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comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 18 seconds ago
Could have dropped his leg...didn't, & actually extended it...pre mediated

VAR should have seen it as that...failed to act
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Again, that doesn't necessarily constitute violent conduct.

They aren't there to issue yellow cards.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 18 seconds ago
Could have dropped his leg...didn't, & actually extended it...pre mediated

VAR should have seen it as that...failed to act
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Again, that doesn't necessarily constitute violent conduct.

They aren't there to issue yellow cards.
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ref is....failed to act

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 18 seconds ago
Could have dropped his leg...didn't, & actually extended it...pre mediated

VAR should have seen it as that...failed to act
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Again, that doesn't necessarily constitute violent conduct.

They aren't there to issue yellow cards.
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ref is....failed to act
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Eh?

If the referee missed it and VAR saw it as a yellow card offence, then that's why nothing was done.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 18 seconds ago
Could have dropped his leg...didn't, & actually extended it...pre mediated

VAR should have seen it as that...failed to act
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Again, that doesn't necessarily constitute violent conduct.

They aren't there to issue yellow cards.
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ref is....failed to act
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Eh?

If the referee missed it and VAR saw it as a yellow card offence, then that's why nothing was done.
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So on one hand you say they aren't there to issue yellow cards...and then you say they saw it as a yellow

Make your mind up

Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)

Note the word 'if'.

Ultimately we'll never know if VAR saw it as a yellow card offence. We know that they didn't see it as violent conduct.

Trouble is..it goes back to use of monitors again....which it seems the refereeing fraternity are totally against doing...

Not to say the ref wouldn't have come to the same conclusion...we'll never know though

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 55 seconds ago
Trouble is..it goes back to use of monitors again....which it seems the refereeing fraternity are totally against doing...

Not to say the ref wouldn't have come to the same conclusion...we'll never know though
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Indeed.

Reality is that we're no better off now, for cases like this. It's a matter of opinion - whoever makes the final call!

58 comments - not bad for a light hearted joke about last night!

The officiating was really poor. No consistency in relation to other decisions for & against us earlier this season - if Son's kick on Dec 22rd was a red (rightly or wrongly) so was Maguire's, if CHO's "dive" against Burnley wasn't a foul (rightly or wrongly) neither was Fred or Azpl's pushes in the build up to Zouma's goal. A lot of them were up for interpretation but the consistency was non-existent.

The Giroud disallowed goal, while technically correct, is the one gripe I have with VAR as a potentially positive tool. Reversing instances of poor play (e.g. badly executed tackles leading to penalties) & identifying simulation is all great, but when it punishes good play because of technicalities like half a foot being offside it's getting a bit much. There's no way Giroud could've timed his run better nor Mount's cross been any better, it was simply unlucky.

If VAR was 100% consistent I'd chalk it up to an unfortunate side effect of the technology, but in it's current joke format things like that are hard to accept - and ironically it's the one thing it's consistent with lol

"if Son's kick on Dec 22rd was a red (rightly or wrongly) so was Maguire's"

This is nonsense.

Kick out, studs first, from a ground position into the opposition player with no attempt to play the ball. Exactly the same offence. If one's a red so's the other whether there was intent or not (personally don't think there was in either).

Devil D.A. (U6522)

It wasn't exactly the same offence.

When anyone says that, you know they're talking nonsense.

Son properly kicked up - his foot raised quite away. Maguire didn't. His leg straightened but I don't think they're the same at all.

Ultimately it's down to opinion, but to say they're the same and that the punishment for each one has to be the same is simply incorrect.

"Could have dropped his leg...didn't, & actually extended it...pre mediated

VAR should have seen it as that...failed to act"

I said this two days ago...I stand by it...

& whilst it's not exactly the same as Sons...it's pretty damned close

Just because it's premeditated doesn't mean it's necessarily violent conduct.

The point above is that you have to judge each incident on its own merits - no two incidents are the same and it's pointless suggesting that they are.

moot point at best....both reds for me...but I aint the ref

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
moot point at best....both reds for me...but I aint the ref
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Moot point? Just responding to the point above!

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
moot point at best....both reds for me...but I aint the ref
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Moot point? Just responding to the point above!
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so was I...still a moot point for both of us, it's done now aint gonna change

Exactly the same offence as in both should've been ruled as violent conduct, that's my opinion, not both were physically a mirror image incident

It's only Winston, Devil - don't beat yourself up about it!!