comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 14 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 4 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Phenomenonecoglou (U20037)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ange Postecoglou on the Fulham loss in the League Cup earlier on in the season:
“When you lose your a nonce, and when you win your a genius.
Luckily I’m neither…Can I say that? You learn something everyday.”
Mate
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all our players got injured anyway
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You see he used the word "nonce".....
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Did he actually or is that just someone on Twitter being pesky
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I think he did but in Oz it means something else...
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idiot, apparently.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/04/trophies-matter-but-postecoglou-is-playing-the-long-game-at-tottenham
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Hes said this a few times including when fulham knocked us out, and while i understand the point hes trying to make, whats annoying is this whole narrative hes pushing that we just want one trophy while he wants sustained success.
I mean, erm, im sure that getting one trophy could be the kickstart to sustained success. Also success is not only PL/CL trophies. If we won 3/4 cups over 5-7 years id say thats sustained success
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/04/trophies-matter-but-postecoglou-is-playing-the-long-game-at-tottenham
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Hes said this a few times including when fulham knocked us out, and while i understand the point hes trying to make, whats annoying is this whole narrative hes pushing that we just want one trophy while he wants sustained success.
I mean, erm, im sure that getting one trophy could be the kickstart to sustained success. Also success is not only PL/CL trophies. If we won 3/4 cups over 5-7 years id say thats sustained success
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You make very well considered and reasoned points.
Maybe he's just trying to take the pressure off the team or something.
Am sure he wants to win things too.
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/04/trophies-matter-but-postecoglou-is-playing-the-long-game-at-tottenham
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Hes said this a few times including when fulham knocked us out, and while i understand the point hes trying to make, whats annoying is this whole narrative hes pushing that we just want one trophy while he wants sustained success.
I mean, erm, im sure that getting one trophy could be the kickstart to sustained success. Also success is not only PL/CL trophies. If we won 3/4 cups over 5-7 years id say thats sustained success
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I completely agree with him. I also agreed with Poch when he said something similar. We all want a trophy but not if it's just some pointless one-off Carabao Cup run. Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us. Chasing one trophy and dropping everything else is what Jose tried to do. A cup to keep his legacy alive with no thought about how we can build for future success. The argument Ange and Poch have is that they believe that building from the bottom up, putting the foundations in takes priority over any early cup attempt because the long term view is that this will lead ultimately to more trophies and more success. If we win a cup this early, great, but it's not essential yet. Finally we have a manager in again who's looking at setting this club up for the long term. To me, those quotes were music to my ears. The long term goal of the club should be mixing it with the big boys and trying to win the biggest trophies. We can leave the Carabao Cups and Conference Leagues to the likes of West Ham. They are not a springboard to success. Anyone that says that is either a moron or a lazy pundit. Just look at the evidence. The only time that has ever happened is when the two best teams in the league happened to win the League Cup first because it's the earliest final. City and Chelsea won more because they were simply the best teams. The League Cup success had no bearing on it. I'm not dismissing it. I'd love us to pick up a trophy but right now our priority is building long term for something bigger and better, not focusing on the here and now.
Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us
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Yet it remains the most notable achievement of the club of that whole decade.
comment by Phenomenonecoglou (U20037)
posted 5 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 14 hours, 1 minute ago
I was so excited to sign him but he's not very good
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Thought he was starting for Leeds and theyre doing well at the mo, was it only a half season loan?
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Hmm. Maybe he's not a bad player he's just a diiick
https://x.com/JoeDonnohue/status/1743269753513181343?s=20
Sounds like he hasn't changed much. Always had a rep for being abit of problem which, is why Boro loaned him out in the first place to Forest.
It's shame, he had potential. Farke was playing a 17 yr old mid at right back instead of him.
comment by Bill Nick "So...2023" (U23088)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us
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Yet it remains the most notable achievement of the club of that whole decade.
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Yes, but like I said to Sandy ages ago, I would take all those years under Poch than that solitary cup success in 2008. Hell, I'd even take just the CL run in 2019 over it. Those were the times when we were truly mixing with the elite and the memories of those victories over City and Ajax will live longer in the minds of fans than that cup victory over Chelsea or Leicester a few years earlier. Any moderately decent side can go on a domestic cup run and get fortunate. It takes a proper team to sustain it in the league.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/04/trophies-matter-but-postecoglou-is-playing-the-long-game-at-tottenham
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Hes said this a few times including when fulham knocked us out, and while i understand the point hes trying to make, whats annoying is this whole narrative hes pushing that we just want one trophy while he wants sustained success.
