comment by Pakistan till I die (U10140)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by shiekh (U19310)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone of the opinion that Alastair Cook retired too early at just 33 years of age? Especially when there was no other banging the door and he was still the best opener in the country?
Think he had another good 4 years left in him.
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There is too much stress in modern cricket. Pre-2000, most players retired when they were close to 40.
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Did England fail there? No way India would allow legend like Kohli to retire at 33, even Australian.. Most GOAT seems to retire late (post 37 yrs) rather than run of gas early on
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
comment by shiekh (U19310)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
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My reasoning is not really about Cook. Its that we need to start a new era of English test cricket with me openers. We have a new captain and as a result I believe it was right for Cook to retire to allow the team to move on. Superb player, but we need to focus on the future.
A life for Burns. Australia didn't review.
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by shiekh (U19310)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
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My reasoning is not really about Cook. Its that we need to start a new era of English test cricket with me openers. We have a new captain and as a result I believe it was right for Cook to retire to allow the team to move on. Superb player, but we need to focus on the future.
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'moving on' if they had better opener in line, then it would be justifiable. By the same logic then, Broad, Anderson should have retired.. Or better yet just start very fresh with u-19 squad, that would be a new era.
I feel Cook retired to preserve his average and think it was a selfish decision
Modern cricket is always used as an excuse for everything, even though really so many people nowadays have the option of retiring from a format.
He was only playing Tests right?
It's good that he went because his from was so poor and we need to move on, but I think he should've been dropped rather than retired (as a hero )
When a batsman retires before 37:
1. He no longer deserves the place(holding place of better players) and thus forced to retire.
2. Injury problems.
3. Personal issues (depression, mental health, etc)
4. Fed up with playing at highest level. No passion left
5. Lure of t20 like IPL (eg abdv)
6. More than the love of game, gives importance to reputation (thus the phrase ending on high)
I think Cook's retirement was mix of reason 1, 4 and 6.
I have huge respect for players who loves playing till they cant perform at the highest level anymore . Eg Jimmy at 37 still had such a passion. Sachin played till 40 causing his ave to fall from 57 to 53, but that shows how much he wanted to play vs cared for his average.
On the other, I lose respect for players like ABDV who hangs their gloves while still able to give plenty to team and fans.
I'm sure England would have preferred to have Cook available but he's made his decision. He's not exactly in prolific form for Essex so there's nothing to suggest we wouldn't struggle with him in the team anyway.
Despite Roy getting out, you can see he was trying to play late and with soft hands. He's only had 3 innings so far so let's see how quick a learner he is.
comment by JustTrue (U13155)
posted 4 minutes ago
I feel Cook retired to preserve his average and think it was a selfish decision
Modern cricket is always used as an excuse for everything, even though really so many people nowadays have the option of retiring from a format.
He was only playing Tests right?
It's good that he went because his from was so poor and we need to move on, but I think he should've been dropped rather than retired (as a hero)
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I would have more respect for him if he was dropped due to poor form and he had still passions to play for England.
Dhoni is dropped recently but hasnt reiteed at 38 shows he still loves to play and give and that is so admirablr.
Cook had it all and had a potential at breaking all time record and not that he was holding any better player back anyway....
comment by TCM (U8959)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm sure England would have preferred to have Cook available but he's made his decision. He's not exactly in prolific form for Essex so there's nothing to suggest we wouldn't struggle with him in the team anyway.
Despite Roy getting out, you can see he was trying to play late and with soft hands. He's only had 3 innings so far so let's see how quick a learner he is.
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He still playing for Essex? Than why not simply continue playing at the highest level, that is what baffles me
comment by shiekh (U19310)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TCM (U8959)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm sure England would have preferred to have Cook available but he's made his decision. He's not exactly in prolific form for Essex so there's nothing to suggest we wouldn't struggle with him in the team anyway.
Despite Roy getting out, you can see he was trying to play late and with soft hands. He's only had 3 innings so far so let's see how quick a learner he is.
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He still playing for Essex? Than why not simply continue playing at the highest level, that is what baffles me
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I’d love to have him in the side despite his struggles but the I think he got fed up with the mental side of test format
No one can say with absolutely certainty other than Cook himself. However the decision has been made and England have moved on.
