comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ah an article that is kept open because it suits admins opinions. But don't have a difference of opinion. Admins will straight away close the thread.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Saw your latest article however it was closed before I was able to comment.
It is clear however that you're trying to push a completely different agenda to the one in the link you posted. The Ian Ladyman article criticises the media for jumping on the bandwagon before all the facts are collated. That the media coverage on the issue, prior to the investigation on the alleged incident being concluded, only fans the flames of the racism debate.
Your article however essentially stated that if a black player reports a perceived incident of racism and it transpires that no evidence of racism comes to light then they should be forced to apologise. Even going so far as to say that this is as bad as racism itself, which is ridiculous.
In fact the Ian Ladyman article states and I quote "If it never comes, it doesn't mean nothing happened or that Rudiger was making it up. Rightly, the German was taken at his word".
You however seem to be pushing that he was making it up, dare I say it in attempt to downplay the whole racism issue itself? Hopefully this isn't the case and I'm sure you'll be able to clarify
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have never said that at all. If you actually however see what Rudiger wrote it comes across like he knows who it was even saying there were two individuals. The fact that straight away he has shouted racism amd the whole furore afterwards I think Rudiger should make comment about it again maybe saying he may have got it wrong.
The media are so quick to judge yet no comment afterwards if it may not have happened which could well have been the case in this instance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If he believes he got it right, which he obviously does, then why would he put put a statement saying he may have got it wrong? What is gained there?
The cried wolf sort of angle is interesting. Whilst I think that most footballers would never stoop that low, there may be some out there that might want to use it to deflect from an awful performance, especially given the immediate furore that surrounds that sort of thing.
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ah an article that is kept open because it suits admins opinions. But don't have a difference of opinion. Admins will straight away close the thread.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Saw your latest article however it was closed before I was able to comment.
It is clear however that you're trying to push a completely different agenda to the one in the link you posted. The Ian Ladyman article criticises the media for jumping on the bandwagon before all the facts are collated. That the media coverage on the issue, prior to the investigation on the alleged incident being concluded, only fans the flames of the racism debate.
Your article however essentially stated that if a black player reports a perceived incident of racism and it transpires that no evidence of racism comes to light then they should be forced to apologise. Even going so far as to say that this is as bad as racism itself, which is ridiculous.
In fact the Ian Ladyman article states and I quote "If it never comes, it doesn't mean nothing happened or that Rudiger was making it up. Rightly, the German was taken at his word".
You however seem to be pushing that he was making it up, dare I say it in attempt to downplay the whole racism issue itself? Hopefully this isn't the case and I'm sure you'll be able to clarify
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have never said that at all. If you actually however see what Rudiger wrote it comes across like he knows who it was even saying there were two individuals. The fact that straight away he has shouted racism amd the whole furore afterwards I think Rudiger should make comment about it again maybe saying he may have got it wrong.
The media are so quick to judge yet no comment afterwards if it may not have happened which could well have been the case in this instance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What did he write? I'm referring to his reaction at the game so would be interesting to see what else occurred after
Again though you seem to be inferring that he intentionally made it up, playing the race card if you like. I'm really struggling to see that. You can see by his immediate reaction that he incensed and quite rightly brings it to the refs attention. The ref then refers the matter to the authorities and it is investigated, exactly how the process should work.
I'm not sure why an apology would need to be issued. Its not as though he's directly accused Spurs of being racist and made an attack against the club. Simply that he thought he heard a racist shout and reported it accordingly.
I mean he obviously heard something, its the content of the comment which is up for debate. If the comment was not racist then surely that's a good thing, case closed. Not sure why you feel an apology needs to be issued? Are you offended by the matter?
The whole media debate is a separate issue. Either way seeking to go after the victim of an alleged racist incident doesn't in any way point to a resolution of the issue.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 8 seconds ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's another angle to potentially consider. I always felt evra over exaggerated the Suarez thing for effect, (there was clearly something that upset him said), but the fallout was spectacular as a result. I might be wrong in that. People tend to overact on these things which I think is partially pythons point.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 4 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If it were Rashford or Martial would you believe them? Or would you be demanding an apology?
Intrigued whether its because Rudiger is an opposition player or whether you would accuse any victim of alleged racial abuse of intentionally lying
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 42 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Antonio Rudiger
by Manc Python (U17527)
30 December 2019
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
So it appears the admins have removed my article. It appears that they also don't like the other side of racism discussions.
