brought up the FA, you absolute donut. You claimed the FA disagreed with me, which started the retrospective discussion.
You’re actually incapable of reading aren’t you?
And yes, I’m biased. So how do you explain TOOR agreeing that he dived?
Love the fact that you avoided the Kane question as well. It’s just one error after another with you.
Everything I said was spot on and you’ve tried, and failed, to dismiss an opinion that can’t be dismissed because it’s based on a subjective law.
comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Oh but hang on, what happens if Salah dives for something that the referee doesn’t think is a foul?
There appears to be a slight flaw in that plan, TOOR.
And by slight flaw, I mean a gaping fecking hole.
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If he hasn't been fouled but dives, he should be booked.
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So who decides if Salah is alerting the referee to a foul or cheating?
You?
What happens in a scenario where a player thinks he has been fouled but the referee disagrees? If the player throws himself to the floor, he’s potentially influenced a challenge that the referee didn’t perceive to be a foul, into then believing it’s a foul because the player enhanced the degree of contact involved.
That could have happened with the Salah incident va Newcastle.
This justification of diving is nonsense because it consistently makes challenges look worse than they are, deceiving the referee in the process.
I’d love to know if you have historically defences Ashley Young for the same thing. Something tells me that this is all because it’s a Liverpool player.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
Winston
“In my opinion he did dive and that’s why the ref gave a pen. I don’t believe it was a foul.”
Of course you do. You’ve also put yourself in the same category as Sandy and BillytheYidd when it comes to being able to objectively view an incident and decide whether it was a dive or not.
See yesterday’s pen incident involving Salah and your view on it as proof
But you’ll ramble on about some ballacks about knowing the rules better than anyone else and drag this out for months because you ‘can accept other people’s opinions’
Even funnier is watching you spend so much time discussing an incident that had nothing to do with you, your club or any of your clubs players. It’s fookin weird
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You brought up the FA, you absolute donut. You claimed the FA disagreed with me, which started the retrospective discussion.
You’re actually incapable of reading aren’t you?
And yes, I’m biased. So how do you explain TOOR agreeing that he dived?
Love the fact that you avoided the Kane question as well. It’s just one error after another with you.
Everything I said was spot on and you’ve tried, and failed, to dismiss an opinion that can’t be dismissed because it’s based on a subjective law.
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I think people have different interpretations on what a dive is. My interpretation is simple. If you go down when you could have stayed on your feet, you have dived, even when a foul has occurred. Other people don't see going down easily when fouled as a dive.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Oh but hang on, what happens if Salah dives for something that the referee doesn’t think is a foul?
There appears to be a slight flaw in that plan, TOOR.
And by slight flaw, I mean a gaping fecking hole.
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If he hasn't been fouled but dives, he should be booked.
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So who decides if Salah is alerting the referee to a foul or cheating?
You?
What happens in a scenario where a player thinks he has been fouled but the referee disagrees? If the player throws himself to the floor, he’s potentially influenced a challenge that the referee didn’t perceive to be a foul, into then believing it’s a foul because the player enhanced the degree of contact involved.
That could have happened with the Salah incident va Newcastle.
This justification of diving is nonsense because it consistently makes challenges look worse than they are, deceiving the referee in the process.
I’d love to know if you have historically defences Ashley Young for the same thing. Something tells me that this is all because it’s a Liverpool player.
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The referee decides of course. Have you forgot how football works?
comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
Winston
“In my opinion he did dive and that’s why the ref gave a pen. I don’t believe it was a foul.”
Of course you do. You’ve also put yourself in the same category as Sandy and BillytheYidd when it comes to being able to objectively view an incident and decide whether it was a dive or not.
See yesterday’s pen incident involving Salah and your view on it as proof
But you’ll ramble on about some ballacks about knowing the rules better than anyone else and drag this out for months because you ‘can accept other people’s opinions’
Even funnier is watching you spend so much time discussing an incident that had nothing to do with you, your club or any of your clubs players. It’s fookin weird
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You brought up the FA, you absolute donut. You claimed the FA disagreed with me, which started the retrospective discussion.
