The only reason it's not got over the line is because there has been a breakdown in communications somewhere along the line.
------------------------------
There could be plenty of other reasons. We might be waiting for them to find replacements or we might have to sell to fund the moves. Have we even agreed the fee or structure of payments yet? How did you get to your conclusion?
No other club does this
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Yeah they do, all the time. United haven't signed anyone convincing. Mount took forever even though they apparently had no competition. And there's noise that Wolfsburg want VdV loaned back, probably they asked for more money if that didn't happen. Tapsoba might be great but we'll lose him to AFCON for a while..
We're all a bit frustrated but like BigAnge said, there's weeks to go yet. If we'd done the reverse business everyone would be crying saying we're never going to sign a CAM again etc. Just need to hold on.
comment by Occa Mack (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
Woolwich now spent 200 mill this summer. They came runners up and now want the title.
Apparently we make more money than them but can only afford one cb.
Levy is a fraud.
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Yep, not to mention the fact that we pay the most for tickets in the league.
There's a strange idea from some of our fans that Arsenal will fall away. They bloody won't. They've got so much stronger. They'll be in the fight again, way more than any other club. They've now got the kind of depth, particularly at the back that means they won't have to worry about a Saliba injury again like last time. Yet here we are, one of the worst defences in the league, unable to sign one let alone both of our centre back targets.
Sorry, whichever way we slice this, we're operating exactly like we always have done. Cautiously, nervously, indecisively, erratically.
I know that building is a process not done overnight but to my mind we have one decent centre half who, to be honest, is woefully unreliable anyway such is his temperament. He will miss at least 10 games next year on that basis alone. We have 2 full backs poor at going forward in Davies and Royal, 3 wing backs in Udogie, Spence and Porro who, as much as it pains me to say it, will find it very, very difficult to adapt to back four system. It is a different role entirely. In fact Pep said himself that Porro is a great player if you play him at wing back which suggests he struggles in a four. Our problems don't begin and end at centre back. There's so much work that needs to be done all along the back four and we've not done anything yet.
We have spent £136m so far including Porro and Kulu.
Hang on, we're supposed to sign fullbacks as well now? Aside from the obvious money thing we've got like 8 on the books already. Expectations need to be lowered, I think.
Most fans agreed that GK, CAM, and CB were our priorities. We've got 2 thirds of it sorted already, and Lucas replacement.
And we spent £140m in the previous two windows.
It's not enough to get to where we need to.
If we could shift some of the deadweight maybe
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Occa Mack (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
Woolwich now spent 200 mill this summer. They came runners up and now want the title.
Apparently we make more money than them but can only afford one cb.
Levy is a fraud.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, not to mention the fact that we pay the most for tickets in the league.
There's a strange idea from some of our fans that Arsenal will fall away. They bloody won't. They've got so much stronger. They'll be in the fight again, way more than any other club. They've now got the kind of depth, particularly at the back that means they won't have to worry about a Saliba injury again like last time. Yet here we are, one of the worst defences in the league, unable to sign one let alone both of our centre back targets.
Sorry, whichever way we slice this, we're operating exactly like we always have done. Cautiously, nervously, indecisively, erratically.
I know that building is a process not done overnight but to my mind we have one decent centre half who, to be honest, is woefully unreliable anyway such is his temperament. He will miss at least 10 games next year on that basis alone. We have 2 full backs poor at going forward in Davies and Royal, 3 wing backs in Udogie, Spence and Porro who, as much as it pains me to say it, will find it very, very difficult to adapt to back four system. It is a different role entirely. In fact Pep said himself that Porro is a great player if you play him at wing back which suggests he struggles in a four. Our problems don't begin and end at centre back. There's so much work that needs to be done all along the back four and we've not done anything yet.
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I couldn’t agree more.
It’s the same old bill sh1 t every year with levy. Fleece the fans and tell us all there’s not enough money to challenge.
Fewer fans are swallowing it now though. If we start the season with either dier or Sanchez in a back four, it will get pretty toxic at the ground. Especially for those of us that will have to pay twenty per cent more for the privilege
If we start the season with either dier or Sanchez in a back four, it will get pretty toxic at the ground.
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Yeah nobody wants that. Can we wait until that happens before we get all moany and toxic tho? I mean you do you I guess but jeez. It's not great chat is it
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 28 seconds ago
Hang on, we're supposed to sign fullbacks as well now? Aside from the obvious money thing we've got like 8 on the books already. Expectations need to be lowered, I think.
Most fans agreed that GK, CAM, and CB were our priorities. We've got 2 thirds of it sorted already, and Lucas replacement.
