comment by Desperate Dier-Bring me Ndombele (U6468)
posted 53 seconds ago
Never thought that VAR would overturn these type of penalty incidents. It will only help in the case of the most blatant dives or wrong decisions imo.
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That was a blatant dive though. If a ref sees that from the proper angle in slow motion, no way she gives it.
For me it wasn't a penalty. I saw the replay in slow motion at the contact was at most minimal, Adrian maybe scratched Abrahams knee with his glove. Certainly nothing that warranted that reaction.
Whether you think it was a penalty or not, the massive underlying problem with VAR last night was the fact that when they reviewed it they just looked at the same crap angle (which showed absolutely nothing) four times in a row.
The angle they had on BT later showed the best view of it, but that angle was not available when they made the decision. It was an absolute nonsense and there is a massive underlying problem with the system if that continues.
If they had made the decision based on all the available angles I'd accept it, but i'm 99% sure they didn't.
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva 6 times baby 6 times (U18359)
posted 2 minutes ago
There wasn't enough contact to justify any type of fall, the theatrical way he went down all pointed to this.
If this sets the precedent that a pen cannot be overturned if there is any contact then VAR will be a massive flop imo
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Well I guess Salah will still be buying pens this season by your logic then.
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Kind of irrelevant to the point
comment by Doovdé™ (U2996)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva 6 times baby 6 times (U18359)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Pidier Pogba (U11414)
posted 3 minutes ago
I thought it was a pen
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Yeah but your a thick cant
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It also didn't seem to check that Adrian was off his line for the saving penalty. Not that it would have made a difference as the pen was crap, but I don't get the inconsistency that VAR seems to be implementing.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 minutes ago
It also didn't seem to check that Adrian was off his line for the saving penalty. Not that it would have made a difference as the pen was crap, but I don't get the inconsistency that VAR seems to be implementing.
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I actually think UEFA wouldn’t have used it at all last night, given the chance.
comment by Doovdé™ (U2996)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva 6 times baby 6 times (U18359)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Pidier Pogba (U11414)
posted 3 minutes ago
I thought it was a pen
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Yeah but your a thick cant
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VAR is the worst thing ever happened to football.
Moaning about Refs was/is part of the game as a regular spectator.
Its the making of football just another TV programme by the TV companies which is killing the game. It's a sport which should be watched live, in the stadium in real time and the ref's decision is final. No ifs, no buts. If those watching on TV don't like it after reviewing a hundred replays of every contentious decision the ref makes and STILL not sure he's right or wrong, then tough on them. Dont forget that in most grounds inc. OT the crowd don't get to see the replays the TV fans get to see and have to sit there in silence whilst the process goes on. In the stadium the watching spectators move on from those moments quickly whilst on TV they will bang on about it in commentary and on into the half and full time debates. Its not an issue for live spectators like it is for armchair TV viewers. When I watch games on TV I can accept that.
The tail is wagging the dog.
Camera angle shown on TV made it impossible to tell if it was a pen. Assume that VAR decision was based on a better view. It certainly wasn't a blatant dive. Mind you it's the same old Chels, they'd be dangerous if they had a goal scorer.
It certainly wasn't a blatant dive.
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This ^
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
It certainly wasn't a blatant dive.
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It really was. He anticipated there may be contact and went for it. If you think being brushed by a fingertip elicits that kind of reaction, then there’s something wrong with you.
So if i touch a guy wit my finger its a pen haha. Idiots
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Doovdé™ (U2996)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva 6 times baby 6 times (U18359)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Pidier Pogba (U11414)
posted 3 minutes ago
I thought it was a pen
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Yeah but your a thick cant
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you're *
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Stop crying it wasnt a blatant dive
Looks like he dived.
If that was Salah all these loud mouths would be calling him all sorts of names.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
It certainly wasn't a blatant dive.
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It really was. He anticipated there may be contact and went for it. If you think being brushed by a fingertip elicits that kind of reaction, then there’s something wrong with you.
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You were probably one of the first posters on here when Salah was given pens last season.
The inconsistency and hypocrisy is mind boggling.
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 28 seconds ago
Stop crying it wasnt a blatant dive
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We ain't crying fella, we won anyway. Knocking the filthy Mancs off their perch in the process
Regardless of whether it was a dive, I'm surprised they didn't take into account that Abraham didn't even have control of the ball. If he never went down then it would have been a goal kick.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
Regardless of whether it was a dive, I'm surprised they didn't take into account that Abraham didn't even have control of the ball. If he never went down then it would have been a goal kick.