You’re actually incapable of reading aren’t you?
And yes, I’m biased. So how do you explain TOOR agreeing that he dived?
Love the fact that you avoided the Kane question as well. It’s just one error after another with you.
Everything I said was spot on and you’ve tried, and failed, to dismiss an opinion that can’t be dismissed because it’s based on a subjective law.
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I think people have different interpretations on what a dive is. My interpretation is simple. If you go down when you could have stayed on your feet, you have dived, even when a foul has occurred. Other people don't see going down easily when fouled as a dive.
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I don’t care what your interpretation is, I go by the actual laws.
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posted on 21/4/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
‘No one if forcing you to be here’
Says the guy who keeps telling everyone he’s leaving and then carries on posting.
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Because no one is forcing me to come or go
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And no one is forcing me to be here, so why did you say it?
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You said you were bored. I suggested doing something else.
What’s the problem?
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You really need to learn how to read.
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This is what you’ve been reduced to.
Oh dear
posted on 21/4/19
Oh yes, it’s me that’s the problem.
You jumped into a debate about the FA apparently contradicting my opinion and ended up debating the meaning of the word action.
Face it, you were wrong. Yet again you tried your luck and I’ve destroyed you.
In future, try to discuss topics rather than targeting me for arguments. You’re welcome to keep trying of course, but I do worry that this constant embarrassment is upsetting you.
posted on 21/4/19
I see Salah dived again today.
No doubt TOOR will be on to tell us how he’s entitled to go down because he wouldn’t get the decision otherwise.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 minutes ago
Oh yes, it’s me that’s the problem.
You jumped into a debate about the FA apparently contradicting my opinion and ended up debating the meaning of the word action.
Face it, you were wrong. Yet again you tried your luck and I’ve destroyed you.
In future, try to discuss topics rather than targeting me for arguments. You’re welcome to keep trying of course, but I do worry that this constant embarrassment is upsetting you.
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Ah Winston revisionist version of events again.
I came into the discussion talking about whether Salah dived or not. I believe he didn’t, was fouled although he over did going down. I’ve provided quotes from former refs & the FA showing there are plenty of people who agree. People that have a better knowledge of the laws of the game than you profess to.
You were the one who took it down the route of ‘taking action’ and it apparently meaning something completely different to what it actually means with regard to the FA and this incident.
You claim Salah dived. The FA do not agree or they would’ve taken action when reviewing it. They could not find evidence to suggest Salah tried to deceive the ref, or dive.
Yet another sign Winston has lost the argument and is resorting to petty sound bites. ‘I’ve destroyed you’ . What’s even funnier is you don’t realise how sad that sounds
Then there’s this gem
“In future, try to discuss topics rather than targeting me for arguments”
I didn’t target you. I disagreed with something you said. There’s that arrogance again. The same one that tells people he knows the laws of the game more than someone else.
Noticed it took me to mention you hadn’t commented on your own teams result today to eventually do it. It’s hard work discussing an incident that has nothing to do with your team, months after it happened. I guess it made you forget you were playing today.
Anyway, I see your mind is made up regarding the incident today. How many months do you think you’ll get out of this one? Bet you’re over the moon. 3 more months of telling people ‘I’ve destroyed you’
posted on 21/4/19
Do you think you can lie and no one will notice?
You dragged this onto the meaning of FA action, not me.
The funniest part of it all is that even your own fans think he dived. Yet apparently me holding that opinion is so outrageous.
Face facts. You picked specific things I’d said, tried to argue them and got it all wrong. Some of the stuff you said is unbelievably stupid.
For example, I said we don’t know if the referee would have given a pen had he not dived, you then said ‘well we do know because he gave the pen’.
Everything I said was spot on and yet again you’re scraping around trying to move the goalposts to Dave yourself.
