comment by SKHMOT19 (U21893)
posted 27 minutes ago
Bamford would not had been involved in any incident had villa not gone mental on the goal
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If you'd just booted the ball out like your fans demanded Villa did when Forshaw went down with a non-head injury, nobody would have been banned because common sense would have prevailed. I don't get why so many Leeds fans are ignoring that fact?
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by SKHMOT19 (U21893)
posted 27 minutes ago
Bamford would not had been involved in any incident had villa not gone mental on the goal
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If you'd just booted the ball out like your fans demanded Villa did when Forshaw went down with a non-head injury, nobody would have been banned because common sense would have prevailed. I don't get why so many Leeds fans are ignoring that fact?
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I think the only "fact" is that it is down to the referee to stop the game.
But I do agree it was wrong of Leeds to not put the ball out, simply out of sportsmanship. Villa put the ball out for Leeds, yes, then Leeds didn't put it out and then the goal happened. Eventually, the right conclusion came after Leeds allowed Villa to score imo.
Play to the whistle is rule no 1 why villa fans do not get this just trying to ref the match themselves
villa were the aggressors and should have got lion share of punishment and houlihan should have been banned for the assault on klich who broke no rules
Villa only stopped play once they had no where to go. Watch it back again.
Leeds should filly have played on, the ball was going in the other direction and ref played on.
But it’s not about that, or the faux outrage at Leeds (again) the fact players have got away with assault against our players, AGAIN.
Bamford is a dirty cheat and deserves all the punishment but incident does not happen if villa players don't overreact
comment by SKHMOT19 (U21893)
posted 8 seconds ago
Play to the whistle is rule no 1 why villa fans do not get this just trying to ref the match themselves
villa were the aggressors and should have got lion share of punishment and houlihan should have been banned for the assault on klich who broke no rules
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Its okay saying play to the whistle but if it had happened the other way round you'd have been well annoyed, and probably quite rightly, especially if you'd shown a bit of fair play yourselves not to have it reciprocated.
I hope the one thing that comes out of this sorry little episode is a directive in place for next season whereby the refs are completely in control of when the game is stopped, as is supposed to be the case. Barely a game goes by these days where players stop the game themselves for ridiculous "injuries".
comment by lufc - Harrogate (U6810)
posted 3 minutes ago
Villa only stopped play once they had no where to go. Watch it back again.
Leeds should filly have played on, the ball was going in the other direction and ref played on.
But it’s not about that, or the faux outrage at Leeds (again) the fact players have got away with assault against our players, AGAIN.
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I do agree there should have been further sanctions for Villa players for what happened after the goal. Whether you feel wronged by something or not, you can't just start assaulting people at will. Hourihane in particular is a VERY lucky boy.
Just wondering how many other players have had a ban for simulation. The FA just want to F—- us
It’s twice now against Leeds, Canos headbutt live on sky and now this. I have no issue with Bamford’s punishment.
I also wonder how many other managers would allow a goal to be gifted like that? Zero I reckon, so all this anti-Leeds outrage needs to stop.
Stuart Atwell should have been no where near that game had no control and was very unfair with his decisions and was played by Jack Grealish all game - good job Philips dominated him in the game and he would defo fancy him next time too hopefully in the final but what a nasty player he is very like our own Lee Bowyer that riles everyone
Regardless of what happened during play, what they think is right or wrong does not give the Villa players the rights to start a fracas and do what they did....Bamford gets his just deserts, but so should the Villa player punching twice to the guts of Klich. No excuse. Leeds put it right anyway on the day. Bielsa did the honourable thing, but he will find there is no honour in the FA or EFL. The ref was stood over the incident where the player went down' and let play on. The game is "play to the whistle". The ref had chance to stop the game, but he didn't. So where really does the blame lie. He was useless all the game.
atwell was the main mistake - inept and lost control then gets backed up by the EFL who have a vendetta against the club
Champers. Here's a question. If the ball had broken towards the Leeds goal with a Villa player in a position to score from that contested ball. Do you really believe he would have kicked the ball dead, seeing his player was down, or scored ?. honest answer.
really want villa in the final so we can dominate them again even after there 10 straight wins hopefully next time we get a proper ref who can control game and not get conned so easy - ALAW
comment by icub4me (U10576)
posted 10 minutes ago
Champers. Here's a question. If the ball had broken towards the Leeds goal with a Villa player in a position to score from that contested ball. Do you really believe he would have kicked the ball dead, seeing his player was down, or scored ?. honest answer.
