comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?
Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The experts are saying more or less the latter.
It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.
I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.
Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.
If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.
When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.
The statement said:
"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
“could”
Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.
Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.
Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.
And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.
No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well actually I think it is. This is a completely unique situation and as such should be treated accordingly, especially if it would put lives at risk. If they don’t they are equally culpable in my eyes
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No they’re not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely 100% and your blinkered pathetic approach is to point the finger at people who disagree with your political views even to the point of revelling or point scoring over peoples deaths instead of acknowledging that it takes two sides to allow this to happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
27 V 1.
Why do you think we are more important then 27 other counties and half a billion EU Citizens?
It’s this kind of bullsh*t arrogance that has got us into this mess.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Idiot yet again. You make out like it’s some kind of war and it’s 27 v 1. It’s a trading pact that if you have your way will implement rules thereby denying timely access to medicines which will more than likely lead to untimely and unnecessary pain and or death.
They have the strength and the emergency powers to prevent that but as far as we can see they won’t because some other big organisation will hit them with sanctions in a unique scenario.
But that’s ok because it allows you to spout your bile?
Nobody wants this so it’s incumbent upon all parties to prevent it and if necessary under emergency powers.
All parties.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which particular emergency powers do the EU possess to waive their MFN obligations to third countries?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A third county.
How humiliating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's basically the terminology used to describe a country outside a free trade area.
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 9 minutes ago
You said you’ve never been out of London and have no intention to because the rest of the country are racist brexiters
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wrong.
I said I don’t particularly like leaving London unless I’m going abroad.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?
Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The experts are saying more or less the latter.
It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.
I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.
Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.
If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.
When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.
The statement said:
"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
“could”
Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.
Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.
Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.
And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.
No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well actually I think it is. This is a completely unique situation and as such should be treated accordingly, especially if it would put lives at risk. If they don’t they are equally culpable in my eyes
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No they’re not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely 100% and your blinkered pathetic approach is to point the finger at people who disagree with your political views even to the point of revelling or point scoring over peoples deaths instead of acknowledging that it takes two sides to allow this to happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
27 V 1.
Why do you think we are more important then 27 other counties and half a billion EU Citizens?
It’s this kind of bullsh*t arrogance that has got us into this mess.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Idiot yet again. You make out like it’s some kind of war and it’s 27 v 1. It’s a trading pact that if you have your way will implement rules thereby denying timely access to medicines which will more than likely lead to untimely and unnecessary pain and or death.
They have the strength and the emergency powers to prevent that but as far as we can see they won’t because some other big organisation will hit them with sanctions in a unique scenario.
But that’s ok because it allows you to spout your bile?
Nobody wants this so it’s incumbent upon all parties to prevent it and if necessary under emergency powers.
All parties.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which particular emergency powers do the EU possess to waive their MFN obligations to third countries?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A third county.
How humiliating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's basically the terminology used to describe a country outside a free trade area.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know what it is.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 9 minutes ago
You said you’ve never been out of London and have no intention to because the rest of the country are racist brexiters
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wrong.
I said I don’t particularly like leaving London unless I’m going abroad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What you lying for?
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 9 minutes ago
You said you’ve never been out of London and have no intention to because the rest of the country are racist brexiters
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wrong.
I said I don’t particularly like leaving London unless I’m going abroad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What you lying for?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lying?
I’m not Boris f*cking Johnson.
And what’s with all this “For the many, not the few” slogan you’ve been chucking around?
You despise the “many” in this country
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
And what’s with all this “For the many, not the few” slogan you’ve been chucking around?
You despise the “many” in this country
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I despise many, that’s true.
Not THE many.
So Sizz, do you despise anyone who doesn’t share your political views?
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
So Sizz, do you despise anyone who doesn’t share your political views?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not necessarily, although generally I would have very little to do with them. Specifically Brexiters as they’re a cult.
I know a couple of Tories.
Specifically Brexiters as they’re a cult.