And yet again you’ve failed.
posted on 21/4/19
‘Noticed it took me to mention you hadn’t commented on your own teams result today to eventually do it. It’s hard work discussing an incident that has nothing to do with your team, months after it happened. I guess it made you forget you were playing today.’
I don’t know what’s funnier; you following me around or you thinking that’s the reason for my post about United.
You’re genuinely hilarious.
posted on 21/4/19
“comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 33 minutes ago
The FA haven’t contradicted my opinion.
I don’t think my opinion is superior. But it is valid.
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Well they have. I provided a link showing you they have.
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No, you have a link showing why he didn’t face retrospective action. I never claimed he should face retrospective action.
Hope this helps.
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I never said you did.
The ref ah the game didn’t think it was a dive, an ex ref didn’t think it was a dive, pundits at the time did t say it was a dive and the FA looked at it after the game and didn’t punish him because.......they didn’t think it was a dive.
Winston knows best though.
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So how have the FA contradicted me then?
They haven’t. Thanks for trying.
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First mention of the FA contradicting you, comment made by you.
This so your respond ego my reply that the FA had contradicted you;
“comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 33 minutes ago
The FA haven’t contradicted my opinion.
I don’t think my opinion is superior. But it is valid.
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Well they have. I provided a link showing you they have.
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No, you have a link showing why he didn’t face retrospective action. I never claimed he should face retrospective action.
Hope this helps.
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I never said you did.
The ref ah the game didn’t think it was a dive, an ex ref didn’t think it was a dive, pundits at the time did t say it was a dive and the FA looked at it after the game and didn’t punish him because.......they didn’t think it was a dive.
Winston knows best though.
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So how have the FA contradicted me then?
They haven’t. Thanks for trying.
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Of course they have
You think Salah dived, they didn’t.
You can tell your losing the argument when you start but the passive aggressive sentences at the end of comments.
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No, there’s a big difference between not taking retrospective action and agreeing with the decision.
You seem to be a little confused about what the lack of retrospective action means. Do you need some help?
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And yet you call me a liar. It’s there in black and white you thick caaant
I’ll wait for the ‘Ive destroyed you’ outburst
Now off you pop. Go and concern yourself with more important matters, like your shiite club
posted on 21/4/19
“For example, I said we don’t know if the referee would have given a pen had he not dived, you then said ‘well we do know because he gave the pen’.”
Salah didn’t dive, the ref gave the pen.
You say ‘it’s only my opinion Salah dived’ then say later had he not dived as if it’s fact.
You’re a fookin mess lad. Off you pop rain man.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
I see Salah dived again today.
No doubt TOOR will be on to tell us how he’s entitled to go down because he wouldn’t get the decision otherwise.
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Exactly. If he didn't go down, the defender would have got away with holding him for about ten seconds. Why should he be put at a disadvantage when fouled? I don't know why it's a shock to you, it has been happening for decades.
Until you can prove to me that Salah would have got a penalty without going down, then I'm not going to agree that players shouldn't go down when fouled to highlight it. The referee had loads of time on this occasion to give the penalty but he didn't until Salah went down. If that's not proof then I don't know what is.
posted on 22/4/19
FieldsofAnnie
What is that mess of a response?
I responded to your comments about the FA. Why would I say the FA haven’t contradicted my view if you and TOOR and suggested they had?
This is unbelievable.
You’re trying to dismiss my opinion based on other people disagreeing with it and you failed. The FA don’t have an opinion on it and plenty of pundits thought it was a dive. That just leaves Dermot Gallagher.
Funny thing is, TOOR agrees it was a dive. Don’t see you crying to him.
You keep saying that no retrospective action means the FA agrees with the decision but that’s nonsense. What it means is there isn’t evidence for retrospective action, but I know that already.
Everything I said about the Salah incident was 100% correct and you can not dismiss my opinion on whether it was a foul and a dive because it’s subjective.
Which part don’t you understand?
posted on 22/4/19
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 7 hours, 18 minutes ago
“For example, I said we don’t know if the referee would have given a pen had he not dived, you then said ‘well we do know because he gave the pen’.”