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No, I'm not saying we do, that's yet to be established but from everything I've heard, Ange rarely employs wing backs in his system. It's nothing against the players we've signed but this is what happens when we absurdly back a manager clearly on the way out in Conte with the Porro signing, only to then bring in a manager that never plays dedicated wing backs in his system.
Listen we have to start somewhere so maybe that area will be rectified in time, or the current ones we have in our squad can adapt well to a new role but you have to ask what the future planning at the club is if we're signing wing back after wing back and then do a complete 180 and go for a manager that adopts a totally different system. There's so much wrong with our recruitment policy or at least there has been. We're now in a position where we probably can't sign a full back even if we wanted to. We have too many unwanted players on our books and absolutely no idea how to get rid of them. I'd be happy with one centre half as a start but there's a lot of defensive surgery required in the next few years.
We just need a plan and stick to it. This is not about money. It's about cohesion of thinking.
Ah right yeah. It's a shambles and no mistake. Hopefully BigAnge marks the end of Levy's 'buy success' manager experiment.
TBF I think it was worth trying. Only he never fully committed. Rodon for Mourinho, Lenglet for Conte.. frustrating.
Oh I guess he didn't commit on the 40m for Porro.. sigh. Yeah I don't make you wrong fridge but it's kind of stating the obvious. All we can do now is make sure we do sensible signings. I'd rather that than quick ones
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 41 minutes ago
I totally understand that we have time but you have to remember that it's not like we're still searching. We've identified VDV and Tapsoba, we've agreed terms with both players and even Fab said that the VDV one was 'really close now'. The only reason it's not got over the line is because there has been a breakdown in communications somewhere along the line. Now you could argue that's as much them as us but either way, it's the lack of ability to get deals done when they're one inch from the finish line that frustrates about the way Levy operates. The latest news about VDV is that other clubs have entered the race, likely bigger ones and if that is the case and he slips through our grasp, how on earth can anyone be blamed but Levy for stalling for a better deal. No other club does this. Certainly not for players in that price range.
There's a strange set of Levy apologists out there.
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 42 minutes ago
I totally understand that we have time but you have to remember that it's not like we're still searching. We've identified VDV and Tapsoba, we've agreed terms with both players and even Fab said that the VDV one was 'really close now'. The only reason it's not got over the line is because there has been a breakdown in communications somewhere along the line. Now you could argue that's as much them as us but either way, it's the lack of ability to get deals done when they're one inch from the finish line that frustrates about the way Levy operates. The latest news about VDV is that other clubs have entered the race, likely bigger ones and if that is the case and he slips through our grasp, how on earth can anyone be blamed but Levy for stalling for a better deal. No other club does this. Certainly not for players in that price range.
There's a strange set of Levy apologists out there.
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Bloke, 42, confused as to how real business works based on his experience on Football Manager
For all Levy's criticisms (of which there are a lot of valid ones).
Our spending since Poch's final summer has been pretty competitive.
comment by Edinspuroglou (U1109)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 42 minutes ago
I totally understand that we have time but you have to remember that it's not like we're still searching. We've identified VDV and Tapsoba, we've agreed terms with both players and even Fab said that the VDV one was 'really close now'. The only reason it's not got over the line is because there has been a breakdown in communications somewhere along the line. Now you could argue that's as much them as us but either way, it's the lack of ability to get deals done when they're one inch from the finish line that frustrates about the way Levy operates. The latest news about VDV is that other clubs have entered the race, likely bigger ones and if that is the case and he slips through our grasp, how on earth can anyone be blamed but Levy for stalling for a better deal. No other club does this. Certainly not for players in that price range.
There's a strange set of Levy apologists out there.
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Bloke, 42, confused as to how real business works based on his experience on Football Manager
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Child, likely about 11, attempts sarcastic remark with false information on every possible level.
comment by Edinspuroglou (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
For all Levy's criticisms (of which there are a lot of valid ones).
Our spending since Poch's final summer has been pretty competitive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well yeah the headline amounts have been fine. To fridge's point though, the strategy behind it has been poor at best. Demonstrated best I think by having to release Doherty to sign a WB for a manager (and style of football) on the outs.
But anyway. None of this is new info or helpful discussion around who we might sign to improve. What's done is done
Assuming transfermarkt is relatively accurate (& as everyone wants us to compare to Arsenal):
19/20
Arsenal 160m Euro
Spurs 150m Euro
20/21
Arsenal 86m Euro
Spurs 110m Euro
21/22
Arsenal 167m Euro
Spurs 95m Euro
22/23
Arsenal 192m Euro
Spurs 177m Euro
23/24 (so far)
Arsenal 231m Euro
Spurs 136m Euro
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspuroglou (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
For all Levy's criticisms (of which there are a lot of valid ones).
