This squad finished 2nd only a few months before Ole took over. It’s by no means a good squad and clearly needs work which will take a bit of time but that’s no excuse for playing the quality of football we’re currently seeing and we should be doing a lot better.
I’d love Ole to succeed but he’s doing a poor job, he’s still hasn’t really got us playing any sort of system that makes sense or improving individuals. He’s left our squad weaker somehow and spent a world record fee on a plank of wood. I get fans want to believe he can succeed but he clearly isn’t and pointing that out doesn’t make you a bad or negative fan.
Man Utd last 2 home games 2nd half total. 28 shots 12 on target 2 goals scored and 6 shots 3 on target conceded 2 goals.
Honestly think De Gea Rashford and Martial now are trying everything to sack Solskjaer.
A new manager will likely focus on defensive organisation first. Something that has been missing.
I'd quite fancy this on Wednesday assuming no shock returns from injury but the system and tactics are the most suitable for the squad.
--------------------------DDG----------------------
Williams------Axel-------------Maguire---------Shaw
----------------Garner----------Fred---------------
James-----------------Pereira----------------Martial
-------------------------Rashford-----------------------
We have created significantly more chances than Leicester City and allowed significantly fewer chances against us. Leicester City goal difference is +24 and Man Utd goal difference is +4. Now thats what Solskjaer is dealing with.
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. LEVY OUT. (U7905)
posted 3 minutes ago
Solksjaer is out of his depth. I think it's crazy you're not going all out for Poch. He is clearly a far superior manager who would get you playing much better.
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The OP clearly high on the ganja. He was waffling all summer and now has the audacity to post this rubbish. Our football is comedy. The players looked lost out there. Manager has not got a clue what he is doing, which is clear to see if you understand football.
He is asking us what do we think will happen if we were to appoint a manager that took Spurs and Southampton by the way a level or 2 up during his tenure. With limited resources.
I didn't see your game today, but when I've seen you before, I've thought your attacking is way too predictable, particularly when you have the ball a lot against teams that retain their defensive shape. Most teams aren't going to be open to the counter against you as they'll be be wanting to play the same way. That and when you lose the ball, your defensive transition is way too slow and teams can exploit it easily.
A lot of that is down to the players, a lot is down to coaching too though. Aside from that, Solksjaers biggest mistake so far for me was not getting a midfielder in in the summer, which was the most important area you needed to sort and where he should have started with building your squad.
Yep, centre midfield is the problem for me. Trying to assess tactics with this midfield is nigh on impossible.
Two points from fifth, let’s not panic.
Since keeping three consecutive Premier League clean sheets in February, United have only kept two in their last 25 games in the competition (36 goals conceded).
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Don't get what has happened to De Gea. Nearly every game we concede far more than expected since then. Its strange we have like the lowest chances against since then, we are allowing even fewer chances then when we went on that amazing clean sheet run under SAF but we can't keep a clean sheet.
Maybe we allow to few chances De Gea can't be bothered to even try to save shots. Honeslty think a top keeper would have saved both goals today as they were well within reach.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 3 minutes ago
What is Ole doing wrong: horrible transfer market, tactics, clueless in game management, no evidence of coaching or any game plan. We wouldn’t see worse results than we are if we had a Sunday league manager managing us. Inept
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Great.
So Poch comes in tomorrow and is guaranteed to have a great transfer window, in December...
And changes the 4-2-3-1 with advanced full backs to... something else but it will definitely be better despite that being Spurs' system under him.
In game management. Look at the state of the bench. We've been relying on Greenwood to dig us out of a hole every time. Unless of course sticking Romero on in CM about the 70 min mark would help see out matches?
What would be evidence of this coaching you desire?
The game plan is described as in the OP. If I can see it so can you. However the players are not good enough to carry it out. Match threads are not full of people complaining that we need a false #9 they're full of complaints about poor passing execution, missed chances and individual defensive mistakes. None of those things will ever appear on a whiteboard marked 'MUST DO'.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
I didn't see your game today, but when I've seen you before, I've thought your attacking is way too predictable, particularly when you have the ball a lot against teams that retain their defensive shape. Most teams aren't going to be open to the counter against you as they'll be be wanting to play the same way. That and when you lose the ball, your defensive transition is way too slow and teams can exploit it easily.
A lot of that is down to the players, a lot is down to coaching too though. Aside from that, Solksjaers biggest mistake so far for me was not getting a midfielder in in the summer, which was the most important area you needed to sort and where he should have started with building your squad.
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Class post as usual, Melton.