Salah didn’t dive, the ref gave the pen.
You say ‘it’s only my opinion Salah dived’ then say later had he not dived as if it’s fact.
You’re a fookin mess lad. Off you pop rain man.
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In my opinion he did dive and that’s why the ref gave a pen. I don’t believe it was a foul.
I believe the referee was influenced into believing the contact was greater than it was because of the dive.
I’ll ask again, can you actually read?
posted on 22/4/19
comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 6 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
I see Salah dived again today.
No doubt TOOR will be on to tell us how he’s entitled to go down because he wouldn’t get the decision otherwise.
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Exactly. If he didn't go down, the defender would have got away with holding him for about ten seconds. Why should he be put at a disadvantage when fouled? I don't know why it's a shock to you, it has been happening for decades.
Until you can prove to me that Salah would have got a penalty without going down, then I'm not going to agree that players shouldn't go down when fouled to highlight it. The referee had loads of time on this occasion to give the penalty but he didn't until Salah went down. If that's not proof then I don't know what is.
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So Salah now gets to decide if he’s been fouled.
This makes life easier for referees because if they see Salah go to ground and they know they must give a pen. When Salah announces he’s been fouled then the referees don’t need to use judgement anymore, good old Salah has decided for them.
Salah will process what has happened himself and Salah gets to decide whether a foul has occurred.
So, TOOR, are all players permitted to make this decision? Shall we just give them all their own whistle and tell the referee to go home?
posted on 22/4/19
Oh but hang on, what happens if Salah dives for something that the referee doesn’t think is a foul?
There appears to be a slight flaw in that plan, TOOR.
And by slight flaw, I mean a gaping fecking hole.
posted on 22/4/19
There are two major issues with the idea that players are entitled to go down:
1. It is absolutely not for the player to decide if he’s been fouled. It is the referees job.
Throwing yourself to the floor changes the referee’s perception of the incident by suggesting the contact is greater than it is and therefore we cannot know what the referee would have given before the dive.
2. The idea that players take into account all factors and make a conscious decision that they’ve been fouled is hogwash.
For incidents like yesterday there’s some basis but for incidents like the one vs Newcastle, it’s an absurd claim.
Salah a felt a hand on him and immediately went over. As do lots of players like Ashley Young, for example
The idea that they have processed the incident in their minds and thought ‘I’ve been fouled here, I need to alert the referee’ is nonsense.
Players cheat. They sense an opportunity to go down and they do it. Trying to legitimise that behaviour is simply wrong and if you need proof of that, just read the laws of the game.
Is there a problem with fouls not being given when players are not forced to the ground? Possibly. Not a big one, in my view, and certainly not big enough to justify players throwing themselves over.
Exaggerating contact is a far bigger problem in the game imo.
But as long as you have fans like TOOR, willing to justify any behaviour from his players, it’ll always be accepted.
posted on 22/4/19
Holy shiiiit, rage typing 5 comments in a row at 6am desperate to save face.
Winnie properly owned by FieldsofAnnie here
posted on 22/4/19
Rage trying.
Good to see you’re still following me around like a little lapdog.
posted on 22/4/19
Winston
What are you babbling about now you complete mess.
My reply to you showed it was you who brought up the meaning of ‘retrospective action’ after you accused me of doing so and called me a liar.
It is there in black and white you thick cannt.
You don’t even know what you’re going on about now. Luckily it’s not like you were up at the crack of dawn on a bank holiday smashing fook out of your keyboard or anything !
Yet again Winston gets it wrong. Bet you won’t admit to it. Maybe try reading the comment you made, and the response, before replying. You won’t make yourself look as stupid as you are at the moment.
posted on 22/4/19
Winston
“In my opinion he did dive and that’s why the ref gave a pen. I don’t believe it was a foul.”
Of course you do. You’ve also put yourself in the same category as Sandy and BillytheYidd when it comes to being able to objectively view an incident and decide whether it was a dive or not.