Our spending since Poch's final summer has been pretty competitive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well yeah the headline amounts have been fine. To fridge's point though, the strategy behind it has been poor at best. Demonstrated best I think by having to release Doherty to sign a WB for a manager (and style of football) on the outs.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think the strategy in terms of player signings has been that bad really.
My issue is more with the managers we have signed & strategy around that side of the game.
comment by Edinspuroglou (U1109)
posted 12 minutes ago
Assuming transfermarkt is relatively accurate (& as everyone wants us to compare to Arsenal):
19/20
Arsenal 160m Euro
Spurs 150m Euro
20/21
Arsenal 86m Euro
Spurs 110m Euro
21/22
Arsenal 167m Euro
Spurs 95m Euro
22/23
Arsenal 192m Euro
Spurs 177m Euro
23/24 (so far)
Arsenal 231m Euro
Spurs 136m Euro
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about net spend I wonder
Porro will be good at RB for us this season
comment by A Ginger Tottenham Tinge (U10525)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Edinspuroglou (U1109)
posted 12 minutes ago
Assuming transfermarkt is relatively accurate (& as everyone wants us to compare to Arsenal):
19/20
Arsenal 160m Euro
Spurs 150m Euro
20/21
Arsenal 86m Euro
Spurs 110m Euro
21/22
Arsenal 167m Euro
Spurs 95m Euro
22/23
Arsenal 192m Euro
Spurs 177m Euro
23/24 (so far)
Arsenal 231m Euro
Spurs 136m Euro
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about net spend I wonder
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I looked it up. Since 2018 (euro)
Chelsea 750m
Man U 670m
Gooners 544m
Spurs 477m (95m per year)
West Ham 435m
The rest
comment by Christoglou (U20930)
posted about a minute ago
Porro will be good at RB for us this season
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He really needs to be init. That 40m could've been Tapsoba.
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posted on 17/7/23
The only reason it's not got over the line is because there has been a breakdown in communications somewhere along the line.
------------------------------
There could be plenty of other reasons. We might be waiting for them to find replacements or we might have to sell to fund the moves. Have we even agreed the fee or structure of payments yet? How did you get to your conclusion?
posted on 17/7/23
No other club does this
---
Yeah they do, all the time. United haven't signed anyone convincing. Mount took forever even though they apparently had no competition. And there's noise that Wolfsburg want VdV loaned back, probably they asked for more money if that didn't happen. Tapsoba might be great but we'll lose him to AFCON for a while..
We're all a bit frustrated but like BigAnge said, there's weeks to go yet. If we'd done the reverse business everyone would be crying saying we're never going to sign a CAM again etc. Just need to hold on.
posted on 17/7/23
comment by Occa Mack (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
Woolwich now spent 200 mill this summer. They came runners up and now want the title.
Apparently we make more money than them but can only afford one cb.
Levy is a fraud.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, not to mention the fact that we pay the most for tickets in the league.
There's a strange idea from some of our fans that Arsenal will fall away. They bloody won't. They've got so much stronger. They'll be in the fight again, way more than any other club. They've now got the kind of depth, particularly at the back that means they won't have to worry about a Saliba injury again like last time. Yet here we are, one of the worst defences in the league, unable to sign one let alone both of our centre back targets.
Sorry, whichever way we slice this, we're operating exactly like we always have done. Cautiously, nervously, indecisively, erratically.
I know that building is a process not done overnight but to my mind we have one decent centre half who, to be honest, is woefully unreliable anyway such is his temperament. He will miss at least 10 games next year on that basis alone. We have 2 full backs poor at going forward in Davies and Royal, 3 wing backs in Udogie, Spence and Porro who, as much as it pains me to say it, will find it very, very difficult to adapt to back four system. It is a different role entirely. In fact Pep said himself that Porro is a great player if you play him at wing back which suggests he struggles in a four. Our problems don't begin and end at centre back. There's so much work that needs to be done all along the back four and we've not done anything yet.
posted on 17/7/23
We have spent £136m so far including Porro and Kulu.
posted on 17/7/23
Hang on, we're supposed to sign fullbacks as well now? Aside from the obvious money thing we've got like 8 on the books already. Expectations need to be lowered, I think.
Most fans agreed that GK, CAM, and CB were our priorities. We've got 2 thirds of it sorted already, and Lucas replacement.
posted on 17/7/23
And we spent £140m in the previous two windows.