Well admins there are different points of view and sometimes you may not agree but doesn't mean its wrong.
"
This coming from the cry baby who filters anyone that dares to disagree with him
comment by Dubbed the new Arteta (U21076)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 42 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Antonio Rudiger
by Manc Python (U17527)
30 December 2019
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
So it appears the admins have removed my article. It appears that they also don't like the other side of racism discussions.
Well admins there are different points of view and sometimes you may not agree but doesn't mean its wrong.
"
This coming from the cry baby who filters anyone that dares to disagree with him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who filters?
Take a Boo, you are probably one of the most measured and thoughtful commenters i've seen on the internet. Too often people are leading with their emotions, like Manc over there. Not you, just factual and succinct. I was ready to go on and argue the point you made but having ready your responses, i feel it's all covered haha. Bravo.
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 4 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If it were Rashford or Martial would you believe them? Or would you be demanding an apology?
Intrigued whether its because Rudiger is an opposition player or whether you would accuse any victim of alleged racial abuse of intentionally lying
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any player no matter who
I don't think it's about believing him or about stating he made it up. The accusation was made and investigated. No evidence was found in this particular incident of racism occurring but neither was it found of it not occurring. Therefore it's hardly logical that the player should come out and apologise. In fact it's a bit of a stupid comment, considering we don't know if it occurred or not. Potentially you're asking somebody to apologise for being the victim of racist abuse. That does nothing to help in regards to the obvious issue, which seems to be on the rise this season.
comment by Dubbed the new Arteta (U21076)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 42 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Antonio Rudiger
by Manc Python (U17527)
30 December 2019
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
So it appears the admins have removed my article. It appears that they also don't like the other side of racism discussions.
Well admins there are different points of view and sometimes you may not agree but doesn't mean its wrong.
"
This coming from the cry baby who filters anyone that dares to disagree with him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That article was closed down by the admins (and rightly so), and left it there for everyone to see what a moronic poster Python is.
comment by JohnStreep (U18296)
posted 35 minutes ago
Take a Boo, you are probably one of the most measured and thoughtful commenters i've seen on the internet. Too often people are leading with their emotions, like Manc over there. Not you, just factual and succinct. I was ready to go on and argue the point you made but having ready your responses, i feel it's all covered haha. Bravo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cheers mate, appreciate it
I try to not let emotions get in the way of a good debate. Obviously I have my own opinion however I'm always keen to hear the other side of the argument, get an insight into the thinking of someone with an opposing opinion. As soon as it turns into a personal slanging match then the debate is lost so I try and stick to the facts where possible.
I find the whole issue of prejudice baffling, especially in this day and age. Treat others how you wish to be treated and everyone will get along just fine.
comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Dubbed the new Arteta (U21076)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 42 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Antonio Rudiger
by Manc Python (U17527)
30 December 2019
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
So it appears the admins have removed my article. It appears that they also don't like the other side of racism discussions.
Well admins there are different points of view and sometimes you may not agree but doesn't mean its wrong.
"
This coming from the cry baby who filters anyone that dares to disagree with him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That article was closed down by the admins (and rightly so), and left it there for everyone to see what a moronic poster Python is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again do i know you?
Secondly clearly you are too thick to actually put down a reasonable response to my article
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 4 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If it were Rashford or Martial would you believe them? Or would you be demanding an apology?
Intrigued whether its because Rudiger is an opposition player or whether you would accuse any victim of alleged racial abuse of intentionally lying
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any player no matter who
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So to be clear, your initial thought when seeing a player report an incident of racial abuse is that they must be lying?
I mean as you've pointed out there has been no final outcome on the alleged Rudiger incident yet you seem to have concluded, with confidence, that it was all made up out of malicious intent from the player?
That's mad. I mean what exactly would he be trying to achieve, surely if nothing was said then it would eventually come to light and making up a false accusation would only undermine the whole issue of racism.
Can I ask whether you think there is generally an issue of racism within football? Or whether this is something that is being made up or dramatised?
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 4 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If it were Rashford or Martial would you believe them? Or would you be demanding an apology?
Intrigued whether its because Rudiger is an opposition player or whether you would accuse any victim of alleged racial abuse of intentionally lying
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any player no matter who
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So to be clear, your initial thought when seeing a player report an incident of racial abuse is that they must be lying?
I mean as you've pointed out there has been no final outcome on the alleged Rudiger incident yet you seem to have concluded, with confidence, that it was all made up out of malicious intent from the player?
