comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
If there was a way to keep Ronaldo he would have done it.
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You could say that about every player if the manager wants to keep them.
Sometimes there is more to it than that though and you have to take other eventualities into consideration.
SAF's record at this kind of thing is as good as it gets.
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Look, it's not black and white but realistically there was no way to keep Ronaldo. He had his heart set on Madrid.
With Pogba, Ferguson didn't play him enough and didn't offer him what he was demanding to stay. I think it's a lot easier to see that Ferguson could have kept Pogba by doing more to keep him. I'm actually shocked that me saying is so controversial. it just seems obvious to me.
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You said it at the top. It isn't black and white. SAF wanted to keep him but was not prepared to give in to Pogbas or his agents demands. At the end if you can't argue against SAF.
But I don't really see any kind of vindication required. SAF always did what he thought was best long term for United. He went always right.
IMO he was right to let Pogba go knowing what we all know now.
- that's the most ridiculous debate I've read for long time.. most are actually agreeing with each other - but somehow finding a way to have a barny
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
If there was a way to keep Ronaldo he would have done it.
......
You could say that about every player if the manager wants to keep them.
Sometimes there is more to it than that though and you have to take other eventualities into consideration.
SAF's record at this kind of thing is as good as it gets.
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Look, it's not black and white but realistically there was no way to keep Ronaldo. He had his heart set on Madrid.
With Pogba, Ferguson didn't play him enough and didn't offer him what he was demanding to stay. I think it's a lot easier to see that Ferguson could have kept Pogba by doing more to keep him. I'm actually shocked that me saying is so controversial. it just seems obvious to me.
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You said it at the top. It isn't black and white. SAF wanted to keep him but was not prepared to give in to Pogbas or his agents demands. At the end if you can't argue against SAF.
But I don't really see any kind of vindication required. SAF always did what he thought was best long term for United. He went always right.
IMO he was right to let Pogba go knowing what we all know now.
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Fair enough. I just remember seeing at least one person describe Pogba as "Ferguson's biggest mistake" at one point so I thought it was interesting how time has almost proven him right even if for the wrong reasons seemingly.
comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 17 minutes ago
- that's the most ridiculous debate I've read for long time.. most are actually agreeing with each other - but somehow finding a way to have a barny
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It's because it's me. I could write the most normal furrrking thing and people would insist on coming in with an attitude with their only purpose being to mock or ridicule me. Other posters get picked on like that too. It's exhausting.
Wahl
I always said SAF should have given him more game time. That is for sure.
From my point of view SAF's biggest mistake was his first retirement announcement and the timing of it.
I would probably change my mind on that if I thought on it for a bit longer.
Whilst wahl might be on the wum, the fact the question has even been asked says a lot about pigba’s Second spell here.
Wahl was definitely wumming with his very first sentence in the OP. That wasn't the case at all.
Pogba left because SAF didnt like his agent
reading the utd fans views on this matter it seems quite clear why pogba left the first time. why they took him back though is another thing. the person usually at fault with young players is their damn agents and his is the worst.
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 17 minutes ago
- that's the most ridiculous debate I've read for long time.. most are actually agreeing with each other - but somehow finding a way to have a barny
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It's because it's me. I could write the most normal furrrking thing and people would insist on coming in with an attitude with their only purpose being to mock or ridicule me. Other posters get picked on like that too. It's exhausting.
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It’s embarrassing. There are grown men on this site that do nothing but go out of their way to pick on people like yourself that want nothing more than to have an honest footballing debate. And they call you the WUM?
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Wahl
I always said SAF should have given him more game time. That is for sure.
From my point of view SAF's biggest mistake was his first retirement announcement and the timing of it.
I would probably change my mind on that if I thought on it for a bit longer.
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Yeah I dunno that much about his supposed attitude problems back then but ability wise he should have played more.
How could this be a wum? I don't actually understand how this being a wum would even work. What would the wum be?
Pogba did not leave because SAF didn't like his agent RDD.
You are correct that SAF didn't like his agent though as SAF called him a $hitbag after Pogba left.
People act like agents are the biggest thing but in the end of the day, the clubs pay the players the money. If Juventus offered more for Pogba than United did then that's the reason Pogba left, not because of his agent.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 30 minutes ago
Pogba did not leave because SAF didn't like his agent RDD.