I mean, erm, im sure that getting one trophy could be the kickstart to sustained success. Also success is not only PL/CL trophies. If we won 3/4 cups over 5-7 years id say thats sustained success
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I completely agree with him. I also agreed with Poch when he said something similar. We all want a trophy but not if it's just some pointless one-off Carabao Cup run. Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us. Chasing one trophy and dropping everything else is what Jose tried to do. A cup to keep his legacy alive with no thought about how we can build for future success. The argument Ange and Poch have is that they believe that building from the bottom up, putting the foundations in takes priority over any early cup attempt because the long term view is that this will lead ultimately to more trophies and more success. If we win a cup this early, great, but it's not essential yet. Finally we have a manager in again who's looking at setting this club up for the long term. To me, those quotes were music to my ears. The long term goal of the club should be mixing it with the big boys and trying to win the biggest trophies. We can leave the Carabao Cups and Conference Leagues to the likes of West Ham. They are not a springboard to success. Anyone that says that is either a moron or a lazy pundit. Just look at the evidence. The only time that has ever happened is when the two best teams in the league happened to win the League Cup first because it's the earliest final. City and Chelsea won more because they were simply the best teams. The League Cup success had no bearing on it. I'm not dismissing it. I'd love us to pick up a trophy but right now our priority is building long term for something bigger and better, not focusing on the here and now.
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Bro what you on about? I’m literally saying that it is incorrect to dismiss trying to win the fa/league cup this year on the basis of that being a one off/the holy grail. My point is “sustained success” has to start somewhere, why can’t it start with a trophy win or can sustained success only start with a PL win?
Secondly, very weak argument to point to the 2008 league cup win. We were mid table ALL season that year, so its hardly the equivalent of if we had won a trophy under poch or now with ange, where we are doing well in the league
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/04/trophies-matter-but-postecoglou-is-playing-the-long-game-at-tottenham
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Hes said this a few times including when fulham knocked us out, and while i understand the point hes trying to make, whats annoying is this whole narrative hes pushing that we just want one trophy while he wants sustained success.
I mean, erm, im sure that getting one trophy could be the kickstart to sustained success. Also success is not only PL/CL trophies. If we won 3/4 cups over 5-7 years id say thats sustained success
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I completely agree with him. I also agreed with Poch when he said something similar. We all want a trophy but not if it's just some pointless one-off Carabao Cup run. Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us. Chasing one trophy and dropping everything else is what Jose tried to do. A cup to keep his legacy alive with no thought about how we can build for future success. The argument Ange and Poch have is that they believe that building from the bottom up, putting the foundations in takes priority over any early cup attempt because the long term view is that this will lead ultimately to more trophies and more success. If we win a cup this early, great, but it's not essential yet. Finally we have a manager in again who's looking at setting this club up for the long term. To me, those quotes were music to my ears. The long term goal of the club should be mixing it with the big boys and trying to win the biggest trophies. We can leave the Carabao Cups and Conference Leagues to the likes of West Ham. They are not a springboard to success. Anyone that says that is either a moron or a lazy pundit. Just look at the evidence. The only time that has ever happened is when the two best teams in the league happened to win the League Cup first because it's the earliest final. City and Chelsea won more because they were simply the best teams. The League Cup success had no bearing on it. I'm not dismissing it. I'd love us to pick up a trophy but right now our priority is building long term for something bigger and better, not focusing on the here and now.
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Bro what you on about? I’m literally saying that it is incorrect to dismiss trying to win the fa/league cup this year on the basis of that being a one off/the holy grail. My point is “sustained success” has to start somewhere, why can’t it start with a trophy win or can sustained success only start with a PL win?
Secondly, very weak argument to point to the 2008 league cup win. We were mid table ALL season that year, so its hardly the equivalent of if we had won a trophy under poch or now with ange, where we are doing well in the league
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The reason why I bring it up is because, generally speaking, a cup win can breed a "we've cracked it" mentality. It can paper over cracks as it clearly did for Ten Hag at United, who have massively regressed since. I'd love us to win a cup but before that happens I want to see progress in the league, patterns of play, a team identity, cohesion, club philosophy, squad improvement etc and I think we're getting the shoots of that under Ange. The signs are good and that beats any cup win for me. I know that ultimately we're aiming for success but as we're still in the building stage I'm in no hurry. I'd rather see us buy younger talent for the future than buy ready made players for success now.