If Cook was piling on the runs for Essex then this would be a debate worth having but there's a few openers around who would be worth trying before we clamour for the return of Cook.
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posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by shiekh (U19310)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
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My reasoning is not really about Cook. Its that we need to start a new era of English test cricket with me openers. We have a new captain and as a result I believe it was right for Cook to retire to allow the team to move on. Superb player, but we need to focus on the future.
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'moving on' if they had better opener in line, then it would be justifiable. By the same logic then, Broad, Anderson should have retired.. Or better yet just start very fresh with u-19 squad, that would be a new era.
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Actually yes, to some extend I would say that Anderson will retire fairly soon. I have no issues with Cook retiring when he did. We aren't going to give openers a chance if Cook is still there and for all the furore surrounding him when he retired, he actually wasn't consistent and was showing signs. I am happy for Roy to be given a chance. I think he is a superb pmayer and if he can make the adjustment to rest cricket then I think we have one of the best openers on our hands. Let's give him a chance, we haven't done that yet.
The debate is more than Cook. Its about age discrimination too. A 23 yo player going through the same bad form would not be expected to retire but a 33 yo is put under scrutiny.
If a player feels he can play, does it matter if he is 50? Media and public forces these decision.
The fact that these guys continue to play till 40 for counties suggest physically they are still able to play at the highest level. But the media prefernce for young players forces these untimely retirement from such players.
Just think- an England players hold the record for most runs in test history ( would that too not be something to be proud for English fans??)
Amazing escape for Root. Given out caught behind, he reviews and the ball actually hit the stumps but the bail stayed on.
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comment by shiekh (U19310)
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
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comment by shiekh (U19310)
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
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Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
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My reasoning is not really about Cook. Its that we need to start a new era of English test cricket with me openers. We have a new captain and as a result I believe it was right for Cook to retire to allow the team to move on. Superb player, but we need to focus on the future.
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'moving on' if they had better opener in line, then it would be justifiable. By the same logic then, Broad, Anderson should have retired.. Or better yet just start very fresh with u-19 squad, that would be a new era.
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Actually yes, to some extend I would say that Anderson will retire fairly soon. I have no issues with Cook retiring when he did. We aren't going to give openers a chance if Cook is still there and for all the furore surrounding him when he retired, he actually wasn't consistent and was showing signs. I am happy for Roy to be given a chance. I think he is a superb pmayer and if he can make the adjustment to rest cricket then I think we have one of the best openers on our hands. Let's give him a chance, we haven't done that yet.
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That is the issue? Why preferring Roy over Cook , just because he is 6 years younger, when infact Cook wad tried and tested?
Again I think the fact the you, me and general public expect Anderson to retire anytime now is what would put pressure on him to retire. If he thinks he has it in him to play till, say 45, should that not be emcouraged rather than 'expecting him to retire' ?
comment by shiekh (U19310)
I have huge respect for players who loves playing till they cant perform at the highest level anymore . Eg Jimmy at 37 still had such a passion. Sachin played till 40 causing his ave to fall from 57 to 53, but that shows how much he wanted to play vs cared for his average.
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I agree and in addition I also would've picked Jimmy (in the squad at least) for the World Cup
All this "I'm tired, I can't take the mental side, I want to go out on my own terms" is ok if you are leaving a truly great side and have achieved it all, but not so much when you leave the team in a bit of a state (in Tests at least) and then continue to play with your mates at Essex.
comment by JustTrue (U13155)
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comment by shiekh (U19310)
I have huge respect for players who loves playing till they cant perform at the highest level anymore . Eg Jimmy at 37 still had such a passion. Sachin played till 40 causing his ave to fall from 57 to 53, but that shows how much he wanted to play vs cared for his average.
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I agree and in addition I also would've picked Jimmy (in the squad at least) for the World Cup
All this "I'm tired, I can't take the mental side, I want to go out on my own terms" is ok if you are leaving a truly great side and have achieved it all, but not so much when you leave the team in a bit of a state (in Tests at least) and then continue to play with your mates at Essex.
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Exactly my thought.
I also feel if you are well past your best and are holding young players back, then the selectors need to have the bravery to drop the batsman with the big reputation, it shouldn't be a case of "Oh well, he is Cook, he decides whether he plays or not because he made x amount of runs in the past"
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
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Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
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My reasoning is not really about Cook. Its that we need to start a new era of English test cricket with me openers. We have a new captain and as a result I believe it was right for Cook to retire to allow the team to move on. Superb player, but we need to focus on the future.