OGS is clueless when we face teams that sit, ridiculous to think a Manchester United manager does not know what to do when faced with this issue. Something a manager that relegated Cardiff would have an issue overcoming.
I was ready to give this guy a chance, granted you can see some positives in our play and some direction. The comparison between him and Klopperty is laughable.
I honestly don't get how De Gea starts every PL game pretty much. He is near useless.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Yep, centre midfield is the problem for me. Trying to assess tactics with this midfield is nigh on impossible.
Two points from fifth, let’s not panic.
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Eight points off fourth you mean?
I always find that you play in very straight lines and the midfield 2 and attacking 4 look very disconnected constantly, which hurts ball progression obviously
I also think he's very slow to change things in terms of substitutions and shape
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
The OP clearly high on the ganja. He was waffling all summer and now has the audacity to post this rubbish. Our football is comedy. The players looked lost out there. Manager has not got a clue what he is doing, which is clear to see if you understand football.
He is asking us what do we think will happen if we were to appoint a manager that took Spurs and Southampton by the way a level or 2 up during his tenure. With limited resources.
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The man who took Spurs up a level was doing that well he was just sacked.
You posit to understand football so come on, let's have it. What is Ole doing that is so easily remedied?
comment by Uncle Ray (U18999)
posted 27 minutes ago
Apparently Paunch will make all of these players world class and we'll be in the hunt for the title by March!
I feel your pain OP. The squad isn't very good and no manager can make them so.
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A shiny new poch is on the market who will make it all better
Wow since March last season Man Utd scored 7.3 goals less than expected and conceded 5.34 goals more than expected. This season we scored 3.92 goals less than expected and conceded 3.04 goals more than expected.
Never seen a season we can't consistently win games we dominate.
The players should be ashamed of themselves. I think the money has got to Rashford head.
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
The OP clearly high on the ganja. He was waffling all summer and now has the audacity to post this rubbish. Our football is comedy. The players looked lost out there. Manager has not got a clue what he is doing, which is clear to see if you understand football.
He is asking us what do we think will happen if we were to appoint a manager that took Spurs and Southampton by the way a level or 2 up during his tenure. With limited resources.
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The man who took Spurs up a level was doing that well he was just sacked.
You posit to understand football so come on, let's have it. What is Ole doing that is so easily remedied?
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What a ridiculous thing to write. Some of the top top players from this country have commented what he did with Spurs is nothing short of bloody brilliant. Newsflash. Mourinho won a title for Chelsea and got sacked. I am not really sure what your point is, so please enlighten me?
If you can't see what Ole is doing wrong, that's your problem fella.
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 26 seconds ago
I always find that you play in very straight lines and the midfield 2 and attacking 4 look very disconnected constantly, which hurts ball progression obviously
I also think he's very slow to change things in terms of substitutions and shape
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A nuanced post. Finally (Melts was well tbf).
Agree with this. Often it looks like a 4-2-4 and movement from midfield up is generally horrendous. Runs in behind seem to be the only form of movement. Part of that is ball not coming quick enough from midfield (Garner could rectify), some of it is poor footballing intelligence from the forwards.
We're certainly not fluid and missing quality in midfield and at #10. Martial hasn't been doing enough as a CF since coming back either.
I dont think people would be as critical of the same results if the football was more appealing btw
It's the combination of the results and the dinosaur football that is the problem
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 56 seconds ago
I dont think people would be as critical of the same results if the football was more appealing btw
It's the combination of the results and the dinosaur football that is the problem
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Manchester United for large parts being pegged back by a team that just gained promotion. We should all dance and sing. I want to have whatever these idiots are having
I like how the fact we kept 3 clean sheets in a row in February and since then kept 2 PL clean sheets in last 25 PL games whilst allowing near the fewest chances.
I honestly think Solskjaer problem is we allow to few chances so every team know if they don't take near every chance they won't get another one. Remember SAF 11/12 season team they allowed tons of chances but got away with it. Honestly don't know how every team we play this season are so clinical. You see teams miss tons of chances against Spurs and Arsenal but against us they take nearly every chance they get.
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Uncle Ray (U18999)
posted 27 minutes ago
Apparently Paunch will make all of these players world class and we'll be in the hunt for the title by March!
I feel your pain OP. The squad isn't very good and no manager can make them so.
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A shiny new poch is on the market who will make it all better
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It wouldn’t change over night but he’d eventually have us back up there imo. Ole has been here a year now and I genuinely can’t see any style of play being implemented and even the coaching has been poor, the players look like they haven’t got a clue. And I don’t buy this our squad is awful because it isn’t and should be doing a lot better.