There's nothing wrong with winning now and I'm sure Ange agrees with that but it's not a priority in his first season. I totally get that as he's had virtually no time to recruit in his image and there's nothing worse than rushing it or reacting to injuries by panic buying so we can win a cup this year. We can't take our eye off what we need to do this year. Our plan is to build, not rush to success. If you rush, you ignore the long term plan. You end up bloating the squad looking for reinforcements to win a cup short term but we need to ignore that and plan for the future, not the next six months.
We should be aiming to win everything now and in the future. Anything else is just weak mentality. That’s been spurs problem for 30 years. Certainly during enics tenure
POK saying unsure if Udogie is risked due to a sore hammy.
If that's the case
Porro Phillips Davies Emerson?
Just as Peter O'Toole shouted "NO PRISONERS. NO PRISONERS"
I am going to shout "NO HAMSTRING RISKS. NO HAMSTRING RISKS"
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Bill Nick "So...2023" (U23088)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us
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Yet it remains the most notable achievement of the club of that whole decade.
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Yes, but like I said to Sandy ages ago, I would take all those years under Poch than that solitary cup success in 2008. Hell, I'd even take just the CL run in 2019 over it. Those were the times when we were truly mixing with the elite and the memories of those victories over City and Ajax will live longer in the minds of fans than that cup victory over Chelsea or Leicester a few years earlier. Any moderately decent side can go on a domestic cup run and get fortunate. It takes a proper team to sustain it in the league.
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Fridge, at the risk of being facetious here, but it feels like you are basically saying that success is doing well in the league and that winning cups can be done by anyone? So what is the point of cups then if any half decent team can win it?
This type of mentality is crazy to me and is why Levy can survive with 1 trophy in 22 years
Those wins against City and Ajax were insane, but I've lost track of what that demonstrates
comment by Bill Nick "So...2023" (U23088)
posted 49 minutes ago
happy to replace Richy
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Everyone entitled to their opinion but personally think it's disrespectful to be saying this
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bill Nick "So...2023" (U23088)
posted 49 minutes ago
happy to replace Richy
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Everyone entitled to their opinion but personally think it's disrespectful to be saying this
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I think he's OK when he's not stoned. In those games he's a waste of space though.
2 players each position, each player 1 time only:
.Vicario (8.75), Forster (5)
.Udogie (9.5), Davies (8)
.Porro (9), Emerson (7)
.Romero (8.75), Dier (3)
.vdVen (9.25), - (0)
.Sarr (9.5), Bissouma (8)
.Bentancur (9), Hojberg (5)
.Maddison (8.75), Lo Celso (8.5)
.Son (8), Sessegnon (5)
.Richarlison (5) Veliz/Scarlett (4)
.Kulusevski (7.5), Johnson (5)
1stXI 92.5
2ndXI 58.5
Goalie 13.75/20=69%
Defence 54.5/80=68%
MF 48.75/60= 81%
Attack 34.5/60= 58%
I forgot Hill who is probably > johnson or sessegnon
give him a 6
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67899390
didn't realise Bayern had won the league the last 11 years in a row.
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1743575879588946357?s=46
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 15 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Bill Nick "So...2023" (U23088)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us
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Yet it remains the most notable achievement of the club of that whole decade.
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Yes, but like I said to Sandy ages ago, I would take all those years under Poch than that solitary cup success in 2008. Hell, I'd even take just the CL run in 2019 over it. Those were the times when we were truly mixing with the elite and the memories of those victories over City and Ajax will live longer in the minds of fans than that cup victory over Chelsea or Leicester a few years earlier. Any moderately decent side can go on a domestic cup run and get fortunate. It takes a proper team to sustain it in the league.
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Fridge, at the risk of being facetious here, but it feels like you are basically saying that success is doing well in the league and that winning cups can be done by anyone? So what is the point of cups then if any half decent team can win it?
This type of mentality is crazy to me and is why Levy can survive with 1 trophy in 22 years
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Agreed BBB.....
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comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 14 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 4 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Phenomenonecoglou (U20037)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ange Postecoglou on the Fulham loss in the League Cup earlier on in the season:
“When you lose your a nonce, and when you win your a genius.
Luckily I’m neither…Can I say that? You learn something everyday.”