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I would guess scored it, 99 times out of 100. Obviously. It's like the Bielsa situation though. If 3 points would have guaranteed autos, would he have been as gracious in allowing an uncontested equaliser...probably not.
The whole incident is littered with hypothetical hypocrisy though. As my team wasn't involved it's far easier to be objective. In your shoes I know if have the same arguments and viewpoints you have now. There's nothing quite like football to bring out moral blindspots in people
Conor Hourihane at Mateusz Klich during the same melee was not deserving of a violent conduct charge.
It was a repeat of events after October’s draw between Leeds and Brentford when Pontus Jansson received a one-game ban for post-match comments about referee Jeremy Simpson - accusing Simpson of “robbery” - but Brentford winger Sergi Canos escaped sanction despite being caught on camera aiming a headbutt at United’s Gjanni Alioski.
Really gobsmacked the Villa player didn't get the same as Bamford for clearly punching Klich in the guts...How that is deemed not to be violent is incredible.
However this can work in our favour now as this clear bias towards Villa should give Leeds an extra edge and fire in the belly to right the wrongs if we meet in the final.
Darren Gough was stunned that the FA decided not to punish Aston Villa midfielder Conor Hourihane after his actions in the 1-1 draw with Leeds United
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by lufc - Harrogate (U6810)
posted 3 minutes ago
Villa only stopped play once they had no where to go. Watch it back again.
Leeds should filly have played on, the ball was going in the other direction and ref played on.
But it’s not about that, or the faux outrage at Leeds (again) the fact players have got away with assault against our players, AGAIN.
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I do agree there should have been further sanctions for Villa players for what happened after the goal. Whether you feel wronged by something or not, you can't just start assaulting people at will. Hourihane in particular is a VERY lucky boy.
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Bamford got exactly what he deserved.
Hourihane is a very lucky boy twice. Firstly he starts the melee. Let’s say it’s an instant reaction as the goal scorer happens to be right next to him, but it’s still over the top aggression and it instigates the melee that ensues.
The punch... well it wasn’t much of one was it, but it was sly, calculating and not in the heat of the moment. More to the point with Grealish his hard man minder, he goes across the pitch to confront klich.
Both bannable offences imo. The first you could make out he’s just a hothead, the second clearly marks him out as a w*nker.
Mind if being a w*nker was a bannable offence, John terry would have had a short career.
Prince William is a Villa fan so I bet the Sweet FA were looking to keep the establishment happy because a ban for the Villa player would really damage their chances of making the final infront of our future King whereas Bamford missing will probably help us if Roofe can step up now.
Hourihane deserved a ban for just ragging Klich around by his shirt for about 5 minutes, let alone the punch.
It's been very difficult to argue that there isn't a bias against Leeds from the EFL and FA this season. Firstly the Canos headbutt that was waved away, even though it was completely clear he did it. Then Jansson was banned for his comments after the final whistle. Two similar incidents from Deeney and Austin were unpunished, despite Deeney saying the referee "bottled it". Then the whole Spygate thing that was dragged on and on, with odd timing on a statement that was released a few hours before our game against Stoke. 200k fine for breaking no rules. Now this, with Villa avoiding any bans for their players starting a 5 minute brawl and at least 2 incidents of violent conduct. Add to that the general terrible and uneven refereeing this season - we've had 2 decisions in our favour that we shouldn't have got (Wigan red and forest handball) compared to loads against us (Brentford penalty, Jansson red card, 3 red card offences from Sheff Utd unpunished, Alioski penalty called for offside, forest foul as last man only a yellow card, Bamford penalty appeal vs Brentford) and they're just the ones off the top of my head.