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 3 minutes ago
What is Ole doing wrong: horrible transfer market, tactics, clueless in game management, no evidence of coaching or any game plan. We wouldn’t see worse results than we are if we had a Sunday league manager managing us. Inept
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Great.
So Poch comes in tomorrow and is guaranteed to have a great transfer window, in December...
And changes the 4-2-3-1 with advanced full backs to... something else but it will definitely be better despite that being Spurs' system under him.
In game management. Look at the state of the bench. We've been relying on Greenwood to dig us out of a hole every time. Unless of course sticking Romero on in CM about the 70 min mark would help see out matches?
What would be evidence of this coaching you desire?
The game plan is described as in the OP. If I can see it so can you. However the players are not good enough to carry it out. Match threads are not full of people complaining that we need a false #9 they're full of complaints about poor passing execution, missed chances and individual defensive mistakes. None of those things will ever appear on a whiteboard marked 'MUST DO'.
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The formation isn’t really that important though in that any formation can work if you have the players to suit it. If you take the poor passing execution, part of that is down to the lack of runs off the ball other players are making. If you haven’t got a midfielder that is particularly creative (which you don’t) then your other players have to compensate for that by constantly trying to find space. I don’t see them doing that aside from Martial and Rashford occasionally making a run when your defenders have it and they look for a ball over the top. That isn’t an option when you have possession higher up the pitch though, which you will do against a lot of opposition.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
Newsflash. Mourinho won a title for Chelsea and got sacked. I am not really sure what your point is, so please enlighten me?
If you can't see what Ole is doing wrong, that's your problem fella.
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Good point. We ballsed up in hiring the last manager sacked from a Top 4 team.
You have nothing mate. That is why you've posted in this thread at least half a dozen times without being able to put your finger on what Ole is doing wrong.
You're just a gloryhunter with no appreciation of football that can't handle their chosen team being presently unsuccessful.
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posted on 1/12/19
This squad finished 2nd only a few months before Ole took over. It’s by no means a good squad and clearly needs work which will take a bit of time but that’s no excuse for playing the quality of football we’re currently seeing and we should be doing a lot better.
I’d love Ole to succeed but he’s doing a poor job, he’s still hasn’t really got us playing any sort of system that makes sense or improving individuals. He’s left our squad weaker somehow and spent a world record fee on a plank of wood. I get fans want to believe he can succeed but he clearly isn’t and pointing that out doesn’t make you a bad or negative fan.
posted on 1/12/19
Man Utd last 2 home games 2nd half total. 28 shots 12 on target 2 goals scored and 6 shots 3 on target conceded 2 goals.
Honestly think De Gea Rashford and Martial now are trying everything to sack Solskjaer.
posted on 1/12/19
A new manager will likely focus on defensive organisation first. Something that has been missing.
posted on 1/12/19
I'd quite fancy this on Wednesday assuming no shock returns from injury but the system and tactics are the most suitable for the squad.
--------------------------DDG----------------------
Williams------Axel-------------Maguire---------Shaw
----------------Garner----------Fred---------------
James-----------------Pereira----------------Martial
-------------------------Rashford-----------------------
posted on 1/12/19
We have created significantly more chances than Leicester City and allowed significantly fewer chances against us. Leicester City goal difference is +24 and Man Utd goal difference is +4. Now thats what Solskjaer is dealing with.
posted on 1/12/19
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. LEVY OUT. (U7905)
posted 3 minutes ago
Solksjaer is out of his depth. I think it's crazy you're not going all out for Poch. He is clearly a far superior manager who would get you playing much better.
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The OP clearly high on the ganja. He was waffling all summer and now has the audacity to post this rubbish. Our football is comedy. The players looked lost out there. Manager has not got a clue what he is doing, which is clear to see if you understand football.
He is asking us what do we think will happen if we were to appoint a manager that took Spurs and Southampton by the way a level or 2 up during his tenure. With limited resources.
posted on 1/12/19
I didn't see your game today, but when I've seen you before, I've thought your attacking is way too predictable, particularly when you have the ball a lot against teams that retain their defensive shape. Most teams aren't going to be open to the counter against you as they'll be be wanting to play the same way. That and when you lose the ball, your defensive transition is way too slow and teams can exploit it easily.
A lot of that is down to the players, a lot is down to coaching too though. Aside from that, Solksjaers biggest mistake so far for me was not getting a midfielder in in the summer, which was the most important area you needed to sort and where he should have started with building your squad.
posted on 1/12/19
Yep, centre midfield is the problem for me. Trying to assess tactics with this midfield is nigh on impossible.