———-
You’re a psychopath
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 5 minutes ago
Specifically Brexiters as they’re a cult.
———-
You’re a psychopath
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, I simply have no forgiveness in my heart for those who voted alongside every fascist group in the country, to remove all our rights in perpetuity, destroy the economy, smash our trade and supply infrastructure, cause millions of EU nationals here and UK nationals abroad to live in abject fear and uncertainty and to endanger hundreds of thousands of lives threatening medial supply in the event of no deal.
Despise them? You’re damn right I do.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
So Sizz, do you despise anyone who doesn’t share your political views?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not necessarily, although generally I would have very little to do with them. Specifically Brexiters as they’re a cult.
I know a couple of Tories.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s not true you love me still
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-49902321
Like I said, it’s a death cult.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 43 seconds ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-49902321
Like I said, it’s a death cult.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The article says both sides used the threats Sizz
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 43 seconds ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-49902321
Like I said, it’s a death cult.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The article says both sides used the threats Sizz
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m on both Pro and Anti Brexit Facebook groups and can confirm that the death threats, the threats of civil war and the racist and sexist abuse is all coming from the pro Brexit groups.
I’ve had loads of death threats myself,
Doesn’t surprise me, social media is full of cranks and keyboard warriors
The article says both sides used the threats Sizz
.................
Ah, the OP is spazzle. I thought there was a familiar amount of idiocy.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
The article says both sides used the threats Sizz
.................
Ah, the OP is spazzle. I thought there was a familiar amount of idiocy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, just facts and truth.
The two things Brexiters struggle with.
No, just facts and truth.
..............
I doubt Corbyn cares about either.
..................
The two things Brexiters struggle with.
................
Remainers struggled with it as well. If they hadn't the country would not have voted for Brexit in the first place.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
The article says both sides used the threats Sizz
.................
Ah, the OP is spazzle. I thought there was a familiar amount of idiocy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, just facts and truth.
The two things Brexiters struggle with.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We’ve been through this before, but would you not like to see more people persuaded to change their minds and agree with you that on balance Brexit might not be the best idea?
Because as the right wing Islamophobic bigots are to the likes of ISIS, you’re basically a perfect recruiting tool for the hardcore Brexiteers Sizzle.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
The article says both sides used the threats Sizz
.................
Ah, the OP is spazzle. I thought there was a familiar amount of idiocy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, just facts and truth.
The two things Brexiters struggle with.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We’ve been through this before, but would you not like to see more people persuaded to change their minds and agree with you that on balance Brexit might not be the best idea?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We’re way past that I’m afraid.
All I want now is a reckoning.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit/no-deal-brexit-rise-dogging-lorry-drivers-government-fears-645186
And what does our government fear? The food medicine and fuel shortages? The disruption to trade? The job losses? The end of peace in Ireland? Scottish independence?
No, bored lorry drivers dogging.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/no-deal-brexit-could-kill-20527113
Sizz the victim of scaremongering like all the racist brexiters he moans about
On the NHS.....
In an open letter to MPs, The King's Fund, the Health Foundation and Nuffield Trust, summarise the four major areas where the impact of a no deal Brexit could be felt most sharply in health and care.
Dear Members of Parliament,
With the increasing possibility of the United Kingdom leaving the European Union without a deal, we are writing to you to outline the implications of this for health and care services.
As the government launches its public campaign to prepare for a no deal Brexit and MPs return from recess with a short window to discuss the United Kingdom’s exit from the European Union, we hope this letter helps to inform the important decisions that will be made in the coming days and weeks.
The focus of our three independent organisations is to research and understand key issues affecting health and social care. Our conclusion based on our own and other objective evidence is that a no deal Brexit could cause significant harm to these services and the people who rely on them. In this letter, we summarise four major areas where the impact could be felt most sharply. There is a very real risk that leaving the European Union without an agreement could exacerbate the workforce crisis in health and care, drive up demand for already hard-pressed services, hinder the supply of medicines and other vital supplies, and stretch the public finances which pay for healthcare.