I would guess scored it, 99 times out of 100. Obviously. It's like the Bielsa situation though. If 3 points would have guaranteed autos, would he have been as gracious in allowing an uncontested equaliser...probably not.
not so sure champers, bielsa is a special breed.
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 2 minutes ago
I would guess scored it, 99 times out of 100. Obviously. It's like the Bielsa situation though. If 3 points would have guaranteed autos, would he have been as gracious in allowing an uncontested equaliser...probably not.
not so sure champers, bielsa is a special breed.
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He sure is, but I reckon even Mother Theresa would have just told the Villa bench to f-ck off with promotion and a £100M windfall on the line
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 2 minutes ago
I would guess scored it, 99 times out of 100. Obviously. It's like the Bielsa situation though. If 3 points would have guaranteed autos, would he have been as gracious in allowing an uncontested equaliser...probably not.
not so sure champers, bielsa is a special breed.
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He sure is, but I reckon even Mother Theresa would have just told the Villa bench to f-ck off with promotion and a £100M windfall on the line
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Now THAT would have been a huge miracle considering she died so many years ago!!
I'd think Mother Theresa would have told the team to play on and score that goal!..
Even without a footballing brain she'd know that a win there would have put a lot more pressure on Sheff U and the end game could have gone anyway!..
She'd also know that when the ball is in play it's up to the Ref to stop the game and not the players, that goal should have stood and Pontus was right in not agreeing with it!..
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posted on 30/4/19
comment by SKHMOT19 (U21893)
posted 27 minutes ago
Bamford would not had been involved in any incident had villa not gone mental on the goal
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If you'd just booted the ball out like your fans demanded Villa did when Forshaw went down with a non-head injury, nobody would have been banned because common sense would have prevailed. I don't get why so many Leeds fans are ignoring that fact?
posted on 30/4/19
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by SKHMOT19 (U21893)
posted 27 minutes ago
Bamford would not had been involved in any incident had villa not gone mental on the goal
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If you'd just booted the ball out like your fans demanded Villa did when Forshaw went down with a non-head injury, nobody would have been banned because common sense would have prevailed. I don't get why so many Leeds fans are ignoring that fact?
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I think the only "fact" is that it is down to the referee to stop the game.
But I do agree it was wrong of Leeds to not put the ball out, simply out of sportsmanship. Villa put the ball out for Leeds, yes, then Leeds didn't put it out and then the goal happened. Eventually, the right conclusion came after Leeds allowed Villa to score imo.
posted on 30/4/19
Play to the whistle is rule no 1 why villa fans do not get this just trying to ref the match themselves
villa were the aggressors and should have got lion share of punishment and houlihan should have been banned for the assault on klich who broke no rules
posted on 30/4/19
Villa only stopped play once they had no where to go. Watch it back again.
Leeds should filly have played on, the ball was going in the other direction and ref played on.
But it’s not about that, or the faux outrage at Leeds (again) the fact players have got away with assault against our players, AGAIN.
posted on 30/4/19
Bamford is a dirty cheat and deserves all the punishment but incident does not happen if villa players don't overreact
posted on 30/4/19
comment by SKHMOT19 (U21893)
posted 8 seconds ago
Play to the whistle is rule no 1 why villa fans do not get this just trying to ref the match themselves
villa were the aggressors and should have got lion share of punishment and houlihan should have been banned for the assault on klich who broke no rules
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Its okay saying play to the whistle but if it had happened the other way round you'd have been well annoyed, and probably quite rightly, especially if you'd shown a bit of fair play yourselves not to have it reciprocated.