You are correct that SAF didn't like his agent though as SAF called him a $hitbag after Pogba left.
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Yes, yes he did. If Pogba had a different agent SAF would have given the player some to the deal he wanted. But, as he did on more than 1 occasion, he let his personal feelings get in the way of football business.
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 33 minutes ago
People act like agents are the biggest thing but in the end of the day, the clubs pay the players the money. If Juventus offered more for Pogba than United did then that's the reason Pogba left, not because of his agent.
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The agent was obviously in his ear wanting him to move. What were the agent's motives? Money. He did very well out of the deal. If it were a footballing person he may have told Pogba to knuckle down and be patient, show what you can do and that you can fight for a place. Perhaps this is the reason Pogba has no fight on the pitch and just strolls around. He didn't get the lesson Fergie was trying to teach him.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 33 minutes ago
People act like agents are the biggest thing but in the end of the day, the clubs pay the players the money. If Juventus offered more for Pogba than United did then that's the reason Pogba left, not because of his agent.
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The agent was obviously in his ear wanting him to move. What were the agent's motives? Money. He did very well out of the deal. If it were a footballing person he may have told Pogba to knuckle down and be patient, show what you can do and that you can fight for a place. Perhaps this is the reason Pogba has no fight on the pitch and just strolls around. He didn't get the lesson Fergie was trying to teach him.
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exactly. who knows how many players agents have ruined by pushing them into a move that is wrong for footballing reasons but makes them both a lot richer.
and before someone says it, there's more to football than just money.
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Yes, yes he did.
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No, No he didn't. Pogba left because his agent instigate a move. Not because SAF didn't like his agent.
You might want to Google his agent and see how many times he has done this with other players with no SAF connection.
Off you run now, child.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 33 minutes ago
People act like agents are the biggest thing but in the end of the day, the clubs pay the players the money. If Juventus offered more for Pogba than United did then that's the reason Pogba left, not because of his agent.
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The agent was obviously in his ear wanting him to move. What were the agent's motives? Money. He did very well out of the deal. If it were a footballing person he may have told Pogba to knuckle down and be patient, show what you can do and that you can fight for a place. Perhaps this is the reason Pogba has no fight on the pitch and just strolls around. He didn't get the lesson Fergie was trying to teach him.
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Usually wouldn't agree with TOOR, but he's pretty much spot on here.
I am a Pogba fan and think he gets criticised unfairly at times. For example, during the season run in I think the players in front of him deserved a lot more stick than he did. Lack of movement was criminal.
But I can't deny that he couldn't do with a kick up the backside too. With his ability and stature could you imagine him with the heart and desire of a Keane or a Gerrard? Those two would eat Pogba for breakfast. It pains me to think that Pogba is a World Cup winner and that the history books will laud him as some superstar.
comment by Patriarch (U11015)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am a Pogba fan and think he gets criticised unfairly at times. For example, during the season run in I think the players in front of him deserved a lot more stick than he did. Lack of movement was criminal.
But I can't deny that he couldn't do with a kick up the backside too. With his ability and stature could you imagine him with the heart and desire of a Keane or a Gerrard? Those two would eat Pogba for breakfast. It pains me to think that Pogba is a World Cup winner and that the history books will laud him as some superstar.
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Usually don't agree with you as I have no idea who you are but this is spot on. I do think he deserved massive criticism during the run in as his form picked up when the new manager came in as he felt he had a point to prove with him being taken out of the tram etc. It seemed to me that when he felt he had proved his point he decided he would go back to strolling around and doing lazy misplaced passes. If there is one moment that sums Pogba up for me, it was in a game when he excellently controlled a ball whilst he was on his ass, got up, got it under control, then passed to the opposition.
It just didnt feel right paying 89mil for a player that we let go for free!!
I still cannot get over this fact!
That is because it isn't a fact, Cantona 7. Juve did have to pay us something. It want much.
The didn't have to pay a transfer fee as such, just compensation for the time United had spent training him and his potential etc.
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posted on 14/6/19
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
If there was a way to keep Ronaldo he would have done it.
......
You could say that about every player if the manager wants to keep them.
Sometimes there is more to it than that though and you have to take other eventualities into consideration.
SAF's record at this kind of thing is as good as it gets.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look, it's not black and white but realistically there was no way to keep Ronaldo. He had his heart set on Madrid.