That's mad. I mean what exactly would he be trying to achieve, surely if nothing was said then it would eventually come to light and making up a false accusation would only undermine the whole issue of racism.
Can I ask whether you think there is generally an issue of racism within football? Or whether this is something that is being made up or dramatised?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No i didn't initially think the player was lying. I like to see the evidence first however and i think for the media, pundits etc etc to go really overboard on it straight away without hearing or seeing any evidence is ridiculous. Obviously the one a few weeks before in the Manchester derby was plain to see as you could ckearly see him doing a monkey gesture.
As for the issues in football. Do i think football has an issue? No I don't. Does society have an issue? Yes
Look at the amount of football fans that attend games every game over a whole year. You are talking millions, how many racial incidents are reported? You are probably talking less than 1% of the amount of people that actually attend. I went to OT in the late 80s early 90s and you would hear racist chants, racist noises, racist remarks. Now I honestly can't remember the last racist remark. Yes it happens but if you are asking me is it football that has a racist problem then I would have to say no.
Fair enough, I mean I'd argue that football is a reflection of society and that whilst racism isn't isolated to football, it is very much alive in the game which is a shame in this day an age. Fortunately it isn't encountered at every game however it does appear to be rearing its ugly head.
With regard to the specific Rudiger incident, unless you're privy to additional information that is yet to be published, it can only be assumed that you've come to this conclusion solely on the basis that nothing further has been mentioned of the incident.
Do you not think that the point raised by myself, other posters and the Ian Ladyman article itself, that it is likely that Rudiger simply reported what heard he perceived to be a racist comment, holds much merit?
Surely this seems much more plausible that to accuse the player of intentionally making it up 'because he was caught up in the heat of the moment' and demanding he should make some sort of public apology.
Other than a preconceived prejudice, that he's black and therefore must be playing the race card, I'm struggling to see the rationale behind your thought process. I mean you've accused the media of jumping to conclusions without seeing all the evidence yet surely you're now guilty of the same thing?
The articles I've read thus far suggest the evidence is inconclusive and therefore it's impossible to determine what was actually said. Let alone jump to the accusation that this whole incident was concocted by the player.
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 43 seconds ago
Fair enough, I mean I'd argue that football is a reflection of society and that whilst racism isn't isolated to football, it is very much alive in the game which is a shame in this day an age. Fortunately it isn't encountered at every game however it does appear to be rearing its ugly head.
With regard to the specific Rudiger incident, unless you're privy to additional information that is yet to be published, it can only be assumed that you've come to this conclusion solely on the basis that nothing further has been mentioned of the incident.
Do you not think that the point raised by myself, other posters and the Ian Ladyman article itself, that it is likely that Rudiger simply reported what heard he perceived to be a racist comment, holds much merit?
Surely this seems much more plausible that to accuse the player of intentionally making it up 'because he was caught up in the heat of the moment' and demanding he should make some sort of public apology.
Other than a preconceived prejudice, that he's black and therefore must be playing the race card, I'm struggling to see the rationale behind your thought process. I mean you've accused the media of jumping to conclusions without seeing all the evidence yet surely you're now guilty of the same thing?
The articles I've read thus far suggest the evidence is inconclusive and therefore it's impossible to determine what was actually said. Let alone jump to the accusation that this whole incident was concocted by the player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I haven't though. I have given my opinion that i think he is lying but that is just my opinion. The media and pundits all made out straight away that he was the victim and made a huge deal out of it before hearing any facts or evidence or anything. Where in any other walk of life would you hear an allegation from someone and straight away jump on the bandwagon?
I'm just struggling to see, with the limited available information, how you've come to the conclusion that not only was nothing said, but that he also intentionally lied about the incident? I mean it's pretty much impossible to make that accusation, with any certainty, without being privy to all of the available information.
With regard to the bandwagon, that's formed as part of a wider issue. No doubt sparked by increasing racism at games in Eastern Europe and Italy, which now seems to be in danger of creeping into the Premier League. After the whole Raheem Sterling incident, followed by the monkey gestures at the City/United game it was pretty obvious that any further high profile incidents were going to warrant attention.
The irony is that until now I wasn't even aware that there was an incident of racist abuse towards Son which resulted in someone being arrested. So in reality, the media were right to raise the issue of racism after the game, they should just have focused on the Son incident instead.
Unless of course you think the Son incident was also made up?