1. A risk of intensifying the staffing crisis
The NHS has serious workforce shortages, with nearly 100,000 vacancies in English NHS trusts and a further 110,000 in social care. With 116,000 EU nationals working in health care and 104,000 in social care, even a small trend towards European migrants leaving the United Kingdom due to a fall in the pound or uncertainty around being granted settled status will worsen this situation. The lack of clarity about the deadline for settled status applications, and the very large proportion of EU nationals yet to apply, are a concern. A British Medical Association survey of doctors from the European Union has found nearly a third would consider leaving the country.
Our calculations show that the NHS needs an additional 5,000 internationally recruited nurses each year to stop the situation worsening: a migration system which impeded this would have serious implications even if current staff could all be persuaded to stay. The situation in social care could be even more serious. Ninety per cent of staff would not qualify for a permanent work visa under immigration reforms put forward by the last government, as they earn less than the proposed £30,000 salary threshold. The risk is magnified because many of the small and medium sized businesses which make up the majority of the sector are already in a perilous financial state.
2. Shortages and price rises for vital supplies
Despite plans for stockpiling and creating new supply routes, the large amount of new paperwork and regulatory hurdles that a no deal Brexit would create for imports is likely to increase shortages of medicines and medical devices. Although it is difficult to judge the magnitude of the problem, the leaked Operation Yellowhammer document emphasised the vulnerability of supply chains in the sector.
We can be certain that these additional burdens will mean companies face higher costs to get their products into the UK – costs that will ultimately be passed on to the NHS. Nuffield Trust analysis estimates these would total around £2.3 billion per year across the UK. This money will have to come out of other services and supplies that patients use, unless the overall budget increases. In the short term, higher costs would risk shortages of generic medicines even if supply chains remain unbroken, as the National Audit Office reported happened in relation to price pressures in 2017.
3. The need to care for returning emigrants
A no deal Brexit will mean UK emigrants to the European Union do not have guaranteed rights, and they may have to return to the United Kingdom to live and receive treatment if they become ill. Around 200,000 people using the special EU scheme that guarantees health care rights to retirees abroad would face losing that protection. It is unclear how many of the roughly 800,000 other UK nationals in Europe might also be unable to access or afford care. While we would have a duty to help these individuals, it would add considerably to the already high demand pressures on the NHS and social care.
4. Funding shortfalls at a time when health and care need it most
Although an extra £20.5 billion has been pledged to the day-to-day budget of the NHS in England, this does not cover other areas of spending such as investment in buildings, equipment and staff training budgets, which have been reduced in recent years. Creating real improvements for patients will also require repairs and upgrades to buildings and equipment, increased public health funding, and a stable social care system. In particular, analysis by the Health Foundation estimates that £1.0 billion extra in 2020/21 and £2.1 billion in 2021/22 are needed just to stabilise the adult social care system.
Yet the Office for Budget Responsibility’s assessment is that the United Kingdom’s public finances would be around £30 billion worse off each year in a no deal scenario of medium disruptiveness. This sum is more than the total spent on adult social care plus investment in NHS buildings and equipment across the whole of the United Kingdom in 2017/18.
Health and care services are already struggling to meet rising demand for services and maintain standards of care, not least in advance of an expected difficult winter. The potential consequences of a no deal Brexit could significantly impede services’ ability to meet the needs of the individual patients and service users who rely on them.
We hope that you find this summary, and links to the relevant analyses, helpful.
We and our colleagues would of course be happy to discuss these issues with you at any time.
Yours faithfully,
Richard Murray, Chief Executive, The King's Fund
Nigel Edwards, Chief Executive, Nuffield Trust
Jennifer Dixon, Chief Executive, The Health Foundation
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/no-deal-brexit
Sign in if you want to comment
Corbyn : We’ll give football back...
Page 10 of 26
11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?
Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The experts are saying more or less the latter.
It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.
I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.
Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.
If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.
When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.
The statement said:
"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
“could”
Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.
Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.
Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.