I hope the one thing that comes out of this sorry little episode is a directive in place for next season whereby the refs are completely in control of when the game is stopped, as is supposed to be the case. Barely a game goes by these days where players stop the game themselves for ridiculous "injuries".
posted on 30/4/19
comment by lufc - Harrogate (U6810)
posted 3 minutes ago
Villa only stopped play once they had no where to go. Watch it back again.
Leeds should filly have played on, the ball was going in the other direction and ref played on.
But it’s not about that, or the faux outrage at Leeds (again) the fact players have got away with assault against our players, AGAIN.
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I do agree there should have been further sanctions for Villa players for what happened after the goal. Whether you feel wronged by something or not, you can't just start assaulting people at will. Hourihane in particular is a VERY lucky boy.
posted on 30/4/19
Just wondering how many other players have had a ban for simulation. The FA just want to F—- us
posted on 30/4/19
It’s twice now against Leeds, Canos headbutt live on sky and now this. I have no issue with Bamford’s punishment.
I also wonder how many other managers would allow a goal to be gifted like that? Zero I reckon, so all this anti-Leeds outrage needs to stop.
posted on 30/4/19
Stuart Atwell should have been no where near that game had no control and was very unfair with his decisions and was played by Jack Grealish all game - good job Philips dominated him in the game and he would defo fancy him next time too hopefully in the final but what a nasty player he is very like our own Lee Bowyer that riles everyone
posted on 30/4/19
Regardless of what happened during play, what they think is right or wrong does not give the Villa players the rights to start a fracas and do what they did....Bamford gets his just deserts, but so should the Villa player punching twice to the guts of Klich. No excuse. Leeds put it right anyway on the day. Bielsa did the honourable thing, but he will find there is no honour in the FA or EFL. The ref was stood over the incident where the player went down' and let play on. The game is "play to the whistle". The ref had chance to stop the game, but he didn't. So where really does the blame lie. He was useless all the game.
posted on 30/4/19
atwell was the main mistake - inept and lost control then gets backed up by the EFL who have a vendetta against the club
posted on 30/4/19
Champers. Here's a question. If the ball had broken towards the Leeds goal with a Villa player in a position to score from that contested ball. Do you really believe he would have kicked the ball dead, seeing his player was down, or scored ?. honest answer.
posted on 30/4/19
really want villa in the final so we can dominate them again even after there 10 straight wins hopefully next time we get a proper ref who can control game and not get conned so easy - ALAW
posted on 30/4/19
comment by icub4me (U10576)
posted 10 minutes ago
Champers. Here's a question. If the ball had broken towards the Leeds goal with a Villa player in a position to score from that contested ball. Do you really believe he would have kicked the ball dead, seeing his player was down, or scored ?. honest answer.
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I would guess scored it, 99 times out of 100. Obviously. It's like the Bielsa situation though. If 3 points would have guaranteed autos, would he have been as gracious in allowing an uncontested equaliser...probably not.
The whole incident is littered with hypothetical hypocrisy though. As my team wasn't involved it's far easier to be objective. In your shoes I know if have the same arguments and viewpoints you have now. There's nothing quite like football to bring out moral blindspots in people
posted on 30/4/19
Conor Hourihane at Mateusz Klich during the same melee was not deserving of a violent conduct charge.
It was a repeat of events after October’s draw between Leeds and Brentford when Pontus Jansson received a one-game ban for post-match comments about referee Jeremy Simpson - accusing Simpson of “robbery” - but Brentford winger Sergi Canos escaped sanction despite being caught on camera aiming a headbutt at United’s Gjanni Alioski.
posted on 30/4/19
Really gobsmacked the Villa player didn't get the same as Bamford for clearly punching Klich in the guts...How that is deemed not to be violent is incredible.
However this can work in our favour now as this clear bias towards Villa should give Leeds an extra edge and fire in the belly to right the wrongs if we meet in the final.
posted on 30/4/19
Darren Gough was stunned that the FA decided not to punish Aston Villa midfielder Conor Hourihane after his actions in the 1-1 draw with Leeds United
posted on 30/4/19
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by lufc - Harrogate (U6810)
posted 3 minutes ago
Villa only stopped play once they had no where to go. Watch it back again.