It's not enough to get to where we need to.
posted on 17/7/23
If we could shift some of the deadweight maybe
posted on 17/7/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Occa Mack (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
Woolwich now spent 200 mill this summer. They came runners up and now want the title.
Apparently we make more money than them but can only afford one cb.
Levy is a fraud.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, not to mention the fact that we pay the most for tickets in the league.
There's a strange idea from some of our fans that Arsenal will fall away. They bloody won't. They've got so much stronger. They'll be in the fight again, way more than any other club. They've now got the kind of depth, particularly at the back that means they won't have to worry about a Saliba injury again like last time. Yet here we are, one of the worst defences in the league, unable to sign one let alone both of our centre back targets.
Sorry, whichever way we slice this, we're operating exactly like we always have done. Cautiously, nervously, indecisively, erratically.
I know that building is a process not done overnight but to my mind we have one decent centre half who, to be honest, is woefully unreliable anyway such is his temperament. He will miss at least 10 games next year on that basis alone. We have 2 full backs poor at going forward in Davies and Royal, 3 wing backs in Udogie, Spence and Porro who, as much as it pains me to say it, will find it very, very difficult to adapt to back four system. It is a different role entirely. In fact Pep said himself that Porro is a great player if you play him at wing back which suggests he struggles in a four. Our problems don't begin and end at centre back. There's so much work that needs to be done all along the back four and we've not done anything yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I couldn’t agree more.
It’s the same old bill sh1 t every year with levy. Fleece the fans and tell us all there’s not enough money to challenge.
Fewer fans are swallowing it now though. If we start the season with either dier or Sanchez in a back four, it will get pretty toxic at the ground. Especially for those of us that will have to pay twenty per cent more for the privilege
posted on 17/7/23
If we start the season with either dier or Sanchez in a back four, it will get pretty toxic at the ground.
---
Yeah nobody wants that. Can we wait until that happens before we get all moany and toxic tho? I mean you do you I guess but jeez. It's not great chat is it
posted on 17/7/23
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 28 seconds ago
Hang on, we're supposed to sign fullbacks as well now? Aside from the obvious money thing we've got like 8 on the books already. Expectations need to be lowered, I think.
Most fans agreed that GK, CAM, and CB were our priorities. We've got 2 thirds of it sorted already, and Lucas replacement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, I'm not saying we do, that's yet to be established but from everything I've heard, Ange rarely employs wing backs in his system. It's nothing against the players we've signed but this is what happens when we absurdly back a manager clearly on the way out in Conte with the Porro signing, only to then bring in a manager that never plays dedicated wing backs in his system.
Listen we have to start somewhere so maybe that area will be rectified in time, or the current ones we have in our squad can adapt well to a new role but you have to ask what the future planning at the club is if we're signing wing back after wing back and then do a complete 180 and go for a manager that adopts a totally different system. There's so much wrong with our recruitment policy or at least there has been. We're now in a position where we probably can't sign a full back even if we wanted to. We have too many unwanted players on our books and absolutely no idea how to get rid of them. I'd be happy with one centre half as a start but there's a lot of defensive surgery required in the next few years.
We just need a plan and stick to it. This is not about money. It's about cohesion of thinking.
posted on 17/7/23
Ah right yeah. It's a shambles and no mistake. Hopefully BigAnge marks the end of Levy's 'buy success' manager experiment.
TBF I think it was worth trying. Only he never fully committed. Rodon for Mourinho, Lenglet for Conte.. frustrating.
posted on 17/7/23
Oh I guess he didn't commit on the 40m for Porro.. sigh. Yeah I don't make you wrong fridge but it's kind of stating the obvious. All we can do now is make sure we do sensible signings. I'd rather that than quick ones
posted on 17/7/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 41 minutes ago
I totally understand that we have time but you have to remember that it's not like we're still searching. We've identified VDV and Tapsoba, we've agreed terms with both players and even Fab said that the VDV one was 'really close now'. The only reason it's not got over the line is because there has been a breakdown in communications somewhere along the line. Now you could argue that's as much them as us but either way, it's the lack of ability to get deals done when they're one inch from the finish line that frustrates about the way Levy operates. The latest news about VDV is that other clubs have entered the race, likely bigger ones and if that is the case and he slips through our grasp, how on earth can anyone be blamed but Levy for stalling for a better deal. No other club does this. Certainly not for players in that price range.