And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.
No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well actually I think it is. This is a completely unique situation and as such should be treated accordingly, especially if it would put lives at risk. If they don’t they are equally culpable in my eyes
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No they’re not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely 100% and your blinkered pathetic approach is to point the finger at people who disagree with your political views even to the point of revelling or point scoring over peoples deaths instead of acknowledging that it takes two sides to allow this to happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
27 V 1.
Why do you think we are more important then 27 other counties and half a billion EU Citizens?
It’s this kind of bullsh*t arrogance that has got us into this mess.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Idiot yet again. You make out like it’s some kind of war and it’s 27 v 1. It’s a trading pact that if you have your way will implement rules thereby denying timely access to medicines which will more than likely lead to untimely and unnecessary pain and or death.
They have the strength and the emergency powers to prevent that but as far as we can see they won’t because some other big organisation will hit them with sanctions in a unique scenario.
But that’s ok because it allows you to spout your bile?
Nobody wants this so it’s incumbent upon all parties to prevent it and if necessary under emergency powers.
All parties.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which particular emergency powers do the EU possess to waive their MFN obligations to third countries?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A third county.
How humiliating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's basically the terminology used to describe a country outside a free trade area.
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 9 minutes ago
You said you’ve never been out of London and have no intention to because the rest of the country are racist brexiters
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wrong.
I said I don’t particularly like leaving London unless I’m going abroad.
posted on 7/10/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?
Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The experts are saying more or less the latter.
It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.
I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.
Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.
If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.
When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.
The statement said:
"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
“could”
Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.
Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.
Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.
And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.
No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well actually I think it is. This is a completely unique situation and as such should be treated accordingly, especially if it would put lives at risk. If they don’t they are equally culpable in my eyes
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No they’re not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely 100% and your blinkered pathetic approach is to point the finger at people who disagree with your political views even to the point of revelling or point scoring over peoples deaths instead of acknowledging that it takes two sides to allow this to happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
27 V 1.
Why do you think we are more important then 27 other counties and half a billion EU Citizens?
It’s this kind of bullsh*t arrogance that has got us into this mess.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Idiot yet again. You make out like it’s some kind of war and it’s 27 v 1. It’s a trading pact that if you have your way will implement rules thereby denying timely access to medicines which will more than likely lead to untimely and unnecessary pain and or death.
They have the strength and the emergency powers to prevent that but as far as we can see they won’t because some other big organisation will hit them with sanctions in a unique scenario.
But that’s ok because it allows you to spout your bile?
Nobody wants this so it’s incumbent upon all parties to prevent it and if necessary under emergency powers.
All parties.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which particular emergency powers do the EU possess to waive their MFN obligations to third countries?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A third county.
How humiliating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's basically the terminology used to describe a country outside a free trade area.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know what it is.
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 9 minutes ago
You said you’ve never been out of London and have no intention to because the rest of the country are racist brexiters
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wrong.
I said I don’t particularly like leaving London unless I’m going abroad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What you lying for?
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 9 minutes ago
You said you’ve never been out of London and have no intention to because the rest of the country are racist brexiters
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wrong.
I said I don’t particularly like leaving London unless I’m going abroad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What you lying for?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lying?
I’m not Boris f*cking Johnson.
posted on 7/10/19
And what’s with all this “For the many, not the few” slogan you’ve been chucking around?
You despise the “many” in this country
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
And what’s with all this “For the many, not the few” slogan you’ve been chucking around?
You despise the “many” in this country
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I despise many, that’s true.
Not THE many.
posted on 7/10/19
So Sizz, do you despise anyone who doesn’t share your political views?
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
So Sizz, do you despise anyone who doesn’t share your political views?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not necessarily, although generally I would have very little to do with them. Specifically Brexiters as they’re a cult.
I know a couple of Tories.
posted on 7/10/19
Specifically Brexiters as they’re a cult.
———-
You’re a psychopath
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 5 minutes ago
Specifically Brexiters as they’re a cult.