Two points from fifth, let’s not panic.
posted on 1/12/19
Since keeping three consecutive Premier League clean sheets in February, United have only kept two in their last 25 games in the competition (36 goals conceded).
...
Don't get what has happened to De Gea. Nearly every game we concede far more than expected since then. Its strange we have like the lowest chances against since then, we are allowing even fewer chances then when we went on that amazing clean sheet run under SAF but we can't keep a clean sheet.
Maybe we allow to few chances De Gea can't be bothered to even try to save shots. Honeslty think a top keeper would have saved both goals today as they were well within reach.
posted on 1/12/19
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 3 minutes ago
What is Ole doing wrong: horrible transfer market, tactics, clueless in game management, no evidence of coaching or any game plan. We wouldn’t see worse results than we are if we had a Sunday league manager managing us. Inept
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Great.
So Poch comes in tomorrow and is guaranteed to have a great transfer window, in December...
And changes the 4-2-3-1 with advanced full backs to... something else but it will definitely be better despite that being Spurs' system under him.
In game management. Look at the state of the bench. We've been relying on Greenwood to dig us out of a hole every time. Unless of course sticking Romero on in CM about the 70 min mark would help see out matches?
What would be evidence of this coaching you desire?
The game plan is described as in the OP. If I can see it so can you. However the players are not good enough to carry it out. Match threads are not full of people complaining that we need a false #9 they're full of complaints about poor passing execution, missed chances and individual defensive mistakes. None of those things will ever appear on a whiteboard marked 'MUST DO'.
posted on 1/12/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
I didn't see your game today, but when I've seen you before, I've thought your attacking is way too predictable, particularly when you have the ball a lot against teams that retain their defensive shape. Most teams aren't going to be open to the counter against you as they'll be be wanting to play the same way. That and when you lose the ball, your defensive transition is way too slow and teams can exploit it easily.
A lot of that is down to the players, a lot is down to coaching too though. Aside from that, Solksjaers biggest mistake so far for me was not getting a midfielder in in the summer, which was the most important area you needed to sort and where he should have started with building your squad.
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Class post as usual, Melton.
OGS is clueless when we face teams that sit, ridiculous to think a Manchester United manager does not know what to do when faced with this issue. Something a manager that relegated Cardiff would have an issue overcoming.
I was ready to give this guy a chance, granted you can see some positives in our play and some direction. The comparison between him and Klopperty is laughable.
posted on 1/12/19
I honestly don't get how De Gea starts every PL game pretty much. He is near useless.
posted on 1/12/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Yep, centre midfield is the problem for me. Trying to assess tactics with this midfield is nigh on impossible.
Two points from fifth, let’s not panic.
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Eight points off fourth you mean?
posted on 1/12/19
I always find that you play in very straight lines and the midfield 2 and attacking 4 look very disconnected constantly, which hurts ball progression obviously
I also think he's very slow to change things in terms of substitutions and shape
posted on 1/12/19
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
The OP clearly high on the ganja. He was waffling all summer and now has the audacity to post this rubbish. Our football is comedy. The players looked lost out there. Manager has not got a clue what he is doing, which is clear to see if you understand football.
He is asking us what do we think will happen if we were to appoint a manager that took Spurs and Southampton by the way a level or 2 up during his tenure. With limited resources.
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The man who took Spurs up a level was doing that well he was just sacked.
You posit to understand football so come on, let's have it. What is Ole doing that is so easily remedied?
posted on 1/12/19
comment by Uncle Ray (U18999)
posted 27 minutes ago
Apparently Paunch will make all of these players world class and we'll be in the hunt for the title by March!
I feel your pain OP. The squad isn't very good and no manager can make them so.
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A shiny new poch is on the market who will make it all better
posted on 1/12/19
Wow since March last season Man Utd scored 7.3 goals less than expected and conceded 5.34 goals more than expected. This season we scored 3.92 goals less than expected and conceded 3.04 goals more than expected.
Never seen a season we can't consistently win games we dominate.
The players should be ashamed of themselves. I think the money has got to Rashford head.
posted on 1/12/19
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
The OP clearly high on the ganja. He was waffling all summer and now has the audacity to post this rubbish. Our football is comedy. The players looked lost out there. Manager has not got a clue what he is doing, which is clear to see if you understand football.
He is asking us what do we think will happen if we were to appoint a manager that took Spurs and Southampton by the way a level or 2 up during his tenure. With limited resources.