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This drives me crazy about penalties
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 9 minutes ago
Stop crying it wasnt a blatant dive
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I’m not sure the referee can *know* that Abraham is going to ground anyway.
He leaps, both feet off the ground, stretching for the ball, which he obviously reaches. His leading foot is the one he has to land on and plant, and that’s the one which is clipped by the keeper.
A direct free kick is given by the referee if an opposition player carelessly, recklessly or by using excessive force “impedes the progress of the opponent [in control of the ball] with contact”; likewise if an opposition player “trips or attempts to trip” the opposition player.
I wouldn’t have given a penalty having seen all of the angles. But I don’t think it was a poor decision by the referee by any stretch.
And there’s no way from the ref’s or the VAR angle that people should be claiming it was a “blatant dive”.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’m not sure the referee can *know* that Abraham is going to ground anyway.
He leaps, both feet off the ground, stretching for the ball, which he obviously reaches. His leading foot is the one he has to land on and plant, and that’s the one which is clipped by the keeper.
A direct free kick is given by the referee if an opposition player carelessly, recklessly or by using excessive force “impedes the progress of the opponent [in control of the ball] with contact”; likewise if an opposition player “trips or attempts to trip” the opposition player.
I wouldn’t have given a penalty having seen all of the angles. But I don’t think it was a poor decision by the referee by any stretch.
And there’s no way from the ref’s or the VAR angle that people should be claiming it was a “blatant dive”.
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Again, that’s the point of the article. VAR isn’t being used properly....
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 21 minutes ago
Stop crying it wasnt a blatant dive
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We won 🙄
Control of the ball doesn't matter. You aren't allowed to foul an attacker and get away with it just because they are no longer in control of the ball.
In this case, I don't think Adrian made enough contact to commit a foul, so the above wouldn't apply regardless.
I can understand why VAR didn't reverse the decision. I do think they should have asked the ref to go take a look though.
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posted on 15/8/19
comment by Desperate Dier-Bring me Ndombele (U6468)
posted 53 seconds ago
Never thought that VAR would overturn these type of penalty incidents. It will only help in the case of the most blatant dives or wrong decisions imo.
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That was a blatant dive though. If a ref sees that from the proper angle in slow motion, no way she gives it.
posted on 15/8/19
For me it wasn't a penalty. I saw the replay in slow motion at the contact was at most minimal, Adrian maybe scratched Abrahams knee with his glove. Certainly nothing that warranted that reaction.
Whether you think it was a penalty or not, the massive underlying problem with VAR last night was the fact that when they reviewed it they just looked at the same crap angle (which showed absolutely nothing) four times in a row.
The angle they had on BT later showed the best view of it, but that angle was not available when they made the decision. It was an absolute nonsense and there is a massive underlying problem with the system if that continues.
If they had made the decision based on all the available angles I'd accept it, but i'm 99% sure they didn't.
posted on 15/8/19
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva 6 times baby 6 times (U18359)
posted 2 minutes ago
There wasn't enough contact to justify any type of fall, the theatrical way he went down all pointed to this.
If this sets the precedent that a pen cannot be overturned if there is any contact then VAR will be a massive flop imo
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Well I guess Salah will still be buying pens this season by your logic then.
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Kind of irrelevant to the point
posted on 15/8/19
comment by Doovdé™ (U2996)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva 6 times baby 6 times (U18359)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Pidier Pogba (U11414)
posted 3 minutes ago
I thought it was a pen
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Yeah but your a thick cant
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you're *
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Classic
posted on 15/8/19
It also didn't seem to check that Adrian was off his line for the saving penalty. Not that it would have made a difference as the pen was crap, but I don't get the inconsistency that VAR seems to be implementing.
posted on 15/8/19
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 minutes ago
It also didn't seem to check that Adrian was off his line for the saving penalty. Not that it would have made a difference as the pen was crap, but I don't get the inconsistency that VAR seems to be implementing.
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I actually think UEFA wouldn’t have used it at all last night, given the chance.
posted on 15/8/19
comment by Doovdé™ (U2996)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva 6 times baby 6 times (U18359)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Pidier Pogba (U11414)
posted 3 minutes ago
I thought it was a pen
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Yeah but your a thick cant
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you're *
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posted on 15/8/19
VAR is the worst thing ever happened to football.
Moaning about Refs was/is part of the game as a regular spectator.