———-
You’re a psychopath
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, I simply have no forgiveness in my heart for those who voted alongside every fascist group in the country, to remove all our rights in perpetuity, destroy the economy, smash our trade and supply infrastructure, cause millions of EU nationals here and UK nationals abroad to live in abject fear and uncertainty and to endanger hundreds of thousands of lives threatening medial supply in the event of no deal.
Despise them? You’re damn right I do.
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
So Sizz, do you despise anyone who doesn’t share your political views?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not necessarily, although generally I would have very little to do with them. Specifically Brexiters as they’re a cult.
I know a couple of Tories.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s not true you love me still
posted on 7/10/19
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-49902321
Like I said, it’s a death cult.
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 43 seconds ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-49902321
Like I said, it’s a death cult.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The article says both sides used the threats Sizz
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 43 seconds ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-49902321
Like I said, it’s a death cult.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The article says both sides used the threats Sizz
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m on both Pro and Anti Brexit Facebook groups and can confirm that the death threats, the threats of civil war and the racist and sexist abuse is all coming from the pro Brexit groups.
I’ve had loads of death threats myself,
posted on 7/10/19
Doesn’t surprise me, social media is full of cranks and keyboard warriors
posted on 7/10/19
The article says both sides used the threats Sizz
.................
Ah, the OP is spazzle. I thought there was a familiar amount of idiocy.
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
The article says both sides used the threats Sizz
.................
Ah, the OP is spazzle. I thought there was a familiar amount of idiocy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, just facts and truth.
The two things Brexiters struggle with.
posted on 7/10/19
No, just facts and truth.
..............
I doubt Corbyn cares about either.
..................
The two things Brexiters struggle with.
................
Remainers struggled with it as well. If they hadn't the country would not have voted for Brexit in the first place.
posted on 7/10/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
The article says both sides used the threats Sizz
.................
Ah, the OP is spazzle. I thought there was a familiar amount of idiocy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, just facts and truth.
The two things Brexiters struggle with.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We’ve been through this before, but would you not like to see more people persuaded to change their minds and agree with you that on balance Brexit might not be the best idea?
Because as the right wing Islamophobic bigots are to the likes of ISIS, you’re basically a perfect recruiting tool for the hardcore Brexiteers Sizzle.
posted on 7/10/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
The article says both sides used the threats Sizz
.................
Ah, the OP is spazzle. I thought there was a familiar amount of idiocy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, just facts and truth.
The two things Brexiters struggle with.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We’ve been through this before, but would you not like to see more people persuaded to change their minds and agree with you that on balance Brexit might not be the best idea?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We’re way past that I’m afraid.
All I want now is a reckoning.
posted on 7/10/19
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit/no-deal-brexit-rise-dogging-lorry-drivers-government-fears-645186
And what does our government fear? The food medicine and fuel shortages? The disruption to trade? The job losses? The end of peace in Ireland? Scottish independence?
No, bored lorry drivers dogging.
posted on 7/10/19
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/no-deal-brexit-could-kill-20527113
posted on 7/10/19
Sizz the victim of scaremongering like all the racist brexiters he moans about
posted on 7/10/19
On the NHS.....
In an open letter to MPs, The King's Fund, the Health Foundation and Nuffield Trust, summarise the four major areas where the impact of a no deal Brexit could be felt most sharply in health and care.
Dear Members of Parliament,
With the increasing possibility of the United Kingdom leaving the European Union without a deal, we are writing to you to outline the implications of this for health and care services.
As the government launches its public campaign to prepare for a no deal Brexit and MPs return from recess with a short window to discuss the United Kingdom’s exit from the European Union, we hope this letter helps to inform the important decisions that will be made in the coming days and weeks.
The focus of our three independent organisations is to research and understand key issues affecting health and social care. Our conclusion based on our own and other objective evidence is that a no deal Brexit could cause significant harm to these services and the people who rely on them. In this letter, we summarise four major areas where the impact could be felt most sharply. There is a very real risk that leaving the European Union without an agreement could exacerbate the workforce crisis in health and care, drive up demand for already hard-pressed services, hinder the supply of medicines and other vital supplies, and stretch the public finances which pay for healthcare.