Your article however essentially stated that if a black player reports a perceived incident of racism and it transpires that no evidence of racism comes to light then they should be forced to apologise. Even going so far as to say that this is as bad as racism itself, which is ridiculous.
-------
W@nk Python is bat sheet crazy FFS.
Its a wonder he is even allowed to be a member of this site.
comment by Naby one Kenaby - The flop is strong with this one (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
Your article however essentially stated that if a black player reports a perceived incident of racism and it transpires that no evidence of racism comes to light then they should be forced to apologise. Even going so far as to say that this is as bad as racism itself, which is ridiculous.
-------
W@nk Python is bat sheet crazy FFS.
Its a wonder he is even allowed to be a member of this site.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You literally offer nothing to this site. No debating skills, no humour, nothing. Its a wonder you are even allowed to breath
Manc is your issue specifically with supposed false racist accusations or all false accusations. I dont get your motivation here. Can you give us an idea of your thought process? What is it in this specific case that you have a problem with?
comment by JohnStreep (U18296)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
Manc is your issue specifically with supposed false racist accusations or all false accusations. I dont get your motivation here. Can you give us an idea of your thought process? What is it in this specific case that you have a problem with?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Python has an IQ of a breadstick, thus way too tricky for him to answer. Go easy on him next time.
comment by JohnStreep (U18296)
posted 5 hours, 29 minutes ago
Manc is your issue specifically with supposed false racist accusations or all false accusations. I dont get your motivation here. Can you give us an idea of your thought process? What is it in this specific case that you have a problem with?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
All false accusations
comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by JohnStreep (U18296)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
Manc is your issue specifically with supposed false racist accusations or all false accusations. I dont get your motivation here. Can you give us an idea of your thought process? What is it in this specific case that you have a problem with?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Python has an IQ of a breadstick, thus way too tricky for him to answer. Go easy on him next time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not going to feck you lad. You are an irrelevant little worm
Sign in if you want to comment
Are we racist against Black players
Page 6 of 7
6 | 7
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ah an article that is kept open because it suits admins opinions. But don't have a difference of opinion. Admins will straight away close the thread.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Saw your latest article however it was closed before I was able to comment.
It is clear however that you're trying to push a completely different agenda to the one in the link you posted. The Ian Ladyman article criticises the media for jumping on the bandwagon before all the facts are collated. That the media coverage on the issue, prior to the investigation on the alleged incident being concluded, only fans the flames of the racism debate.
Your article however essentially stated that if a black player reports a perceived incident of racism and it transpires that no evidence of racism comes to light then they should be forced to apologise. Even going so far as to say that this is as bad as racism itself, which is ridiculous.
In fact the Ian Ladyman article states and I quote "If it never comes, it doesn't mean nothing happened or that Rudiger was making it up. Rightly, the German was taken at his word".
You however seem to be pushing that he was making it up, dare I say it in attempt to downplay the whole racism issue itself? Hopefully this isn't the case and I'm sure you'll be able to clarify
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have never said that at all. If you actually however see what Rudiger wrote it comes across like he knows who it was even saying there were two individuals. The fact that straight away he has shouted racism amd the whole furore afterwards I think Rudiger should make comment about it again maybe saying he may have got it wrong.
The media are so quick to judge yet no comment afterwards if it may not have happened which could well have been the case in this instance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If he believes he got it right, which he obviously does, then why would he put put a statement saying he may have got it wrong? What is gained there?
posted on 30/12/19
The cried wolf sort of angle is interesting. Whilst I think that most footballers would never stoop that low, there may be some out there that might want to use it to deflect from an awful performance, especially given the immediate furore that surrounds that sort of thing.
posted on 30/12/19
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ah an article that is kept open because it suits admins opinions. But don't have a difference of opinion. Admins will straight away close the thread.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Saw your latest article however it was closed before I was able to comment.
It is clear however that you're trying to push a completely different agenda to the one in the link you posted. The Ian Ladyman article criticises the media for jumping on the bandwagon before all the facts are collated. That the media coverage on the issue, prior to the investigation on the alleged incident being concluded, only fans the flames of the racism debate.
Your article however essentially stated that if a black player reports a perceived incident of racism and it transpires that no evidence of racism comes to light then they should be forced to apologise. Even going so far as to say that this is as bad as racism itself, which is ridiculous.
In fact the Ian Ladyman article states and I quote "If it never comes, it doesn't mean nothing happened or that Rudiger was making it up. Rightly, the German was taken at his word".