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'moving on' if they had better opener in line, then it would be justifiable. By the same logic then, Broad, Anderson should have retired.. Or better yet just start very fresh with u-19 squad, that would be a new era.
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Actually yes, to some extend I would say that Anderson will retire fairly soon. I have no issues with Cook retiring when he did. We aren't going to give openers a chance if Cook is still there and for all the furore surrounding him when he retired, he actually wasn't consistent and was showing signs. I am happy for Roy to be given a chance. I think he is a superb pmayer and if he can make the adjustment to rest cricket then I think we have one of the best openers on our hands. Let's give him a chance, we haven't done that yet.
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That is the issue? Why preferring Roy over Cook , just because he is 6 years younger, when infact Cook wad tried and tested?
Again I think the fact the you, me and general public expect Anderson to retire anytime now is what would put pressure on him to retire. If he thinks he has it in him to play till, say 45, should that not be emcouraged rather than 'expecting him to retire' ?
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I think you may have a good point until you realise these guys are playing at the very top level. It's extremely rare for late 30s early 40s to still perform at the top level. It's also about gilding a side for the next, say 3-5 years. Sportsmen know this and sport has to have an element of crudeness to create the top teams. Anderson now has a young and bright Archer snapping at his heels. If Archer has more potential to grow over the next 3 years why would you play a declining Anderson? Or, if Anderson can pick up wickets in England but also abroad then you have to move on.
Archer not Anderson.
Ps I am not suggestint Anderson is done just yet, but I guarantee he retires in the next 2 years.
Im back. Was a little unwell in hospital.
Shet, everything alright?
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comment by shiekh (U19310)
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
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Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
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My reasoning is not really about Cook. Its that we need to start a new era of English test cricket with me openers. We have a new captain and as a result I believe it was right for Cook to retire to allow the team to move on. Superb player, but we need to focus on the future.
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'moving on' if they had better opener in line, then it would be justifiable. By the same logic then, Broad, Anderson should have retired.. Or better yet just start very fresh with u-19 squad, that would be a new era.
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Actually yes, to some extend I would say that Anderson will retire fairly soon. I have no issues with Cook retiring when he did. We aren't going to give openers a chance if Cook is still there and for all the furore surrounding him when he retired, he actually wasn't consistent and was showing signs. I am happy for Roy to be given a chance. I think he is a superb pmayer and if he can make the adjustment to rest cricket then I think we have one of the best openers on our hands. Let's give him a chance, we haven't done that yet.
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That is the issue? Why preferring Roy over Cook , just because he is 6 years younger, when infact Cook wad tried and tested?
Again I think the fact the you, me and general public expect Anderson to retire anytime now is what would put pressure on him to retire. If he thinks he has it in him to play till, say 45, should that not be emcouraged rather than 'expecting him to retire' ?
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I think you may have a good point until you realise these guys are playing at the very top level. It's extremely rare for late 30s early 40s to still perform at the top level. It's also about gilding a side for the next, say 3-5 years. Sportsmen know this and sport has to have an element of crudeness to create the top teams. Anderson now has a young and bright Archer snapping at his heels. If Archer has more potential to grow over the next 3 years why would you play a declining Anderson? Or, if Anderson can pick up wickets in England but also abroad then you have to move on.
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I think younger players should replace the older one by performing better than them and not just by the fact of being young. Then it would be a natural replacement. Also it will force that toughness attitude. You have to earn the place.
Eg, in the past decade so many OZ would-be-great would get chance so late eg Hussey.
If you have Bradman, 38 yrs old averaging 60 in past 3 years, would you pressure him to retire and make way for a new coming player just because the new player is 'future'?
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Shet, everything alright?
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Better.
Got food poisoning at a wedding last week.
I was seriously felt at deaths door.
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posted on 2/8/19
comment by Pakistan till I die (U10140)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by shiekh (U19310)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone of the opinion that Alastair Cook retired too early at just 33 years of age? Especially when there was no other banging the door and he was still the best opener in the country?
Think he had another good 4 years left in him.
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There is too much stress in modern cricket. Pre-2000, most players retired when they were close to 40.