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The man who took Spurs up a level was doing that well he was just sacked.
You posit to understand football so come on, let's have it. What is Ole doing that is so easily remedied?
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What a ridiculous thing to write. Some of the top top players from this country have commented what he did with Spurs is nothing short of bloody brilliant. Newsflash. Mourinho won a title for Chelsea and got sacked. I am not really sure what your point is, so please enlighten me?
If you can't see what Ole is doing wrong, that's your problem fella.
posted on 1/12/19
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 26 seconds ago
I always find that you play in very straight lines and the midfield 2 and attacking 4 look very disconnected constantly, which hurts ball progression obviously
I also think he's very slow to change things in terms of substitutions and shape
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A nuanced post. Finally (Melts was well tbf).
Agree with this. Often it looks like a 4-2-4 and movement from midfield up is generally horrendous. Runs in behind seem to be the only form of movement. Part of that is ball not coming quick enough from midfield (Garner could rectify), some of it is poor footballing intelligence from the forwards.
We're certainly not fluid and missing quality in midfield and at #10. Martial hasn't been doing enough as a CF since coming back either.
posted on 1/12/19
I dont think people would be as critical of the same results if the football was more appealing btw
It's the combination of the results and the dinosaur football that is the problem
posted on 1/12/19
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 56 seconds ago
I dont think people would be as critical of the same results if the football was more appealing btw
It's the combination of the results and the dinosaur football that is the problem
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Manchester United for large parts being pegged back by a team that just gained promotion. We should all dance and sing. I want to have whatever these idiots are having
posted on 1/12/19
I like how the fact we kept 3 clean sheets in a row in February and since then kept 2 PL clean sheets in last 25 PL games whilst allowing near the fewest chances.
I honestly think Solskjaer problem is we allow to few chances so every team know if they don't take near every chance they won't get another one. Remember SAF 11/12 season team they allowed tons of chances but got away with it. Honestly don't know how every team we play this season are so clinical. You see teams miss tons of chances against Spurs and Arsenal but against us they take nearly every chance they get.
posted on 1/12/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Uncle Ray (U18999)
posted 27 minutes ago
Apparently Paunch will make all of these players world class and we'll be in the hunt for the title by March!
I feel your pain OP. The squad isn't very good and no manager can make them so.
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A shiny new poch is on the market who will make it all better
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It wouldn’t change over night but he’d eventually have us back up there imo. Ole has been here a year now and I genuinely can’t see any style of play being implemented and even the coaching has been poor, the players look like they haven’t got a clue. And I don’t buy this our squad is awful because it isn’t and should be doing a lot better.
posted on 1/12/19
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 3 minutes ago
What is Ole doing wrong: horrible transfer market, tactics, clueless in game management, no evidence of coaching or any game plan. We wouldn’t see worse results than we are if we had a Sunday league manager managing us. Inept
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Great.
So Poch comes in tomorrow and is guaranteed to have a great transfer window, in December...
And changes the 4-2-3-1 with advanced full backs to... something else but it will definitely be better despite that being Spurs' system under him.
In game management. Look at the state of the bench. We've been relying on Greenwood to dig us out of a hole every time. Unless of course sticking Romero on in CM about the 70 min mark would help see out matches?
What would be evidence of this coaching you desire?
The game plan is described as in the OP. If I can see it so can you. However the players are not good enough to carry it out. Match threads are not full of people complaining that we need a false #9 they're full of complaints about poor passing execution, missed chances and individual defensive mistakes. None of those things will ever appear on a whiteboard marked 'MUST DO'.
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The formation isn’t really that important though in that any formation can work if you have the players to suit it. If you take the poor passing execution, part of that is down to the lack of runs off the ball other players are making. If you haven’t got a midfielder that is particularly creative (which you don’t) then your other players have to compensate for that by constantly trying to find space. I don’t see them doing that aside from Martial and Rashford occasionally making a run when your defenders have it and they look for a ball over the top. That isn’t an option when you have possession higher up the pitch though, which you will do against a lot of opposition.
posted on 1/12/19
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
Newsflash. Mourinho won a title for Chelsea and got sacked. I am not really sure what your point is, so please enlighten me?
If you can't see what Ole is doing wrong, that's your problem fella.
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Good point. We ballsed up in hiring the last manager sacked from a Top 4 team.
You have nothing mate. That is why you've posted in this thread at least half a dozen times without being able to put your finger on what Ole is doing wrong.
You're just a gloryhunter with no appreciation of football that can't handle their chosen team being presently unsuccessful.
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