You however seem to be pushing that he was making it up, dare I say it in attempt to downplay the whole racism issue itself? Hopefully this isn't the case and I'm sure you'll be able to clarify
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have never said that at all. If you actually however see what Rudiger wrote it comes across like he knows who it was even saying there were two individuals. The fact that straight away he has shouted racism amd the whole furore afterwards I think Rudiger should make comment about it again maybe saying he may have got it wrong.
The media are so quick to judge yet no comment afterwards if it may not have happened which could well have been the case in this instance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What did he write? I'm referring to his reaction at the game so would be interesting to see what else occurred after
Again though you seem to be inferring that he intentionally made it up, playing the race card if you like. I'm really struggling to see that. You can see by his immediate reaction that he incensed and quite rightly brings it to the refs attention. The ref then refers the matter to the authorities and it is investigated, exactly how the process should work.
I'm not sure why an apology would need to be issued. Its not as though he's directly accused Spurs of being racist and made an attack against the club. Simply that he thought he heard a racist shout and reported it accordingly.
I mean he obviously heard something, its the content of the comment which is up for debate. If the comment was not racist then surely that's a good thing, case closed. Not sure why you feel an apology needs to be issued? Are you offended by the matter?
The whole media debate is a separate issue. Either way seeking to go after the victim of an alleged racist incident doesn't in any way point to a resolution of the issue.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 8 seconds ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's another angle to potentially consider. I always felt evra over exaggerated the Suarez thing for effect, (there was clearly something that upset him said), but the fallout was spectacular as a result. I might be wrong in that. People tend to overact on these things which I think is partially pythons point.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 4 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If it were Rashford or Martial would you believe them? Or would you be demanding an apology?
Intrigued whether its because Rudiger is an opposition player or whether you would accuse any victim of alleged racial abuse of intentionally lying
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 42 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Antonio Rudiger
by Manc Python (U17527)
30 December 2019
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
So it appears the admins have removed my article. It appears that they also don't like the other side of racism discussions.
Well admins there are different points of view and sometimes you may not agree but doesn't mean its wrong.
"
This coming from the cry baby who filters anyone that dares to disagree with him
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Dubbed the new Arteta (U21076)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 42 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Antonio Rudiger
by Manc Python (U17527)
30 December 2019
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
So it appears the admins have removed my article. It appears that they also don't like the other side of racism discussions.
Well admins there are different points of view and sometimes you may not agree but doesn't mean its wrong.
"
This coming from the cry baby who filters anyone that dares to disagree with him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who filters?
posted on 30/12/19
Take a Boo, you are probably one of the most measured and thoughtful commenters i've seen on the internet. Too often people are leading with their emotions, like Manc over there. Not you, just factual and succinct. I was ready to go on and argue the point you made but having ready your responses, i feel it's all covered haha. Bravo.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 4 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If it were Rashford or Martial would you believe them? Or would you be demanding an apology?
Intrigued whether its because Rudiger is an opposition player or whether you would accuse any victim of alleged racial abuse of intentionally lying
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any player no matter who
posted on 30/12/19
I don't think it's about believing him or about stating he made it up. The accusation was made and investigated. No evidence was found in this particular incident of racism occurring but neither was it found of it not occurring. Therefore it's hardly logical that the player should come out and apologise. In fact it's a bit of a stupid comment, considering we don't know if it occurred or not. Potentially you're asking somebody to apologise for being the victim of racist abuse. That does nothing to help in regards to the obvious issue, which seems to be on the rise this season.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Dubbed the new Arteta (U21076)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 42 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Antonio Rudiger
by Manc Python (U17527)
30 December 2019
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
So it appears the admins have removed my article. It appears that they also don't like the other side of racism discussions.
Well admins there are different points of view and sometimes you may not agree but doesn't mean its wrong.
"
This coming from the cry baby who filters anyone that dares to disagree with him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That article was closed down by the admins (and rightly so), and left it there for everyone to see what a moronic poster Python is.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by JohnStreep (U18296)
posted 35 minutes ago
Take a Boo, you are probably one of the most measured and thoughtful commenters i've seen on the internet. Too often people are leading with their emotions, like Manc over there. Not you, just factual and succinct. I was ready to go on and argue the point you made but having ready your responses, i feel it's all covered haha. Bravo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cheers mate, appreciate it
I try to not let emotions get in the way of a good debate. Obviously I have my own opinion however I'm always keen to hear the other side of the argument, get an insight into the thinking of someone with an opposing opinion. As soon as it turns into a personal slanging match then the debate is lost so I try and stick to the facts where possible.