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Did England fail there? No way India would allow legend like Kohli to retire at 33, even Australian.. Most GOAT seems to retire late (post 37 yrs) rather than run of gas early on
posted on 2/8/19
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
posted on 2/8/19
comment by shiekh (U19310)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
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My reasoning is not really about Cook. Its that we need to start a new era of English test cricket with me openers. We have a new captain and as a result I believe it was right for Cook to retire to allow the team to move on. Superb player, but we need to focus on the future.
posted on 2/8/19
A life for Burns. Australia didn't review.
posted on 2/8/19
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by shiekh (U19310)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
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My reasoning is not really about Cook. Its that we need to start a new era of English test cricket with me openers. We have a new captain and as a result I believe it was right for Cook to retire to allow the team to move on. Superb player, but we need to focus on the future.
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'moving on' if they had better opener in line, then it would be justifiable. By the same logic then, Broad, Anderson should have retired.. Or better yet just start very fresh with u-19 squad, that would be a new era.
posted on 2/8/19
I feel Cook retired to preserve his average and think it was a selfish decision
Modern cricket is always used as an excuse for everything, even though really so many people nowadays have the option of retiring from a format.
He was only playing Tests right?
It's good that he went because his from was so poor and we need to move on, but I think he should've been dropped rather than retired (as a hero )
posted on 2/8/19
When a batsman retires before 37:
1. He no longer deserves the place(holding place of better players) and thus forced to retire.
2. Injury problems.
3. Personal issues (depression, mental health, etc)
4. Fed up with playing at highest level. No passion left
5. Lure of t20 like IPL (eg abdv)
6. More than the love of game, gives importance to reputation (thus the phrase ending on high)
I think Cook's retirement was mix of reason 1, 4 and 6.
I have huge respect for players who loves playing till they cant perform at the highest level anymore . Eg Jimmy at 37 still had such a passion. Sachin played till 40 causing his ave to fall from 57 to 53, but that shows how much he wanted to play vs cared for his average.
On the other, I lose respect for players like ABDV who hangs their gloves while still able to give plenty to team and fans.
posted on 2/8/19
I'm sure England would have preferred to have Cook available but he's made his decision. He's not exactly in prolific form for Essex so there's nothing to suggest we wouldn't struggle with him in the team anyway.
Despite Roy getting out, you can see he was trying to play late and with soft hands. He's only had 3 innings so far so let's see how quick a learner he is.
posted on 2/8/19
comment by JustTrue (U13155)
posted 4 minutes ago
I feel Cook retired to preserve his average and think it was a selfish decision
Modern cricket is always used as an excuse for everything, even though really so many people nowadays have the option of retiring from a format.
He was only playing Tests right?
It's good that he went because his from was so poor and we need to move on, but I think he should've been dropped rather than retired (as a hero)
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I would have more respect for him if he was dropped due to poor form and he had still passions to play for England.
Dhoni is dropped recently but hasnt reiteed at 38 shows he still loves to play and give and that is so admirablr.
Cook had it all and had a potential at breaking all time record and not that he was holding any better player back anyway....
posted on 2/8/19
comment by TCM (U8959)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm sure England would have preferred to have Cook available but he's made his decision. He's not exactly in prolific form for Essex so there's nothing to suggest we wouldn't struggle with him in the team anyway.
Despite Roy getting out, you can see he was trying to play late and with soft hands. He's only had 3 innings so far so let's see how quick a learner he is.
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He still playing for Essex? Than why not simply continue playing at the highest level, that is what baffles me
posted on 2/8/19
comment by shiekh (U19310)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TCM (U8959)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm sure England would have preferred to have Cook available but he's made his decision. He's not exactly in prolific form for Essex so there's nothing to suggest we wouldn't struggle with him in the team anyway.
Despite Roy getting out, you can see he was trying to play late and with soft hands. He's only had 3 innings so far so let's see how quick a learner he is.
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He still playing for Essex? Than why not simply continue playing at the highest level, that is what baffles me
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I’d love to have him in the side despite his struggles but the I think he got fed up with the mental side of test format
posted on 2/8/19
No one can say with absolutely certainty other than Cook himself. However the decision has been made and England have moved on.