1. A risk of intensifying the staffing crisis
The NHS has serious workforce shortages, with nearly 100,000 vacancies in English NHS trusts and a further 110,000 in social care. With 116,000 EU nationals working in health care and 104,000 in social care, even a small trend towards European migrants leaving the United Kingdom due to a fall in the pound or uncertainty around being granted settled status will worsen this situation. The lack of clarity about the deadline for settled status applications, and the very large proportion of EU nationals yet to apply, are a concern. A British Medical Association survey of doctors from the European Union has found nearly a third would consider leaving the country.
Our calculations show that the NHS needs an additional 5,000 internationally recruited nurses each year to stop the situation worsening: a migration system which impeded this would have serious implications even if current staff could all be persuaded to stay. The situation in social care could be even more serious. Ninety per cent of staff would not qualify for a permanent work visa under immigration reforms put forward by the last government, as they earn less than the proposed £30,000 salary threshold. The risk is magnified because many of the small and medium sized businesses which make up the majority of the sector are already in a perilous financial state.
2. Shortages and price rises for vital supplies
Despite plans for stockpiling and creating new supply routes, the large amount of new paperwork and regulatory hurdles that a no deal Brexit would create for imports is likely to increase shortages of medicines and medical devices. Although it is difficult to judge the magnitude of the problem, the leaked Operation Yellowhammer document emphasised the vulnerability of supply chains in the sector.
We can be certain that these additional burdens will mean companies face higher costs to get their products into the UK – costs that will ultimately be passed on to the NHS. Nuffield Trust analysis estimates these would total around £2.3 billion per year across the UK. This money will have to come out of other services and supplies that patients use, unless the overall budget increases. In the short term, higher costs would risk shortages of generic medicines even if supply chains remain unbroken, as the National Audit Office reported happened in relation to price pressures in 2017.
3. The need to care for returning emigrants
A no deal Brexit will mean UK emigrants to the European Union do not have guaranteed rights, and they may have to return to the United Kingdom to live and receive treatment if they become ill. Around 200,000 people using the special EU scheme that guarantees health care rights to retirees abroad would face losing that protection. It is unclear how many of the roughly 800,000 other UK nationals in Europe might also be unable to access or afford care. While we would have a duty to help these individuals, it would add considerably to the already high demand pressures on the NHS and social care.
4. Funding shortfalls at a time when health and care need it most
Although an extra £20.5 billion has been pledged to the day-to-day budget of the NHS in England, this does not cover other areas of spending such as investment in buildings, equipment and staff training budgets, which have been reduced in recent years. Creating real improvements for patients will also require repairs and upgrades to buildings and equipment, increased public health funding, and a stable social care system. In particular, analysis by the Health Foundation estimates that £1.0 billion extra in 2020/21 and £2.1 billion in 2021/22 are needed just to stabilise the adult social care system.
Yet the Office for Budget Responsibility’s assessment is that the United Kingdom’s public finances would be around £30 billion worse off each year in a no deal scenario of medium disruptiveness. This sum is more than the total spent on adult social care plus investment in NHS buildings and equipment across the whole of the United Kingdom in 2017/18.
Health and care services are already struggling to meet rising demand for services and maintain standards of care, not least in advance of an expected difficult winter. The potential consequences of a no deal Brexit could significantly impede services’ ability to meet the needs of the individual patients and service users who rely on them.
We hope that you find this summary, and links to the relevant analyses, helpful.
We and our colleagues would of course be happy to discuss these issues with you at any time.
Yours faithfully,
Richard Murray, Chief Executive, The King's Fund
Nigel Edwards, Chief Executive, Nuffield Trust
Jennifer Dixon, Chief Executive, The Health Foundation
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/no-deal-brexit
Page 10 of 26
11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15