I find the whole issue of prejudice baffling, especially in this day and age. Treat others how you wish to be treated and everyone will get along just fine.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Dubbed the new Arteta (U21076)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 42 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Antonio Rudiger
by Manc Python (U17527)
30 December 2019
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
So it appears the admins have removed my article. It appears that they also don't like the other side of racism discussions.
Well admins there are different points of view and sometimes you may not agree but doesn't mean its wrong.
"
This coming from the cry baby who filters anyone that dares to disagree with him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That article was closed down by the admins (and rightly so), and left it there for everyone to see what a moronic poster Python is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again do i know you?
Secondly clearly you are too thick to actually put down a reasonable response to my article
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 4 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If it were Rashford or Martial would you believe them? Or would you be demanding an apology?
Intrigued whether its because Rudiger is an opposition player or whether you would accuse any victim of alleged racial abuse of intentionally lying
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any player no matter who
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So to be clear, your initial thought when seeing a player report an incident of racial abuse is that they must be lying?
I mean as you've pointed out there has been no final outcome on the alleged Rudiger incident yet you seem to have concluded, with confidence, that it was all made up out of malicious intent from the player?
That's mad. I mean what exactly would he be trying to achieve, surely if nothing was said then it would eventually come to light and making up a false accusation would only undermine the whole issue of racism.
Can I ask whether you think there is generally an issue of racism within football? Or whether this is something that is being made up or dramatised?
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 4 minutes ago
I honestly don’t believe he got racially abused. I think he was caught up in the heat of the moment especially after making himself look ridiculous by overreacting. Just my view and i could be wrong however I very much doubt it. What is pathetic is the way the media and fans straight away jump on the bandwagon and start this huge media circus around it with literally no proof whatsoever except ONE mans word.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If it were Rashford or Martial would you believe them? Or would you be demanding an apology?
Intrigued whether its because Rudiger is an opposition player or whether you would accuse any victim of alleged racial abuse of intentionally lying
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any player no matter who
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So to be clear, your initial thought when seeing a player report an incident of racial abuse is that they must be lying?
I mean as you've pointed out there has been no final outcome on the alleged Rudiger incident yet you seem to have concluded, with confidence, that it was all made up out of malicious intent from the player?
That's mad. I mean what exactly would he be trying to achieve, surely if nothing was said then it would eventually come to light and making up a false accusation would only undermine the whole issue of racism.
Can I ask whether you think there is generally an issue of racism within football? Or whether this is something that is being made up or dramatised?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No i didn't initially think the player was lying. I like to see the evidence first however and i think for the media, pundits etc etc to go really overboard on it straight away without hearing or seeing any evidence is ridiculous. Obviously the one a few weeks before in the Manchester derby was plain to see as you could ckearly see him doing a monkey gesture.
As for the issues in football. Do i think football has an issue? No I don't. Does society have an issue? Yes
Look at the amount of football fans that attend games every game over a whole year. You are talking millions, how many racial incidents are reported? You are probably talking less than 1% of the amount of people that actually attend. I went to OT in the late 80s early 90s and you would hear racist chants, racist noises, racist remarks. Now I honestly can't remember the last racist remark. Yes it happens but if you are asking me is it football that has a racist problem then I would have to say no.
posted on 30/12/19
Fair enough, I mean I'd argue that football is a reflection of society and that whilst racism isn't isolated to football, it is very much alive in the game which is a shame in this day an age. Fortunately it isn't encountered at every game however it does appear to be rearing its ugly head.
With regard to the specific Rudiger incident, unless you're privy to additional information that is yet to be published, it can only be assumed that you've come to this conclusion solely on the basis that nothing further has been mentioned of the incident.
Do you not think that the point raised by myself, other posters and the Ian Ladyman article itself, that it is likely that Rudiger simply reported what heard he perceived to be a racist comment, holds much merit?
Surely this seems much more plausible that to accuse the player of intentionally making it up 'because he was caught up in the heat of the moment' and demanding he should make some sort of public apology.
Other than a preconceived prejudice, that he's black and therefore must be playing the race card, I'm struggling to see the rationale behind your thought process. I mean you've accused the media of jumping to conclusions without seeing all the evidence yet surely you're now guilty of the same thing?