If Cook was piling on the runs for Essex then this would be a debate worth having but there's a few openers around who would be worth trying before we clamour for the return of Cook.
posted on 2/8/19
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
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Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
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My reasoning is not really about Cook. Its that we need to start a new era of English test cricket with me openers. We have a new captain and as a result I believe it was right for Cook to retire to allow the team to move on. Superb player, but we need to focus on the future.
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'moving on' if they had better opener in line, then it would be justifiable. By the same logic then, Broad, Anderson should have retired.. Or better yet just start very fresh with u-19 squad, that would be a new era.
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Actually yes, to some extend I would say that Anderson will retire fairly soon. I have no issues with Cook retiring when he did. We aren't going to give openers a chance if Cook is still there and for all the furore surrounding him when he retired, he actually wasn't consistent and was showing signs. I am happy for Roy to be given a chance. I think he is a superb pmayer and if he can make the adjustment to rest cricket then I think we have one of the best openers on our hands. Let's give him a chance, we haven't done that yet.
posted on 2/8/19
The debate is more than Cook. Its about age discrimination too. A 23 yo player going through the same bad form would not be expected to retire but a 33 yo is put under scrutiny.
If a player feels he can play, does it matter if he is 50? Media and public forces these decision.
The fact that these guys continue to play till 40 for counties suggest physically they are still able to play at the highest level. But the media prefernce for young players forces these untimely retirement from such players.
Just think- an England players hold the record for most runs in test history ( would that too not be something to be proud for English fans??)
posted on 2/8/19
Amazing escape for Root. Given out caught behind, he reviews and the ball actually hit the stumps but the bail stayed on.
posted on 2/8/19
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comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
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Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
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My reasoning is not really about Cook. Its that we need to start a new era of English test cricket with me openers. We have a new captain and as a result I believe it was right for Cook to retire to allow the team to move on. Superb player, but we need to focus on the future.
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'moving on' if they had better opener in line, then it would be justifiable. By the same logic then, Broad, Anderson should have retired.. Or better yet just start very fresh with u-19 squad, that would be a new era.
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Actually yes, to some extend I would say that Anderson will retire fairly soon. I have no issues with Cook retiring when he did. We aren't going to give openers a chance if Cook is still there and for all the furore surrounding him when he retired, he actually wasn't consistent and was showing signs. I am happy for Roy to be given a chance. I think he is a superb pmayer and if he can make the adjustment to rest cricket then I think we have one of the best openers on our hands. Let's give him a chance, we haven't done that yet.
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That is the issue? Why preferring Roy over Cook , just because he is 6 years younger, when infact Cook wad tried and tested?
Again I think the fact the you, me and general public expect Anderson to retire anytime now is what would put pressure on him to retire. If he thinks he has it in him to play till, say 45, should that not be emcouraged rather than 'expecting him to retire' ?
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comment by shiekh (U19310)
I have huge respect for players who loves playing till they cant perform at the highest level anymore . Eg Jimmy at 37 still had such a passion. Sachin played till 40 causing his ave to fall from 57 to 53, but that shows how much he wanted to play vs cared for his average.
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I agree and in addition I also would've picked Jimmy (in the squad at least) for the World Cup
All this "I'm tired, I can't take the mental side, I want to go out on my own terms" is ok if you are leaving a truly great side and have achieved it all, but not so much when you leave the team in a bit of a state (in Tests at least) and then continue to play with your mates at Essex.
posted on 2/8/19
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comment by shiekh (U19310)
I have huge respect for players who loves playing till they cant perform at the highest level anymore . Eg Jimmy at 37 still had such a passion. Sachin played till 40 causing his ave to fall from 57 to 53, but that shows how much he wanted to play vs cared for his average.
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I agree and in addition I also would've picked Jimmy (in the squad at least) for the World Cup
All this "I'm tired, I can't take the mental side, I want to go out on my own terms" is ok if you are leaving a truly great side and have achieved it all, but not so much when you leave the team in a bit of a state (in Tests at least) and then continue to play with your mates at Essex.
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Exactly my thought.
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I also feel if you are well past your best and are holding young players back, then the selectors need to have the bravery to drop the batsman with the big reputation, it shouldn't be a case of "Oh well, he is Cook, he decides whether he plays or not because he made x amount of runs in the past"
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Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
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My reasoning is not really about Cook. Its that we need to start a new era of English test cricket with me openers. We have a new captain and as a result I believe it was right for Cook to retire to allow the team to move on. Superb player, but we need to focus on the future.