See yesterday’s pen incident involving Salah and your view on it as proof
But you’ll ramble on about some ballacks about knowing the rules better than anyone else and drag this out for months because you ‘can accept other people’s opinions’
Even funnier is watching you spend so much time discussing an incident that had nothing to do with you, your club or any of your clubs players. It’s fookin weird
posted on 22/4/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 6 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
I see Salah dived again today.
No doubt TOOR will be on to tell us how he’s entitled to go down because he wouldn’t get the decision otherwise.
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Exactly. If he didn't go down, the defender would have got away with holding him for about ten seconds. Why should he be put at a disadvantage when fouled? I don't know why it's a shock to you, it has been happening for decades.
Until you can prove to me that Salah would have got a penalty without going down, then I'm not going to agree that players shouldn't go down when fouled to highlight it. The referee had loads of time on this occasion to give the penalty but he didn't until Salah went down. If that's not proof then I don't know what is.
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So Salah now gets to decide if he’s been fouled.
This makes life easier for referees because if they see Salah go to ground and they know they must give a pen. When Salah announces he’s been fouled then the referees don’t need to use judgement anymore, good old Salah has decided for them.
Salah will process what has happened himself and Salah gets to decide whether a foul has occurred.
So, TOOR, are all players permitted to make this decision? Shall we just give them all their own whistle and tell the referee to go home?
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No, referees have to decide. Players will highlight fouls. Not just now but for decades. Until referees give fouls, even when the player hasn't went down, it will keep happening. I really don't understand why it's a shock to you. Have you been living in a dungeon for the past couple of decades, with no access to football?
Yes all players have felt they are entitled to go down when fouled. Do I agree with it? Yes and no. I don't like it, it's diving and it can deceive the referee even when there has been no foul committed. Salah tried to do one earlier in the season when he believed the foul was incoming, it didnt come and the dive was terrible. He was lucky he didn't get booked. However I would hate to see attackers put at a disadvantage like that big ape all over Salah yesterday and not get anything for it. So for me, going down is the lesser of the two evils. When they start giving fouls without the need to go down and issuing bookings when they do, then it will reduce. Until then, you're fighting a losing battle which perhaps coincidentally has become a major topic for you both when Suarez was at Liverpool and now that Salah is. Hmm.
posted on 22/4/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Oh but hang on, what happens if Salah dives for something that the referee doesn’t think is a foul?
There appears to be a slight flaw in that plan, TOOR.
And by slight flaw, I mean a gaping fecking hole.
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If he hasn't been fouled but dives, he should be booked.
posted on 22/4/19
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
Winston
“In my opinion he did dive and that’s why the ref gave a pen. I don’t believe it was a foul.”
Of course you do. You’ve also put yourself in the same category as Sandy and BillytheYidd when it comes to being able to objectively view an incident and decide whether it was a dive or not.
See yesterday’s pen incident involving Salah and your view on it as proof
But you’ll ramble on about some ballacks about knowing the rules better than anyone else and drag this out for months because you ‘can accept other people’s opinions’
Even funnier is watching you spend so much time discussing an incident that had nothing to do with you, your club or any of your clubs players. It’s fookin weird
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You brought up the FA, you absolute donut. You claimed the FA disagreed with me, which started the retrospective discussion.
You’re actually incapable of reading aren’t you?
And yes, I’m biased. So how do you explain TOOR agreeing that he dived?
Love the fact that you avoided the Kane question as well. It’s just one error after another with you.
Everything I said was spot on and you’ve tried, and failed, to dismiss an opinion that can’t be dismissed because it’s based on a subjective law.
posted on 22/4/19
comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Oh but hang on, what happens if Salah dives for something that the referee doesn’t think is a foul?
There appears to be a slight flaw in that plan, TOOR.
And by slight flaw, I mean a gaping fecking hole.
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If he hasn't been fouled but dives, he should be booked.
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So who decides if Salah is alerting the referee to a foul or cheating?
You?