Mate
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all our players got injured anyway
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You see he used the word "nonce".....
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Did he actually or is that just someone on Twitter being pesky
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I think he did but in Oz it means something else...
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idiot, apparently.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/04/trophies-matter-but-postecoglou-is-playing-the-long-game-at-tottenham
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Hes said this a few times including when fulham knocked us out, and while i understand the point hes trying to make, whats annoying is this whole narrative hes pushing that we just want one trophy while he wants sustained success.
I mean, erm, im sure that getting one trophy could be the kickstart to sustained success. Also success is not only PL/CL trophies. If we won 3/4 cups over 5-7 years id say thats sustained success
posted on 5/1/24
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/04/trophies-matter-but-postecoglou-is-playing-the-long-game-at-tottenham
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Hes said this a few times including when fulham knocked us out, and while i understand the point hes trying to make, whats annoying is this whole narrative hes pushing that we just want one trophy while he wants sustained success.
I mean, erm, im sure that getting one trophy could be the kickstart to sustained success. Also success is not only PL/CL trophies. If we won 3/4 cups over 5-7 years id say thats sustained success
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You make very well considered and reasoned points.
Maybe he's just trying to take the pressure off the team or something.
Am sure he wants to win things too.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/04/trophies-matter-but-postecoglou-is-playing-the-long-game-at-tottenham
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Hes said this a few times including when fulham knocked us out, and while i understand the point hes trying to make, whats annoying is this whole narrative hes pushing that we just want one trophy while he wants sustained success.
I mean, erm, im sure that getting one trophy could be the kickstart to sustained success. Also success is not only PL/CL trophies. If we won 3/4 cups over 5-7 years id say thats sustained success
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I completely agree with him. I also agreed with Poch when he said something similar. We all want a trophy but not if it's just some pointless one-off Carabao Cup run. Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us. Chasing one trophy and dropping everything else is what Jose tried to do. A cup to keep his legacy alive with no thought about how we can build for future success. The argument Ange and Poch have is that they believe that building from the bottom up, putting the foundations in takes priority over any early cup attempt because the long term view is that this will lead ultimately to more trophies and more success. If we win a cup this early, great, but it's not essential yet. Finally we have a manager in again who's looking at setting this club up for the long term. To me, those quotes were music to my ears. The long term goal of the club should be mixing it with the big boys and trying to win the biggest trophies. We can leave the Carabao Cups and Conference Leagues to the likes of West Ham. They are not a springboard to success. Anyone that says that is either a moron or a lazy pundit. Just look at the evidence. The only time that has ever happened is when the two best teams in the league happened to win the League Cup first because it's the earliest final. City and Chelsea won more because they were simply the best teams. The League Cup success had no bearing on it. I'm not dismissing it. I'd love us to pick up a trophy but right now our priority is building long term for something bigger and better, not focusing on the here and now.
posted on 5/1/24
Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us
=======================
Yet it remains the most notable achievement of the club of that whole decade.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Phenomenonecoglou (U20037)
posted 5 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 14 hours, 1 minute ago
I was so excited to sign him but he's not very good
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Thought he was starting for Leeds and theyre doing well at the mo, was it only a half season loan?
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Hmm. Maybe he's not a bad player he's just a diiick
https://x.com/JoeDonnohue/status/1743269753513181343?s=20
posted on 5/1/24
Sounds like he hasn't changed much. Always had a rep for being abit of problem which, is why Boro loaned him out in the first place to Forest.
It's shame, he had potential. Farke was playing a 17 yr old mid at right back instead of him.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Bill Nick "So...2023" (U23088)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us
=======================
Yet it remains the most notable achievement of the club of that whole decade.
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Yes, but like I said to Sandy ages ago, I would take all those years under Poch than that solitary cup success in 2008. Hell, I'd even take just the CL run in 2019 over it. Those were the times when we were truly mixing with the elite and the memories of those victories over City and Ajax will live longer in the minds of fans than that cup victory over Chelsea or Leicester a few years earlier. Any moderately decent side can go on a domestic cup run and get fortunate. It takes a proper team to sustain it in the league.
posted on 5/1/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/04/trophies-matter-but-postecoglou-is-playing-the-long-game-at-tottenham
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Hes said this a few times including when fulham knocked us out, and while i understand the point hes trying to make, whats annoying is this whole narrative hes pushing that we just want one trophy while he wants sustained success.