There's a strange set of Levy apologists out there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 17/7/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 42 minutes ago
I totally understand that we have time but you have to remember that it's not like we're still searching. We've identified VDV and Tapsoba, we've agreed terms with both players and even Fab said that the VDV one was 'really close now'. The only reason it's not got over the line is because there has been a breakdown in communications somewhere along the line. Now you could argue that's as much them as us but either way, it's the lack of ability to get deals done when they're one inch from the finish line that frustrates about the way Levy operates. The latest news about VDV is that other clubs have entered the race, likely bigger ones and if that is the case and he slips through our grasp, how on earth can anyone be blamed but Levy for stalling for a better deal. No other club does this. Certainly not for players in that price range.
There's a strange set of Levy apologists out there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bloke, 42, confused as to how real business works based on his experience on Football Manager
posted on 17/7/23
Think he's 41 actually
posted on 17/7/23
For all Levy's criticisms (of which there are a lot of valid ones).
Our spending since Poch's final summer has been pretty competitive.
posted on 17/7/23
comment by Edinspuroglou (U1109)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 42 minutes ago
I totally understand that we have time but you have to remember that it's not like we're still searching. We've identified VDV and Tapsoba, we've agreed terms with both players and even Fab said that the VDV one was 'really close now'. The only reason it's not got over the line is because there has been a breakdown in communications somewhere along the line. Now you could argue that's as much them as us but either way, it's the lack of ability to get deals done when they're one inch from the finish line that frustrates about the way Levy operates. The latest news about VDV is that other clubs have entered the race, likely bigger ones and if that is the case and he slips through our grasp, how on earth can anyone be blamed but Levy for stalling for a better deal. No other club does this. Certainly not for players in that price range.
There's a strange set of Levy apologists out there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bloke, 42, confused as to how real business works based on his experience on Football Manager
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Child, likely about 11, attempts sarcastic remark with false information on every possible level.
posted on 17/7/23
comment by Edinspuroglou (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
For all Levy's criticisms (of which there are a lot of valid ones).
Our spending since Poch's final summer has been pretty competitive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well yeah the headline amounts have been fine. To fridge's point though, the strategy behind it has been poor at best. Demonstrated best I think by having to release Doherty to sign a WB for a manager (and style of football) on the outs.
posted on 17/7/23
But anyway. None of this is new info or helpful discussion around who we might sign to improve. What's done is done
posted on 17/7/23
Assuming transfermarkt is relatively accurate (& as everyone wants us to compare to Arsenal):
19/20
Arsenal 160m Euro
Spurs 150m Euro
20/21
Arsenal 86m Euro
Spurs 110m Euro
21/22
Arsenal 167m Euro
Spurs 95m Euro
22/23
Arsenal 192m Euro
Spurs 177m Euro
23/24 (so far)
Arsenal 231m Euro
Spurs 136m Euro
posted on 17/7/23
comment by Bãleš left boot-e-cog-lou (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspuroglou (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
For all Levy's criticisms (of which there are a lot of valid ones).
Our spending since Poch's final summer has been pretty competitive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well yeah the headline amounts have been fine. To fridge's point though, the strategy behind it has been poor at best. Demonstrated best I think by having to release Doherty to sign a WB for a manager (and style of football) on the outs.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think the strategy in terms of player signings has been that bad really.
My issue is more with the managers we have signed & strategy around that side of the game.
posted on 17/7/23
comment by Edinspuroglou (U1109)
posted 12 minutes ago
Assuming transfermarkt is relatively accurate (& as everyone wants us to compare to Arsenal):
19/20
Arsenal 160m Euro
Spurs 150m Euro
20/21
Arsenal 86m Euro
Spurs 110m Euro
21/22
Arsenal 167m Euro
Spurs 95m Euro
22/23
Arsenal 192m Euro
Spurs 177m Euro
23/24 (so far)
Arsenal 231m Euro
Spurs 136m Euro
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about net spend I wonder
posted on 17/7/23
Porro will be good at RB for us this season
posted on 17/7/23
comment by A Ginger Tottenham Tinge (U10525)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Edinspuroglou (U1109)
posted 12 minutes ago
Assuming transfermarkt is relatively accurate (& as everyone wants us to compare to Arsenal):
19/20
Arsenal 160m Euro
Spurs 150m Euro
20/21
Arsenal 86m Euro
Spurs 110m Euro
21/22
Arsenal 167m Euro
Spurs 95m Euro
22/23
Arsenal 192m Euro
Spurs 177m Euro
23/24 (so far)
Arsenal 231m Euro
Spurs 136m Euro
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about net spend I wonder
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I looked it up. Since 2018 (euro)
Chelsea 750m
Man U 670m
Gooners 544m
Spurs 477m (95m per year)
West Ham 435m
The rest
posted on 17/7/23
comment by Christoglou (U20930)
posted about a minute ago
Porro will be good at RB for us this season
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He really needs to be init. That 40m could've been Tapsoba.
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