What happens in a scenario where a player thinks he has been fouled but the referee disagrees? If the player throws himself to the floor, he’s potentially influenced a challenge that the referee didn’t perceive to be a foul, into then believing it’s a foul because the player enhanced the degree of contact involved.
That could have happened with the Salah incident va Newcastle.
This justification of diving is nonsense because it consistently makes challenges look worse than they are, deceiving the referee in the process.
I’d love to know if you have historically defences Ashley Young for the same thing. Something tells me that this is all because it’s a Liverpool player.
posted on 22/4/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
Winston
“In my opinion he did dive and that’s why the ref gave a pen. I don’t believe it was a foul.”
Of course you do. You’ve also put yourself in the same category as Sandy and BillytheYidd when it comes to being able to objectively view an incident and decide whether it was a dive or not.
See yesterday’s pen incident involving Salah and your view on it as proof
But you’ll ramble on about some ballacks about knowing the rules better than anyone else and drag this out for months because you ‘can accept other people’s opinions’
Even funnier is watching you spend so much time discussing an incident that had nothing to do with you, your club or any of your clubs players. It’s fookin weird
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You brought up the FA, you absolute donut. You claimed the FA disagreed with me, which started the retrospective discussion.
You’re actually incapable of reading aren’t you?
And yes, I’m biased. So how do you explain TOOR agreeing that he dived?
Love the fact that you avoided the Kane question as well. It’s just one error after another with you.
Everything I said was spot on and you’ve tried, and failed, to dismiss an opinion that can’t be dismissed because it’s based on a subjective law.
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I think people have different interpretations on what a dive is. My interpretation is simple. If you go down when you could have stayed on your feet, you have dived, even when a foul has occurred. Other people don't see going down easily when fouled as a dive.
posted on 22/4/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
Oh but hang on, what happens if Salah dives for something that the referee doesn’t think is a foul?
There appears to be a slight flaw in that plan, TOOR.
And by slight flaw, I mean a gaping fecking hole.
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If he hasn't been fouled but dives, he should be booked.
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So who decides if Salah is alerting the referee to a foul or cheating?
You?
What happens in a scenario where a player thinks he has been fouled but the referee disagrees? If the player throws himself to the floor, he’s potentially influenced a challenge that the referee didn’t perceive to be a foul, into then believing it’s a foul because the player enhanced the degree of contact involved.
That could have happened with the Salah incident va Newcastle.
This justification of diving is nonsense because it consistently makes challenges look worse than they are, deceiving the referee in the process.
I’d love to know if you have historically defences Ashley Young for the same thing. Something tells me that this is all because it’s a Liverpool player.
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The referee decides of course. Have you forgot how football works?
posted on 22/4/19
comment by TOORSpursFan (U1721)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
Winston
“In my opinion he did dive and that’s why the ref gave a pen. I don’t believe it was a foul.”
Of course you do. You’ve also put yourself in the same category as Sandy and BillytheYidd when it comes to being able to objectively view an incident and decide whether it was a dive or not.
See yesterday’s pen incident involving Salah and your view on it as proof
But you’ll ramble on about some ballacks about knowing the rules better than anyone else and drag this out for months because you ‘can accept other people’s opinions’
Even funnier is watching you spend so much time discussing an incident that had nothing to do with you, your club or any of your clubs players. It’s fookin weird
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You brought up the FA, you absolute donut. You claimed the FA disagreed with me, which started the retrospective discussion.
You’re actually incapable of reading aren’t you?
And yes, I’m biased. So how do you explain TOOR agreeing that he dived?
Love the fact that you avoided the Kane question as well. It’s just one error after another with you.
Everything I said was spot on and you’ve tried, and failed, to dismiss an opinion that can’t be dismissed because it’s based on a subjective law.
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I think people have different interpretations on what a dive is. My interpretation is simple. If you go down when you could have stayed on your feet, you have dived, even when a foul has occurred. Other people don't see going down easily when fouled as a dive.
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I don’t care what your interpretation is, I go by the actual laws.
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