The articles I've read thus far suggest the evidence is inconclusive and therefore it's impossible to determine what was actually said. Let alone jump to the accusation that this whole incident was concocted by the player.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 43 seconds ago
Fair enough, I mean I'd argue that football is a reflection of society and that whilst racism isn't isolated to football, it is very much alive in the game which is a shame in this day an age. Fortunately it isn't encountered at every game however it does appear to be rearing its ugly head.
With regard to the specific Rudiger incident, unless you're privy to additional information that is yet to be published, it can only be assumed that you've come to this conclusion solely on the basis that nothing further has been mentioned of the incident.
Do you not think that the point raised by myself, other posters and the Ian Ladyman article itself, that it is likely that Rudiger simply reported what heard he perceived to be a racist comment, holds much merit?
Surely this seems much more plausible that to accuse the player of intentionally making it up 'because he was caught up in the heat of the moment' and demanding he should make some sort of public apology.
Other than a preconceived prejudice, that he's black and therefore must be playing the race card, I'm struggling to see the rationale behind your thought process. I mean you've accused the media of jumping to conclusions without seeing all the evidence yet surely you're now guilty of the same thing?
The articles I've read thus far suggest the evidence is inconclusive and therefore it's impossible to determine what was actually said. Let alone jump to the accusation that this whole incident was concocted by the player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I haven't though. I have given my opinion that i think he is lying but that is just my opinion. The media and pundits all made out straight away that he was the victim and made a huge deal out of it before hearing any facts or evidence or anything. Where in any other walk of life would you hear an allegation from someone and straight away jump on the bandwagon?
posted on 30/12/19
I'm just struggling to see, with the limited available information, how you've come to the conclusion that not only was nothing said, but that he also intentionally lied about the incident? I mean it's pretty much impossible to make that accusation, with any certainty, without being privy to all of the available information.
With regard to the bandwagon, that's formed as part of a wider issue. No doubt sparked by increasing racism at games in Eastern Europe and Italy, which now seems to be in danger of creeping into the Premier League. After the whole Raheem Sterling incident, followed by the monkey gestures at the City/United game it was pretty obvious that any further high profile incidents were going to warrant attention.
The irony is that until now I wasn't even aware that there was an incident of racist abuse towards Son which resulted in someone being arrested. So in reality, the media were right to raise the issue of racism after the game, they should just have focused on the Son incident instead.
Unless of course you think the Son incident was also made up?
posted on 30/12/19
Your article however essentially stated that if a black player reports a perceived incident of racism and it transpires that no evidence of racism comes to light then they should be forced to apologise. Even going so far as to say that this is as bad as racism itself, which is ridiculous.
-------
W@nk Python is bat sheet crazy FFS.
Its a wonder he is even allowed to be a member of this site.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Naby one Kenaby - The flop is strong with this one (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
Your article however essentially stated that if a black player reports a perceived incident of racism and it transpires that no evidence of racism comes to light then they should be forced to apologise. Even going so far as to say that this is as bad as racism itself, which is ridiculous.
-------
W@nk Python is bat sheet crazy FFS.
Its a wonder he is even allowed to be a member of this site.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You literally offer nothing to this site. No debating skills, no humour, nothing. Its a wonder you are even allowed to breath
posted on 30/12/19
Manc is your issue specifically with supposed false racist accusations or all false accusations. I dont get your motivation here. Can you give us an idea of your thought process? What is it in this specific case that you have a problem with?
posted on 30/12/19
comment by JohnStreep (U18296)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
Manc is your issue specifically with supposed false racist accusations or all false accusations. I dont get your motivation here. Can you give us an idea of your thought process? What is it in this specific case that you have a problem with?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Python has an IQ of a breadstick, thus way too tricky for him to answer. Go easy on him next time.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by JohnStreep (U18296)
posted 5 hours, 29 minutes ago
Manc is your issue specifically with supposed false racist accusations or all false accusations. I dont get your motivation here. Can you give us an idea of your thought process? What is it in this specific case that you have a problem with?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
All false accusations
posted on 30/12/19
comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by JohnStreep (U18296)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
Manc is your issue specifically with supposed false racist accusations or all false accusations. I dont get your motivation here. Can you give us an idea of your thought process? What is it in this specific case that you have a problem with?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Python has an IQ of a breadstick, thus way too tricky for him to answer. Go easy on him next time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not going to feck you lad. You are an irrelevant little worm
Page 6 of 7
6 | 7