I mean, erm, im sure that getting one trophy could be the kickstart to sustained success. Also success is not only PL/CL trophies. If we won 3/4 cups over 5-7 years id say thats sustained success
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I completely agree with him. I also agreed with Poch when he said something similar. We all want a trophy but not if it's just some pointless one-off Carabao Cup run. Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us. Chasing one trophy and dropping everything else is what Jose tried to do. A cup to keep his legacy alive with no thought about how we can build for future success. The argument Ange and Poch have is that they believe that building from the bottom up, putting the foundations in takes priority over any early cup attempt because the long term view is that this will lead ultimately to more trophies and more success. If we win a cup this early, great, but it's not essential yet. Finally we have a manager in again who's looking at setting this club up for the long term. To me, those quotes were music to my ears. The long term goal of the club should be mixing it with the big boys and trying to win the biggest trophies. We can leave the Carabao Cups and Conference Leagues to the likes of West Ham. They are not a springboard to success. Anyone that says that is either a moron or a lazy pundit. Just look at the evidence. The only time that has ever happened is when the two best teams in the league happened to win the League Cup first because it's the earliest final. City and Chelsea won more because they were simply the best teams. The League Cup success had no bearing on it. I'm not dismissing it. I'd love us to pick up a trophy but right now our priority is building long term for something bigger and better, not focusing on the here and now.
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Bro what you on about? I’m literally saying that it is incorrect to dismiss trying to win the fa/league cup this year on the basis of that being a one off/the holy grail. My point is “sustained success” has to start somewhere, why can’t it start with a trophy win or can sustained success only start with a PL win?
Secondly, very weak argument to point to the 2008 league cup win. We were mid table ALL season that year, so its hardly the equivalent of if we had won a trophy under poch or now with ange, where we are doing well in the league
posted on 5/1/24
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/04/trophies-matter-but-postecoglou-is-playing-the-long-game-at-tottenham
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Hes said this a few times including when fulham knocked us out, and while i understand the point hes trying to make, whats annoying is this whole narrative hes pushing that we just want one trophy while he wants sustained success.
I mean, erm, im sure that getting one trophy could be the kickstart to sustained success. Also success is not only PL/CL trophies. If we won 3/4 cups over 5-7 years id say thats sustained success
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I completely agree with him. I also agreed with Poch when he said something similar. We all want a trophy but not if it's just some pointless one-off Carabao Cup run. Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us. Chasing one trophy and dropping everything else is what Jose tried to do. A cup to keep his legacy alive with no thought about how we can build for future success. The argument Ange and Poch have is that they believe that building from the bottom up, putting the foundations in takes priority over any early cup attempt because the long term view is that this will lead ultimately to more trophies and more success. If we win a cup this early, great, but it's not essential yet. Finally we have a manager in again who's looking at setting this club up for the long term. To me, those quotes were music to my ears. The long term goal of the club should be mixing it with the big boys and trying to win the biggest trophies. We can leave the Carabao Cups and Conference Leagues to the likes of West Ham. They are not a springboard to success. Anyone that says that is either a moron or a lazy pundit. Just look at the evidence. The only time that has ever happened is when the two best teams in the league happened to win the League Cup first because it's the earliest final. City and Chelsea won more because they were simply the best teams. The League Cup success had no bearing on it. I'm not dismissing it. I'd love us to pick up a trophy but right now our priority is building long term for something bigger and better, not focusing on the here and now.
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Bro what you on about? I’m literally saying that it is incorrect to dismiss trying to win the fa/league cup this year on the basis of that being a one off/the holy grail. My point is “sustained success” has to start somewhere, why can’t it start with a trophy win or can sustained success only start with a PL win?
Secondly, very weak argument to point to the 2008 league cup win. We were mid table ALL season that year, so its hardly the equivalent of if we had won a trophy under poch or now with ange, where we are doing well in the league
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The reason why I bring it up is because, generally speaking, a cup win can breed a "we've cracked it" mentality. It can paper over cracks as it clearly did for Ten Hag at United, who have massively regressed since. I'd love us to win a cup but before that happens I want to see progress in the league, patterns of play, a team identity, cohesion, club philosophy, squad improvement etc and I think we're getting the shoots of that under Ange. The signs are good and that beats any cup win for me. I know that ultimately we're aiming for success but as we're still in the building stage I'm in no hurry. I'd rather see us buy younger talent for the future than buy ready made players for success now.