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'moving on' if they had better opener in line, then it would be justifiable. By the same logic then, Broad, Anderson should have retired.. Or better yet just start very fresh with u-19 squad, that would be a new era.
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Actually yes, to some extend I would say that Anderson will retire fairly soon. I have no issues with Cook retiring when he did. We aren't going to give openers a chance if Cook is still there and for all the furore surrounding him when he retired, he actually wasn't consistent and was showing signs. I am happy for Roy to be given a chance. I think he is a superb pmayer and if he can make the adjustment to rest cricket then I think we have one of the best openers on our hands. Let's give him a chance, we haven't done that yet.
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That is the issue? Why preferring Roy over Cook , just because he is 6 years younger, when infact Cook wad tried and tested?
Again I think the fact the you, me and general public expect Anderson to retire anytime now is what would put pressure on him to retire. If he thinks he has it in him to play till, say 45, should that not be emcouraged rather than 'expecting him to retire' ?
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I think you may have a good point until you realise these guys are playing at the very top level. It's extremely rare for late 30s early 40s to still perform at the top level. It's also about gilding a side for the next, say 3-5 years. Sportsmen know this and sport has to have an element of crudeness to create the top teams. Anderson now has a young and bright Archer snapping at his heels. If Archer has more potential to grow over the next 3 years why would you play a declining Anderson? Or, if Anderson can pick up wickets in England but also abroad then you have to move on.
posted on 2/8/19
Archer not Anderson.
Ps I am not suggestint Anderson is done just yet, but I guarantee he retires in the next 2 years.
posted on 2/8/19
Im back. Was a little unwell in hospital.
posted on 2/8/19
Shet, everything alright?
posted on 2/8/19
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
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Cook retired at exactly the right time IMO
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Do you think there was another opener better than Cook at the time he retired? Or you think 33 is too old to open the batting? Why do you think so?
imo, undue pressure was burdened on him to 'perform or retire'. As a fan, its so pain to see legend batsman being forced to retire at pre-37 yo.
He was the only one who had a shot at breaking Sachins 15k runs record too....
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My reasoning is not really about Cook. Its that we need to start a new era of English test cricket with me openers. We have a new captain and as a result I believe it was right for Cook to retire to allow the team to move on. Superb player, but we need to focus on the future.
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'moving on' if they had better opener in line, then it would be justifiable. By the same logic then, Broad, Anderson should have retired.. Or better yet just start very fresh with u-19 squad, that would be a new era.
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Actually yes, to some extend I would say that Anderson will retire fairly soon. I have no issues with Cook retiring when he did. We aren't going to give openers a chance if Cook is still there and for all the furore surrounding him when he retired, he actually wasn't consistent and was showing signs. I am happy for Roy to be given a chance. I think he is a superb pmayer and if he can make the adjustment to rest cricket then I think we have one of the best openers on our hands. Let's give him a chance, we haven't done that yet.
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That is the issue? Why preferring Roy over Cook , just because he is 6 years younger, when infact Cook wad tried and tested?
Again I think the fact the you, me and general public expect Anderson to retire anytime now is what would put pressure on him to retire. If he thinks he has it in him to play till, say 45, should that not be emcouraged rather than 'expecting him to retire' ?
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I think you may have a good point until you realise these guys are playing at the very top level. It's extremely rare for late 30s early 40s to still perform at the top level. It's also about gilding a side for the next, say 3-5 years. Sportsmen know this and sport has to have an element of crudeness to create the top teams. Anderson now has a young and bright Archer snapping at his heels. If Archer has more potential to grow over the next 3 years why would you play a declining Anderson? Or, if Anderson can pick up wickets in England but also abroad then you have to move on.
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I think younger players should replace the older one by performing better than them and not just by the fact of being young. Then it would be a natural replacement. Also it will force that toughness attitude. You have to earn the place.
Eg, in the past decade so many OZ would-be-great would get chance so late eg Hussey.
If you have Bradman, 38 yrs old averaging 60 in past 3 years, would you pressure him to retire and make way for a new coming player just because the new player is 'future'?
posted on 2/8/19
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
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Shet, everything alright?
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Better.
Got food poisoning at a wedding last week.
I was seriously felt at deaths door.
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