comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
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That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?

Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
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The experts are saying more or less the latter.

It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.

I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
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They don’t care if people die.

All they care about is Blue Passports and ruining the lives of Johnny Foreigner, whatever the cost.
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Every time you post you make yourself look more and more like some mad angry zealot.

It’s hilarious 😂
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Like I said before, will you still be laughing when children are dying of cancer?
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I know you keep saying it which just continues to demonstrate your utter stupidity.

No. I wouldn’t be happy at any child’s death for any reason whatsoever.

To even ask that question of anyone beggars belief.
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Will you be happy when we are all eating chlorinated chicken and sub standard food with rat hairs, rat sh*t and dead maggots in it?
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I never eat any imported meat. Haven’t done for years and I’d expect UK suppliers to fill a significant supply gap.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 42 seconds ago
By the way, Mr Corbyn, football is not yours to give to anybody.
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A concept alien to him and his party. They also want to be able to steal huge industries and private schools.

They even go so far as to say they’ll determine how much they are worth and pay for all this in future bonds.

I mean, what could go wrong?

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
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That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?

Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
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The experts are saying more or less the latter.

It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.

I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
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They don’t care if people die.

All they care about is Blue Passports and ruining the lives of Johnny Foreigner, whatever the cost.
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Every time you post you make yourself look more and more like some mad angry zealot.

It’s hilarious 😂
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Like I said before, will you still be laughing when children are dying of cancer?
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I know you keep saying it which just continues to demonstrate your utter stupidity.

No. I wouldn’t be happy at any child’s death for any reason whatsoever.

To even ask that question of anyone beggars belief.
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Will you be happy when we are all eating chlorinated chicken and sub standard food with rat hairs, rat sh*t and dead maggots in it?
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I hAd soMe cHloRinaTed chiCkeN aNd horMonE iNjeCted bEef duRiNg tHe suMmeR anD iT diDn't dO mE AnY hArm

I never eat any imported meat. Haven’t done for years and I’d expect UK suppliers to fill a significant supply gap.


Once you've gone full mad cows there's no going back.

Seriously though I find your comment very hard to believe.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
As it is a step into the unknown, ie nobody has left the EU before, nobody really knows what is likely to happen in the event of no deal, or even if there is a deal.
There are no experts, how can there be, it's not happened before. Just educated guesses.

But with the competence of this (or most) governments in mind, it won't go smoothly.

Luckily we have a generally good civil service who will smooth out the major bumps, and business will take a pragmatic view of what's best for them, so no change there.
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We do actually. As countless studies and research has demonstrated. Third country protocols which the EU will have (as per WTO obligations) to apply to the UK for example.

The cessation of 750 odd treaties which have underpinned the UK economy, citizens rights, infrastructure, education, science and research, atomic energy, medicine, data, aviation, product licensing, security, counter terrorism, plant and animal (SPS) controls, etc etc etc.

comment by BB (U13430)
posted 15 seconds ago
I never eat any imported meat. Haven’t done for years and I’d expect UK suppliers to fill a significant supply gap.


Once you've gone full mad cows there's no going back.

Seriously though I find your comment very hard to believe.
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Ok. Not sure what I can say to that seeing as I very rarely eat meat but hey ho

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
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That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?

Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
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The experts are saying more or less the latter.

It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.

I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
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Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.

Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
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Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.

If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.

When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.

The statement said:

"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
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“could”

Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.

Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.

Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.

And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.

No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
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The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 14 minutes ago
Will you be happy when we are all eating chlorinated chicken

............................

Just out of interest what is your issue with chlorinated chicken?

Is it something you have been told to have an issue with?
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My issue is with rat droppings and rat hairs in food. Permissible by US food standards, not by EU standards.

You didn’t know? Get to know. You’ll be eating it soon.

I hAd soMe cHloRinaTed chiCkeN aNd horMonE iNjeCted bEef duRiNg tHe suMmeR anD iT diDn't dO mE AnY hArm
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Just whack some Nando’s sauce on it and it’ll be fine, too picky for their own good some people

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by BB (U13430)
posted 15 seconds ago
I never eat any imported meat. Haven’t done for years and I’d expect UK suppliers to fill a significant supply gap.


Once you've gone full mad cows there's no going back.

Seriously though I find your comment very hard to believe.
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Ok. Not sure what I can say to that seeing as I very rarely eat meat but hey ho
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Well considering you rely on something close to 30% imported meat it is near impossible that you haven't eaten imported meat.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
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That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?

Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
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The experts are saying more or less the latter.

It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.

I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.

Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.

If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.

When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.

The statement said:

"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
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“could”

Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.

Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.

Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.

And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.

No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
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The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.
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Well actually I think it is. This is a completely unique situation and as such should be treated accordingly, especially if it would put lives at risk. If they don’t they are equally culpable in my eyes

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 42 seconds ago
By the way, Mr Corbyn, football is not yours to give to anybody.
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A concept alien to him and his party. They also want to be able to steal huge industries and private schools.