Leeds should filly have played on, the ball was going in the other direction and ref played on.
But it’s not about that, or the faux outrage at Leeds (again) the fact players have got away with assault against our players, AGAIN.
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I do agree there should have been further sanctions for Villa players for what happened after the goal. Whether you feel wronged by something or not, you can't just start assaulting people at will. Hourihane in particular is a VERY lucky boy.
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Bamford got exactly what he deserved.
Hourihane is a very lucky boy twice. Firstly he starts the melee. Let’s say it’s an instant reaction as the goal scorer happens to be right next to him, but it’s still over the top aggression and it instigates the melee that ensues.
The punch... well it wasn’t much of one was it, but it was sly, calculating and not in the heat of the moment. More to the point with Grealish his hard man minder, he goes across the pitch to confront klich.
Both bannable offences imo. The first you could make out he’s just a hothead, the second clearly marks him out as a w*nker.
Mind if being a w*nker was a bannable offence, John terry would have had a short career.
posted on 30/4/19
Prince William is a Villa fan so I bet the Sweet FA were looking to keep the establishment happy because a ban for the Villa player would really damage their chances of making the final infront of our future King whereas Bamford missing will probably help us if Roofe can step up now.
posted on 30/4/19
Hourihane deserved a ban for just ragging Klich around by his shirt for about 5 minutes, let alone the punch.
It's been very difficult to argue that there isn't a bias against Leeds from the EFL and FA this season. Firstly the Canos headbutt that was waved away, even though it was completely clear he did it. Then Jansson was banned for his comments after the final whistle. Two similar incidents from Deeney and Austin were unpunished, despite Deeney saying the referee "bottled it". Then the whole Spygate thing that was dragged on and on, with odd timing on a statement that was released a few hours before our game against Stoke. 200k fine for breaking no rules. Now this, with Villa avoiding any bans for their players starting a 5 minute brawl and at least 2 incidents of violent conduct. Add to that the general terrible and uneven refereeing this season - we've had 2 decisions in our favour that we shouldn't have got (Wigan red and forest handball) compared to loads against us (Brentford penalty, Jansson red card, 3 red card offences from Sheff Utd unpunished, Alioski penalty called for offside, forest foul as last man only a yellow card, Bamford penalty appeal vs Brentford) and they're just the ones off the top of my head.
posted on 30/4/19
I would guess scored it, 99 times out of 100. Obviously. It's like the Bielsa situation though. If 3 points would have guaranteed autos, would he have been as gracious in allowing an uncontested equaliser...probably not.
not so sure champers, bielsa is a special breed.
posted on 30/4/19
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 2 minutes ago
I would guess scored it, 99 times out of 100. Obviously. It's like the Bielsa situation though. If 3 points would have guaranteed autos, would he have been as gracious in allowing an uncontested equaliser...probably not.
not so sure champers, bielsa is a special breed.
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He sure is, but I reckon even Mother Theresa would have just told the Villa bench to f-ck off with promotion and a £100M windfall on the line
posted on 30/4/19
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 2 minutes ago
I would guess scored it, 99 times out of 100. Obviously. It's like the Bielsa situation though. If 3 points would have guaranteed autos, would he have been as gracious in allowing an uncontested equaliser...probably not.
not so sure champers, bielsa is a special breed.
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He sure is, but I reckon even Mother Theresa would have just told the Villa bench to f-ck off with promotion and a £100M windfall on the line
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Now THAT would have been a huge miracle considering she died so many years ago!!
posted on 30/4/19
I'd think Mother Theresa would have told the team to play on and score that goal!..
Even without a footballing brain she'd know that a win there would have put a lot more pressure on Sheff U and the end game could have gone anyway!..
She'd also know that when the ball is in play it's up to the Ref to stop the game and not the players, that goal should have stood and Pontus was right in not agreeing with it!..
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