There's nothing wrong with winning now and I'm sure Ange agrees with that but it's not a priority in his first season. I totally get that as he's had virtually no time to recruit in his image and there's nothing worse than rushing it or reacting to injuries by panic buying so we can win a cup this year. We can't take our eye off what we need to do this year. Our plan is to build, not rush to success. If you rush, you ignore the long term plan. You end up bloating the squad looking for reinforcements to win a cup short term but we need to ignore that and plan for the future, not the next six months.
posted on 5/1/24
We should be aiming to win everything now and in the future. Anything else is just weak mentality. That’s been spurs problem for 30 years. Certainly during enics tenure
posted on 5/1/24
POK saying unsure if Udogie is risked due to a sore hammy.
If that's the case
Porro Phillips Davies Emerson?
posted on 5/1/24
Just as Peter O'Toole shouted "NO PRISONERS. NO PRISONERS"
I am going to shout "NO HAMSTRING RISKS. NO HAMSTRING RISKS"
posted on 5/1/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Bill Nick "So...2023" (U23088)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us
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Yet it remains the most notable achievement of the club of that whole decade.
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Yes, but like I said to Sandy ages ago, I would take all those years under Poch than that solitary cup success in 2008. Hell, I'd even take just the CL run in 2019 over it. Those were the times when we were truly mixing with the elite and the memories of those victories over City and Ajax will live longer in the minds of fans than that cup victory over Chelsea or Leicester a few years earlier. Any moderately decent side can go on a domestic cup run and get fortunate. It takes a proper team to sustain it in the league.
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Fridge, at the risk of being facetious here, but it feels like you are basically saying that success is doing well in the league and that winning cups can be done by anyone? So what is the point of cups then if any half decent team can win it?
This type of mentality is crazy to me and is why Levy can survive with 1 trophy in 22 years
posted on 5/1/24
Those wins against City and Ajax were insane, but I've lost track of what that demonstrates
posted on 5/1/24
happy to replace Richy
posted on 5/1/24
5 in 6
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Bill Nick "So...2023" (U23088)
posted 49 minutes ago
happy to replace Richy
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Everyone entitled to their opinion but personally think it's disrespectful to be saying this
posted on 5/1/24
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bill Nick "So...2023" (U23088)
posted 49 minutes ago
happy to replace Richy
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Everyone entitled to their opinion but personally think it's disrespectful to be saying this
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I think he's OK when he's not stoned. In those games he's a waste of space though.
posted on 6/1/24
2 players each position, each player 1 time only:
.Vicario (8.75), Forster (5)
.Udogie (9.5), Davies (8)
.Porro (9), Emerson (7)
.Romero (8.75), Dier (3)
.vdVen (9.25), - (0)
.Sarr (9.5), Bissouma (8)
.Bentancur (9), Hojberg (5)
.Maddison (8.75), Lo Celso (8.5)
.Son (8), Sessegnon (5)
.Richarlison (5) Veliz/Scarlett (4)
.Kulusevski (7.5), Johnson (5)
1stXI 92.5
2ndXI 58.5
Goalie 13.75/20=69%
Defence 54.5/80=68%
MF 48.75/60= 81%
Attack 34.5/60= 58%
posted on 6/1/24
I forgot Hill who is probably > johnson or sessegnon
give him a 6
posted on 6/1/24
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67899390
posted on 6/1/24
didn't realise Bayern had won the league the last 11 years in a row.
posted on 6/1/24
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1743575879588946357?s=46
posted on 6/1/24
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 15 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Bill Nick "So...2023" (U23088)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Under Ramos we won it in 2008 and were heading for relegation the season after until Redknapp rescued us
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Yet it remains the most notable achievement of the club of that whole decade.
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Yes, but like I said to Sandy ages ago, I would take all those years under Poch than that solitary cup success in 2008. Hell, I'd even take just the CL run in 2019 over it. Those were the times when we were truly mixing with the elite and the memories of those victories over City and Ajax will live longer in the minds of fans than that cup victory over Chelsea or Leicester a few years earlier. Any moderately decent side can go on a domestic cup run and get fortunate. It takes a proper team to sustain it in the league.
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Fridge, at the risk of being facetious here, but it feels like you are basically saying that success is doing well in the league and that winning cups can be done by anyone? So what is the point of cups then if any half decent team can win it?
This type of mentality is crazy to me and is why Levy can survive with 1 trophy in 22 years
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Agreed BBB.....
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