They even go so far as to say they’ll determine how much they are worth and pay for all this in future bonds.

I mean, what could go wrong?
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Their stance on private schools is excellent.

Only 7% of kids get to go to them anyway. F*ck em.

For the many not the few.

comment by BB (U13430)
posted 6 minutes ago
I never eat any imported meat. Haven’t done for years and I’d expect UK suppliers to fill a significant supply gap.

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Why would you expect that?

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by BB (U13430)
posted 6 minutes ago
I never eat any imported meat. Haven’t done for years and I’d expect UK suppliers to fill a significant supply gap.

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Why would you expect that?
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I really would not 😂 Britain has not fed itself for many years

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
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That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?

Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
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The experts are saying more or less the latter.

It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.

I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.

Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.

If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.

When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.

The statement said:

"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
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“could”

Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.

Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.

Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.

And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.

No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
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The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.
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Well actually I think it is. This is a completely unique situation and as such should be treated accordingly, especially if it would put lives at risk. If they don’t they are equally culpable in my eyes
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It's not though. As anyone with trade experience (not named Singham) will tell you.

comment by BB (U13430)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by BB (U13430)
posted 6 minutes ago
I never eat any imported meat. Haven’t done for years and I’d expect UK suppliers to fill a significant supply gap.

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Why would you expect that?
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I really would not 😂 Britain has not fed itself for many years
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It’s been paid not to due to the subsidised low costs from abroad.

The simple fact of us not getting this produce so easily creates a huge gap in the market.

Are we all so downbeat that we don’t think farmers and the like won’t try and capture that market?

Amazing if true. I certainly would.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
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That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?

Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
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The experts are saying more or less the latter.

It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.

I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.

Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.

If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.

When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.

The statement said:

"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
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“could”

Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.

Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.

Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.

And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.

No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
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The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.
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Well actually I think it is. This is a completely unique situation and as such should be treated accordingly, especially if it would put lives at risk. If they don’t they are equally culpable in my eyes
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It's not though. As anyone with trade experience (not named Singham) will tell you.
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It really is.

No country has left the EU before. That’s unique.

comment by BB (U13430)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by BB (U13430)
posted 6 minutes ago
I never eat any imported meat. Haven’t done for years and I’d expect UK suppliers to fill a significant supply gap.

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Why would you expect that?
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I really would not 😂 Britain has not fed itself for many years
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Exactly,

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
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That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?

Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The experts are saying more or less the latter.

It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.

I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.

Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.

If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.

When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.

The statement said:

"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
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“could”

Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.

Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.

Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.

And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.

No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.
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Well actually I think it is. This is a completely unique situation and as such should be treated accordingly, especially if it would put lives at risk. If they don’t they are equally culpable in my eyes
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No they’re not.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BB (U13430)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by BB (U13430)
posted 6 minutes ago
I never eat any imported meat. Haven’t done for years and I’d expect UK suppliers to fill a significant supply gap.

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Why would you expect that?
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I really would not 😂 Britain has not fed itself for many years
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Exactly,
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Exactly what?

You don’t think farmers will take advantage of a huge market potential?

“We’ve millions in the UK who can’t get enough food”

“Really? I’m a farmer. I don’t know what to make of this”



Have to say you don’t really surprise me in all honesty.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
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That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?

Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
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The experts are saying more or less the latter.

It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.

I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.

Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.

If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.

When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.

The statement said:

"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
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“could”

Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.

Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.

Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.

And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.

No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
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The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.
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Well actually I think it is. This is a completely unique situation and as such should be treated accordingly, especially if it would put lives at risk. If they don’t they are equally culpable in my eyes
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It's not though. As anyone with trade experience (not named Singham) will tell you.
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It really is.

No country has left the EU before. That’s unique.
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No country is that stupid.

The EU is a system of laws, rules and procedures that cannot be changed to accommodate Little Britain quitting.

Why do Brexiters find this simple and obvious fact so difficult to understand?

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I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
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That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?

Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
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The experts are saying more or less the latter.

It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.

I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
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Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.

Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
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Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.

If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.

When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.

The statement said:

"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
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“could”

Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.

Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.

Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.

And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.

No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
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The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.
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Well actually I think it is. This is a completely unique situation and as such should be treated accordingly, especially if it would put lives at risk. If they don’t they are equally culpable in my eyes
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No they’re not.
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Absolutely 100% and your blinkered pathetic approach is to point the finger at people who disagree with your political views even to the point of revelling or point scoring over peoples deaths instead of acknowledging that it takes two sides to allow this to happen.

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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
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That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?

Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
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The experts are saying more or less the latter.

It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.

I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
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Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.

Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
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Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.

If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.

When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.

The statement said:

"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
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“could”

Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.

Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.

Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.

And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.

No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
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The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well actually I think it is. This is a completely unique situation and as such should be treated accordingly, especially if it would put lives at risk. If they don’t they are equally culpable in my eyes
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It's not though. As anyone with trade experience (not named Singham) will tell you.
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It really is.

No country has left the EU before. That’s unique.
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No country is that stupid.

The EU is a system of laws, rules and procedures that cannot be changed to accommodate Little Britain quitting.

Why do Brexiters find this simple and obvious fact so difficult to understand?
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Idiot.

Uniqueness is a word you should look up and understand. You clearly don’t. It’s not a bloody machine. It’s run by people who are politically motivated.

You’re too blinkered to see that.

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I never eat any imported meat. Haven’t done for years and I’d expect UK suppliers to fill a significant supply gap.

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Why would you expect that?
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I really would not 😂 Britain has not fed itself for many years
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Exactly,
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Exactly what?

You don’t think farmers will take advantage of a huge market potential?

“We’ve millions in the UK who can’t get enough food”

“Really? I’m a farmer. I don’t know what to make of this”



Have to say you don’t really surprise me in all honesty.
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They ready to go by the end of October?

Our farming industry is going to be absolutely f*cked by Brexshit, but considering a lot of them voted for it, I’m finding it hard to care.

Same with the fisherman.

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posted 11 minutes ago
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 11 minutes ago
I am saying that I am allowing my beliefs to be shaped by the experts, who in this case are pretty unanimous on the matter.
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That’s fair enough. So you believe that insulin and cancer treatment drugs will be unavailable (as suggested by the OP who I challenged) and that people will die?

Or are you saying that in the event of a no deal with lack of preparation that there is a significant risk some drugs won’t be as readily available which in turn could result in avoidable pain or death?
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The experts are saying more or less the latter.

It just depends on whether people are prepared to accept the risk that any given medicine, group of medicines, or treatments won’t be 100% ready.

I don’t believe that’s an acceptable risk to take personally. Others will have different views.
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Nah. I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. I sincerely hope and dare I say trust that both sides would show some common sense on this type of life threatening risk and ensure that medicines can carry on being imported and exported as an exception to no rule.

Nobody in their right mind would gamble on people’s lives and as we travel through this mess I get more angry at how we’ve failed to handle things and wasted years with no planning on some mad assumption that everyone else would just roll over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately it's an inevitable consequence of erecting trade and regulatory barriers.

If consignments of medical supplies are held up/delayed, no amount of pragmatism will get the consignments to their destination any quicker.

When practically every single health body and medicine agency in the UK come out as one urging the government to take no-deal off the table as it would (in their words) “devastate” the NHS I would tend to accept their views.

The statement said:

"A no-deal could cause significant disruption to the supply of medicine, lasting up to six months. Many medicines, including life-saving agents for cancer diagnosis and therapy, cannot be stockpiled and, for those that can, stockpiles could run out. These kinds of shortages and delays can be fatal. No responsible government should take that risk."
----------------------------------------------------------------------

“could”

Look. I acknowledge the risk and both sides antics have led us to where we are.

Despite all of this and whoever anyone wants to blame if we ended up no deal and the border controls were so rigorously enforced which clearly resulted in life threatening situations by not prioritising or coming up with some way of fast tracking through customs these types oh medicines then hell mend them for eternity.

Because no amount of finger pointing and “rules” applications will allow any side to take any stance other than they allowed it to happen.

And no the EU shouldn’t just be able to sit back and say “them’s the rules” after decades of trading to and fro with the same suppliers and importers. It’s not like we’re an unknown quantity for goodness sake.

No side will come out of that with any degree of morality were this such the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The EU are bound by their WTO commitments. It's not simply a case of them 'choosing' not to be pragmatic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well actually I think it is. This is a completely unique situation and as such should be treated accordingly, especially if it would put lives at risk. If they don’t they are equally culpable in my eyes
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It's not though. As anyone with trade experience (not named Singham) will tell you.
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It really is.

No country has left the EU before. That’s unique.
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Can you name any one single (impartial) trade expert or body who would support your view?

Whilst I agree Brexit is a first, trade rules have been around since the mid 1940’s (GATT).

If the EU was to break its own third country rules as well as its WTO obligations it would have consequences.

For example if the EU offered the UK preferential access to its internal market (to facilitate free flow of medical supplies/medicines to the UK). Outside of a free trade area / preferential trading relationship (as the UK would be in a no-deal) it would have to open up its internal market to the rest of the world/WTO members. Which would be a disaster for them.

And whilst I imagine the EU would not want to see fatalities in the UK, it was the UK who chose the ‘nuclear’ option (no-deal) in the first place, and the block will always put the interests of member states ahead of the interest of third countries.

And especially one who chose to shaft them in trying to reach a deal.