With Pogba, Ferguson didn't play him enough and didn't offer him what he was demanding to stay. I think it's a lot easier to see that Ferguson could have kept Pogba by doing more to keep him. I'm actually shocked that me saying is so controversial. it just seems obvious to me.
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You said it at the top. It isn't black and white. SAF wanted to keep him but was not prepared to give in to Pogbas or his agents demands. At the end if you can't argue against SAF.
But I don't really see any kind of vindication required. SAF always did what he thought was best long term for United. He went always right.
IMO he was right to let Pogba go knowing what we all know now.
posted on 14/6/19
- that's the most ridiculous debate I've read for long time.. most are actually agreeing with each other - but somehow finding a way to have a barny
posted on 14/6/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
If there was a way to keep Ronaldo he would have done it.
......
You could say that about every player if the manager wants to keep them.
Sometimes there is more to it than that though and you have to take other eventualities into consideration.
SAF's record at this kind of thing is as good as it gets.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look, it's not black and white but realistically there was no way to keep Ronaldo. He had his heart set on Madrid.
With Pogba, Ferguson didn't play him enough and didn't offer him what he was demanding to stay. I think it's a lot easier to see that Ferguson could have kept Pogba by doing more to keep him. I'm actually shocked that me saying is so controversial. it just seems obvious to me.
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You said it at the top. It isn't black and white. SAF wanted to keep him but was not prepared to give in to Pogbas or his agents demands. At the end if you can't argue against SAF.
But I don't really see any kind of vindication required. SAF always did what he thought was best long term for United. He went always right.
IMO he was right to let Pogba go knowing what we all know now.
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Fair enough. I just remember seeing at least one person describe Pogba as "Ferguson's biggest mistake" at one point so I thought it was interesting how time has almost proven him right even if for the wrong reasons seemingly.
posted on 14/6/19
comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 17 minutes ago
- that's the most ridiculous debate I've read for long time.. most are actually agreeing with each other - but somehow finding a way to have a barny
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It's because it's me. I could write the most normal furrrking thing and people would insist on coming in with an attitude with their only purpose being to mock or ridicule me. Other posters get picked on like that too. It's exhausting.
posted on 14/6/19
Wahl
I always said SAF should have given him more game time. That is for sure.
From my point of view SAF's biggest mistake was his first retirement announcement and the timing of it.
I would probably change my mind on that if I thought on it for a bit longer.
posted on 14/6/19
Whilst wahl might be on the wum, the fact the question has even been asked says a lot about pigba’s Second spell here.
posted on 14/6/19
Wahl was definitely wumming with his very first sentence in the OP. That wasn't the case at all.
posted on 14/6/19
Pogba left because SAF didnt like his agent
posted on 14/6/19
reading the utd fans views on this matter it seems quite clear why pogba left the first time. why they took him back though is another thing. the person usually at fault with young players is their damn agents and his is the worst.
posted on 14/6/19
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 17 minutes ago
- that's the most ridiculous debate I've read for long time.. most are actually agreeing with each other - but somehow finding a way to have a barny
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It's because it's me. I could write the most normal furrrking thing and people would insist on coming in with an attitude with their only purpose being to mock or ridicule me. Other posters get picked on like that too. It's exhausting.
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It’s embarrassing. There are grown men on this site that do nothing but go out of their way to pick on people like yourself that want nothing more than to have an honest footballing debate. And they call you the WUM?
posted on 14/6/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Wahl
I always said SAF should have given him more game time. That is for sure.
From my point of view SAF's biggest mistake was his first retirement announcement and the timing of it.
I would probably change my mind on that if I thought on it for a bit longer.
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Yeah I dunno that much about his supposed attitude problems back then but ability wise he should have played more.
posted on 14/6/19
How could this be a wum? I don't actually understand how this being a wum would even work. What would the wum be?
posted on 14/6/19
Pogba did not leave because SAF didn't like his agent RDD.
You are correct that SAF didn't like his agent though as SAF called him a $hitbag after Pogba left.
posted on 14/6/19
People act like agents are the biggest thing but in the end of the day, the clubs pay the players the money. If Juventus offered more for Pogba than United did then that's the reason Pogba left, not because of his agent.
posted on 14/6/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 30 minutes ago
Pogba did not leave because SAF didn't like his agent RDD.