Its the making of football just another TV programme by the TV companies which is killing the game. It's a sport which should be watched live, in the stadium in real time and the ref's decision is final. No ifs, no buts. If those watching on TV don't like it after reviewing a hundred replays of every contentious decision the ref makes and STILL not sure he's right or wrong, then tough on them. Dont forget that in most grounds inc. OT the crowd don't get to see the replays the TV fans get to see and have to sit there in silence whilst the process goes on. In the stadium the watching spectators move on from those moments quickly whilst on TV they will bang on about it in commentary and on into the half and full time debates. Its not an issue for live spectators like it is for armchair TV viewers. When I watch games on TV I can accept that.
The tail is wagging the dog.
posted on 15/8/19
Camera angle shown on TV made it impossible to tell if it was a pen. Assume that VAR decision was based on a better view. It certainly wasn't a blatant dive. Mind you it's the same old Chels, they'd be dangerous if they had a goal scorer.
posted on 15/8/19
It certainly wasn't a blatant dive.
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This ^
posted on 15/8/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
It certainly wasn't a blatant dive.
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This ^
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It really was. He anticipated there may be contact and went for it. If you think being brushed by a fingertip elicits that kind of reaction, then there’s something wrong with you.
posted on 15/8/19
So if i touch a guy wit my finger its a pen haha. Idiots
posted on 15/8/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Doovdé™ (U2996)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva 6 times baby 6 times (U18359)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Pidier Pogba (U11414)
posted 3 minutes ago
I thought it was a pen
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Yeah but your a thick cant
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you're *
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posted on 15/8/19
Stop crying it wasnt a blatant dive
posted on 15/8/19
Looks like he dived.
If that was Salah all these loud mouths would be calling him all sorts of names.
posted on 15/8/19
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
It certainly wasn't a blatant dive.
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This ^
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It really was. He anticipated there may be contact and went for it. If you think being brushed by a fingertip elicits that kind of reaction, then there’s something wrong with you.
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You were probably one of the first posters on here when Salah was given pens last season.
The inconsistency and hypocrisy is mind boggling.
posted on 15/8/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 28 seconds ago
Stop crying it wasnt a blatant dive
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We ain't crying fella, we won anyway. Knocking the filthy Mancs off their perch in the process
posted on 15/8/19
Regardless of whether it was a dive, I'm surprised they didn't take into account that Abraham didn't even have control of the ball. If he never went down then it would have been a goal kick.
posted on 15/8/19
posted on 15/8/19
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
Regardless of whether it was a dive, I'm surprised they didn't take into account that Abraham didn't even have control of the ball. If he never went down then it would have been a goal kick.
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This drives me crazy about penalties
posted on 15/8/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 9 minutes ago
Stop crying it wasnt a blatant dive
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was
posted on 15/8/19
I’m not sure the referee can *know* that Abraham is going to ground anyway.
He leaps, both feet off the ground, stretching for the ball, which he obviously reaches. His leading foot is the one he has to land on and plant, and that’s the one which is clipped by the keeper.
A direct free kick is given by the referee if an opposition player carelessly, recklessly or by using excessive force “impedes the progress of the opponent [in control of the ball] with contact”; likewise if an opposition player “trips or attempts to trip” the opposition player.
I wouldn’t have given a penalty having seen all of the angles. But I don’t think it was a poor decision by the referee by any stretch.
And there’s no way from the ref’s or the VAR angle that people should be claiming it was a “blatant dive”.
posted on 15/8/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’m not sure the referee can *know* that Abraham is going to ground anyway.
He leaps, both feet off the ground, stretching for the ball, which he obviously reaches. His leading foot is the one he has to land on and plant, and that’s the one which is clipped by the keeper.
A direct free kick is given by the referee if an opposition player carelessly, recklessly or by using excessive force “impedes the progress of the opponent [in control of the ball] with contact”; likewise if an opposition player “trips or attempts to trip” the opposition player.
I wouldn’t have given a penalty having seen all of the angles. But I don’t think it was a poor decision by the referee by any stretch.
And there’s no way from the ref’s or the VAR angle that people should be claiming it was a “blatant dive”.
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Again, that’s the point of the article. VAR isn’t being used properly....
posted on 15/8/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 21 minutes ago
Stop crying it wasnt a blatant dive
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We won 🙄
posted on 15/8/19
Control of the ball doesn't matter. You aren't allowed to foul an attacker and get away with it just because they are no longer in control of the ball.
In this case, I don't think Adrian made enough contact to commit a foul, so the above wouldn't apply regardless.
I can understand why VAR didn't reverse the decision. I do think they should have asked the ref to go take a look though.
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