You are correct that SAF didn't like his agent though as SAF called him a $hitbag after Pogba left.
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Yes, yes he did. If Pogba had a different agent SAF would have given the player some to the deal he wanted. But, as he did on more than 1 occasion, he let his personal feelings get in the way of football business.
posted on 14/6/19
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 33 minutes ago
People act like agents are the biggest thing but in the end of the day, the clubs pay the players the money. If Juventus offered more for Pogba than United did then that's the reason Pogba left, not because of his agent.
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The agent was obviously in his ear wanting him to move. What were the agent's motives? Money. He did very well out of the deal. If it were a footballing person he may have told Pogba to knuckle down and be patient, show what you can do and that you can fight for a place. Perhaps this is the reason Pogba has no fight on the pitch and just strolls around. He didn't get the lesson Fergie was trying to teach him.
posted on 14/6/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 33 minutes ago
People act like agents are the biggest thing but in the end of the day, the clubs pay the players the money. If Juventus offered more for Pogba than United did then that's the reason Pogba left, not because of his agent.
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The agent was obviously in his ear wanting him to move. What were the agent's motives? Money. He did very well out of the deal. If it were a footballing person he may have told Pogba to knuckle down and be patient, show what you can do and that you can fight for a place. Perhaps this is the reason Pogba has no fight on the pitch and just strolls around. He didn't get the lesson Fergie was trying to teach him.
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exactly. who knows how many players agents have ruined by pushing them into a move that is wrong for footballing reasons but makes them both a lot richer.
and before someone says it, there's more to football than just money.
posted on 14/6/19
Comment deleted by Article Creator
posted on 14/6/19
Yes, yes he did.
....
No, No he didn't. Pogba left because his agent instigate a move. Not because SAF didn't like his agent.
You might want to Google his agent and see how many times he has done this with other players with no SAF connection.
Off you run now, child.
posted on 14/6/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Wahl (U22164)
posted 33 minutes ago
People act like agents are the biggest thing but in the end of the day, the clubs pay the players the money. If Juventus offered more for Pogba than United did then that's the reason Pogba left, not because of his agent.
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The agent was obviously in his ear wanting him to move. What were the agent's motives? Money. He did very well out of the deal. If it were a footballing person he may have told Pogba to knuckle down and be patient, show what you can do and that you can fight for a place. Perhaps this is the reason Pogba has no fight on the pitch and just strolls around. He didn't get the lesson Fergie was trying to teach him.
___________
Usually wouldn't agree with TOOR, but he's pretty much spot on here.
posted on 14/6/19
I am a Pogba fan and think he gets criticised unfairly at times. For example, during the season run in I think the players in front of him deserved a lot more stick than he did. Lack of movement was criminal.
But I can't deny that he couldn't do with a kick up the backside too. With his ability and stature could you imagine him with the heart and desire of a Keane or a Gerrard? Those two would eat Pogba for breakfast. It pains me to think that Pogba is a World Cup winner and that the history books will laud him as some superstar.
posted on 14/6/19
comment by Patriarch (U11015)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am a Pogba fan and think he gets criticised unfairly at times. For example, during the season run in I think the players in front of him deserved a lot more stick than he did. Lack of movement was criminal.
But I can't deny that he couldn't do with a kick up the backside too. With his ability and stature could you imagine him with the heart and desire of a Keane or a Gerrard? Those two would eat Pogba for breakfast. It pains me to think that Pogba is a World Cup winner and that the history books will laud him as some superstar.
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Usually don't agree with you as I have no idea who you are but this is spot on. I do think he deserved massive criticism during the run in as his form picked up when the new manager came in as he felt he had a point to prove with him being taken out of the tram etc. It seemed to me that when he felt he had proved his point he decided he would go back to strolling around and doing lazy misplaced passes. If there is one moment that sums Pogba up for me, it was in a game when he excellently controlled a ball whilst he was on his ass, got up, got it under control, then passed to the opposition.
posted on 14/6/19
It just didnt feel right paying 89mil for a player that we let go for free!!
I still cannot get over this fact!
posted on 14/6/19
That is because it isn't a fact, Cantona 7. Juve did have to pay us something. It want much.
posted on 14/6/19
The didn't have to pay a transfer fee as such, just compensation for the time United had spent training him and his potential etc.
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